History Trivia / Vertigo

5th Jun '17 8:12:31 AM AmuckCricetine
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* FollowTheLeader: Creator/BrianDePalma's ''Body Double'', but with claustrophobia instead of acrophobia.

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* FollowTheLeader: Creator/BrianDePalma's ''Body Double'', ''Film/BodyDouble'', but with claustrophobia instead of acrophobia.
5th Jun '17 8:10:37 AM AmuckCricetine
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* PlayingAgainstType: Creator/JimmyStewart in a not very heroic part.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: As noted above, Hitchcock's first choice for the role of Madeleine/Judy was Vera Miles. Hitchcock intended this to be her StarMakingRole after she had played the main lead in Film/TheWrongMan, a preceding film of TheFifties. Some have theorized that he saw Miles as the SpiritualSuccessor of Creator/GraceKelly and Creator/IngridBergman. Her pregnancy meant she couldn't commit to the part at the time which Hitchcock greatly regretted and never stopped complaining about.[[note]]Hitchcock generally resented the fact that actresses he developed a strong working rapport with, such as Creator/IngridBergman and Creator/GraceKelly, would get married and become inaccessible for his later projects, many of which he had planned with roles with them in mind, which he had to give up and shelve indefinitely. ''Vertigo'' was one of the few cases [[SunkCostFallacy where he had to more or less go ahead with the project]] in less than ideal conditions[[/note]]

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As noted above, Hitchcock's first choice for the role of Madeleine/Judy was Vera Miles. Hitchcock intended this to be her StarMakingRole after she had played the main lead in Film/TheWrongMan, ''Film/TheWrongMan'', a preceding film of TheFifties. Some have theorized that he saw Miles as the SpiritualSuccessor of Creator/GraceKelly and Creator/IngridBergman. Her pregnancy meant she couldn't commit to the part at the time which Hitchcock greatly regretted and never stopped complaining about.[[note]]Hitchcock generally resented the fact that actresses he developed a strong working rapport with, such as Creator/IngridBergman and Creator/GraceKelly, would get married and become inaccessible for his later projects, many of which he had planned with roles with them in mind, which he had to give up and shelve indefinitely. ''Vertigo'' was one of the few cases [[SunkCostFallacy where he had to more or less go ahead with the project]] in less than ideal conditions[[/note]]conditions[[/note]]
** Hitchcock originally wanted to cast Creator/LanaTurner in the lead role, but she "wanted too much loot" and was dropped from consideration. Creator/AudreyHepburn was also interested.
** Creator/JosephCotten, Lee J. Cobb and Everett Sloane were considered for Gavin Elster.
5th Apr '17 3:34:32 PM JulianLapostat
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** While many enthusiasts and critics consider his score a masterpiece, Music/BernardHerrmann was rather cheesed off about ''Vertigo''. His main gripe was that he didn't conduct and orchestrate the music. He was one of the few composers of that era who insisted on total creative control who not only wrote his musical scores but personally orchestrated and conducted musicians. For ''Vertigo'', a musicians' strike meant that the orchestration was done in England, conducted by Muir Matheson (a highly respected professional in the field), which was still not good enough because he did feel the composition was one of his best works, and regretted the fact that he never put his own official version on the score[[note]]There is no recording of Herrmann's rendition of ''Vertigo'[[/note]]. Herrmann also didn't like the movie a great deal and preferred other Hitchcock films. He felt that it should not have been set in San Francisco, and like Hitchcock, felt Stewart was miscast, albeit for different reasons.[[note]]Herrmann felt that someone like Charles Boyer (older than Stewart who also ''looked'' older unlike him) would have been more appropriate for the role of an obsessively romantic male hero. He felt Stewart was too nice and everyman-like to get audiences to buy that someone like him would risk his sanity and his career for a romantic fantasy.[[/note]]

