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* LyingCreator: Throughout the promotional cycle for ''Clancy'', Tyler consistently claimed that the album would serve as the GrandFinale to the Trench saga and insisted that the story would have a definitive ending partially told through the music videos that would be made for every song on the album. As it turned out, the album was not particularly conceptual, with only the opening and closing songs lyrically addressing the Dema story. Also, while Tyler was always upfront that not all of the music videos would contain direct lore elements, ultimately only "Navigating" turned out to have anything to do with the story. Finally, at the time of its inital release, the album lacked any firm conclusion. Clancy only confronts Nico in the final verse of the album, with no resolution given to their conflict or the wider battle between the bishops and the banditos, and "Paladin Strait" was the only song on the album ''not'' to initially receive a music video, with that slated for release a few weeks later. Many have interpreted this as Tyler being a TrollingCreator; notably, before signing off of the album release livestream, Tyler asked the audience if "Paladin Strait" sounded like an ending, seemingly teeing up the ''actual'' conclusion to come either with the music video or a later project.

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* LyingCreator: Throughout the promotional cycle for ''Clancy'', Tyler consistently claimed that the album would serve as the GrandFinale to the Trench saga and insisted that the story would have a definitive ending partially told through the music videos that would be made for every song on the album. As it turned out, the album was not particularly conceptual, with only the opening and closing songs lyrically addressing the Dema story. Also, while Tyler was always upfront that not all of the music videos would contain direct lore elements, ultimately only "Navigating" turned out to have one other video, "Navigating", had anything to do with the story. Finally, at the time of its inital release, the album lacked any firm conclusion. Clancy only confronts Nico in the final verse of the album, with no resolution given to their conflict or the wider battle between the bishops and the banditos, and "Paladin Strait" was the only song on the album ''not'' to initially receive a music video, with that slated for release a few weeks later. Many have interpreted this as Tyler being a TrollingCreator; notably, before signing off of the album release livestream, Tyler asked the audience if "Paladin Strait" sounded like an ending, seemingly teeing up the ''actual'' conclusion to come either with the music video or a later project.
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* MagnumOpusDissonance: While fans disagree on which of their songs are the best, it's clear which songs the band prefers. "Ode to Sleep" and "The Judge" are non-singles that both Tyler and Josh regularly say are their favorite tracks to play live. Tyler has also often claimed that the lyrics of "Taxi Cab" are some of his personal favorites, even though the band did not play the track live for years prior to its return in 2018.
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** Jenna and Josh's brother Jordan appear watching the band perform on the ice in "Midwest Indigo".
* ReleaseDateChange: ''Clancy'' was delayed one week from its original announced release date. The band claimed that this was to complete music videos for all of the album tracks (though they ultimately did not release "Paladin Strait"'s video with the rest of the album), but many speculated this was to not compete Music/BillieEilish's ''Hit Me Hard and Soft'' after it was announced that it would release on the same date.

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** Tyler confessed in a concert during the ''Scaled and Icy'' era that he wrote "Saturday" mainly to be a commercial hit, which "didn't quite pan out"; in "Backslide", from the following album ''Clancy'', he at one point states, "Kinda wishing that I never did 'Saturday'."

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** Tyler confessed in a concert during the ''Scaled and Icy'' era that he wrote "Saturday" mainly to be a commercial hit, which "didn't quite pan out"; in out". In "Backslide", from the following album ''Clancy'', he at one point states, "Kinda wishing that I never did 'Saturday'.""
** Notably, the first five live performances of the ''Clancy'' era, performed in small venues to crowds that had to pass ''tests'' on the band's lore to attend, featured full-length setlists devoid of "Stressed Out", "Ride", "Heathens", and "Saturday".



