History UsefulNotes / Amtrak

17th Aug '16 8:24:34 AM Jhonny
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In the most heavily populated region, the Northeast, the rail system is extensive enough to rival those of Europe and includes a high-speed line. Everywhere else, it's generally slower than rail travel seventy years ago; this isn't for any technological reason, but rather largely one of power and scheduling (i.e.: the freight companies own most of the track, and often give their trains priority over Amtrak in scheduling; this results in a lot of delays outside major rail hubs like Chicago, as an Amtrak train may have to wait as much as an hour to let one or two or more freight trains pass before pulling into the station) and to some degree infrastructure (a lot of track could use some upgrades and much of it is single-track, which slows down times, and the bulk of Amtrak's equipment dates back to the 1970s-1990s, an issue that is only now be rectified with new locomotives and cars thanks to a stimulous package during the Great Recession). However, high-speed rail is set to be extended to other regions in the next decade (the "[[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Chicago Hub]]" region--which extends from Cleveland and Detroit to Kansas City east-west and Minneapolis to Louisville north-south--has seen particularly extensive improvements to Amtrak in preparation for it). But if media depict a passenger train in the contemporary US, it will most likely be an Amtrak train. In particular, it will likely be either a ''Pacific Surfliner''[[note]]Going from San Diego to San Luis Obispo via LA[[/note]] or a ''Northeast Corridor'' train[[note]]Particularly the Acela Express, which only has first and business class (no coach) and is one of the most expensive trains in the world - but it actually makes an "above the rails" profit[[/note]], even if the setting is [[JustTrainWrong somewhere completely]] [[FlyoverCountry different.]]

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In the most heavily populated region, the Northeast, the rail system is extensive enough to rival those of Europe and includes a high-speed line. Everywhere else, it's generally slower than rail travel seventy years ago; this isn't for any technological reason, but rather largely one of power and scheduling (i.e.: the freight companies own most of the track, and often give their trains priority over Amtrak in scheduling; this results in a lot of delays outside major rail hubs like Chicago, as an Amtrak train may have to wait as much as an hour to let one or two or more freight trains pass before pulling into the station) and to some degree infrastructure (a lot of track could use some upgrades and much of it is single-track, which slows down times, and the bulk of Amtrak's equipment dates back to the 1970s-1990s, an issue that is only now be rectified with new locomotives and cars thanks to a stimulous package during the Great Recession). However, high-speed rail UsefulNotes/HighSpeedRail is set to be extended to other regions in the next decade (the "[[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Chicago Hub]]" region--which extends from Cleveland and Detroit to Kansas City east-west and Minneapolis to Louisville north-south--has seen particularly extensive improvements to Amtrak in preparation for it). But if media depict a passenger train in the contemporary US, it will most likely be an Amtrak train. In particular, it will likely be either a ''Pacific Surfliner''[[note]]Going from San Diego to San Luis Obispo via LA[[/note]] or a ''Northeast Corridor'' train[[note]]Particularly the Acela Express, which only has first and business class (no coach) and is one of the most expensive trains in the world - but it actually makes an "above the rails" profit[[/note]], even if the setting is [[JustTrainWrong somewhere completely]] [[FlyoverCountry different.]]
17th Aug '16 1:31:42 AM BNSF1995
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So Congress passed a law ending this requirement and replacing it with a skeletal network that became Amtrak. It began service in May of 1971. Though ridership has rebounded enormously since then, the network is run on a [[NoBudget very small budget]], so certain priorities have to be set. It doesn't help that it is continually subject to ExecutiveMeddling from Congress, making silly mandates such as requiring Amtrak to carry guns in checked baggage (without providing any funds for lockable cabinets for said guns), as well as threats to [[WhatAnIdiot cut off funding for onboard food service]]. Then, of course, are the continual [[ArtisticLicenseEconomics demands that Amtrak somehow pay for itself]], despite no other passenger rail system in the world making a profit, and despite [[{{Hypocrite}} massive federal funding for competing highways and airports]]. Things are getting a bit better, now that the [[UsefulNotes/JoeBiden Vice President]] is a RailEnthusiast, as well as the increasing costs and [[OverreactingAirportSecurity general unpleasantness]] of air travel resulting in Amtrak setting annual ridership records for almost every year of the past decade. Amtrak is also famous for making GOP senators who cry for the abandonment of all rail travel shriek in horror if a closure of a line through ''their'' state is proposed. Amtrak does bring vital tourist dollars to rural areas of FlyOverCountry (for the precise reason that a train does not fly over said country) and pretty much every politician knows and acknowledges this, the only question is whether the funding for Amtrak is worth that. The answer depends highly on whose district the line runs through. The current Amtrak system map has about as much to do with politics as it does with transportation or the behavior of host railroads.

