History TroubledProduction / Music

22nd Jun '16 5:25:56 AM gewunomox
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* Like Creator/TheRollingStones before them, and Creator/PinkFloyd and Creator/DuranDuran afterwards, Creator/JethroTull found that going off to France to record your album so the Inland Revenue can't lay a finger on the profits was more trouble than it was worth:

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* Like Creator/TheRollingStones Music/TheRollingStones before them, and Creator/PinkFloyd Music/PinkFloyd and Creator/DuranDuran Music/DuranDuran afterwards, Creator/JethroTull Music/JethroTull found that going off to France to record your album so the Inland Revenue can't lay a finger on the profits was more trouble than it was worth:
21st Jun '16 2:13:35 PM gewunomox
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** The record label pretty much flat-out told the band they wanted the hits. While John Pertucci and James [=LaBrie=] supported the decision, and John Myung and Derek Sherinian were neutral on the idea, Mike Portnoy was furious and wanted to keep the band's progressive sound that made them famous in the first place. The record label also elected Pertucci to fly to California to work with songwriter Desmond Child (famous for hits like [[Music/{{Kiss}} "I Was Made For Loving You"]] and [[BonJovi "Living On A Prayer"]]) to rework the song "You Or Me", which became "You '''Not''' Me".

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** The record label pretty much flat-out told the band they wanted the hits. While John Pertucci and James [=LaBrie=] supported the decision, and John Myung and Derek Sherinian were neutral on the idea, Mike Portnoy was furious and wanted to keep the band's progressive sound that made them famous in the first place. The record label also elected Pertucci to fly to California to work with songwriter Desmond Child (famous for hits like [[Music/{{Kiss}} [[Music/{{KISS}} "I Was Made For Loving You"]] and [[BonJovi [[Music/BonJovi "Living On A Prayer"]]) to rework the song "You Or Me", which became "You '''Not''' Me".
20th Jun '16 10:51:26 PM gewunomox
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** Their mainstream breakthrough SelfTitledAlbum, to a certain extent. To recap: band members get sick of hyper-complicated prog-metal songs that are "[[EpicRocking too fucking long]]" during the ''Music/AndJusticeForAll'' era, hire MotleyCrue producer Bob Rock, he proceeds to alter the band's schedule and actually challenge them on songwriting (something previous producers Jon Zazula, Paul Curcio and Flemming Rasmussen never did; in one specific example, Rock told Hetfield up front that his original, crib death-themed lyrics for "Enter Sandman" sucked hard and he needed to write better ones) and emphasizing [[ReplacementGoldfish the still-picked-on]] Music/JasonNewsted in the mix (in contrast to ''Justice'''s infamous lack of bass), lots of arguments ensue. Metallica themselves said that they somehow bonded during the sessions through finding new ways to torment Rock - Hetfield claimed that at one point he was browsing a magazine which happened to contain a gay ad that startled Rock, so the next day he plastered an entire room with gay porn. Despite all the animosity, Metallica stuck with Rock due to the success they had with the Black Album (which is still the best-selling album of the SoundScan era ''and'' the best-selling HeavyMetal album), all the way up to the disastrously received ''St. Anger''.

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** Their mainstream breakthrough SelfTitledAlbum, to a certain extent. To recap: band members get sick of hyper-complicated prog-metal songs that are "[[EpicRocking too fucking long]]" during the ''Music/AndJusticeForAll'' era, hire MotleyCrue Music/MotleyCrue producer Bob Rock, he proceeds to alter the band's schedule and actually challenge them on songwriting (something previous producers Jon Zazula, Paul Curcio and Flemming Rasmussen never did; in one specific example, Rock told Hetfield up front that his original, crib death-themed lyrics for "Enter Sandman" sucked hard and he needed to write better ones) and emphasizing [[ReplacementGoldfish the still-picked-on]] Music/JasonNewsted in the mix (in contrast to ''Justice'''s infamous lack of bass), lots of arguments ensue. Metallica themselves said that they somehow bonded during the sessions through finding new ways to torment Rock - Hetfield claimed that at one point he was browsing a magazine which happened to contain a gay ad that startled Rock, so the next day he plastered an entire room with gay porn. Despite all the animosity, Metallica stuck with Rock due to the success they had with the Black Album (which is still the best-selling album of the SoundScan era ''and'' the best-selling HeavyMetal album), all the way up to the disastrously received ''St. Anger''.
22nd May '16 11:52:01 PM DanielCase
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* Music/DefLeppard's most successful album, 1987's ''Music/{{Hysteria}}'', suffered from an immensely troubled production. They began working on it in late 1983 after completing the tour for their previous album ''Pyromania'' without that album's producer Creator/RobertJohnMuttLange, aware that they'd [[ToughActToFollow likely struggle top a Diamond-certified album]]. Disaster struck in December 1984 when drummer Rick Allen was involved in a car accident that resulted in the loss of his left arm, but he was determined to continue playing the drums with one arm and set about learning to play a modified electronic kit. Meanwhile, ExecutiveMeddling resulted in the recruitment of Music/JimSteinman as producer over the band's objections; when Steinman failed to produce anything meaningful with the group he was sacked, but still had to be paid. Eventually they finished the album with a returning Lange, but it had gone so far over its budget by that point that they barely covered its costs in spite of selling about three million copies. They didn't catch a break until "Pour Some Sugar On Me" was released as the fourth single and propelled the album back to the top of the charts.

