History UsefulNotes / NazisWithGnarlyWeapons

28th Aug '16 3:30:46 AM Morgenthaler
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The Waffen SS was a mostly-volunteer organisation with many recruits from across Europe, ranging from Germans to Austrians to White Russians to French to Scandinavians to Muslim Bosniaks and even to Indians. In some ways, a Nazi version of the [[GaulsWithGrenades French Foreign Legion]]. At its height, it consisted of around 1,000,000 total personnel. The reason for this being the fact Heer could not recruit men who were not German citizens for being bound by pre-war military regulations, while the SS was not - they were responsible practically in all matters to Heinrich Himmler and above him to [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler the Führer]] himself. Some notable examples are here:

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The Waffen SS was a mostly-volunteer organisation with many recruits from across Europe, ranging from Germans to Austrians to White Russians to French to Scandinavians to Muslim Bosniaks and even to Indians. In some ways, a Nazi version of the [[GaulsWithGrenades [[UsefulNotes/GaulsWithGrenades French Foreign Legion]]. At its height, it consisted of around 1,000,000 total personnel. The reason for this being the fact Heer could not recruit men who were not German citizens for being bound by pre-war military regulations, while the SS was not - they were responsible practically in all matters to Heinrich Himmler and above him to [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler the Führer]] himself. Some notable examples are here:
10th Jul '16 3:00:32 PM Nautilus1
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All half-tracks designed within Germany used a similar cleverly-designed ''[[GratuitousGerman Schachtellaufwerk]]'' chassis, scaled to their respective size, which proved their undoing: to allow high road speeds, all track links were fitted on needle bearings with individual sealing and lubrication. [[AwesomeButImpractical Hundreds of roller-bearings for each]] [[PrecisionFStrike damn]] vehicle. No wonder they could not make more than a few thousands of each type.

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All half-tracks designed for military purpose within Germany used a similar cleverly-designed ''[[GratuitousGerman Schachtellaufwerk]]'' chassis, scaled to their respective size, which proved their undoing: to allow high road speeds, all track links were fitted on needle bearings with individual sealing and lubrication. [[AwesomeButImpractical Hundreds of roller-bearings for each]] [[PrecisionFStrike damn]] vehicle. No wonder they could not make more than a few thousands of each type.
15th Jun '16 6:17:55 PM Doug86
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The Wehrmacht's officers were somewhere inbetween the leadership and the rank-and-file when it came to support for Nazism, though there was a clear shift towards Nazism over time. Within the ''Wehrmacht'' there was a fairly clear division between the branches in terms of politics; the Luftwaffe was the most Nazi-fied service as it had only been re-created under Hitler's regime; the Army didn't really start to become Nazified until 1938-40 when the conservative Commander-in-Chief was replaced and before then had been largely conservative, especially in its pre-war [[BlueBlood Junker]]-dominated officer corps (and until 1943-44 Wehrmacht soldiers were freer to crack jokes about Hitler than they were at home); and (as anyone who's seen ''Film/DasBoot'' can tell you) the Navy was the least ideological service and ''still'' wasn't Nazi-fied even in 1944-45. The navy in particular is occasionally considered to have been a hotbed of democratic and leftist sentiment (sailors of the High Seas Fleet had started the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319 German Revolution]] at the end of UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne). Hitler himself was known to joke that he had "a conservative army, a Nazi air force, and a communist navy" (another version of the same joke is that Nazi Germany had Frederick the Great's army, Kaiser Wilhelm's navy and Hitler's air force).

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The Wehrmacht's officers were somewhere inbetween the leadership and the rank-and-file when it came to support for Nazism, though there was a clear shift towards Nazism over time. Within the ''Wehrmacht'' there was a fairly clear division between the branches in terms of politics; the Luftwaffe was the most Nazi-fied service as it had only been re-created under Hitler's regime; the Army didn't really start to become Nazified until 1938-40 when the conservative Commander-in-Chief was replaced and before then had been largely conservative, especially in its pre-war [[BlueBlood Junker]]-dominated officer corps (and until 1943-44 Wehrmacht soldiers were freer to crack jokes about Hitler than they were at home); and (as anyone who's seen ''Film/DasBoot'' can tell you) the Navy was the least ideological service and ''still'' wasn't Nazi-fied even in 1944-45. The navy in particular is occasionally considered to have been a hotbed of democratic and leftist sentiment (sailors of the High Seas Fleet had started the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319 German Revolution]] at the end of UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne).UsefulNotes/WorldWarI). Hitler himself was known to joke that he had "a conservative army, a Nazi air force, and a communist navy" (another version of the same joke is that Nazi Germany had Frederick the Great's army, Kaiser Wilhelm's navy and Hitler's air force).