In the most heavily populated region, the Northeast, the rail system is extensive enough to rival those of Europe and includes a high-speed line. Everywhere else, it's generally slower than rail travel seventy years ago; this isn't for any technological reason, but rather largely one of power and scheduling (i.e.: the freight companies own most of the track, and often give their trains priority over Amtrak in scheduling; this results in a lot of delays outside major rail hubs like Chicago, as an Amtrak train may have to wait as much as an hour to let one or two or more freight trains pass before pulling into the station) and to some degree infrastructure (a lot of track could use some upgrades and much of it is single-track, which slows down times). However, high-speed rail is set to be extended to other regions in the next decade (the "[[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Chicago Hub]]" region--which extends from Cleveland and Detroit to Kansas City east-west and Minneapolis to Louisville north-south--has seen particularly extensive improvements to Amtrak in preparation for it). But if media depict a passenger train in the contemporary US, it will most likely be an Amtrak train. In particular, it will likely be either a ''Pacific Surfliner''[[note]]Going from San Diego to San Luis Obispo via LA[[/note]] or a ''Northeast Corridor'' train[[note]]Particularly the Acela Express, which only has first and business class (no coach) and is one of the most expensive trains in the world - but it actually makes an "above the rails" profit[[/note]], even if the setting is [[JustTrainWrong somewhere completely]] [[FlyoverCountry different.]]

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So Congress passed a law ending this requirement and replacing it with a skeletal network that became Amtrak. It began service in May of 1971. Though ridership has rebounded enormously since then, the network is run on a [[NoBudget very small budget]], so certain priorities have to be set. It doesn't help that it is continually subject to ExecutiveMeddling from Congress, making silly mandates such as requiring Amtrak to carry guns in checked baggage (without providing any funds for lockable cabinets for said guns), as well as threats to [[WhatAnIdiot cut off funding for onboard food service]]. Then, of course, are the continual [[ArtisticLicenseEconomics demands that Amtrak somehow pay for itself]], despite no other passenger rail system in the world making a profit, and despite [[{{Hypocrite}} massive federal funding for competing highways and airports]]. Things are getting a bit better, now that the [[UsefulNotes/JoeBiden Vice President]] is a RailEnthusiast, as well as the increasing costs and [[OverreactingAirportSecurity general unpleasantness]] of air travel travel, plus highways becoming increasingly congested and in some cases, rather boring to drive (especially through flat, practically featureless farmland), resulting in Amtrak setting annual ridership records for almost every year of the past decade. Amtrak is also famous for making GOP senators who cry for the abandonment of all rail travel shriek in horror if a closure of a line through ''their'' state is proposed. Amtrak does bring vital tourist dollars to rural areas of FlyOverCountry (for the precise reason that a train does not fly over said country) and pretty much every politician knows and acknowledges this, the only question is whether the funding for Amtrak is worth that. The answer depends highly on whose district the line runs through. The current Amtrak system map has about as much to do with politics as it does with transportation or the behavior of host railroads.

