History UsefulNotes / ImperialGermany

16th May '17 9:31:26 AM nombretomado
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Imperial Germany was a constitutional monarchy with an elected parliament, the ''Reichstag,'' and while in the United Kingdom around 50% of men failed to meet qualifications to vote, Imperial Germany had universal suffrage (though still only for men). Furthermore, Bismarck introduced an advanced welfare system for the sick, the old, and the infirm. And yet while it was technically governed by rule of law, its constitution was weak, and a great deal of influence was in the hands of generals, landowners, and industrialists. While parliament had the power to pass bills, all laws had to be approved by the Chancellor, who was not elected but personally appointed by the Emperor, and was responsible only to him. Thus the true power lay not with the people, but the Kaiser. Although not a full-on autocracy like pre-1906 TsaristRussia, none of this added up to democracy.

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Imperial Germany was a constitutional monarchy with an elected parliament, the ''Reichstag,'' and while in the United Kingdom around 50% of men failed to meet qualifications to vote, Imperial Germany had universal suffrage (though still only for men). Furthermore, Bismarck introduced an advanced welfare system for the sick, the old, and the infirm. And yet while it was technically governed by rule of law, its constitution was weak, and a great deal of influence was in the hands of generals, landowners, and industrialists. While parliament had the power to pass bills, all laws had to be approved by the Chancellor, who was not elected but personally appointed by the Emperor, and was responsible only to him. Thus the true power lay not with the people, but the Kaiser. Although not a full-on autocracy like pre-1906 TsaristRussia, UsefulNotes/TsaristRussia, none of this added up to democracy.
30th Mar '17 8:35:28 PM ElSquibbonator
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* StartOfDarkness: World War One, for the German nation.

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* StartOfDarkness: World War One, for the German nation. Gave them a reputation they wouldn't shave off for a ''very'' long time.




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* In ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner'' the King of Town's "Old Timey" counterpart is "The Kaiser", who looks like a stereotypical World War I-era German caricature, complete with a Pickelhaube. He lives in Hell, where he rules over "the Demon" (aka the Old-Timey version of The Poopsmith).



** Kaiser Wilhelm II appeared as a zombie in a "Treehouse of Horror" episode, working with several Old West zombie outlaws to terrorize Springfield. He was even called [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler the scariest German who ever lived]].

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** Kaiser Wilhelm II appeared as a zombie in a "Treehouse of Horror" episode, working with several Old West zombie outlaws to terrorize Springfield. He was even called [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler the scariest German who ever lived]]. [[DontExplainTheJoke The joke, of course, being that Hitler (whom most people would pick for that title) was technically Austrian.]]
30th Mar '17 2:48:51 PM m.crumpet
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* D.H.Lawrence's 1914 short story "The Prussian Officer" concerns an aide to a German army captain who is routinely physically and mentally abused by his superior officer. The officer privately both regards his aide with pseudo-sexual desire, at the same time as being consumed with an obsession with forcing him to conform to a hyper-rigid ideal military discipline, until the aide eventually snaps, murders him, wanders into a nearby forest and dies of thirst and exhaustion from being dehydrated and over-marched.

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* D.H.Lawrence's 1914 short story "The Prussian Officer" concerns an aide to a German army captain who is routinely physically and mentally abused by his superior officer. The officer privately both regards his aide with pseudo-sexual desire, at the same time as being consumed with an obsession with forcing him to conform to a hyper-rigid ideal military discipline, until the aide eventually snaps, murders him, wanders into a nearby forest and dies of thirst and exhaustion from being dehydrated and over-marched. \n (As a story written by an Englishman on the eve of the First World War, its view of the German military and by extension of Prussian militarization of German society at large is..less than kind, but not entirely unrealistic given the German army's reputation at the time for rather draconian punishments for enlisted men.)
30th Mar '17 2:44:38 PM m.crumpet
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* Despite being set in a fantasy World War Two, the PuttingOnTheReich Germanian Empire from Izetta:TheLastWitch invites some comparison to Imperial Germany by virtue of being a monarchy rather than a one-party dictatorship.