The idea that the Wehrmacht was a professional and a-political institution which bravely opposed the excesses of the Nazi regime was encouraged by the self-serving memoirs of those Wehrmacht generals that escaped execution after the war, who promoted the idea of the "[[http://harvardpress.typepad.com/hup_publicity/2006/07/the_wehrmacht_a.html clean Wehrmacht]]". The Wehrmacht was ''not'' clean. It was less 'dirty' than the SS, but by normal standards it was still incredibly cruel and brutal. This was encouraged by the Wehrmacht's proclamations prior to the execution of ''[[WorldWarTwo Unternehmen Barbarossa]]'' in 1941 (which they made of their own free will) that a Soviet citizen disobeying an order given by Wehrmacht employee was a crime punishable by death and that no Wehrmacht employee would ever be tried for any actions taken against any Soviet citizen. To quote section II.1 of the OKH (Army High Command) ''Barbarossa Decree'' of 13/5/1941: "[[http://users.clas.ufl.edu/ggiles/barbaros.html For acts which members of the Wehrmacht or its retinue commit against enemy civilians, there is no compulsion to prosecute, even when the act represents at the same time a military crime or offense.]]"

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The idea that the Wehrmacht was a professional and a-political institution which bravely opposed the excesses of the Nazi regime was encouraged by the self-serving memoirs of those Wehrmacht generals that escaped execution after the war, who promoted the idea of the "[[http://harvardpress.typepad.com/hup_publicity/2006/07/the_wehrmacht_a.html clean Wehrmacht]]". The Wehrmacht was ''not'' clean. It was less 'dirty' than the SS, but by normal standards it was still incredibly cruel and brutal. This was encouraged by the Wehrmacht's proclamations prior to the execution of ''[[WorldWarTwo ''[[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Unternehmen Barbarossa]]'' in 1941 (which they made of their own free will) that a Soviet citizen disobeying an order given by Wehrmacht employee was a crime punishable by death and that no Wehrmacht employee would ever be tried for any actions taken against any Soviet citizen. To quote section II.1 of the OKH (Army High Command) ''Barbarossa Decree'' of 13/5/1941: "[[http://users.clas.ufl.edu/ggiles/barbaros.html For acts which members of the Wehrmacht or its retinue commit against enemy civilians, there is no compulsion to prosecute, even when the act represents at the same time a military crime or offense.]]"



The iconic pistol associated with Nazis is the Pistole 08, universally known as the "Luger", and also as ''Parabellum''. The pistol was actually used in UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne, but was gradually being replaced by the Walther P38 after 1938. The pistol just [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Parabellum_1586.jpg looks evil]] ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Walter_HP_Speerwerke_1428.jpg so does the P38]], just that it's [[OurWeaponsWillBeBoxyInTheFuture slightly boxier]]) and enough were [[{{Plunder}} collected as trophies]] by Allied soldiers to ensure continued currency. As with the K98 example above, however, despite its refinements in mass production technology there were simply not enough P38s to go around that the Luger could be removed from service (even had any of the servicemen who were lucky enough to have one been inclined to do so), so the two sidearms soldiered along side by side for the duration of the war. The P38 is also associated with another evil figure in modern culture, [[TheTransformers Megatron]]. Another iconic pistol is the Walther PPK; the gun that Film/JamesBond uses is also the one that Hitler used to kill himself.