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* Music/DefLeppard's most successful album, 1987's ''Music/{{Hysteria}}'', suffered from an immensely troubled production.
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They began working on it in late 1983 after completing the tour for their previous album ''Pyromania'' without that album's producer Creator/RobertJohnMuttLange, ''Pyromania'', aware that they'd [[ToughActToFollow likely struggle top a Diamond-certified album]]. Creator/RobertJohnMuttLange, whose work as producer had played no small part in ''Pyromania'''s success, was burned out from several years of steady work and had to take a break before recording even began. Meanwhile, ExecutiveMeddling resulted in the recruitment of Music/JimSteinman as producer over the band's objections; they soon clashed, with Steinman wanting a rawer sound more of the moment, while the band wanted to stick with the more polished sound that had brought them so much success. When Steinman failed to produce anything meaningful other than an early version of "Don't Shoot Shotgun" with the group he was sacked, but still had to be paid. The band attempted to produce the album themselves with the help of Lange's engineer, but sessions through 1984 were fruitless.
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Disaster struck in December 1984 on New Year's Even when drummer Rick Allen was involved in a car accident that resulted in the loss of his left arm, but he was determined to continue playing the drums with one arm and set about learning to play a modified electronic kit. Meanwhile, ExecutiveMeddling resulted in the recruitment of Music/JimSteinman as producer over the band's objections; when Steinman failed to produce anything meaningful with the group he was sacked, but still had to be paid. Eventually they finished the album with a returning Lange—although they weren't done with health issues yet. Production was further delayed both by ''another'' car accident which seriously injured Lange, but and then singer Joe Elliott came down with the mumps.
** By the time of its 1988 release
it had gone so far over its budget by that point that they barely covered its costs in spite of selling about three million copies. They didn't catch a break until "Pour Some Sugar On Me" was released as the fourth single and propelled the album back to the top of the charts.
22nd May '16 6:42:55 PM ThatsMyHorse
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** In 2006, Marshall experienced tons of critical and commercial success with ''The Greatest'', and in an interiview stated that she was all ready to go to record the next album and even went so far as to say [[RealLifeWritesThePlot that "Sun" was going to be the title]]. She also claimed most of the album was already written and that after finally having gotten away with lengthy financial issues including house foreclosure and bakruptcy, she was going to finance the album herself.

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** In 2006, Marshall experienced tons of critical and commercial success with ''The Greatest'', and in an interiview interview stated that she was all ready to go to record the next album and even went so far as to say [[RealLifeWritesThePlot that "Sun" was going to be the title]]. She also claimed most of the album was already written and that after finally having gotten away with lengthy financial issues including house foreclosure and bakruptcy, she was going to finance the album herself.
22nd May '16 6:33:51 PM ThatsMyHorse
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* The Music/BlueOysterCult were originally formed with the intention of realising Sandy Perlman's dream of turning his imaginative myth-cycle ''Imaginos'' into a full-blown rock epic. While material and ideas from ''Imaginos'' found their way onto the band's first few recorded albums, (especially 1974's ''Music/SecretTreaties'') the whole idea was largely forgotten and sidelined at their peak of big-venue commercial success, and an attempt to revive the original conceit is thought to have contributed to the original line-up splitting in some acrimony. When an LP ''called'' ''Imaginos'' was finally released in 1988, only two memberws of the original lineup remained, and the LP was put together with 80% of the input made by disinterested session musicians. The track listing told no coherent story, the record company realised it had a turkey on its hands, and the LP is not considered to be the band's finest hour. Very little from this album makes it into live concerts and nothing has escaped as part of any "Greatest Hits" collections.

