History UsefulNotes / BerlinWall

19th Jun '16 3:24:30 PM Jhonny
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Since the wall collapsed, Germany has been having a problem with "The Wall in people's heads" (''die Mauer im Kopf''). This invisible wall consists in the whole Ossi-Wessi thing (a difference of attitudes), a disparity in living conditions (Ossis still have the economic short end of the stick, although things are rather better than they were twenty years ago), and politics in the GDR has developed a tendency towards extremes (the far-right has gotten itself a base...as has the far left, in the form of the Left Party, which ironically is the direct descendant of the Socialist Unity Party that ran EastGermany...). On the other hand, people born since about 1985 (i.e. those too young to remember the wall, e.g. most German Tropers) tend to regard all of this as something of a non-issue (except for how the East is still poorer than the West, but that's little different from the tensions between people from the [[OopNorth North of England]] and the South).

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Since the wall collapsed, Germany has been having a problem with "The Wall in people's heads" (''die Mauer im Kopf''). This invisible wall consists in the whole Ossi-Wessi thing (a difference of attitudes), a disparity in living conditions (Ossis still have the economic short end of the stick, although things are rather better than they were twenty years ago), and politics in the GDR has developed a tendency towards extremes (the far-right has gotten itself a base...as has the far left, in the form of the Left Party, which ironically is the direct descendant of the Socialist Unity Party that ran EastGermany...). On the other hand, people born since about 1985 (i.e. those too young to remember the wall, e.g. most German Tropers) tend to regard all of this as something of a non-issue (except for how the East is still poorer than the West, but that's little different from the tensions between people from the [[OopNorth North of England]] and the South).
South). Truth be told, before the wall came up differences in Germany were bigger between North and South than East and West and as the wall is now close to being "fallen" longer than it stood ([[ShorterThanTheyThink just twenty eight years]]), this may well reassert itself in due time.
19th Jun '16 3:18:58 PM Jhonny
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* Going over it. One escape involving a hot air balloon was successful, yet very dangerous. Another attempt featuring a home-made motorized aircraft (using i.e. a butchered motorcycle) failed; the [[StateSec StaSi]] got them first. Another time, a brother of three escaped via a home-made zip-line, and later picked up his brothers with a private plane with fake Soviet colorings from an inner-Berlin ''city park''.

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* Going over it. One escape involving a hot air balloon was successful, yet very dangerous. Another attempt featuring a home-made motorized aircraft (using i.e. among others a butchered motorcycle) failed; the [[StateSec StaSi]] TheStasi got them first. Another time, a brother of three escaped via a home-made zip-line, and later picked up his brothers with a private plane with fake Soviet colorings from an inner-Berlin ''city park''.
19th Jun '16 3:17:33 PM Jhonny
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* [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUAndSBahn 2 U-Bahn lines and a S-bahn line]] operated by the West Berlin transit authority ran through East Berlin territory, who paid DM 20 million a year for this privilege. The stations in GDR territory were mostly (except for Friedrichstraße) closed to passengers, becoming 'ghost stations', fairly dimly lit, sealed off at street level and patrolled by the Border Troops. Until they were reopened in 1989/1990, the stations remained pretty much unchanged, down to the adverts on the walls.

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* [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUAndSBahn 2 U-Bahn lines and a S-bahn line]] operated by the West Berlin transit authority (in the case of the U-Bahn) ran through East Berlin territory, who paid DM 20 million a year for this privilege. The stations in GDR territory were mostly (except for Friedrichstraße) closed to passengers, becoming 'ghost stations', fairly dimly lit, sealed off at street level and patrolled by the Border Troops. Until they were reopened in 1989/1990, the stations remained pretty much unchanged, down to the adverts on the walls.
19th Jun '16 3:14:44 PM Jhonny
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* There were two "Berlin Walls", one next to the border (the one the West saw) and one about 100 metres further back (the one the East Berliners or visitors to the GDR saw). The void between the two walls (usually empty if you discount the tripwires, with a raked dirt surface to make footprints easy to spot) was referred to as "the death strip", as the border guards had instructions to shoot on sight. So escapees had not just one wall to get through, but 100 meters--basically a football field's worth!--of empty space to traverse, before having to climb/get through ''another'' wall.

