History UsefulNotes / Feminism

2nd Jun '16 1:12:51 PM Morgenthaler
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The movement first gained coherence in TheSeventies, yes... But go back to any place and time where there has been widespread discrimination against women (namely, AllOfThem), and you will find feminism--or, at least, [[FairForItsDay something that looks like feminism if you squint hard enough]]. The word "feminism" dates back to 1895; the entire "suffragette" movement, in which American women campaigned for the right to vote, took place in 1905; and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_de_Pizan Christine de Pizan]] was writing feminist works as far back as the [[OlderThanPrint early 15th century]]. If you believe that men can be feminists and that one does not need to ''describe'' oneself as a feminist to be one, then the very first might well be {{Euripides}}, which would make feminism OlderThanFeudalism. (On the other hand, some of his contemporaries called him misogynistic [[UpToEleven even by Ancient Greek standards]].)

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The movement first gained coherence in TheSeventies, yes... But go back to any place and time where there has been widespread discrimination against women (namely, AllOfThem), and you will find feminism--or, at least, [[FairForItsDay something that looks like feminism if you squint hard enough]]. The word "feminism" dates back to 1895; the entire "suffragette" movement, in which American women campaigned for the right to vote, took place in 1905; and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_de_Pizan Christine de Pizan]] was writing feminist works as far back as the [[OlderThanPrint early 15th century]]. If you believe that men can be feminists and that one does not need to ''describe'' oneself as a feminist to be one, then the very first might well be {{Euripides}}, Creator/{{Euripides}}, which would make feminism OlderThanFeudalism. (On the other hand, some of his contemporaries called him misogynistic [[UpToEleven even by Ancient Greek standards]].)
29th May '16 3:09:47 PM Terran117
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Furthermore, there has been a trend among anti feminists to describe themselves as "second wave" feminists under the impression that older feminism was less hateful and more down to Earth, [[{{Irony}} despite the fact that hardcore anti male attitudes were dominant among second wavers rather than the intersectional third wavers]]. While one can still find anti male attitudes among third wavers, they're generally fringe and it doesn't help that people tend to make a habit out of browsing blogs with [[{{Troll}} questionable origins]] just to get offended.
29th May '16 3:01:08 PM Terran117
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Finally, there is the notion that modern feminism is inclusive of non binary people, so saying that only women get oppressed because of patriarchy is a pretty shitty thing to say with non cisgendered people are also thrown under the bus.
18th May '16 4:03:28 AM ArtieBird
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It's pretty uncontroversial in feminist circles to point out that [[MenAreTheExpendableGender sexism]] [[AManIsNotAVirgin also]] [[BumblingDad hurts]] [[MenCantKeepHouse men]] [[DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale in]] [[MenDontCry plenty]] [[RealMenHateAffection of]] [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale ways]]. The controversy tends to actually lie in what exactly should be ''done'' about this; whether men's issues resulting from sexism will sort themselves out as the patriarchy fades, or whether a concerted pro-men effort is required. There are feminists who specifically focus on the ways men's oppression and women's oppression are linked; for instance, many argue that companies need to start granting paternity leave both so that fathers can have the chance to bond with their kids, ''and'' so that women aren't automatically assumed to be responsible for child care. On the other hand, there are also plenty of feminists who, on the assumption that [[AppealToWorseProblems women are]] ''[[AppealToWorseProblems more]]'' [[AppealToWorseProblems harmed by sexism than men]], can be ambivalent, obstructionist, or worse toward efforts to address men's issues.

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It's pretty uncontroversial in feminist circles to point out that [[MenAreTheExpendableGender sexism]] [[AManIsNotAVirgin also]] does]] [[BumblingDad hurts]] hurt]] [[MenCantKeepHouse men]] [[DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale in]] [[MenDontCry plenty]] [[RealMenHateAffection of]] [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale ways]]. The controversy tends to actually lie in what exactly should be ''done'' about this; whether men's issues resulting from sexism will sort themselves out as the patriarchy fades, or whether a concerted pro-men effort is required. There are feminists who specifically focus on the ways men's oppression and women's oppression are linked; for instance, many argue that companies need to start granting paternity leave both so that fathers can have the chance to bond with their kids, ''and'' so that women aren't automatically assumed to be responsible for child care. On the other hand, there are also plenty of feminists who, on the assumption that [[AppealToWorseProblems women are]] ''[[AppealToWorseProblems more]]'' [[AppealToWorseProblems harmed by sexism than men]], can be ambivalent, obstructionist, or worse toward efforts to address men's issues.
18th May '16 4:02:03 AM ArtieBird
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It's pretty uncontroversial in feminist circles to point out that [[MenAreTheExpendableGender sexism]] [[BumblingDad hurts]] [[MenCantKeepHouse men]] [[DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale in]] [[MenDontCry plenty]] [[RealMenHateAffection of]] [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale ways]]. The controversy tends to actually lie in what exactly should be ''done'' about this; whether men's issues resulting from sexism will sort themselves out as the patriarchy fades, or whether a concerted pro-men effort is required. There are feminists who specifically focus on the ways men's oppression and women's oppression are linked; for instance, many argue that companies need to start granting paternity leave both so that fathers can have the chance to bond with their kids, ''and'' so that women aren't automatically assumed to be responsible for child care. On the other hand, there are also plenty of feminists who, on the assumption that [[AppealToWorseProblems women are]] ''[[AppealToWorseProblems more]]'' [[AppealToWorseProblems harmed by sexism than men]], can be ambivalent, obstructionist, or worse toward efforts to address men's issues.