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* The Music/BlueOysterCult were originally formed with the intention of realising Sandy Perlman's dream of turning his imaginative myth-cycle ''Imaginos'' into a full-blown rock epic. While material and ideas from ''Imaginos'' found their way onto the band's first few recorded albums, (especially 1974's ''Music/SecretTreaties'') the whole idea was largely forgotten and sidelined at their peak of big-venue commercial success, and an attempt to revive the original conceit is thought to have contributed to the original line-up splitting in some acrimony. When an LP ''called'' ''Imaginos'' was finally released in 1988, only two memberws members of the original lineup remained, and the LP was put together with 80% of the input made by disinterested session musicians. The track listing told no coherent story, the record company realised it had a turkey on its hands, and the LP is not considered to be the band's finest hour. Very little from this album makes it into live concerts and nothing has escaped as part of any "Greatest Hits" collections.
4th May '16 5:37:56 PM aye_amber
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** ''Music/AchtungBaby'' was recorded at first in Berlin's famous Hansa Ton Studios (formerly Hansa By The Wall, what with them being [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin right next to the Berlin Wall]]) starting in October 1990 (in fact, the band caught the last flight to East Berlin, days before reunification), at the same time that an intra-band conflict started up: Bono and The Edge, burned by the poor reception of ''Rattle and Hum'' and their own CreatorBacklash, wanted to go in a cyberpunk-industrial-electro-alternative-rock direction, inspired by the contemporary growth of the AlternativeRock, {{Shoegazing}} and Madchester scenes. Larry and Adam, on the other hand, wanted to keep the "old U2" sound. Hoping that they would be inspired by the post-Cold-War-ending euphoria, the band instead found the mood in Germany something of a malaise and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking their hotel really poor]], not to mention the "bad vibe" of recording in what had formerly been an SS ballroom, and their producers being forced to import recording equipment due to the studio being long neglected. Cue lots of arguments, fruitless jamming and little tangible progress despite the aid of producers BrianEno and Daniel Lanois, and Mullen admitted that the band came close to breaking up in the process. The [[HopeSpot turning point]] came as the band was jamming on an early version of "Mysterious Ways" and The Edge tried various chord progressions for the bridge. At Lanois' suggestion, the jam stopped and The Edge instead played the various attempts sequentially on an acoustic guitar. The result was something of an epiphany for the band, and they ended up writing "One". They decamped back to Ireland with the tapes in February 1991, and realised that the sessions had gone better than they'd imagined, and continued recording in a mansion in Elsinore nicknamed "Dog Town", which provided a more relaxed environment. Despite speedbumps like the band's confidence being affected by the Berlin sessions being stolen and bootlegged in April, and Eno intervening at one point to strip away excessive overdubbing (something the band credit with saving the album) and convincing them to take a two-week holiday a month before the deadline to regain focus, the band sorted everything out eventually, continuing to record and mix at a hectic pace until the label-imposed deadline of 21 September (including last-minute changes to "The Fly", "One" and "Mysterious Ways"; The Edge said he believes half of the work was done in the last three weeks to finalise the songs). The result? Only one of the most critically and commercially successful {{New Sound Album}}s that revitalised the band's career and still remains one of their most beloved albums.

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** ''Music/AchtungBaby'' was recorded at first in Berlin's famous Hansa Ton Studios (formerly Hansa By The Wall, what with them being [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin right next to the Berlin Wall]]) starting in October 1990 (in fact, the band caught the last flight to East Berlin, days before reunification), at the same time that an intra-band conflict started up: Bono and The Edge, burned by the poor reception of ''Rattle and Hum'' and their own CreatorBacklash, wanted to go in a cyberpunk-industrial-electro-alternative-rock direction, inspired by the contemporary growth of the AlternativeRock, {{Shoegazing}} and Madchester scenes. Larry and Adam, on the other hand, wanted to keep the "old U2" sound. Hoping that they would be inspired by the post-Cold-War-ending euphoria, the band instead found the mood in Germany something of a malaise and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking their hotel really poor]], not to mention the "bad vibe" of recording in what had formerly been an SS ballroom, and their producers being forced to import recording equipment due to the studio being long neglected. Cue lots of arguments, fruitless jamming and little tangible progress despite the aid of producers BrianEno Music/BrianEno and Daniel Lanois, and Mullen admitted that the band came close to breaking up in the process. The [[HopeSpot turning point]] came as the band was jamming on an early version of "Mysterious Ways" and The Edge tried various chord progressions for the bridge. At Lanois' suggestion, the jam stopped and The Edge instead played the various attempts sequentially on an acoustic guitar. The result was something of an epiphany for the band, and they ended up writing "One". They decamped back to Ireland with the tapes in February 1991, and realised that the sessions had gone better than they'd imagined, and continued recording in a mansion in Elsinore nicknamed "Dog Town", which provided a more relaxed environment. Despite speedbumps like the band's confidence being affected by the Berlin sessions being stolen and bootlegged in April, and Eno intervening at one point to strip away excessive overdubbing (something the band credit with saving the album) and convincing them to take a two-week holiday a month before the deadline to regain focus, the band sorted everything out eventually, continuing to record and mix at a hectic pace until the label-imposed deadline of 21 September (including last-minute changes to "The Fly", "One" and "Mysterious Ways"; The Edge said he believes half of the work was done in the last three weeks to finalise the songs). The result? Only one of the most critically and commercially successful {{New Sound Album}}s that revitalised the band's career and still remains one of their most beloved albums.
29th Apr '16 9:51:21 PM mlsmithca
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* ''The Human League'''s third album ''Dare'' had a much more troublesome production than the band's previous two albums, which were flops. The band had to be split in half, with two members continuing on with the project and the other two forming a new band. Replacement auditions were long, though they did settle on a new keyboardist. To add insult to injury, they were already in crippling debt and Virgin Records was looking to drop them like flies. Even under pressure, they recorded using then-new technology, which was being boycotted by traditional musicians, further getting in the way of production. Virgin Records insisted on using "Don't You Want Me Baby" as the lead single, even though the band hated it. Ultimately, the album would be released to commercial and critical success. To this day it is considered the band's only masterpiece, though it opened the door to their future popularity.