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** While many enthusiasts and critics consider his score a masterpiece, Music/BernardHerrmann was rather cheesed off about ''Vertigo''. His main gripe was that he didn't conduct and orchestrate the music. He was one of the few composers of that era who insisted on total creative control who not only wrote his musical scores but personally orchestrated and conducted musicians. For ''Vertigo'', a musicians' strike meant that the orchestration was done in England, conducted by Muir Matheson (a highly respected professional in the field), which was still not good enough because he did feel the composition was one of his best works, and regretted the fact that he never put his own official version on the score[[note]]There score (There is no recording of Herrmann's rendition of ''Vertigo'[[/note]].''Vertigo''). Herrmann also didn't like the movie a great deal and preferred other Hitchcock films. He felt that it should not have been set in San Francisco, and like Hitchcock, felt Stewart was miscast, albeit for different reasons. [[note]]Herrmann felt that someone like Charles Boyer (older who was both older than Stewart who and also ''looked'' looked older unlike him) than his age would have been more appropriate for the role of an obsessively romantic male hero. He felt Stewart was too nice and everyman-like to get audiences to buy that someone like him would risk his sanity and his career for a romantic fantasy.[[/note]]
5th Apr '17 3:32:15 PM JulianLapostat
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** While many enthusiasts and critics consider his score a masterpiece, Music/BernardHerrmann was rather cheesed off about ''Vertigo''. His main gripe was that he didn't conduct and orchestrate the music. He was one of the few composers of that era who insisted on total creative control who not only wrote his musical scores but personally orchestrated and conducted musicians. For ''Vertigo'', a musicians' strike meant that the orchestration was done in England, conducted by Muir Matheson (a highly respected professional in the field), which was still not good enough because he did feel the composition was one of his best works, and regretted the fact that he never put his own official version on the score[[note]]There is no recording of Herrmann's rendition of ''Vertigo'[[/note]]. Herrmann also didn't like the movie a great deal and preferred other Hitchcock films. He felt that it should not have been set in San Francisco, and like Hitchcock, felt Stewart was miscast and that someone like Charles Boyer would have been more appropriate.

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** While many enthusiasts and critics consider his score a masterpiece, Music/BernardHerrmann was rather cheesed off about ''Vertigo''. His main gripe was that he didn't conduct and orchestrate the music. He was one of the few composers of that era who insisted on total creative control who not only wrote his musical scores but personally orchestrated and conducted musicians. For ''Vertigo'', a musicians' strike meant that the orchestration was done in England, conducted by Muir Matheson (a highly respected professional in the field), which was still not good enough because he did feel the composition was one of his best works, and regretted the fact that he never put his own official version on the score[[note]]There is no recording of Herrmann's rendition of ''Vertigo'[[/note]]. Herrmann also didn't like the movie a great deal and preferred other Hitchcock films. He felt that it should not have been set in San Francisco, and like Hitchcock, felt Stewart was miscast and miscast, albeit for different reasons.[[note]]Herrmann felt that someone like Charles Boyer (older than Stewart who also ''looked'' older unlike him) would have been more appropriate.appropriate for the role of an obsessively romantic male hero. He felt Stewart was too nice and everyman-like to get audiences to buy that someone like him would risk his sanity and his career for a romantic fantasy.[[/note]]
25th Feb '17 8:43:27 PM JulianLapostat
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: As noted above, Hitchcock's first choice for the role of Madeleine/Judy was Vera Miles. Hitchcock intended this to be her StarMakingRole after she had played the main lead in Film/TheWrongMan, a preceding film of TheFifties. Some have theorized that he saw Miles as the SpiritualSuccessor of Creator/GraceKelly and Creator/IngridBergman. Her pregnancy meant she couldn't commit to the part at the time which Hitchcock greatly regretted and never stopped complaining about.[[note]]Hitchcock generally resented the fact that actresses he developed a strong working rapport with, such as Creator/IngridBergman and Creator/GraceKelly, would get married and become inaccessible for his later projects, many of which he had planned with roles with them in mind, which he had to give up and shelve indefinitely. ''Vertigo'' was one of the few cases where he had to more or less go ahead with the project in less than ideal conditions[[/note]]