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The iconic pistol associated with Nazis is the Pistole 08, universally known as the "Luger", and also as ''Parabellum''. The pistol was actually used in UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, but was gradually being replaced by the Walther P38 after 1938. The pistol just [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Parabellum_1586.jpg looks evil]] ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Walter_HP_Speerwerke_1428.jpg so does the P38]], just that it's [[OurWeaponsWillBeBoxyInTheFuture slightly boxier]]) and enough were [[{{Plunder}} collected as trophies]] by Allied soldiers to ensure continued currency. As with the K98 example above, however, despite its refinements in mass production technology there were simply not enough P38s to go around that the Luger could be removed from service (even had any of the servicemen who were lucky enough to have one been inclined to do so), so the two sidearms soldiered along side by side for the duration of the war. The P38 is also associated with another evil figure in modern culture, [[TheTransformers Megatron]]. Another iconic pistol is the Walther PPK; the gun that Film/JamesBond uses is also the one that Hitler used to kill himself.



[[ThoseWackyNazis Where do]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo we start?]]

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[[ThoseWackyNazis Where do]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII we start?]]
30th May '16 1:25:02 PM Ulkomaalainen
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UsefulNotes/NaziGermany fielded soldiers from a number of armed organisations for conventional warfare, anticipatory-retaliatory anti-partisan warfare, and prejudicial counter-intelligence operations. These were subordinated to two major organisations, the ''SS'' (''Schutzstaffel'' - lit. 'protection quadron') and the Wehrmacht (Military). The ''SS'' was created from the merger of paramilitary groups associated with the Nazi Party with Germany's major police forces upon their seizure of power in 1933, and was originally focused on unconventional enemies. The ''Wehrmacht'' was created from the ''Reichswehr'', the military of the German Republic (1918-1933), in 1935 and had an initial focus on conventional enemies.

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UsefulNotes/NaziGermany fielded soldiers from a number of armed organisations for conventional warfare, anticipatory-retaliatory anti-partisan warfare, and prejudicial counter-intelligence operations. These were subordinated to two major organisations, the ''SS'' (''Schutzstaffel'' - lit. 'protection quadron') squadron') and the Wehrmacht (Military). The ''SS'' was created from the merger of paramilitary groups associated with the Nazi Party with Germany's major police forces upon their seizure of power in 1933, and was originally focused on unconventional enemies. The ''Wehrmacht'' was created from the ''Reichswehr'', the military of the German Republic (1918-1933), in 1935 and had an initial focus on conventional enemies.
23rd May '16 12:48:10 AM Nautilus1
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All half-tracks designed within Germany used a similar cleverly-designed ''[[GratuitousGerman Schachtellaufwerk]]'' chassis, scaled to their respective size, which proved their undoing: to allow high road speeds, all track links were fitted on needle bearings with individual sealing and lubrication. [[AwesomeButImpractical Hundreds of roller-bearings for each]] [[PrecisionFStrike damn]] vehicle. No wonder they could not make more than a few thousands of each type.
5th May '16 7:19:57 PM MAI742
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UsefulNotes/NaziGermany fielded soldiers from a number of armed organisations for conventional warfare, anticipatory-retaliatory anti-partisan warfare, and prejudicial counter-intelligence operations. These were subordinated to two major organisations, the SS (Schutzstaffel - Protection Squadron) and the Wehrmacht (Military). The Schutzstaffe was created from the merger of paramilitary groups associated with the Nazi Party with Germany's major police forces upon their seizure of power in 1933, and was originally focused on unconventional enemies. The ''Wehrmacht'' was created from the ''Reichswehr'', the military of the German Republic (1918-1933), in 1935 and had an initial focus on conventional enemies.

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UsefulNotes/NaziGermany fielded soldiers from a number of armed organisations for conventional warfare, anticipatory-retaliatory anti-partisan warfare, and prejudicial counter-intelligence operations. These were subordinated to two major organisations, the SS (Schutzstaffel ''SS'' (''Schutzstaffel'' - Protection Squadron) lit. 'protection quadron') and the Wehrmacht (Military). The Schutzstaffe ''SS'' was created from the merger of paramilitary groups associated with the Nazi Party with Germany's major police forces upon their seizure of power in 1933, and was originally focused on unconventional enemies. The ''Wehrmacht'' was created from the ''Reichswehr'', the military of the German Republic (1918-1933), in 1935 and had an initial focus on conventional enemies.


