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19th Mar '17 3:40:59 AM JonTron4ever
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** Yesterdays Enterprise was originally conceived as two separate episodes, one fittingly enough also titled Yesterdays Enterprise and the other unnamed. In the original Yesterdays Enterprise, the Enterprise C also accidentally comes forward in time. However it causes no changes in the timeline when discovered by the Enterprise-D, and the entire episode would have centered around Picard having to make a decision to send it back and preserve the timeline, where they would lose a hopeless battle or risk altering time by keeping them in the present. The other episode would have involved Sarek and a group of Vulcans revisiting the Guardian of Forever to go back to Vulcan pre-history. They would have fucked up the timeline and accidentally killed Surak, creating a timeline where a violent Vulcan race had arisen. They would have eventually discovered and merged with the Romulans to form a Vulcan-Romulan Empire and would have rampaged across the galaxy, exterminating the Klingons and fighting the Federation (who formed without them) in a bitter war the Federation was losing. The episode would have even had the alternate universe Vulcans planning to use the Guardian of Forever to alter Earth's history and prevent the Federation from ever forming, wich sounds a lot like Star Trek: First Contact (which even the writers Trent Christopher Ganin and Eric A. Stillwell have pointed out). Sarek would remain unaffected, be captured by the Enterprise D where after a mind meld with Picard, is allowed to return through the Guardian of Forever and take the place of Surak to preserve the timeline. Both episode pitches were received well, but Michael Piller suggested merging the ideas together, and Ronald D. Moore ended up changing the Vulcans into Klingons and using the episode to explain how the Klingons and the Federation became allies (which funningly enough is contradicted a year later with the film Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, which eventually had to be reconciled with this episode).

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** Yesterdays Enterprise was originally conceived as two separate episodes, one fittingly enough also titled Yesterdays Enterprise and the other unnamed. In the original Yesterdays Enterprise, the Enterprise C also accidentally comes forward in time. However it causes no changes in the timeline when discovered by the Enterprise-D, and the entire episode would have centered around Picard having to make a decision to send it back and preserve the timeline, where they would lose a hopeless battle or risk altering time by keeping them in the present. The other episode would have involved Sarek and a group of Vulcans revisiting the Guardian of Forever to go back to Vulcan pre-history. They would have fucked up the timeline and accidentally killed Surak, creating a timeline where a violent Vulcan race had arisen. They would have eventually discovered and merged with the Romulans to form a Vulcan-Romulan Empire and would have rampaged across the galaxy, exterminating the Klingons and fighting the Federation (who formed without them) in a bitter war the Federation was losing. The episode would have even had featured the alternate universe Vulcans planning to use the Guardian of Forever to alter Earth's history and prevent the Federation from ever forming, wich sounds a lot like Star Trek: First Contact (which even the writers Trent Christopher Ganin and Eric A. Stillwell have pointed out). Sarek would remain unaffected, be captured by the Enterprise D where after a mind meld with Picard, is allowed to return through the Guardian of Forever and take the place of Surak to preserve the timeline. Both episode pitches were received well, but Michael Piller suggested merging the ideas together, and Ronald D. Moore ended up changing the Vulcans into Klingons and using the episode to explain how the Klingons and the Federation became allies (which funningly enough is contradicted a year later with the film Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, which eventually had to be reconciled with this episode).episode).
** Ira Steven Behr and Ronald D Moore wanted to feature more gruesome deaths for several characters at the end of Yesterdays Enterprise, including Data being electrocuted and having Wesley Crusher graphically decapitated by debris! Riker's on-screen death was also supposed to be more gruesome, with his throat slit and spurting blood. To make things even darker, the Klingon commanding the ships doing all this damage would have been Worf! So he would have been brutally murdering his friends. Moore and Behr were disappointed this wasn't filmed, which they claim was because the producers didn't want to depress audiences, though it was also likely cut due to the graphic nature of the violence.
19th Mar '17 3:29:58 AM JonTron4ever
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** Yesterdays Enterprise was originally conceived as two separate episodes, one fittingly enough also titled Yesterdays Enterprise and the other unnamed. In the original Yesterdays Enterprise, the Enterprise C also accidentally comes forward in time. However it causes no changes in the timeline when discovered by the Enterprise-D, and the entire episode would have centered around Picard having to make a decision to send it back and preserve the timeline, where they would lose a hopeless battle or risk altering time by keeping them in the present. The other episode would have involved Sarek and a group of Vulcans revisiting the Guardian of Forever to go back to Vulcan pre-history. They would have fucked up the timeline and accidentally killed Surak, creating a timeline where a violent Vulcan race had arisen. They would have eventually discovered and merged with the Romulans to form a Vulcan-Romulan Empire and would have rampaged across the galaxy, exterminating the Klingons and fighting the Federation (who formed without them) in a bitter war the Federation was losing. The episode would have even had the alternate universe Vulcans planning to use the Guardian of Forever to alter Earth's history and prevent the Federation from ever forming, wich sounds a lot like Star Trek: First Contact (which even the writers Trent Christopher Ganin and Eric A. Stillwell have pointed out). Sarek would remain unaffected, be captured by the Enterprise D where after a mind meld with Picard, is allowed to return through the Guardian of Forever and take the place of Surak to preserve the timeline. Both episode pitches were received well, but Michael Piller suggested merging the ideas together, and Ronald D. Moore ended up changing the Vulcans into Klingons and using the episode to explain how the Klingons and the Federation became allies (which funningly enough is contradicted a year later with the film Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, which eventually had to be reconciled with this episode).
19th Mar '17 3:18:45 AM JonTron4ever
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** According to Jeri Taylor, at one point Geordi La Forge was planned to be revealed as the product of alien experimentation on his mother, and an episode was planned to involve said aliens returning to retrieve him. According to her, it was conceived to give him some needed character development, but was rejected, probably because it would have weirded out viewers. Even stranger, the concept was almost revived in VOY, with Harry Kim planned to have a very similar backstory, but it too was rejected.
19th Mar '17 3:15:38 AM JonTron4ever
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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror", submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS. In general, Rick Berman and Michael Piller were disinterested in TNG revisiting the Mirror Universe because they felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for the series, so that's the real reason we never got a Mirror Universe episode. DS9, being staffed by fans of TOS, would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT also re-visiting it to surprisingly greater effect, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episodes. It's fair to assume TNG re-visiting the concept would have paid off, as the non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" released in 1993 (which ended up influencing ENT's foray into the Mirror Universe) and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken" released in 2017, which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.