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: As noted above, Hitchcock's first choice for the role of Madeleine/Judy was Vera Miles. Hitchcock intended this to be her StarMakingRole after she had played the main lead in Film/TheWrongMan, a preceding film of TheFifties. Some have theorized that he saw Miles as the SpiritualSuccessor of Creator/GraceKelly and Creator/IngridBergman. Her pregnancy meant she couldn't commit to the part at the time which Hitchcock greatly regretted and never stopped complaining about.[[note]]Hitchcock generally resented the fact that actresses he developed a strong working rapport with, such as Creator/IngridBergman and Creator/GraceKelly, would get married and become inaccessible for his later projects, many of which he had planned with roles with them in mind, which he had to give up and shelve indefinitely. ''Vertigo'' was one of the few cases [[SunkCostFallacy where he had to more or less go ahead with the project project]] in less than ideal conditions[[/note]]
25th Feb '17 8:40:59 PM JulianLapostat
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** While many enthusiasts and critics consider his score a masterpiece, Music/BernardHerrmann was rather cheesed off about ''Vertigo''. His main gripe was that he didn't conduct and orchestrate the music. He was one of the few composers of that era who insisted on total creative control who not only wrote his musical scores but personally orchestrated and conducted musicians. For ''Vertigo'', a musicians' strike meant that the orchestration was done in England, conducted by Muir Matheson (a highly respected professional in the field), which was still not good enough because he did feel the composition was one of his best works, and regretted the fact that he never put his own official version on the score[[note]]There is no recording of Herrmann's rendition of ''Vertigo'[[/note]]. Herrmann also didn't like the movie a great deal and preferred other Hitchcock films. He felt that it should not have been set in San Francisco, and like Hitchcock, felt Stewart was miscast and that someone like Creator/CharlesBoyer would have been more appropriate.

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** While many enthusiasts and critics consider his score a masterpiece, Music/BernardHerrmann was rather cheesed off about ''Vertigo''. His main gripe was that he didn't conduct and orchestrate the music. He was one of the few composers of that era who insisted on total creative control who not only wrote his musical scores but personally orchestrated and conducted musicians. For ''Vertigo'', a musicians' strike meant that the orchestration was done in England, conducted by Muir Matheson (a highly respected professional in the field), which was still not good enough because he did feel the composition was one of his best works, and regretted the fact that he never put his own official version on the score[[note]]There is no recording of Herrmann's rendition of ''Vertigo'[[/note]]. Herrmann also didn't like the movie a great deal and preferred other Hitchcock films. He felt that it should not have been set in San Francisco, and like Hitchcock, felt Stewart was miscast and that someone like Creator/CharlesBoyer Charles Boyer would have been more appropriate.
25th Feb '17 8:40:35 PM JulianLapostat
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* CreatorBacklash: Creator/AlfredHitchcock was really devastated by the poor reception to this film. He blamed it on James Stewart for being "too old" for his role, and never worked with him again. He also later said that Kim Novak was miscast.

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Creator/AlfredHitchcock in his interviews with Creator/FrancoisTruffaut said that he considered ''Vertigo'' one of his best films, but he admitted that it was really devastated by imperfect and in other interviews, he blamed the poor reception to this film. He blamed it on miscasting James Stewart for being Stewart, saying he was perhaps "too old" for his role, and never worked with him again. role. He also later said that Kim Novak was miscast.miscast and that he regretted the fact that his first choice Vera Miles did not play the part. Later scholars, noting Hitchcock's tendency [[UnreliableNarrator for obfuscation]] have questioned this. Stewart was always Hitchcock's first choice for the part, and the film he made after ''Vertigo'' had Creator/CaryGrant who was ''older'' than Stewart. Kim Novak however was indeed forced by the studio, and Hitchcock developed a rapport with Vera Miles who he directed in Film/TheWrongMan[[note]]She would later play Lila Crane in Film/{{Psycho}}[[/note]] and indeed the original costumes designed by Edith Head for Madeleine was made with Miles in mind.
** While many enthusiasts and critics consider his score a masterpiece, Music/BernardHerrmann was rather cheesed off about ''Vertigo''. His main gripe was that he didn't conduct and orchestrate the music. He was one of the few composers of that era who insisted on total creative control who not only wrote his musical scores but personally orchestrated and conducted musicians. For ''Vertigo'', a musicians' strike meant that the orchestration was done in England, conducted by Muir Matheson (a highly respected professional in the field), which was still not good enough because he did feel the composition was one of his best works, and regretted the fact that he never put his own official version on the score[[note]]There is no recording of Herrmann's rendition of ''Vertigo'[[/note]]. Herrmann also didn't like the movie a great deal and preferred other Hitchcock films. He felt that it should not have been set in San Francisco, and like Hitchcock, felt Stewart was miscast and that someone like Creator/CharlesBoyer would have been more appropriate.