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* ''The Human League'''s Music/TheHumanLeague's third album ''Dare'' had a much more troublesome production than the band's previous two albums, which were flops. The band had to be split in half, with two members continuing on with the project and the other two forming a new band. Replacement auditions were long, though they did settle on a new keyboardist. To add insult to injury, they were already in crippling debt and Virgin Records was looking to drop them like flies. Even under pressure, they recorded using then-new technology, which was being boycotted by traditional musicians, further getting in the way of production. Virgin Records insisted on using "Don't You Want Me Baby" as the lead single, even though the band hated it. Ultimately, the album would be released to commercial and critical success. To this day it is considered the band's only masterpiece, though it opened the door to their future popularity.
26th Apr '16 1:42:32 AM aye_amber
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* Music/TheHumanLeague's third album ''Dare'' had a much more troublesome production than the band's previous two albums, which were flops. The band had to be split in half, with two members continuing on with the project and the other two forming a new band. Replacement auditions were long, though they did settle on a new keyboardist. To add insult to injury, they were already in crippling debt and Virgin Records was looking to drop them like flies. Even under pressure, they recorded using then-new technology, which was being boycotted by traditional musicians, further getting in the way of production. Virgin Records insisted on using "Don't You Want Me Baby" as the lead single, even though the band hated it. Ultimately, the album would be released to commercial and critical success. To this day it is considered the band's only masterpiece, though it opened the door to their future popularity.

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* Music/TheHumanLeague's ''The Human League'''s third album ''Dare'' had a much more troublesome production than the band's previous two albums, which were flops. The band had to be split in half, with two members continuing on with the project and the other two forming a new band. Replacement auditions were long, though they did settle on a new keyboardist. To add insult to injury, they were already in crippling debt and Virgin Records was looking to drop them like flies. Even under pressure, they recorded using then-new technology, which was being boycotted by traditional musicians, further getting in the way of production. Virgin Records insisted on using "Don't You Want Me Baby" as the lead single, even though the band hated it. Ultimately, the album would be released to commercial and critical success. To this day it is considered the band's only masterpiece, though it opened the door to their future popularity.
8th Apr '16 5:56:59 PM mlsmithca
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* While at least one member of Music/FleetwoodMac (see below) had an idea for what to do following a big mid-'70s success, none of the Eagles did. That's why it took them three years to record their followup to ''Hotel California''. Appropriately titled ''The Long Run'', it wound up [[CreatorKiller ending the band's classic years]].

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* While at least one member of Music/FleetwoodMac (see below) had an idea for what to do following a big mid-'70s success, none of the Eagles did. That's why it took them three years to record their followup to ''Hotel California''. Appropriately titled ''The Long Run'', it wound up [[CreatorKiller ending the band's classic years]].



** Filming went on for so long (almost a week, long for a video at the time (and even now)) that even Jackie, Marlon and Tito stopped showing up. The head of the wax dummy ended up in the salad bowl at lunch at one point. The production company went bankrupt as a result of the cost overruns, about the last thing they had expected would happen as a result of hitching their wagon to the Jacksons' star. (See also the Victory Tour below.)

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** Filming went on for so long (almost a week, long for a video at the time (and even now)) that even Jackie, Marlon and Tito stopped showing up. The head of the wax dummy ended up in the salad bowl at lunch at one point. The production company went bankrupt as a result of the cost overruns, about the last thing they had expected would happen as a result of hitching their wagon to the Jacksons' star. (See also the Victory Tour below.Tour.)
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