History UsefulNotes / ImperialGermany

11th Mar '17 3:26:24 PM AllenbysEyes88
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be repressive and violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes, with a death toll measuring in the thousands rather than millions. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of the issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude made Germany easy to caricature.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be repressive and violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes, with a death toll measuring in or even the thousands rather than millions.concurrent actions of Austria in Serbia or the Turks against Armenians. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of the issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude made Germany easy to caricature.
1st Mar '17 1:13:59 PM AllenbysEyes88
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* The British historical miniseries ''Series/FallOfEagles'' deals to a great extent with Imperial Germany's rise and fall.

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* The British historical miniseries ''Series/FallOfEagles'' deals to a great extent with Imperial Germany's rise and fall. Barry Foster plays Kaiser Wilhelm.
1st Mar '17 12:55:35 PM AllenbysEyes88
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** While many people rightly say that Imperial Germany fell short of Nazi Germany in scale of war crimes and means to implement them, as well as pointing out that German responsibility for starting the war was exaggerated, this has sometimes led many people to go further and significantly downplay some of Imperial Germany's crimes and, likewise significantly undersell their responsibility in unleashing the First World War which German historians such as Fritz Fischer and Hans Mommsen now conclude is mostly the fault of Imperial Germany's internal and external policies. While it was absurd of the Allied Powers to declare Imperial Germany "''solely'' responsible" for the war, they were certainly ''involved'' in its expansion from a regional dispute into a world war. Likewise a lot of the policies and goals of Nazi Germany's Ostfront goals were similar to Imperial Germany's policies, and more importantly they did implement policies of genocide against the Herero in Sudwestafrika, including use of concentration camps and death by starvation, measures similar to UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust.

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** While many people rightly say that Imperial Germany fell short of Nazi Germany in scale of war crimes and means to implement them, as well as pointing out that German responsibility for starting the war was exaggerated, this has sometimes led many people to go further and significantly downplay some of Imperial Germany's crimes and, likewise significantly undersell their responsibility in unleashing the First World War which German historians such as Fritz Fischer and Hans Mommsen now conclude is mostly the fault of Imperial Germany's internal and external policies. While it was absurd of the Allied Powers to declare Imperial Germany "''solely'' responsible" for the war, they were certainly ''involved'' in its expansion from a regional dispute into a world war. Likewise a lot of the policies and goals of Nazi Germany's Ostfront goals were [[OlderThanTheyThink similar in intent (if not methods) to Imperial Germany's policies, and more importantly they policies]]. The Germans did implement policies of genocide against the Herero in Sudwestafrika, including use of concentration camps and death by starvation, measures similar to which prefigured the UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust.
1st Mar '17 12:51:50 PM AllenbysEyes88
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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Whether Imperial Germany receives this or HistoricalVillainUpgrade, especially in regards to their actions in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, ''very'' much [[DependingOnTheWriter depends on the writer]]. Use RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment when assessing this.

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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Whether Imperial Germany receives this or HistoricalVillainUpgrade, especially in regards to their actions in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, ''very'' much [[DependingOnTheWriter depends on the writer]]. Use RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment when assessing this.this issue.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be repressive and violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes three decades later, with a death toll measuring in the thousands rather than millions. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of said issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude made them easy to caricature.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be repressive and violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes three decades later, crimes, with a death toll measuring in the thousands rather than millions. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of said the issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude made them Germany easy to caricature.
1st Mar '17 12:49:49 PM AllenbysEyes88
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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade:

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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade:HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Whether Imperial Germany receives this or HistoricalVillainUpgrade, especially in regards to their actions in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, ''very'' much [[DependingOnTheWriter depends on the writer]]. Use RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment when assessing this.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be harsh and repressive. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes three decades later. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of said issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, along with Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be harsh repressive and repressive.violent. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes three decades later.later, with a death toll measuring in the thousands rather than millions. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of said issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, along with while Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude.attitude made them easy to caricature.
1st Mar '17 7:32:30 AM AllenbysEyes88
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be harsh and repressive. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, their crimes were downright paltry compared to the Nazis. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of said issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, along with Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: At their worst, the Imperial Army could be harsh and repressive. Their greatest crime might have been the deliberate burning of library of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, which contained many irreplaceable one-of-a-kinds. Hostage taking and executions of civilians in occupied Belgium and France weren't unknown, either. This was particularly common as reprisal against Belgian sharpshooters, whose actions were blamed on civilian "[[LaResistance francs-tireurs]]" as they refused to believe that enemy snipers could be operating well inside the German occupation zone. That said, their these atrocities, while very real, weren't anywhere near the scale of the Holocaust or other Nazi war crimes were downright paltry compared to the Nazis.three decades later. [[CriticalResearchFailure Some people aren't clear on this.]] [[VillainwithGoodPublicity On both sides of said issue.]] The Allies' propaganda during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (notably the Rape of Belgium campaign, which blended fact and fiction profligately) and the total responsibility that was laid on them by the Versailles treaty didn't help, along with Wilhelm's openly belligerent rhetoric and attitude.
28th Feb '17 7:52:51 PM PaulA
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* They attempted to utilize an elaborate disintegrating ray as a secret weapon in ''Biggles, Adventures in Time''.