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It's pretty uncontroversial in feminist circles to point out that [[MenAreTheExpendableGender sexism]] [[AManIsNotAVirgin also]] [[BumblingDad hurts]] [[MenCantKeepHouse men]] [[DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale in]] [[MenDontCry plenty]] [[RealMenHateAffection of]] [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale ways]]. The controversy tends to actually lie in what exactly should be ''done'' about this; whether men's issues resulting from sexism will sort themselves out as the patriarchy fades, or whether a concerted pro-men effort is required. There are feminists who specifically focus on the ways men's oppression and women's oppression are linked; for instance, many argue that companies need to start granting paternity leave both so that fathers can have the chance to bond with their kids, ''and'' so that women aren't automatically assumed to be responsible for child care. On the other hand, there are also plenty of feminists who, on the assumption that [[AppealToWorseProblems women are]] ''[[AppealToWorseProblems more]]'' [[AppealToWorseProblems harmed by sexism than men]], can be ambivalent, obstructionist, or worse toward efforts to address men's issues.
10th Apr '16 4:33:19 PM surgoshan
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In one sense, feminism is truly ancient. You can find women asserting themselves as independent and equal as far back as the sixth century BC (the poet Sappho), which might make feminism OlderThanFeudalism. You can also find works that are unmistakably feminist in many times and places, such as the Arthurian Romance ''Silence'', from 14th century France, which features a female protagonist with a distinctly subversive name (as a girl she was given the name Eufemie by her mother, which not only means "Alas! Woman!" but also "euphemism", or a way of speaking around a subject rather than directly to it), which might make feminism OlderThanPrint. You also find notable feminists involved in the American Revolution, such as the iconoclast Thomas Paine and Abigail Adams (who was quite upset that her husband, future president John Adams, didn't follow her advice and make sure women were given decent representation in the Constitution), although they, of course, didn't call themselves feminists. There were also writers such as Mary Wollstonecraft and Olympe de Gourges who wrote early feminist essays and criticized the Enlightenment thinkers and radicals of the day for usually ignoring women's rights; De Gourges even proposed giving all women the right to vote, possibly the first prominent call for women's suffrage.

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In one sense, feminism is truly ancient. You can find women asserting themselves as independent and equal as far back as the sixth century BC (the poet Sappho), which might make feminism OlderThanFeudalism. You can also find works that are unmistakably feminist in many times and places, such as the Arthurian Romance ''Silence'', from 14th century France, which features a female protagonist with a distinctly subversive name (as a girl she was given the name Eufemie by her mother, which not only means "Alas! Woman!" but also "euphemism", or a way of speaking around a subject rather than directly to it), which might make feminism OlderThanPrint. You also find notable feminists involved in the American Revolution, such as the iconoclast Thomas Paine and Abigail Adams (who was quite upset that her husband, future president John Adams, didn't follow her advice and make sure women were given decent representation in the Constitution), although they, of course, didn't call themselves feminists. There were also writers such as Mary Wollstonecraft and Olympe de Gourges Gouges who wrote early feminist essays and criticized the Enlightenment thinkers and radicals of the day for usually ignoring women's rights; De Gourges de Gouges even proposed giving all women the right to vote, possibly the first prominent call for women's suffrage.
10th Apr '16 1:33:19 PM belahorizon
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* ''Black feminism'': Shifts attention towards the experiences of women and girls of African descent. Argues that feminists need to take account of racial problems in addition to gender problems. The writer bell hooks is a prominent voice in this tendency.

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* ''Black feminism'': ''Womanism'': Shifts attention towards the experiences of women and girls of African descent. Argues that feminists need to take account of racial problems in addition to gender problems. The writer bell hooks is a prominent voice in this tendency.
3rd Apr '16 7:29:51 PM Fireblood
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In one sense, feminism is truly ancient. You can find women asserting themselves as independent and equal as far back as the sixth century BC (the poet Sappho), which might make feminism OlderThanFeudalism. You can also find works that are unmistakably feminist in many times and places, such as the Arthurian Romance ''Silence'', from 14th century France, which features a female protagonist with a distinctly subversive name (as a girl she was given the name Eufemie by her mother, which not only means "Alas! Woman!" but also "euphemism", or a way of speaking around a subject rather than directly to it), which might make feminism OlderThanPrint. You also find notable feminists involved in the American Revolution, such as the iconoclast Thomas Paine and Abigail Adams (who was quite upset that her husband, future president John Adams, didn't follow her advice and make sure women were given decent representation in the Constitution), although they, of course, didn't call themselves feminists. There were also writers such as Mary Wollstonecraft and Olympe de Gourges who wrote early feminist essays and criticized the Enlightenment thinkers and radicals of the day for usually ignoring women's rights; de Gourges even proposed giving all women the right to vote, possibly the first prominent call for women's suffrage.