* LyingCreator: Throughout the promotional cycle for ''Clancy'', Tyler consistently claimed that the album was going to serve as the GrandFinale to the Trench saga and insisted that the story would have a definitive ending partially told through the music videos that would be made for every song on the album. As it turned out, the album was not particularly conceptual, with only the opening and closing songs lyrically addressing the Dema story. Also, while Tyler was always upfront that only some of the music videos would contain any direct lore elements, ultimately only "Navigating" turned out to have anything to do with the story. Finally, at the time of its inital release, the album lacked any firm conclusion. Clancy only confronts Nico in the final verse of the album, with no resolution given to their conflict or the wider battle between the bishops and the banditos, and "Paladin Strait" was the only song on the album ''not'' to initially receive a music video, with that slated for release a few weeks later. Many have interpreted this as an example of TrollingCreator; notably, before debuting the song on the album release timestream, Tyler asked the audience if "Paladin Strait" sounded like an ending before signing off, seemingly teeing up the ''actual'' ending to come either with the music video or a later project.

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* LyingCreator: Throughout the promotional cycle for ''Clancy'', Tyler consistently claimed that the album was going to would serve as the GrandFinale to the Trench saga and insisted that the story would have a definitive ending partially told through the music videos that would be made for every song on the album. As it turned out, the album was not particularly conceptual, with only the opening and closing songs lyrically addressing the Dema story. Also, while Tyler was always upfront that only some not all of the music videos would contain any direct lore elements, ultimately only "Navigating" turned out to have anything to do with the story. Finally, at the time of its inital release, the album lacked any firm conclusion. Clancy only confronts Nico in the final verse of the album, with no resolution given to their conflict or the wider battle between the bishops and the banditos, and "Paladin Strait" was the only song on the album ''not'' to initially receive a music video, with that slated for release a few weeks later. Many have interpreted this as an example of Tyler being a TrollingCreator; notably, before debuting the song on signing off of the album release timestream, livestream, Tyler asked the audience if "Paladin Strait" sounded like an ending before signing off, ending, seemingly teeing up the ''actual'' ending conclusion to come either with the music video or a later project.
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* LyingCreator: Throughout the promotional cycle for ''Clancy'', Tyler consistently claimed that the album was going to serve as the GrandFinale to the Trench saga and insisted that the story would have a definitive ending partially told through the music videos that would be made for every song on the album. As it turned out, the album was not particularly conceptual, with only the opening and closing songs lyrically addressing the Dema story. Also, while Tyler was always upfront that only some of the music videos would contain any direct lore elements, ultimately only "Navigating" turned out to have anything to do with the story. Finally, at the time of its inital release, the album lacked any firm conclusion. Clancy only confronts Nico in the final verse of the album, with no resolution given to their conflict or the wider battle between the bishops and the banditos, and "Paladin Strait" was the only song on the album ''not'' to initially receive a music video, with that slated for release a few weeks later. Many have interpreted this as an example of TrollingCreator; notably, before debuting the song on the album release timestream, Tyler asked the audience if "Paladin Strait" sounded like an ending before signing off, seemingly teeing up the ''actual'' ending to come either with the music video or a later project.

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** Somewhat of an example with their first two albums. Tyler regularly refers to them as "mixtapes" and [[https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/arts/music/twenty-one-pilots-trench.html "products he tossed together for the merchandise table"]], and [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/9mi18l/ama_hey_we_are_tyler_and_josh_from_twenty_one/e7eqvtk once acted amnesiac]] when asked about ''Regional At Best''. Even still, songs from those albums are occasionally played at concerts, and Tyler has stated in interviews that while there are elements he considers "sonically wrong" about those amateur projects, they are an honest representation of that stage of his life and career.
** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first since it sounded more like the name of an '80s rock song to him.



** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first since it sounded more like the name of an '80s rock song to him.
** Tyler confessed in a concert during the ''Scaled and Icy'' era that he wrote "Saturday" mainly to be a commercial hit; in the lyrics to "Backslide" on the following album, he states that he's "Kinda wishing that I never did "Saturday"."

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** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first since it sounded more like the name of an '80s rock song to him.
** Tyler confessed in a concert during the ''Scaled and Icy'' era that he wrote "Saturday" mainly to be a commercial hit; hit, which "didn't quite pan out"; in the lyrics to "Backslide" on "Backslide", from the following album, album ''Clancy'', he states that he's at one point states, "Kinda wishing that I never did "Saturday".'Saturday'."



