History UsefulNotes / Indonesia

22nd May '18 6:15:57 AM costanton11
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* MortonsFork: Suharto's rise can be seen as this. After [=G30SPKI=] and Sukarno's increasing megalomania, Indonesia was pretty much in thin ice that their alternatives were either to be destroyed via anarchy and Sukarno's alienating actions from the world, or submit to Suharto's very well-planned [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good publicity government]] that would at least still stabilize Indonesia for a period of time. Naturally Suharto was the one chosen. Then again, [[MagnificentBastard maybe that was his plan all along.]]

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* MortonsFork: Suharto's rise can be seen as this. After [=G30SPKI=] and Sukarno's increasing megalomania, Indonesia was pretty much in thin ice that their alternatives were either to be destroyed via anarchy and Sukarno's alienating actions from the world, or submit to Suharto's very well-planned [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good publicity government]] that would at least still stabilize Indonesia for a period of time. Naturally Suharto was the one chosen. Then again, [[MagnificentBastard maybe that was his plan all along.]]
20th May '18 10:15:34 PM ChrisX
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* UngratefulBastard: Appear in a lot folklore, but you can bet almost anyone in Indonesia to know about the story of Malin Kundang (usually taught in elementary school as part of Bahasa Indonesia class about folklore). Long story short, Malin's a very poor boy whose father died on a journey to improve the family condition and his mother had to raise him alone in poverty, and when he reached teenage age/adulthood, Malin decided to follow his father's footsteps by doing the aforementioned "merantau" (he's commonly depicted as being born in Minangkabau), not dying, and he went on to become a very successful and rich merchant, with a most beautiful wife to boot. Then when he ended up returning home, his mom came to see him, but Malin shoved her off and said he didn't recognize her as his mom, out of shame of his crews, wife and new fame. Mom was so stricken with grief she let out a curse that on Malin's journey to his new home, he, along with his wife and crews, got shipwrecked and then [[TakenForGranite turned into stone.]] Moral of the story: Don't be ungrateful to your parents, ''especially your mom''.

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* UngratefulBastard: Appear in a lot folklore, but you can bet almost anyone in Indonesia to know about the story of Malin Kundang (usually taught in elementary school as part of Bahasa Indonesia class about folklore). Long story short, Malin's a very poor boy whose father died on a journey to improve the family condition and his mother had to raise him alone in poverty, and when he reached teenage age/adulthood, Malin decided to follow his father's footsteps by doing the aforementioned "merantau" (he's commonly depicted as being born in Minangkabau), not dying, and he went on to become a very successful and rich merchant, with a most beautiful wife to boot. Then when he ended up returning home, his mom came to see him, but Malin shoved her off and said he didn't recognize her as his mom, out of shame of his crews, wife and new fame. Mom was so stricken with grief she let out a curse that on Malin's journey to his new home, he, along with his wife and crews, got shipwrecked and then [[TakenForGranite turned into stone.]] Moral of the story: Don't be ungrateful to your parents, ''especially your mom''. Afterwards, Malin Kundang has become pretty synonymous to children who are unreasonably ungrateful to their parents in Indonesia.
20th May '18 10:10:30 PM ChrisX
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* MortonsFork: Suharto's rise can be seen as this. After [=G30SPKI=] and Sukarno's increasing megalomania, Indonesia is pretty much in thin ice that their alternatives are either to be destroyed via anarchy and Sukarno's alienating actions from the world, or eventually submit to Suharto's very well-planned [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good publicity]] that would at least still stabilize Indonesia for a period of time. Naturally Suharto is the one chosen. Then again, [[MagnificentBastard maybe that was his plan all along.]]

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* MortonsFork: Suharto's rise can be seen as this. After [=G30SPKI=] and Sukarno's increasing megalomania, Indonesia is was pretty much in thin ice that their alternatives are were either to be destroyed via anarchy and Sukarno's alienating actions from the world, or eventually submit to Suharto's very well-planned [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good publicity]] publicity government]] that would at least still stabilize Indonesia for a period of time. Naturally Suharto is was the one chosen. Then again, [[MagnificentBastard maybe that was his plan all along.]]
20th May '18 10:09:36 PM ChrisX
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* MortonsFork: Suharto's rise can be seen as this. After [=G30SPKI=] and Sukarno's increasing megalomania, Indonesia is pretty much in thin ice that their alternatives are either to be destroyed via anarchy and Sukarno's alienating actions from the world, or eventually submit to Suharto's very well-planned [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good publicity]] that would at least still stabilize Indonesia for a period of time. Naturally Suharto is the one chosen. Then again, [[MagnificentBastard maybe that was his plan all along.]]
20th May '18 10:03:05 PM ChrisX
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->The flag is very similar to that of UsefulNotes/{{Monaco}}, except it is longer[[labelnote:details]]Indonesia's flag's height to width ratio is 2 to 3, while Monaco's flag's is 4 to 5[[/labelnote]]. Red and white are the colors of the Majapahit Empire, and symbolize body and spirit, respectively, the components of a human being. Or alternatively, Red symbolizes "Bravery" (Berani), while White symbolizes "Purity" (Suci).