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->''"When you look at the promotion of our younger officers, the penetration of our National Socialist ''Volksgemeinschaft'' [national community/body politic] has already begun here in its full extent [...] Out of this war will emerge a ''Volksgemeinschaft'' established through blood, much stronger even than we National Socialists through our faith could convey to the nation after the World War."''
-->-- "'''Speech of 30/9/1942'''", Adolf Hitler, translated by Stephen G. Fritz
5th May '16 5:33:08 PM Faberlich
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UsefulNotes/NaziGermany fielded soldiers from a number of armed organisations for conventional warfare, anticipatory-retaliatory anti-partisan warfare, and prejudicial counter-intelligence operations. These were subordinated to two major organisations, the SS (''Schutzstaffel'' - Protection Squadron) and the ''Wehrmacht'' (Military). The ''Schutzstaffel'' was created from the merger of paramilitary groups associated with the Nazi Party with Germany's major police forces upon their seizure of power in 1933, and was originally focused on unconventional enemies. The ''Wehrmacht'' was created from the ''Reichswehr'', the military of the German Republic (1918-1933), in 1935 and had an initial focus on conventional enemies.

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UsefulNotes/NaziGermany fielded soldiers from a number of armed organisations for conventional warfare, anticipatory-retaliatory anti-partisan warfare, and prejudicial counter-intelligence operations. These were subordinated to two major organisations, the SS (''Schutzstaffel'' (Schutzstaffel - Protection Squadron) and the ''Wehrmacht'' Wehrmacht (Military). The ''Schutzstaffel'' Schutzstaffe was created from the merger of paramilitary groups associated with the Nazi Party with Germany's major police forces upon their seizure of power in 1933, and was originally focused on unconventional enemies. The ''Wehrmacht'' was created from the ''Reichswehr'', the military of the German Republic (1918-1933), in 1935 and had an initial focus on conventional enemies.
5th May '16 5:24:16 PM Faberlich
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UsefulNotes/NaziGermany fielded soldiers from a number of armed organisations for conventional warfare, anticipatory-retaliatory anti-partisan warfare, and prejudicial counter-intelligence operations. These were subordinated to two major organisations, the ''Schutzstaffel'' (Protection Squadron) and the ''Wehrmacht'' (Military). The ''Schutzstaffel'' was created from the merger of paramilitary groups associated with the Nazi Party with Germany's major police forces upon their seizure of power in 1933, and was originally focused on unconventional enemies. The ''Wehrmacht'' was created from the ''Reichswehr'', the military of the German Republic (1918-1933), in 1935 and had an initial focus on conventional enemies.

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UsefulNotes/NaziGermany fielded soldiers from a number of armed organisations for conventional warfare, anticipatory-retaliatory anti-partisan warfare, and prejudicial counter-intelligence operations. These were subordinated to two major organisations, the ''Schutzstaffel'' (Protection SS (''Schutzstaffel'' - Protection Squadron) and the ''Wehrmacht'' (Military). The ''Schutzstaffel'' was created from the merger of paramilitary groups associated with the Nazi Party with Germany's major police forces upon their seizure of power in 1933, and was originally focused on unconventional enemies. The ''Wehrmacht'' was created from the ''Reichswehr'', the military of the German Republic (1918-1933), in 1935 and had an initial focus on conventional enemies.
30th Mar '16 5:29:16 PM MAI742
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Germany employed the first large scale airborne operations during their invasion of Norway. However, a massive loss at Crete convinced Hitler that airborne operations would no longer be feasible. Of almost 20,000 ''Fallschirmjäger'' which were deployed, some 5,000 were lost as killed in action and 6,000 as wounded or injured. Hitler considered the Cretan victory as a Pyrrhic victory and forbade further parachute operations, to much dismay of Göring and Kurt Student. Ironically, the Allies were so impressed by the Fallshirmjäger's performance at Crete that they started building up their own airborne divisions (which would play a critical role at Normandy). For the rest of the war, they were pretty much used alongside regular infantry forces. Luckily, they did get a pretty nice CrowningMomentOfAwesome in 1943: the rescue of Mussolini without the loss of a single life. The guys were so elite, they had their own [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallschirmj%C3%A4ger_(World_War_II)#The_Parachutist.27s_.22Ten_Commandments.22 Ten Commandments]] for combat.