* OldShame: Kinda. Tyler regularly refers to the first two albums as "mixtapes" and [[https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/arts/music/twenty-one-pilots-trench.html "products he tossed together for the merchandise table"]] and [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/9mi18l/ama_hey_we_are_tyler_and_josh_from_twenty_one/e7eqvtk acts amnesiac]] when asked about ''Regional At Best''. Even still, songs from those albums are occasionally played at concerts, and Tyler has stated in interviews that while there are elements he considers "sonically wrong" about those amateur projects, they are an honest representation of that stage of his life and career.
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** Tyler confessed in a concert during the ''Scaled and Icy'' era that he wrote "Saturday" mainly to be a commercial hit; in the lyrics to "Backslide" on the following album, he states that he's, "Kinda wishing that I never did "Saturday"."

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** Tyler confessed in a concert during the ''Scaled and Icy'' era that he wrote "Saturday" mainly to be a commercial hit; in the lyrics to "Backslide" on the following album, he states that he's, he's "Kinda wishing that I never did "Saturday"."
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** Tyler confessed in a concert during the ''Scaled and Icy'' era that he wrote "Saturday" mainly to be a commercial hit; in the lyrics to "Backslide" on the following album, he states that he's, "Kinda wishing that I never did "Saturday"."
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** "House of Gold" is much more genuinely happy and upbeat than [[LyricalDissonance most of their songs]] and contains no rapping. This led to many stories of people who enjoyed "House of Gold" and wanted to check out more of the band's work, so the next song they came to would be the band's ''other'' most popular song at the time of its release... "Car Radio", a moody and eclectic song with rap verses about struggling with dark, intrusive thoughts.

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** "House of Gold" is much more genuinely happy and upbeat than [[LyricalDissonance most of their songs]] and contains no rapping. rapping, instead being an indie[=/=]folk song about Tyler's love for his mother. This led to many stories of people who enjoyed "House of Gold" the song and wanted to check out more of the band's work, so the next song they came to would be the band's ''other'' most popular song at the time of its release... "Car Radio", a moody and eclectic song with rap verses about struggling with dark, intrusive thoughts.



** After "Stressed Out" became a major radio hit, Tyler began to display some signs of this in interviews, culminating in a performance of the song at a Cleveland concert where he swapped its opening verse out for an alternate verse about how overplayed it had become. This backlash was caused not by any personal distaste for the track, but rather Tyler's perceptions that his song had been co-opted by people who didn't know or care about him and that the fanbase was experiencing HypeBacklash from the song's constant radio play.

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** After "Stressed Out" became a major radio hit, Tyler began to display some signs of this in interviews, culminating in a performance of the song at a Cleveland concert where he swapped its opening verse out for an alternate verse about how overplayed he felt it had become. This backlash was caused not by any personal distaste for the track, but rather Tyler's perceptions that his song had been co-opted by people who didn't know or care about him and that the fanbase was experiencing HypeBacklash from the song's constant radio play.



* PromotedFanboy: Josh actually started out as a fan of the band when Nick and Chris were in it, and was personally approached by Chris -- who he had worked alongside at Guitar Center for three years -- with the offer of replacing him just as he quit his job and was planning on moving to Nashville to forge a drum career. Josh has gone on record stating, [[https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/life_and_entertainment/2012/10/18/1-twenty-one-pilots-art-gn8jqp4s-1.html "I loved everything about the band, except for one thing: I wasn’t in it."]]

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* PromotedFanboy: Josh actually started out as a fan of the band when Nick and Chris were in it, and was personally approached by Chris -- who he had worked alongside at Guitar Center for three years -- with the offer of replacing him just as he quit his job and was planning on moving to Nashville to forge a drum career. Josh has gone on record stating, was once quoted saying, [[https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/life_and_entertainment/2012/10/18/1-twenty-one-pilots-art-gn8jqp4s-1.html "I loved everything about the band, except for one thing: I wasn’t in it."]]
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** "House of Gold" is much more genuinely happy and upbeat than [[LyricalDissonance most of their songs]] and contains no rapping. This led to many stories of people who enjoyed "House of Gold" and wanted to check out more of the band's work, so the next song they came to would be the band's ''other'' most popular song... "Car Radio", a moody and eclectic song with rap verses about dark, intrusive thoughts.