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In one sense, feminism is truly ancient. You can find women asserting themselves as independent and equal as far back as the sixth century BC (the poet Sappho), which might make feminism OlderThanFeudalism. You can also find works that are unmistakably feminist in many times and places, such as the Arthurian Romance ''Silence'', from 14th century France, which features a female protagonist with a distinctly subversive name (as a girl she was given the name Eufemie by her mother, which not only means "Alas! Woman!" but also "euphemism", or a way of speaking around a subject rather than directly to it), which might make feminism OlderThanPrint. You also find notable feminists involved in the American Revolution, such as the iconoclast Thomas Paine and Abigail Adams (who was quite upset that her husband, future president John Adams, didn't follow her advice and make sure women were given decent representation in the Constitution), although they, of course, didn't call themselves feminists. There were also writers such as Mary Wollstonecraft and Olympe de Gourges who wrote early feminist essays and criticized the Enlightenment thinkers and radicals of the day for usually ignoring women's rights; de De Gourges even proposed giving all women the right to vote, possibly the first prominent call for women's suffrage.



* '''Intersectionality:''' Taking into account anything and everything that can marginalise people - not just sex and gender, but also race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, physical ability, class, etc. For example, being a woman of color means you could be subject to both misogyny and racism. Further, a woman of color experiences misogyny differently from a white woman and racism differently from a man of color.

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* '''Intersectionality:''' Taking into account anything and everything that can marginalise marginalize people - not just sex and gender, but also race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, physical ability, class, etc. For example, being a woman of color means you could be subject to both misogyny and racism. Further, a woman of color experiences misogyny differently from a white woman and racism differently from a man of color.



* '''Privilege:''' All the things about you that might make your life a little easier than the lives of other people in your (usually majority) group. When somebody tells you th "check your privilege", they're reminding you to recognise where you're coming from. For example, if you're straight and white, your experience differs from that of queer women of color.

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* '''Privilege:''' All the things about you that might make your life a little easier than the lives of other people in your (usually majority) group. When somebody tells you th to "check your privilege", they're reminding you to recognise recognize where you're coming from. For example, if you're straight and white, your experience differs from that of queer women of color.
3rd Apr '16 3:11:31 PM Eagal
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Because the movement originated at a time when women were clearly considered inferior to men socially and institutionally. It focused on the female sex because most men were already in positions of power in society relative to women of comparable socioeconomic class. It was women that needed to be brought up to the level of men, who were perceived to already have power. As for the accusation of being sexist for only focusing on one gender, a counterargument would be that this would make the [[AmericanCivilRightsMovement black civil rights movement]] racist because it only focused on black people, or the gay rights movement bigoted because it didnít also focus on the problems of straight people.

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Because the movement originated at a time when women were clearly considered inferior to men socially and institutionally. It focused on the female sex because most men were already in positions of power in society relative to women of comparable socioeconomic class. It was women that needed to be brought up to the level of men, who were perceived to already have power. As for the accusation of being sexist for only focusing on one gender, a counterargument would be that this would make the [[AmericanCivilRightsMovement [[UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement black civil rights movement]] racist because it only focused on black people, or the gay rights movement bigoted because it didnít also focus on the problems of straight people.
13th Mar '16 12:18:32 PM surgoshan
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* '''Gender Binary:''' The dichotomy that splits everything (even things that have no basis in sex or gender) into "male" and "female".
* '''Intersectionality:''' Taking into account anything and everything that can marginalise people - not just sex and gender, but also race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, physical ability, class, etc. For example, being a woman of color means you could be subject to both misogyny and racism.
* '''Objectification:''' Ignoring or taking away everything about a person that makes them a person, and seeing/portraying them as just an object for sex.

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* '''Gender Binary:''' The dichotomy that splits everything (even things that have no basis in sex or gender) into "male" and "female".
"female", as opposed existing on a continuum with many people grouped ''toward'' the ends.
* '''Intersectionality:''' Taking into account anything and everything that can marginalise people - not just sex and gender, but also race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, physical ability, class, etc. For example, being a woman of color means you could be subject to both misogyny and racism.
racism. Further, a woman of color experiences misogyny differently from a white woman and racism differently from a man of color.
* '''Objectification:''' Ignoring or taking away everything about a person that makes them a person, and seeing/portraying them as just an object object. In feminism, this often involves discussions of sexual objectification, where women are denied agency and intention in order to make them into objects for sex.the sexual desires of heterosexual men.
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