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* There were two "Berlin Walls", one next to the border (the one the West saw) and one about 100 metres meters further back (the one the East Berliners or visitors to the GDR saw). The void between the two walls (usually empty if you discount the tripwires, with a raked dirt surface to make footprints easy to spot) was referred to as "the death strip", as the border guards had instructions to shoot on sight. So escapees had not just one wall to get through, but 100 meters--basically a football field's worth!--of empty space to traverse, before having to climb/get through ''another'' wall.



* [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUAndSBahn 2 U-Bahn lines and a S-bahn line]] operated by the West Berlin transit authority ran through East Berlin territory, who paid DM 20 million a year for this priviliege. The stations in GDR territory were mostly (except for Friedrichstraße) closed to passengers, becoming 'ghost stations', fairly dimly lit, sealed off at street level and patrolled by the Border Troops. Until they were reopened in 1989/1990, the stations remained pretty much unchanged, down to the adverts on the walls.

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* [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUAndSBahn 2 U-Bahn lines and a S-bahn line]] operated by the West Berlin transit authority ran through East Berlin territory, who paid DM 20 million a year for this priviliege.privilege. The stations in GDR territory were mostly (except for Friedrichstraße) closed to passengers, becoming 'ghost stations', fairly dimly lit, sealed off at street level and patrolled by the Border Troops. Until they were reopened in 1989/1990, the stations remained pretty much unchanged, down to the adverts on the walls.



* Going over it. One escape involving a hot air balloon was successful, yet very dangerous. Another attempt featuring a home-made motorised aircraft (using i.e. a butchered motorcycle) failed; the [[StateSec StaSi]] got them first. Another time, a brother of three escaped via a home-made zip-line, and later picked up his brothers with a private plane with fake Soviet colourings from an inner-Berlin ''city park''.

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* Going over it. One escape involving a hot air balloon was successful, yet very dangerous. Another attempt featuring a home-made motorised motorized aircraft (using i.e. a butchered motorcycle) failed; the [[StateSec StaSi]] got them first. Another time, a brother of three escaped via a home-made zip-line, and later picked up his brothers with a private plane with fake Soviet colourings colorings from an inner-Berlin ''city park''.



Since the wall collapsed, Germany has been having a problem with "The Wall in people's heads" (''die Mauer im Kopf''). This invisible wall consists in the whole Ossi-Wessi thing (a difference of attitudes), a disparity in living conditions (Ossis still have the economic short end of the stick, although things are rather better than they were twenty years ago), and politics in the GDR has developed a tendency towards extremes (the far-right has gotten itself a base...as has the far left, in the form of the Left Party, which ironically is the direct descendant of the Socialist Unity Party that ran EastGermany...). On the other hand, people born since about 1985 (i.e. those too young to remember the wall, i.e. most German Tropers) tend to regard all of this as something of a non-issue (except for how the East is still poorer than the West, but that's little different from the tensions between people from the [[OopNorth North of England]] and the South).

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Since the wall collapsed, Germany has been having a problem with "The Wall in people's heads" (''die Mauer im Kopf''). This invisible wall consists in the whole Ossi-Wessi thing (a difference of attitudes), a disparity in living conditions (Ossis still have the economic short end of the stick, although things are rather better than they were twenty years ago), and politics in the GDR has developed a tendency towards extremes (the far-right has gotten itself a base...as has the far left, in the form of the Left Party, which ironically is the direct descendant of the Socialist Unity Party that ran EastGermany...). On the other hand, people born since about 1985 (i.e. those too young to remember the wall, i.e.g. most German Tropers) tend to regard all of this as something of a non-issue (except for how the East is still poorer than the West, but that's little different from the tensions between people from the [[OopNorth North of England]] and the South).



* In ''Manga/{{Cyborg 009}}'', a young truck driver and his girlfriend tried to go through the Berlin Wall and run away to West Germany. They were discovered, and the guards shot at them: the truck blew up, the girl died and the badly-injured man was taken away by a group of {{Mad Scientist}}s who rebuily the driver -- Albert Heinrich -- as Cyborg 004.

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* In ''Manga/{{Cyborg 009}}'', a young truck driver and his girlfriend tried to go through the Berlin Wall and run away to West Germany. They were discovered, and the guards shot at them: the truck blew up, the girl died and the badly-injured man was taken away by a group of {{Mad Scientist}}s who rebuily rebuild the driver -- Albert Heinrich -- as Cyborg 004.



* The amount of angst/romance/family fics about the Berlin Wall between Germany and Prussia in ''Axis Powers Hetalia'' is unsurprising. Most of the fan-stories involving the pairing have atleast some portion of it, or a reference to, the Berlin Wall.