The Fallschirmjäger fought as elite units on foot from 1941 onwards, and carried out only small-scale jumps. Their finest hour was the defence of Monte Cassino 1943 in Italy where they fought so tenaciously they earned the nickname ''Green Devils'' by the Allies. They were along the Waffen-SS units the nemesis of the Western allies in France 1944. Their last battle was the defence of Ardennes during the Battle of Bulge 1944-1945, where they also made their last combat jump.

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Germany employed the first large scale airborne operations during their invasion of Norway. However, a massive loss at Crete convinced Hitler that airborne operations would no longer be feasible. Of almost 20,000 ''Fallschirmjäger'' which were deployed, some 5,000 were lost as killed in action and 6,000 as wounded or injured. Hitler considered the Cretan victory as a Pyrrhic victory and forbade further parachute operations, to much dismay of Göring and Kurt Student. Ironically, the western Allies were so impressed by the Fallshirmjäger's performance at Crete that they started building up their own airborne divisions (which would play a critical role at Normandy).played important roles in ''Overlord'' and ''Market Garden''). For the rest of the war, they were pretty much used alongside regular infantry forces. Luckily, they did get a pretty nice CrowningMomentOfAwesome in 1943: the rescue of Mussolini without the loss of a single life. The guys were so elite, they had their own [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallschirmj%C3%A4ger_(World_War_II)#The_Parachutist.27s_.22Ten_Commandments.22 Ten Commandments]] for combat.

The Fallschirmjäger fought as elite units on foot from 1941 onwards, and carried out only small-scale jumps. Their finest hour against the Western Allies was the defence of Monte Cassino 1943 in Italy Italy, where they fought so tenaciously they earned the nickname ''Green Devils'' by the Allies. They were along the Devils''. Because Luftwaffe and Waffen-SS units received first priority on new troops and reinforcements, their units became progressively more effective than ''Heer'' ones. Consequently, by the nemesis time of the Western allies 1944 Allied invasion of and offensives in France 1944. Their their main nemeses there were Waffen-SS panzer and Fallschirmjäger infantry troops. The Fallschirmjägers' last battle combat jump was during the December 1944 ''Wahcht am Rhein'' offensive in France, and their last combat action was the defence of Ardennes during the Battle Seelöw heights (immediately to the east of Bulge 1944-1945, where they also made their last combat jump.
Berlin) from Georgy Zhukov's 1st Belorussian Front in April 1945.
30th Mar '16 12:37:40 PM morane
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The iconic pistol associated with Nazis is the Pistole 08, universally known as the "Luger". The pistol was actually used in UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne, but was gradually being replaced by the Walther P38 after 1938. The pistol just [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Parabellum_1586.jpg looks evil]] ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Walter_HP_Speerwerke_1428.jpg so does the P38]], just that it's [[OurWeaponsWillBeBoxyInTheFuture slightly boxier]]) and enough were [[{{Plunder}} collected as trophies]] by Allied soldiers to ensure continued currency. As with the K98 example above, however, despite its refinements in mass production technology there were simply not enough P38s to go around that the Luger could be removed from service (even had any of the servicemen who were lucky enough to have one been inclined to do so), so the two sidearms soldiered along side by side for the duration of the war. The P38 is also associated with another evil figure in modern culture, [[TheTransformers Megatron]]. Another iconic pistol is the Walther PPK; the gun that Film/JamesBond uses is also the one that Hitler used to kill himself.

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The iconic pistol associated with Nazis is the Pistole 08, universally known as the "Luger"."Luger", and also as ''Parabellum''. The pistol was actually used in UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne, but was gradually being replaced by the Walther P38 after 1938. The pistol just [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Parabellum_1586.jpg looks evil]] ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Walter_HP_Speerwerke_1428.jpg so does the P38]], just that it's [[OurWeaponsWillBeBoxyInTheFuture slightly boxier]]) and enough were [[{{Plunder}} collected as trophies]] by Allied soldiers to ensure continued currency. As with the K98 example above, however, despite its refinements in mass production technology there were simply not enough P38s to go around that the Luger could be removed from service (even had any of the servicemen who were lucky enough to have one been inclined to do so), so the two sidearms soldiered along side by side for the duration of the war. The P38 is also associated with another evil figure in modern culture, [[TheTransformers Megatron]]. Another iconic pistol is the Walther PPK; the gun that Film/JamesBond uses is also the one that Hitler used to kill himself.
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