In the most heavily populated region, the Northeast, the rail system is extensive enough to rival those of Europe and includes a high-speed line. Everywhere else, it's generally slower than rail travel seventy years ago; this isn't for any technological reason, but rather largely one of power and scheduling (i.e.: the freight companies own most of the track, and often give their trains priority over Amtrak in scheduling; this results in a lot of delays outside major rail hubs like Chicago, as an Amtrak train may have to wait as much as an hour to let one or two or more freight trains pass before pulling into the station) and to some degree infrastructure (a lot of track could use some upgrades and much of it is single-track, which slows down times).times, and the bulk of Amtrak's equipment dates back to the 1970s-1990s, an issue that is only now be rectified with new locomotives and cars thanks to a stimulous package during the Great Recession). However, high-speed rail is set to be extended to other regions in the next decade (the "[[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Chicago Hub]]" region--which extends from Cleveland and Detroit to Kansas City east-west and Minneapolis to Louisville north-south--has seen particularly extensive improvements to Amtrak in preparation for it). But if media depict a passenger train in the contemporary US, it will most likely be an Amtrak train. In particular, it will likely be either a ''Pacific Surfliner''[[note]]Going from San Diego to San Luis Obispo via LA[[/note]] or a ''Northeast Corridor'' train[[note]]Particularly the Acela Express, which only has first and business class (no coach) and is one of the most expensive trains in the world - but it actually makes an "above the rails" profit[[/note]], even if the setting is [[JustTrainWrong somewhere completely]] [[FlyoverCountry different.]]
29th Mar '16 4:35:28 AM Jhonny
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So Congress passed a law ending this requirement and replacing it with a skeletal network that became Amtrak. It began service in May of 1971. Though ridership has rebounded enormously since then, the network is run on a [[NoBudget very small budget]], so certain priorities have to be set. It doesn't help that it is continually subject to ExecutiveMeddling from Congress, making silly mandates such as requiring Amtrak to carry guns in checked baggage (without providing any funds for lockable cabinets for said guns), as well as threats to [[WhatAnIdiot cut off funding for onboard food service]]. Then, of course, are the continual [[ArtisticLicenseEconomics demands that Amtrak somehow pay for itself]], despite no other passenger rail system in the world making a profit, and despite [[{{Hypocrite}} massive federal funding for competing highways and airports]]. Things are getting a bit better, now that the [[UsefulNotes/JoeBiden Vice President]] is a RailEnthusiast, as well as the increasing costs and [[OverreactingAirportSecurity general unpleasantness]] of air travel resulting in Amtrak setting annual ridership records for almost every year of the past decade.

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So Congress passed a law ending this requirement and replacing it with a skeletal network that became Amtrak. It began service in May of 1971. Though ridership has rebounded enormously since then, the network is run on a [[NoBudget very small budget]], so certain priorities have to be set. It doesn't help that it is continually subject to ExecutiveMeddling from Congress, making silly mandates such as requiring Amtrak to carry guns in checked baggage (without providing any funds for lockable cabinets for said guns), as well as threats to [[WhatAnIdiot cut off funding for onboard food service]]. Then, of course, are the continual [[ArtisticLicenseEconomics demands that Amtrak somehow pay for itself]], despite no other passenger rail system in the world making a profit, and despite [[{{Hypocrite}} massive federal funding for competing highways and airports]]. Things are getting a bit better, now that the [[UsefulNotes/JoeBiden Vice President]] is a RailEnthusiast, as well as the increasing costs and [[OverreactingAirportSecurity general unpleasantness]] of air travel resulting in Amtrak setting annual ridership records for almost every year of the past decade.
decade. Amtrak is also famous for making GOP senators who cry for the abandonment of all rail travel shriek in horror if a closure of a line through ''their'' state is proposed. Amtrak does bring vital tourist dollars to rural areas of FlyOverCountry (for the precise reason that a train does not fly over said country) and pretty much every politician knows and acknowledges this, the only question is whether the funding for Amtrak is worth that. The answer depends highly on whose district the line runs through. The current Amtrak system map has about as much to do with politics as it does with transportation or the behavior of host railroads.
24th Mar '16 4:32:07 AM Jhonny
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* The ''Auto Train'' from Lorton, Virginia (just outside Washington, DC) to Sanford, Florida (outside Orlando). It is unique in North America in that the passengers' automobiles are loaded onto special freight cars and are unloaded at their destination. It's so incredibly popular among senior citizens living in Florida for the winter that the Amtrak senior discount, despite being honored even on the premium ''Acela Express'', is invalid on the ''Auto Train''. It holds a few OverlyNarrowSuperlative type records, among them being the longest "passenger" train (if you count the parts that carry only cars) and the longest train route between two stops [[note]] While the train does make a refueling stop, you cannot board or alight there, except to have a smoke[[/note]] in the world. Also very close to making a profit, but not quite there yet.