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* The amount of angst/romance/family fics about the Berlin Wall between Germany and Prussia in ''Axis Powers Hetalia'' is unsurprising. Most of the fan-stories involving the pairing have atleast at least some portion of it, or a reference to, the Berlin Wall.



* A History Channel special once covered the history of the wall and some of the more impressive escape attempts. Among them was a guy who took advantage of the laws in the GDR to drive an armoured vehicle (military vehicles were given right of way on all east german streets) to drive up to the border. Rather than risk the guards at the gates he rammed the wall counting on the vehicles massive weight to make it through.

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* A History Channel special once covered the history of the wall and some of the more impressive escape attempts. Among them was a guy who took advantage of the laws in the GDR to drive an armoured armored vehicle (military vehicles were given right of way on all east german streets) to drive up to the border. Rather than risk the guards at the gates he rammed the wall counting on the vehicles massive weight to make it through.
19th Jun '16 3:12:10 PM Jhonny
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* There were two "Berlin Walls", one next to the border (the one the West saw) and one about 100 metres further back (the one the East Berliners or visitors to the GDR saw). The void between the two walls (usually empty if you discount the tripwires, with a raked dirt surface to make footprints easy to spot) was referred to as "the death strip", as the border guards had instructions to shoot on sight. So escapees had not just one wall to get through, but 100 metres--basically a football pitch's worth!--of empty space to traverse, before having to climb/get through ''another'' wall.

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* There were two "Berlin Walls", one next to the border (the one the West saw) and one about 100 metres further back (the one the East Berliners or visitors to the GDR saw). The void between the two walls (usually empty if you discount the tripwires, with a raked dirt surface to make footprints easy to spot) was referred to as "the death strip", as the border guards had instructions to shoot on sight. So escapees had not just one wall to get through, but 100 metres--basically meters--basically a football pitch's field's worth!--of empty space to traverse, before having to climb/get through ''another'' wall.
5th Mar '16 10:07:17 PM Acebrock
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'''Ways People Tried to Illegally Cross The Wall Wall'''

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'''Ways People Tried to Illegally Cross The Wall Wall'''
17th Feb '16 12:05:48 PM DDRMASTERM
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Another (legal-ish) way was Bonn actually paying East Germany to allow them to leave; this allowed the GDR to get much needed hard currency and to get rid of troublesome dissidents. This actually made about them about 3.5 ''billion'' Deutschmarks.

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Another (legal-ish) way was Bonn actually paying East Germany to allow them to leave; this allowed the GDR to get much needed hard currency and to get rid of troublesome dissidents. This actually made about them about 3.5 ''billion'' Deutschmarks.
4th Dec '15 5:41:34 PM wrestlingdog909
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* The Wall plays a major role in ''Film/BridgeOfSpies'', which is about the arrangement of the first prisoner exchange between West and East during the Cold War. The day of the Wall's first construction is depicted (ahistorically shown as being masonry from the start) and an American student is taken prisoner by the East Germans after foolishly trying to rescue his girlfriend. Later the American protagonist makes several crossings of the Wall to negotiate with Soviets and East Germans in East Berlin, and witnesses two people being shot by border guards while trying to cross illegally. The film ends with the actual exchange at the Glienecke Bridge.
2nd Nov '15 3:12:07 PM Josef5678
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* The Berlin Wall became just a part of what came to be called the "inner German border", which was a wall that separated the entire nation of East Germany from West Germany and was part of the IronCurtain. A series of 3-4 meter (12-15 foot) high metal fences, walls, armed guards, guard dogs, barbed wire, electric alarms, trenches, watchtowers, automatic guns and minefields. The Berlin Wall, which separated East and West Berlin, was the most famous part of the system but formed less than a tenth of the whole - it omitted the automatic gun and minefields part because it would be spectacularly bad publicity for the GDR for someone to get killed like that in a major city.

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* The Berlin Wall became just a part of what came to be called the "inner German border", which was a wall that separated the entire nation of East Germany from West Germany and was part of the IronCurtain.UsefulNotes/IronCurtain. A series of 3-4 meter (12-15 foot) high metal fences, walls, armed guards, guard dogs, barbed wire, electric alarms, trenches, watchtowers, automatic guns and minefields. The Berlin Wall, which separated East and West Berlin, was the most famous part of the system but formed less than a tenth of the whole - it omitted the automatic gun and minefields part because it would be spectacularly bad publicity for the GDR for someone to get killed like that in a major city.
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