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->The flag is very similar to that of UsefulNotes/{{Monaco}}, except it is longer[[labelnote:details]]Indonesia's flag's height to width ratio is 2 to 3, while Monaco's flag's is 4 to 5[[/labelnote]]. Red and white are the colors of the Majapahit Empire, and symbolize body and spirit, respectively, the components of a human being. Or alternatively, Red symbolizes "Bravery" (Berani), while White symbolizes "Purity" (Suci). Just don't turn it around and say it's Indonesia. [[BerserkButton Malaysia learned it the hard way.]]
20th May '18 9:59:34 PM ChrisX
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* EndOfAnAge: Trisakti Incident is definitely this for Orde Baru, because after this, Indonesia's development began to receive a pretty significant change.
19th May '18 8:34:48 AM costanton11
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The Singhasari Kingdom was founded by the ambitious and cunning Ken Arok, ex-bodyguard of Tunggul Ametung of Tumapel, all because he wanted his wife, Ken Dedes, rumored to give birth to great kings. Through trickery and {{Magnificent Bastard}}ry, he killed Ametung with an enchanted kris knife (and Dedes approved because Ametung married her by force and kidnapping), changed Ametung's kingdom from Tumapel to Singhasari, and started his conquest of neighboring kingdoms. Sadly, his life was cut short due to the kris knife he used to kill Ametung being cursed by its creator Mpu Gandring to invoke a CycleOfRevenge, as Arok killed him out of impatience before he could bless it to protect it from evil spirits. The kris knife was used by Ametung's son Anusapati (already in Dedes' womb when Arok killed Ametung) to kill Arok. In return, Arok's son Panji Tohjaya later killed Anusapati with the same knife and then took over the throne. Anusapati's son and Ken Arok's grandchild, Ranggawuni and Mahisa Campaka, eventually rebelled and took down Tohjaya, and then ensured that the curse of Mpu Gandring ended that day, by having no more killing done with the kris knife.

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The Singhasari Kingdom was founded by the ambitious and cunning Ken Arok, ex-bodyguard of Tunggul Ametung of Tumapel, all because he wanted his wife, Ken Dedes, rumored to give birth to great kings. Through trickery and {{Magnificent Bastard}}ry, trickery, he killed Ametung with an enchanted kris knife (and Dedes approved because Ametung married her by force and kidnapping), changed Ametung's kingdom from Tumapel to Singhasari, and started his conquest of neighboring kingdoms. Sadly, his life was cut short due to the kris knife he used to kill Ametung being cursed by its creator Mpu Gandring to invoke a CycleOfRevenge, as Arok killed him out of impatience before he could bless it to protect it from evil spirits. The kris knife was used by Ametung's son Anusapati (already in Dedes' womb when Arok killed Ametung) to kill Arok. In return, Arok's son Panji Tohjaya later killed Anusapati with the same knife and then took over the throne. Anusapati's son and Ken Arok's grandchild, Ranggawuni and Mahisa Campaka, eventually rebelled and took down Tohjaya, and then ensured that the curse of Mpu Gandring ended that day, by having no more killing done with the kris knife.
19th May '18 8:13:37 AM costanton11
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* MagnificentBastard:
** It's hard to imagine a better description for Suharto. He started out as an obscure officer, and in a matter of years, the country was his. He sired three decades of astonishing economic success and brought stability to a formerly ungovernable country, killing around 1 million people along the way and stealing tens of billions of dollars. In the same way that some Russians miss the USSR, a number of Indonesians remember "Pak Harto" fondly, despite his... excesses.
*** Many image macros and window stickers invoke YeGoodeOldeDays, featuring Suharto smiling with the Javanese caption "''Piye kabare? Penak jamanku to?''" ("How are you doing? Do you miss my era?").
*** An old clip went viral around 2016 of Suharto looking AffablyEvil in which he, grinning widely, asked a kid "Why do you ask that?" repeatedly when the latter asked when he will step down as president.
** Sukarno had his moments. In order to prevent the US from helping the Netherlands (a US ally) retake some newly liberated areas, he went to the country...to tell the then president that he's got the Russians on his side, and that the Indonesian Air Force had acquired the most advanced aircrafts at the time. Given that the piece of land the Dutch wanted was economically insignificant and it's mostly about bruised egos, the US backed down from the coming engagement.
** This ran way back to Singasari. Ken Arok was just a lowly servant of Tunggul Ametung, and the latter had super powers, but Ken Arok wanted to bang his wife Ken Dedes. Ken Arok went to get an enchanted kris knife forged by Mpu Gandring, then lent it to his less intelligent friend Kebo Ijo who'd then brag about the possession of the enchanted knife... Then steal the knife from Kebo Ijo while he's sleeping to kill Tunggul Ametung, then pinned the blame on Kebo Ijo (and while he's at it, killed Kebo Ijo too under the pretense of avenging his Lord). And so Ken Arok got his women of his dreams and a Kingdom to boot.
** Of course, this list would be incomplete without the mention of Gajah Mada. While he is remembered as something of the Indonesian Creator/ChuckNorris it is easy to forget that most of his accomplishments came from his politics rather than any physical power he had. That's especially true when those accomplishments include creating the strongest empire in Southeast Asia.
** Inbetween them, Raden Wijaya deserves a mention as well. Not a lot can screw off and give the middle finger to the Mongols while in the same time reclaiming his kingdom, and ''get away with it''.