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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror", submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS. In general, Rick Berman and Michael Piller were disinterested in TNG revisiting the Mirror Universe because they felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for the series, so that's the real reason we never got a Mirror Universe episode. DS9, being staffed by fans of TOS, would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT also re-visiting it to surprisingly greater effect, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episodes. It's fair to assume TNG re-visiting the concept would have paid off, as the The non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" released in 1993 (which ended up influencing ENT's foray into the Mirror Universe) and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken" released in 2017, which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.pretty popular, so it's interesting to speculate how TNG would handled the concept.
19th Mar '17 3:13:28 AM JonTron4ever
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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror", submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS, though the real reason it and every other effort to make a Mirror Universe episode died is likely because Rick Berman and Michael Piller felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for TNG. DS9 would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT surprisingly doing a better job, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episodes. It's likely the effort would have paid off, as the non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" released in 1993 (which ended up influencing ENT's foray into the Mirror Universe) and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken" released in 2017, which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.

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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror", submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS, though the real reason it and every other effort to make a Mirror Universe episode died is likely because TOS. In general, Rick Berman and Michael Piller were disinterested in TNG revisiting the Mirror Universe because they felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for TNG. DS9 the series, so that's the real reason we never got a Mirror Universe episode. DS9, being staffed by fans of TOS, would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT also re-visiting it to surprisingly doing a better job, greater effect, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episodes. It's likely fair to assume TNG re-visiting the effort concept would have paid off, as the non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" released in 1993 (which ended up influencing ENT's foray into the Mirror Universe) and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken" released in 2017, which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.
19th Mar '17 3:13:28 AM JonTron4ever
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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror", submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS. In general, Rick Berman and Michael Piller were disinterested in TNG revisiting the Mirror Universe because they felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for the series, so that's the real reason we never got a Mirror Universe episode. DS9, being staffed by fans of TOS, would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT also re-visiting it to surprisingly greater effect, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episodes. It's fair to assume TNG re-visiting the concept would have paid off, as the non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" released in 1993 (which ended up influencing ENT's foray into the Mirror Universe) and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken" released in 2017, which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.