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* The ''Auto Train'' from Lorton, Virginia (just outside Washington, DC) to Sanford, Florida (outside Orlando). It is unique in North America in that the passengers' automobiles are loaded onto special freight cars and are unloaded at their destination. It's so incredibly popular among senior citizens living in Florida for the winter that the Amtrak senior discount, despite being honored even on the premium ''Acela Express'', is invalid on the ''Auto Train''. It holds a few OverlyNarrowSuperlative type records, among them being the longest "passenger" train (if you count the parts that carry only cars) and the longest train route between two stops [[note]] While the train does make a refueling stop, you cannot board or alight there, except to have a smoke[[/note]] in the world. Also very close to making a profit, but not quite there yet.
yet. The Auto Train is the SpiritualSuccessor to a train of the same name run by a private company until 1981 when that company went bankrupt due to their other route (Louisville-Sanford) being a failure. Plans by Amtrak to offer a similar service on other routes are currently stuck in DevelopmentHell, partly because of the budget woes mentioned above.
24th Mar '16 4:28:11 AM Jhonny
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* The ''Auto Train'' from Lorton, Virginia (just outside Washington, DC) to Sanford, Florida (outside Orlando). It is unique in North America in that the passengers' automobiles are loaded onto special freight cars and are unloaded at their destination. It's so incredibly popular among senior citizens living in Florida for the winter that the Amtrak senior discount, despite being honored even on the premium ''Acela Express'', is invalid on the ''Auto Train''.

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* The ''Auto Train'' from Lorton, Virginia (just outside Washington, DC) to Sanford, Florida (outside Orlando). It is unique in North America in that the passengers' automobiles are loaded onto special freight cars and are unloaded at their destination. It's so incredibly popular among senior citizens living in Florida for the winter that the Amtrak senior discount, despite being honored even on the premium ''Acela Express'', is invalid on the ''Auto Train''.
Train''. It holds a few OverlyNarrowSuperlative type records, among them being the longest "passenger" train (if you count the parts that carry only cars) and the longest train route between two stops [[note]] While the train does make a refueling stop, you cannot board or alight there, except to have a smoke[[/note]] in the world. Also very close to making a profit, but not quite there yet.
22nd Mar '16 10:53:27 AM Jhonny
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* The ''Capitol Corridor'' is Northern California's answer to the Pacific Surfliner, running from San Jose to Auburn (and soon to Reno) by way of Oakland and Sacramento. Amtrak notably does not reach San Francisco. Popular with state officials.

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* The ''Capitol Corridor'' is Northern California's answer to the Pacific Surfliner, running from San Jose to Auburn (and soon to Reno) by way of Oakland and Sacramento. Amtrak notably does not reach San Francisco. [[note]]The previous train station in San Francisco was damaged by an earthquake in the eighties (which happened right during a world series game involving two Bay Area teams) and has been out of use ever since. However, the California High Speed Rail project includes a new station for San Francisco and construction is already underway[[/note]] Popular with state officials.
22nd Mar '16 10:49:58 AM Jhonny
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* The ''Acela Express'' is currently America's only high-speed line, running from UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} to UsefulNotes/WashingtonDC. It manages to run on normal tracks by tilting the cars with hydraulics. The ride itself is very smooth and eerily quiet, though a lot slower than comparable systems in other countries -- the average speed (including stops) is only 80 miles per hour (130 km/h), only reaching its top speed of 150 miles per hour on a few stretches (240 km/h). Expect to see members of Congress from the northeast riding it to/from DC at the beginning and end of each week, or people traveling between UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and Boston (more than half of all train and air traffic between the two cities is on Acela). On that note, its success has essentially killed commuter air shuttles on the East Coast, thanks to its speed, convenience, and lack of OverreactingAirportSecurity; Amtrak carries more people between Boston, New York, and Washington than all airlines ''combined''. Prices on the Acela are high even when compared to other high speed rail systems making a profit. A kilometer on Acela costs (on average) 53 cents, whereas the Shinkansen costs a bit over 20 cents and no European high speed train costs more than 15 (Euro)cents per kilometer. But then again, the Acela is only business and first class, with the Coach class in the Regional a lot more affordable.