* DeletedScene: During the film's production, a tacked-on ending scene set in Midge's apartment was shot, offering a clearer exposition of Elster's and Scottie's fates. It was shot for overseas prints of the film in countries whose censor boards were tougher than [[UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode the Hays Office]] (which, by 1958, was a lot more lenient and was entering its twilight), and was eventually included as an extra on various home video releases.
* DoingItForTheArt: It took a week to film the brief scene of Madeline staring at the painting of Carlotta, just because Hitchcock wanted to get the lighting right.
* EnforcedMethodActing: In order to differentiate her two characters, Kim Novak wore tight and stiff costumes for Madeline - the grey suit was especially uncomfortable for her to wear. But for Judy's costumes, she went braless to make herself feel more comfortable.

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* DeletedScene: During the film's production, a tacked-on ending scene set in Midge's apartment was shot, offering a clearer exposition of Elster's and Scottie's fates. It was shot for overseas prints of the film in countries whose censor boards were tougher than [[UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode the Hays Office]] (which, by 1958, was a lot more lenient and was entering its twilight), and was eventually included as an extra on various home video releases.
releases. It was never screened in America on original release and was definitely not Hitchcock's preferred ending.
* DoingItForTheArt: DoingItForTheArt:
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It took a week to film the brief scene of Madeline staring at the painting of Carlotta, just because Hitchcock wanted to get the lighting right.
right. The famous shot of Madeleine's silhouette at Ernie's Restaurant (when Scottie first sees her) was actually a composite of inserts from the original production and reshoots taken long after production had finished because Hitchcock was not entirely satisfied with it.
** Hitchcock wanted a certain realism for the film but he hated shooting on location [[DirtyBusiness unless absolutely unavoidable]]. For the scenes set in Ernie's, the famous real-life restaurant (which shut down in 1995), Hitchcock recreated the entire restaurant in detail in Paramount's studio lot, and ''then'' he brought the entire staff and regular patrons to act as extras in the studio version of Ernie's.
* EnforcedMethodActing: In order to differentiate her two characters, Kim Novak wore tight The fact that the role of Madeleine/Judy was intended for Vera Miles and stiff the costumes for Madeline - the Madeleine was designed by Edith Head with Miles in mind allowed Kim Novak to immerse herself into a role of a woman trapped by a man's obsession of shaping her into an ideal image. The grey suit was especially uncomfortable for Novak to wear, because it hadn't been designed for her to wear. But for Judy's costumes, she went braless to make herself feel more comfortable.at all. As such Madeleine comes across as strained, affected and a little distant while Judy is natural and truly herself.