* Suhadi Sadono anybody? ''VideoGame/SplinterCellPandoraTomorrow''? Yes, he's the MagnificentBastard who literally takes all of America hostage with hidden smallpox and crypts to force the US to retreat from East Timor. [[spoiler: He is eventually revealed to be backed by a rogue CIA agent.]]

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* Suhadi Sadono anybody? ''VideoGame/SplinterCellPandoraTomorrow''? Yes, he's the MagnificentBastard one who literally takes all of America hostage with hidden smallpox and crypts to force the US to retreat from East Timor. [[spoiler: He is eventually revealed to be backed by a rogue CIA agent.]]
17th May '18 8:03:33 PM ChrisX
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** Because of the above, whenever you drive a vehicle, sometimes you will find people just standing up in the road and guiding cars on when to cross or make a U-turn. They may request small tip for services (in as much as you give to beggars), but [[BoringButPractical in times when there's a big traffic jam, they can be vital to make sure your vehicle doesn't bump into others]], so giving them money, while optional, is often considered being grateful, and if their services gets you through really hard situation, giving more money than usual is often considered much more grateful. Indonesians call these guys 'Pak Ogah', literally translated 'Mr. Reluctant', but actually based on the same-named character from a traditional puppet TV show "Si Unyil", who's a LazyBum, since while actually useful in roads at times, in other times it could also add up to the traffic jam problems, or [[NoRespectGuy being considered a job for rather lazy people.]]

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** Because of the above, whenever you drive a vehicle, sometimes you will find people just standing up in the road and guiding cars on when to cross or make a U-turn. They may request small tip for services (in as much as you give to beggars), but [[BoringButPractical in times when there's a big traffic jam, they can be vital to make sure your vehicle doesn't bump into others]], so giving them money, while optional, is often considered being grateful, and if their services gets you through really hard situation, giving more money than usual is often considered much more grateful. Indonesians call these guys 'Pak Ogah', literally translated 'Mr. Reluctant', but actually based on the same-named character from a traditional puppet TV show "Si Unyil", who's a LazyBum, since while actually useful in roads at times, in other times it could also add up to the traffic jam problems, or [[NoRespectGuy being considered a job for rather lazy people.]]]] Then again, considering Indonesia's turbulent economic situation...
17th May '18 8:02:44 PM ChrisX
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* Jakarta is also notorious as one of the most crowded, vehicle-infested cities out there, with some calling it 'the city with worst traffic jam in the world'. [[SincerityMode We're not kidding.]] Other cities may have bad traffic jams, but Jakarta is often considered the most concentrated place of traffic jams.
** Because of the above, whenever you drive a vehicle, sometimes you will find people just standing up in the road and guiding cars on when to cross or make a U-turn. They may request small tip for services (in as much as you give to beggars), but [[BoringButPractical in times when there's a big traffic jam, they can be vital to make sure your vehicle doesn't bump into others]], so giving them money, while optional, is often considered being grateful, and if their services gets you through really hard situation, giving more money than usual is often considered much more grateful. Indonesians call these guys 'Pak Ogah', literally translated 'Mr. Reluctant', but actually based on the same-named character from a traditional puppet TV show "Si Unyil", who's a LazyBum, since while actually useful in roads at times, in other times it could also add up to the traffic jam problems, or [[NoRespectGuy being considered a job for rather lazy people.]]
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