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* Despite being set in a fantasy World War Two, the PuttingOnTheReich Germanian Empire from Izetta:TheLastWitch IzettaTheLastWitch invites some comparison to Imperial Germany by virtue of being a monarchy rather than a one-party dictatorship.
30th Mar '17 2:43:51 PM m.crumpet
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* The anime version of YoujoSenki sets the story in a rather obvious FantasyCounterpartCulture to the Kaiserreich during a parallel-universe version of World War One (as opposed to the manga which was more obviously inspired by World War Two) complete with largely period-accurate uniforms and weapons.
*Despite being set in a fantasy World War Two, the PuttingOnTheReich Germanian Empire from Izetta:TheLastWitch invites some comparison to Imperial Germany by virtue of being a monarchy rather than a one-party dictatorship.
30th Mar '17 2:36:34 PM m.crumpet
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* D.H.Lawrence's 1914 short story "The Prussian Officer" concerns an aide to a German army captain who is routinely physically and mentally abused by his superior officer. The officer privately both regards his aide with pseudo-sexual desire, at the same time as being consumed with an obsession with forcing him to conform to a hyper-rigid ideal military discipline, until the aide eventually snaps, murders him, wanders into a nearby forest and dies of thirst and exhaustion from being dehydrated and over-marched.
11th Mar '17 3:26:24 PM AllenbysEyes88
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be repressive and violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes, with a death toll measuring in the thousands rather than millions. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of the issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude made Germany easy to caricature.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be repressive and violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes, with a death toll measuring in or even the thousands rather than millions.concurrent actions of Austria in Serbia or the Turks against Armenians. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of the issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude made Germany easy to caricature.
1st Mar '17 1:13:59 PM AllenbysEyes88
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* The British historical miniseries ''Series/FallOfEagles'' deals to a great extent with Imperial Germany's rise and fall.

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* The British historical miniseries ''Series/FallOfEagles'' deals to a great extent with Imperial Germany's rise and fall. Barry Foster plays Kaiser Wilhelm.
1st Mar '17 12:55:35 PM AllenbysEyes88
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** While many people rightly say that Imperial Germany fell short of Nazi Germany in scale of war crimes and means to implement them, as well as pointing out that German responsibility for starting the war was exaggerated, this has sometimes led many people to go further and significantly downplay some of Imperial Germany's crimes and, likewise significantly undersell their responsibility in unleashing the First World War which German historians such as Fritz Fischer and Hans Mommsen now conclude is mostly the fault of Imperial Germany's internal and external policies. While it was absurd of the Allied Powers to declare Imperial Germany "''solely'' responsible" for the war, they were certainly ''involved'' in its expansion from a regional dispute into a world war. Likewise a lot of the policies and goals of Nazi Germany's Ostfront goals were similar to Imperial Germany's policies, and more importantly they did implement policies of genocide against the Herero in Sudwestafrika, including use of concentration camps and death by starvation, measures similar to UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust.

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** While many people rightly say that Imperial Germany fell short of Nazi Germany in scale of war crimes and means to implement them, as well as pointing out that German responsibility for starting the war was exaggerated, this has sometimes led many people to go further and significantly downplay some of Imperial Germany's crimes and, likewise significantly undersell their responsibility in unleashing the First World War which German historians such as Fritz Fischer and Hans Mommsen now conclude is mostly the fault of Imperial Germany's internal and external policies. While it was absurd of the Allied Powers to declare Imperial Germany "''solely'' responsible" for the war, they were certainly ''involved'' in its expansion from a regional dispute into a world war. Likewise a lot of the policies and goals of Nazi Germany's Ostfront goals were [[OlderThanTheyThink similar in intent (if not methods) to Imperial Germany's policies, and more importantly they policies]]. The Germans did implement policies of genocide against the Herero in Sudwestafrika, including use of concentration camps and death by starvation, measures similar to which prefigured the UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust.
1st Mar '17 12:51:50 PM AllenbysEyes88
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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Whether Imperial Germany receives this or HistoricalVillainUpgrade, especially in regards to their actions in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, ''very'' much [[DependingOnTheWriter depends on the writer]]. Use RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment when assessing this.

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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Whether Imperial Germany receives this or HistoricalVillainUpgrade, especially in regards to their actions in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, ''very'' much [[DependingOnTheWriter depends on the writer]]. Use RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment when assessing this.this issue.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be repressive and violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes three decades later, with a death toll measuring in the thousands rather than millions. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of said issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude made them easy to caricature.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be repressive and violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes three decades later, crimes, with a death toll measuring in the thousands rather than millions. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of said the issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude made them Germany easy to caricature.
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