* {{Jossed}}: For years it was rumoured that Kim Novak dubbed the final line of the film, by the nun. It was even written into the script notes. Kim Novak herself denied this.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Creator/LanaTurner was the first choice for the female lead, but "wanted too much loot". Creator/AudreyHepburn also expressed interest in playing the parts.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Creator/LanaTurner was the As noted above, Hitchcock's first choice for the female lead, but "wanted too much loot". Creator/AudreyHepburn also expressed interest in playing role of Madeleine/Judy was Vera Miles. Hitchcock intended this to be her StarMakingRole after she had played the parts.main lead in Film/TheWrongMan, a preceding film of TheFifties. Some have theorized that he saw Miles as the SpiritualSuccessor of Creator/GraceKelly and Creator/IngridBergman. Her pregnancy meant she couldn't commit to the part at the time which Hitchcock greatly regretted and never stopped complaining about.[[note]]Hitchcock generally resented the fact that actresses he developed a strong working rapport with, such as Creator/IngridBergman and Creator/GraceKelly, would get married and become inaccessible for his later projects, many of which he had planned with roles with them in mind, which he had to give up and shelve indefinitely. ''Vertigo'' was one of the few cases where he had to more or less go ahead with the project in less than ideal conditions[[/note]]
27th Nov '16 2:14:37 PM eroock
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* FollowTheLeader: Creator/BrianDePalma's ''Body Double'', but with claustrophobia instead of acrophobia.
22nd Nov '16 9:27:37 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* CreatorBacklash: Hitchcock was really devastated by the poor reception to this film. He blamed it on James Stewart for being "too old" for his role, and never worked with him again. He also later said that Kim Novak was miscast.
* DawsonCasting: Scottie and Midge are meant to be the same age, but James Stewart was fifteen years older than Barbara Bel Geddes. He was also twenty-four years older than Kim Novak.

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* CreatorBacklash: Hitchcock Creator/AlfredHitchcock was really devastated by the poor reception to this film. He blamed it on James Stewart for being "too old" for his role, and never worked with him again. He also later said that Kim Novak was miscast.
* DawsonCasting: Scottie and Midge are meant to be the same age, but James Stewart Creator/JamesStewart was fifteen years older than Barbara Bel Geddes. He was also twenty-four years older than Kim Novak.



* LyingCreator: Hitchcock claimed for years that his wife hated the film. Alma Reville actually loved it when she first saw it.
* TheOtherMarty: Hitchcock originally cast Vera Miles as Madeline. She performed a costume test and modelled for an early version of Carlotta's portrait, but had to leave the project after becoming pregnant.

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* LyingCreator: Hitchcock Creator/AlfredHitchcock claimed for years that his wife hated the film. Alma Reville actually loved it when she first saw it.
* TheOtherMarty: Hitchcock Creator/AlfredHitchcock originally cast Vera Miles as Madeline. She performed a costume test and modelled for an early version of Carlotta's portrait, but had to leave the project after becoming pregnant.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Lana Turner was the first choice for the female lead, but "wanted too much loot". Audrey Hepburn also expressed interest in playing the parts.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Lana Turner Creator/LanaTurner was the first choice for the female lead, but "wanted too much loot". Audrey Hepburn Creator/AudreyHepburn also expressed interest in playing the parts.
6th Oct '16 9:08:46 AM fearlessnikki
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* CreatorBacklash: Hitchcock was really devastated by the poor reception to this film. He blamed it on James Stewart for being "too old" for his role, and never worked with him again. He also later said that Kim Novak was miscast.
* DawsonCasting: Scottie and Midge are meant to be the same age, but James Stewart was fifteen years older than Barbara Bel Geddes. He was also twenty-four years older than Kim Novak.



* TheOtherMarty: Hitchcock originally cast Vera Miles as Madeline. She performed a costume test and modeled for an early version of Carlotta's portrait, but had to leave the project after becoming pregnant.

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* DoingItForTheArt: It took a week to film the brief scene of Madeline staring at the painting of Carlotta, just because Hitchcock wanted to get the lighting right.
* EnforcedMethodActing: In order to differentiate her two characters, Kim Novak wore tight and stiff costumes for Madeline - the grey suit was especially uncomfortable for her to wear. But for Judy's costumes, she went braless to make herself feel more comfortable.
* {{Jossed}}: For years it was rumoured that Kim Novak dubbed the final line of the film, by the nun. It was even written into the script notes. Kim Novak herself denied this.
* LyingCreator: Hitchcock claimed for years that his wife hated the film. Alma Reville actually loved it when she first saw it.
* TheOtherMarty: Hitchcock originally cast Vera Miles as Madeline. She performed a costume test and modeled modelled for an early version of Carlotta's portrait, but had to leave the project after becoming pregnant.




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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Lana Turner was the first choice for the female lead, but "wanted too much loot". Audrey Hepburn also expressed interest in playing the parts.
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