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** "House of Gold" is much more genuinely happy and upbeat than [[LyricalDissonance most of their songs]] and contains no rapping. This led to many stories of people who enjoyed "House of Gold" and wanted to check out more of the band's work, so the next song they came to would be the band's ''other'' most popular song... song at the time of its release... "Car Radio", a moody and eclectic song with rap verses about struggling with dark, intrusive thoughts.



** Tyler's violent love interest in the video for "Tear In My Heart" is played by his wife, Jenna.

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** Tyler's violent love interest in the video for "Tear In My Heart" is played by his wife, wife Jenna.
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** "House of Gold" is much more genuinely happy and upbeat than [[LyricalDissonance most of their songs]] and contains no rapping. This led to many stories of people who enjoyed "House of Gold" and wanted to check out more of the bands work, so of course the next song they came to would be the band's ''other'' most popular song... "[[MoodWhiplash Car Radio]]".
** The diversity of their sound gives this quality to almost ''any'' of their songs that gains popularity. Stories like this spring up regularly for people whose first song was the pop-rock love ballad "Tear In My Heart" or the laid-back hip-hop track "Stressed Out".

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** "House of Gold" is much more genuinely happy and upbeat than [[LyricalDissonance most of their songs]] and contains no rapping. This led to many stories of people who enjoyed "House of Gold" and wanted to check out more of the bands band's work, so of course the next song they came to would be the band's ''other'' most popular song... "[[MoodWhiplash Car Radio]]".
"Car Radio", a moody and eclectic song with rap verses about dark, intrusive thoughts.
** The diversity of their sound gives this quality to almost ''any'' of their songs that gains popularity. Stories like this spring up regularly for people whose first song was the pop-rock love ballad "Tear In My Heart" or the laid-back hip-hop track "Stressed Out".



** After "Stressed Out" became a major radio hit, Tyler began to display some signs of this in interviews, culminating in a performance of the song at a Cleveland concert where he sang an alternate verse about how overplayed it had become. This backlash was caused not by any personal distaste for the track, but rather Tyler's perceptions that his song had been co-opted by people who didn't know or care about him and that the fanbase was experiencing HypeBacklash from the song's constant radio play.
** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first, since it sounded more like the name of an '80s rock song to him.

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** After "Stressed Out" became a major radio hit, Tyler began to display some signs of this in interviews, culminating in a performance of the song at a Cleveland concert where he sang swapped its opening verse out for an alternate verse about how overplayed it had become. This backlash was caused not by any personal distaste for the track, but rather Tyler's perceptions that his song had been co-opted by people who didn't know or care about him and that the fanbase was experiencing HypeBacklash from the song's constant radio play.
** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first, first since it sounded more like the name of an '80s rock song to him.
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** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first, since it sounded more like the name of an '80s rock song.
* FanCommunityNicknames: The Skeleton Clique, with individual members commonly identified as "Clikkies". "The Few, The Proud, and The Emotional" also gained some traction after the release of "Fairly Local".

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** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first, since it sounded more like the name of an '80s rock song.
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* FanCommunityNicknames: The Skeleton Clique, Clique (or "the Clique" for short), with individual members commonly identified as "Clikkies". "The Few, The Proud, and The Emotional" also gained some traction after the release of "Fairly Local".



** "Time To Say Goodbye", "Two", and "Save" were available on early mixtapes and briefly on the official website, but also cannot be purchased.

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** "Time To Say Goodbye", "Two", and "Save" were available on early mixtapes and briefly on the band's official website, but also cannot be purchased.



** The [[NoExportForYou UK-exclusive]] [[https://vimeo.com/282200673 video for "Migraine"]] is also difficult to find in other regions.

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** The [[NoExportForYou UK-exclusive]] [[https://vimeo.com/282200673 video for "Migraine"]] is also difficult to find was never officially released in other regions.regions, although it is readily available online.

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* RealLifeRelative: Tyler's violent love interest in the video for "Tear In My Heart" is played by his wife, Jenna.