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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror", submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS. In general, Rick Berman and Michael Piller were disinterested in TNG revisiting the Mirror Universe because they felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for the series, so that's the real reason we never got a Mirror Universe episode. episode. DS9, being staffed by fans of TOS, would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT also re-visiting it to surprisingly greater effect, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episodes. It's fair to assume TNG re-visiting the concept would have paid off, as the non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" released in 1993 (which ended up influencing ENT's foray into the Mirror Universe) and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken" released in 2017, which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.
19th Mar '17 3:10:24 AM JonTron4ever
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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror" submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS, though the real reason it and every other effort to make a Mirror Universe episode died is likely because Rick Berman and Michael Piller felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for TNG. DS9 would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT surprisingly doing a better job, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episode. It's likely the effort would have paid off, as the non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken", which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.

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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror" Mirror", submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS, though the real reason it and every other effort to make a Mirror Universe episode died is likely because Rick Berman and Michael Piller felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for TNG. DS9 would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT surprisingly doing a better job, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episode. episodes. It's likely the effort would have paid off, as the non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" released in 1993 (which ended up influencing ENT's foray into the Mirror Universe) and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken", Broken" released in 2017, which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.
19th Mar '17 2:58:03 AM JonTron4ever
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** Several attempts were made to introduce the Mirror Universe into TNG. Even Jerome Bixby, the writer of "Mirror, Mirror" submitted a script that would have served as a sequel. It was apparently rejected because it called for guest appearances from TOS, though the real reason it and every other effort to make a Mirror Universe episode died is likely because Rick Berman and Michael Piller felt the concept was too cheesy and out-of-date for TNG. DS9 would eventually re-visit the Mirror Universe to mixed results, with ENT surprisingly doing a better job, with its Mirror two-parter being its most popular episode. It's likely the effort would have paid off, as the non-canon novel "Dark Mirror" and the IDW comic "Mirror Broken", which both explore alternate takes on the Mirror Universe Enterprise-D are also popular.
19th Mar '17 2:45:41 AM JonTron4ever
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** The writing team tried several times to write a sequel to "The Best of Both Worlds" but nothing got further than the concept phase, because no one could think of another clever way to defeat the Borg. Eventually they gave up and opted to tell a very different Borg story with "I, Borg", where the crew rescues a lone drone who eventually gains individuality and rejects being a Borg, being named "Hugh". It paid off, as the episode proved popular enough to get a follow up in the two parter "Descent". Hugh was apparently even planned to appear in early versions of "All Good Things". Of course, BOBW would eventually get a proper sequel with the film Star Trek: First Contact, which unsurprisingly is the only TNG film most fans actually like.

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** The writing team tried several times to write a sequel to "The Best of Both Worlds" but nothing got further than the concept phase, because no one could think of another clever way to defeat the Borg. Eventually they gave up and opted to tell a very different Borg story with "I, Borg", where the crew rescues a lone drone who eventually gains individuality and rejects being a Borg, being named "Hugh". It paid off, as the episode proved popular enough to get a follow up in the two parter "Descent". "Descent" and served as the template for Seven of Nine on Voyager. Hugh was apparently even planned to appear in early versions of "All Good Things". Of course, BOBW would eventually get a proper sequel with the film Star Trek: First Contact, which unsurprisingly is the only TNG film most fans actually like.
19th Mar '17 2:43:12 AM JonTron4ever
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** The writing team tried several times to write a sequel to "The Best of Both Worlds" but nothing got further than the concept phase, because no one could think of another clever way to defeat the Borg. Eventually they gave up and opted to tell a very different Borg story with "I, Borg" which proved popular enough to get a follow up in the two parter "Descent". Hugh was apparently even planned to appear in early versions of "All Good Things". Of course, BOBW would eventually get a sequel with the film Star Trek: First Contact, which unsurprisingly is the only TNG film most fans actually like.

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** The writing team tried several times to write a sequel to "The Best of Both Worlds" but nothing got further than the concept phase, because no one could think of another clever way to defeat the Borg. Eventually they gave up and opted to tell a very different Borg story with "I, Borg" which Borg", where the crew rescues a lone drone who eventually gains individuality and rejects being a Borg, being named "Hugh". It paid off, as the episode proved popular enough to get a follow up in the two parter "Descent". Hugh was apparently even planned to appear in early versions of "All Good Things". Of course, BOBW would eventually get a proper sequel with the film Star Trek: First Contact, which unsurprisingly is the only TNG film most fans actually like.
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