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* They attempted to utilize an elaborate disintegrating ray as a secret weapon in ''Biggles, Adventures in Time''.''Film/BigglesAdventuresInTime''.
23rd Feb '17 8:47:03 AM Saveelich
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* Represented by buffoonish German Colonel Manfred Von Holstein in ''Film/ThoseMagnificentMenInTheirFlyingMachines''.

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* Represented Germany is represented in a 1910s great plane race by buffoonish German Colonel Manfred Von Holstein (Creator/GertFrobe) in ''Film/ThoseMagnificentMenInTheirFlyingMachines''.
23rd Feb '17 8:45:29 AM Saveelich
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* ThoseWackyNazis made several revisionist propaganda films about the period, mostly to glorify Otto Von Bismarck because of Hitler's obsession with being compared to him. ''Bismarck'' (1940) chronicles his triumphant rise and ''Die Entlassung'' (The Dismissal, 1941) his tragic fall. Also, the 1941 film ''Carl Peters'' attempts to create a heroic narrative of the titular man responsible for the creation of Germany's African colonies in the late 19th century, despite the fact that his brutality as a colonial administrator in German East Africa caused him to be known by a Swahili title that translates to "Man With Bloody Hands." Unsurprisingly, the film was the Nazis' attempt at claiming Peters as an ideological forbear.

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* ThoseWackyNazis made several Several revisionist propaganda films about the period, period in UsefulNotes/NaziGermany, mostly to glorify Otto Von Bismarck because of Hitler's obsession with being compared to him. ''Bismarck'' (1940) chronicles his triumphant rise and ''Die Entlassung'' (The Dismissal, 1941) his tragic fall. Also, the 1941 film ''Carl Peters'' attempts to create a heroic narrative of the titular man responsible for the creation of Germany's African colonies in the late 19th century, despite the fact that his brutality as a colonial administrator in German East Africa caused him to be known by a Swahili title that translates to "Man With Bloody Hands." Unsurprisingly, the film was the Nazis' attempt at claiming Peters as an ideological forbear.
1st Feb '17 2:33:46 PM Morgenthaler
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* Kaiser Wilhelm II appeared as a zombie in a ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons: Treehouse of Horror'' episode, working with several Old West zombie outlaws to terrorize Springfield.
** He was even called [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler the scariest German who ever lived]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
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Kaiser Wilhelm II appeared as a zombie in a ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons: Treehouse "Treehouse of Horror'' Horror" episode, working with several Old West zombie outlaws to terrorize Springfield.
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Springfield. He was even called [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler the scariest German who ever lived]].



* Also appearing in ''The Simpsons'' was Baron Von Kissalot, whose nickname apparently comes from his enormous lips and who receives the taxi cab bill that Marge had sent to a lecherous Arty Ziff, as the contemptuous nickname she referred to him by caused some confusion with the Baron's name.

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* ** Also appearing in ''The Simpsons'' was Baron Von Kissalot, whose nickname apparently comes from his enormous lips and who receives the taxi cab bill that Marge had sent to a lecherous Arty Ziff, as the contemptuous nickname she referred to him by caused some confusion with the Baron's name.



* In one of his rambling senile stories, Grandpa Simpson declares that at one point the word "Dicketty" had replaced "twenty," because Kaiser Wilhelm II had stolen the word, and he chased him to get it back before giving up after "dicketty-six miles."

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* ** In one of his rambling senile stories, Grandpa Simpson declares that at one point the word "Dicketty" had replaced "twenty," because Kaiser Wilhelm II had stolen the word, and he chased him to get it back before giving up after "dicketty-six miles."
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