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* The ''Acela Express'' is currently America's only high-speed line, running from UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} to UsefulNotes/WashingtonDC. It manages to run on normal tracks by tilting the cars with hydraulics. The ride itself is very smooth and eerily quiet, though a lot slower than comparable systems in other countries -- the average speed (including stops) is only 80 miles per hour (130 km/h), only reaching its top speed of 150 miles per hour on a few stretches (240 km/h). Expect to see members of Congress from the northeast riding it to/from DC at the beginning and end of each week, or people traveling between UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and Boston (more than half of all train and air traffic between the two cities is on Acela). On that note, its success has essentially killed commuter air shuttles on the East Coast, thanks to its speed, convenience, and lack of OverreactingAirportSecurity; Amtrak carries more people between Boston, New York, and Washington than all airlines ''combined''. Prices On the flip side prices on the Acela are high even when compared to other high speed rail systems making a profit. A kilometer on Acela costs (on average) 53 cents, whereas the Shinkansen costs a bit over 20 cents and no European high speed train costs more than 15 (Euro)cents per kilometer. But then again, the Acela is only business and first class, with the Coach class in the Regional a lot more affordable.
affordable. The fact that Amtrak can charge these kinds of prices tells you all you need to know about the airlines operating along that route.
22nd Mar '16 10:46:48 AM Jhonny
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* The ''Acela Express'' is currently America's only high-speed line, running from UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} to UsefulNotes/WashingtonDC. It manages to run on normal tracks by tilting the cars with hydraulics. The ride itself is very smooth and eerily quiet, though a lot slower than comparable systems in other countries -- the average speed (including stops) is only 80 miles per hour (130 km/h), only reaching its top speed of 150 miles per hour on a few stretches (240 km/h). Expect to see members of Congress from the northeast riding it to/from DC at the beginning and end of each week, or people traveling between UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and Boston (more than half of all train and air traffic between the two cities is on Acela). On that note, its success has essentially killed commuter air shuttles on the East Coast, thanks to its speed, convenience, and lack of OverreactingAirportSecurity; Amtrak carries more people between Boston, New York, and Washington than all airlines ''combined''.

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* The ''Acela Express'' is currently America's only high-speed line, running from UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} to UsefulNotes/WashingtonDC. It manages to run on normal tracks by tilting the cars with hydraulics. The ride itself is very smooth and eerily quiet, though a lot slower than comparable systems in other countries -- the average speed (including stops) is only 80 miles per hour (130 km/h), only reaching its top speed of 150 miles per hour on a few stretches (240 km/h). Expect to see members of Congress from the northeast riding it to/from DC at the beginning and end of each week, or people traveling between UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and Boston (more than half of all train and air traffic between the two cities is on Acela). On that note, its success has essentially killed commuter air shuttles on the East Coast, thanks to its speed, convenience, and lack of OverreactingAirportSecurity; Amtrak carries more people between Boston, New York, and Washington than all airlines ''combined''.
''combined''. Prices on the Acela are high even when compared to other high speed rail systems making a profit. A kilometer on Acela costs (on average) 53 cents, whereas the Shinkansen costs a bit over 20 cents and no European high speed train costs more than 15 (Euro)cents per kilometer. But then again, the Acela is only business and first class, with the Coach class in the Regional a lot more affordable.
22nd Mar '16 10:40:40 AM Jhonny
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In the most heavily populated region, the Northeast, the rail system is extensive enough to rival those of Europe and includes a high-speed line. Everywhere else, it's generally slower than rail travel seventy years ago; this isn't for any technological reason, but rather largely one of power and scheduling (i.e.: the freight companies own most of the track, and often give their trains priority over Amtrak in scheduling; this results in a lot of delays outside major rail hubs like Chicago, as an Amtrak train may have to wait as much as an hour to let one or two or more freight trains pass before pulling into the station) and to some degree infrastructure (a lot of track could use some upgrades and much of it is single-track, which slows down times). However, high-speed rail is set to be extended to other regions in the next decade (the "[[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Chicago Hub]]" region--which extends from Cleveland and Detroit to Kansas City east-west and Minneapolis to Louisville north-south--has seen particularly extensive improvements to Amtrak in preparation for it). But if media depict a passenger train in the contemporary US, it will most likely be an Amtrak train. In particular, it will likely be either a ''Pacific Surfliner'' or a ''Northeast Corridor'' train[[note]]Particularly the Acela Express, which only has first and business class (no coach) and is one of the most expensive trains in the world - but it actually makes an "above the rails" profit[[/note]], even if the setting is [[JustTrainWrong somewhere completely]] [[FlyoverCountry different.]]