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Tyler's violent love interest in the video for "Tear In My Heart" is played by his wife, Jenna.Jenna.
** Both band members' wives make cameo appearances in the ''Scaled and Icy'' Livestream Experience. Jenna lip-syncs [[AsHerself her own vocal sample]] from "Saturday", while Creator/DebbyRyan plays an angry resident of Mulberry Street who ends the performance of "The Outside" by chucking a bucket of water out the window.
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* FanNickname: For Josh: Jishwa, Spooky Jim, and anything relating to space and/or aliens.
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** Tyler and Josh [[https://youtu.be/EVdyrYHfsZU?t=319 briefly considered]] naming their first studio album ''Schizoid Pop'' [[AppropriatedAppellation in reference to a semi-critical review's description of their music]]. They decided that they didn't want to be labeled with that term for their whole career and switched to ''Vessel''.

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** Tyler and Josh [[https://youtu.be/EVdyrYHfsZU?t=319 briefly considered]] naming their first studio 2013 album ''Schizoid Pop'' [[AppropriatedAppellation in reference to a semi-critical review's description of their music]]. They decided that they didn't want to be labeled with that term for their whole career and switched to ''Vessel''.
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* ContinuityNod: "The Outside" music video and the accompanying dmaorg supplemental material contain multiple nods to parts of the band's past output that wasn't tied to Dema. Besides the incorporation of Ned, Clancy's letters and notes make reference to the bishops using other people's bodies as [[https://twitter.com/DiscordClique/status/1504815547678089217?s=20&t=DOlJ48J7-OxFmTVi4E9hUw "vessels"]]. Further tying the video into this older album, [[https://twitter.com/DiscordClique/status/1504167499889364998?s=20&t=DOlJ48J7-OxFmTVi4E9hUw a map of continent of Trench]] shows that the name of the island they wash up on is ''Voldsøy'', which roughly translates in Norweigian to "island of violence"; the music from "Migraine", a ''Vessel'' track that refers to such islands, briefly plays during the video.
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* ContinuityNod: "The Outside" music video and the accompanying dmaorg supplemental material contain multiple nods to parts of the band's past output that wasn't tied to Dema. Besides the incorporation of Ned, Clancy's letters and notes make reference to the bishops using other people's bodies as [[https://twitter.com/DiscordClique/status/1504815547678089217?s=20&t=DOlJ48J7-OxFmTVi4E9hUw "vessels"]]. Further tying the video into this older album, [[https://twitter.com/DiscordClique/status/1504167499889364998?s=20&t=DOlJ48J7-OxFmTVi4E9hUw a map of continent of Trench]] shows that the name of the island they wash up on is ''Voldsøy'', which roughly translates in Norweigian to "island of violence"; the music from "Migraine", a ''Vessel'' track that refers to such islands, briefly plays during the video.
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* AscendedFanon: According to Tyler's track-by-track Spotify-exclusive commentary for ''Vessel'', "Ode to Sleep" received its name after the band played the still-untitled song at a small show and fans were asked to write down and submit possible titles.

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* AscendedFanon: According to Tyler's track-by-track Spotify-exclusive commentary for ''Vessel'', "Ode to Sleep" received its name after the band played the still-untitled song at a small show when it was untitled and fans were asked to write down and submit possible titles.

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** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first, since it sounded more like the name of an 80s rock song.
* FanNickname:
** For Tyler, variations of "Bean" ("Smol Bean," "Baby Bean," etc.), though this has largely died off in favor of more caustic names like "Coward".
** For Josh: Jishwa, Spooky Jim, and anything relating to space and/or aliens.

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** According to Tyler's Spotify-exclusive ''Vessel'' commentary, he disliked the name of "Holding On To You" at first, since it sounded more like the name of an 80s '80s rock song.
* FanNickname:
** For Tyler, variations of "Bean" ("Smol Bean," "Baby Bean," etc.), though this has largely died off in favor of more caustic names like "Coward".
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FanNickname: For Josh: Jishwa, Spooky Jim, and anything relating to space and/or aliens.
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* CargoShip: Both members like to jokingly ship Josh with his drums and (when he has one) his beard.



* DyeHard: Josh's hair has been essentially every color of the rainbow, though currently it is his natural darker color.
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* BigNameFan: [[https://twitter.com/thedavidthedad?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor David the Dad]], a [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin middle-aged dad]] and concert photographer who has been featured in two of the band's official tour highlight videos for his renowned dedication to the band and to the rest of the Clique.

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