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In the most heavily populated region, the Northeast, the rail system is extensive enough to rival those of Europe and includes a high-speed line. Everywhere else, it's generally slower than rail travel seventy years ago; this isn't for any technological reason, but rather largely one of power and scheduling (i.e.: the freight companies own most of the track, and often give their trains priority over Amtrak in scheduling; this results in a lot of delays outside major rail hubs like Chicago, as an Amtrak train may have to wait as much as an hour to let one or two or more freight trains pass before pulling into the station) and to some degree infrastructure (a lot of track could use some upgrades and much of it is single-track, which slows down times). However, high-speed rail is set to be extended to other regions in the next decade (the "[[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Chicago Hub]]" region--which extends from Cleveland and Detroit to Kansas City east-west and Minneapolis to Louisville north-south--has seen particularly extensive improvements to Amtrak in preparation for it). But if media depict a passenger train in the contemporary US, it will most likely be an Amtrak train. In particular, it will likely be either a ''Pacific Surfliner'' Surfliner''[[note]]Going from San Diego to San Luis Obispo via LA[[/note]] or a ''Northeast Corridor'' train[[note]]Particularly the Acela Express, which only has first and business class (no coach) and is one of the most expensive trains in the world - but it actually makes an "above the rails" profit[[/note]], even if the setting is [[JustTrainWrong somewhere completely]] [[FlyoverCountry different.]]
22nd Mar '16 10:39:51 AM Jhonny
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In the most heavily populated region, the Northeast, the rail system is extensive enough to rival those of Europe and includes a high-speed line. Everywhere else, it's generally slower than rail travel seventy years ago; this isn't for any technological reason, but rather largely one of power and scheduling (i.e.: the freight companies own most of the track, and often give their trains priority over Amtrak in scheduling; this results in a lot of delays outside major rail hubs like Chicago, as an Amtrak train may have to wait as much as an hour to let one or two or more freight trains pass before pulling into the station) and to some degree infrastructure (a lot of track could use some upgrades and much of it is single-track, which slows down times). However, high-speed rail is set to be extended to other regions in the next decade (the "[[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Chicago Hub]]" region--which extends from Cleveland and Detroit to Kansas City east-west and Minneapolis to Louisville north-south--has seen particularly extensive improvements to Amtrak in preparation for it). But if media depict a passenger train in the contemporary US, it will most likely be an Amtrak train. In particular, it will likely be either a ''Pacific Surfliner'' or a ''Northeast Corridor'' train, even if the setting is [[JustTrainWrong somewhere completely]] [[FlyoverCountry different.]]

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In the most heavily populated region, the Northeast, the rail system is extensive enough to rival those of Europe and includes a high-speed line. Everywhere else, it's generally slower than rail travel seventy years ago; this isn't for any technological reason, but rather largely one of power and scheduling (i.e.: the freight companies own most of the track, and often give their trains priority over Amtrak in scheduling; this results in a lot of delays outside major rail hubs like Chicago, as an Amtrak train may have to wait as much as an hour to let one or two or more freight trains pass before pulling into the station) and to some degree infrastructure (a lot of track could use some upgrades and much of it is single-track, which slows down times). However, high-speed rail is set to be extended to other regions in the next decade (the "[[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Chicago Hub]]" region--which extends from Cleveland and Detroit to Kansas City east-west and Minneapolis to Louisville north-south--has seen particularly extensive improvements to Amtrak in preparation for it). But if media depict a passenger train in the contemporary US, it will most likely be an Amtrak train. In particular, it will likely be either a ''Pacific Surfliner'' or a ''Northeast Corridor'' train, train[[note]]Particularly the Acela Express, which only has first and business class (no coach) and is one of the most expensive trains in the world - but it actually makes an "above the rails" profit[[/note]], even if the setting is [[JustTrainWrong somewhere completely]] [[FlyoverCountry different.]]
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