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* ScienceMarchesOn: As is the fate of all depictions of dinosaurs until until recently, there is not a feather to be seen on any of the cloned dinosaurs in the Invid Genesis Pit.

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* ScienceMarchesOn: As is the fate of all many depictions of dinosaurs until until recently, from before the late 1990s, there is not a feather to be seen on any of the cloned dinosaurs in the Invid Genesis Pit.

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** Then theres the Nintendo 64 game, ''Crystal Dreams''. Ohhhhh, ''Crystal Dreams...'' Originally announced in May 1995, over a year before the system was released, and as a launch title no less. It entered a famous and protracted DevelopmentHell, with many joking that the entire project was cursed. The original developers, GameTek, went bankrupt in 1997, only for Ocean to pick up the slack and eventually can it after an unspectacular showing at E3 1998.
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According to this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w16yETTUVes; the deal actually was more of a settlement after harmony gold had been with prejudiced removed from being able to do frivolous lawsuits against anyone trying to import or basing off on Macross designs even those outside of the series used for tobotrch and even if they had prior permission from the ip owner such as jetfire from transformers and it was less about approval and more about just trying to end the law mess


** In 2021, Big West effectively licensed ''Robotech'' '''''off''''' Harmony Gold, purchasing the Japanese IP rights for Robotech in exchange for a shared licensing deal, where Harmony Gold has defacto rights to the original Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross and all related licenses outside Japan.
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* TheWikiRule: [[http://robotech.wikia.com/wiki/Robotech_Saga_Wiki Robotech Saga Wiki]] does what it says on the tin.

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* TheWikiRule: [[http://robotech.wikia.com/wiki/Robotech_Saga_Wiki Robotech Saga Wiki]] does what it says on the tin.

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* ApprovalOfGod: Many people that worked on ''Southern Cross'' praised the altered characterization of the characters and the more professional battle chatter.

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Many people that worked on ''Southern Cross'' praised the altered characterization of the characters and the more professional battle chatter.chatter.
** In 2021, Big West effectively licensed ''Robotech'' '''''off''''' Harmony Gold, purchasing the Japanese IP rights for Robotech in exchange for a shared licensing deal, where Harmony Gold has defacto rights to the original Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross and all related licenses outside Japan.


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** In 2021, this restriction was seemingly lifted, as Harmony Gold and Big West reached a settlement where Harmony Gold were given blanket rights to distribute and market any and all content involving ''strictly'' Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross as ''Robotech'', with Big West approving the Robotech movie for global release, with Harmony Gold accepting Big West's right to distribute ''everything else'' made after it.
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* EnforcedMethodActing: Michael Bradley said that if he knew in advance that Yellow Dancer was suppose to be Lancer disguising himself as a woman to avoid being killed/apprehended by Invid forces and their collaborators, he would tried to use a feminine voice or at least, pretend to dress up with female clothes while recording the music in the booth.

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* EnforcedMethodActing: Michael Bradley said that if he knew in advance that Yellow Dancer was suppose supposed to be Lancer disguising himself as a woman to avoid being killed/apprehended by Invid forces and their collaborators, he would have tried to use a feminine voice or at least, pretend to dress up with female clothes while recording the music in the booth.
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* NamesTheSame:
** The REF commander who sent Captain Carpenter to Earth was named General Reinhardt. We later see this character at the end of the series as he leads the REF in their last attempt to free Earth from the Invid. Oddly enough this is not a case of DubNameChange. In ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'', the military commander on Liberty that Captain Lombard answered to, and the commander of the Third Earth Recapture Mission in ''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'' are both called General Reinhardt. By a freaky coincidence, they happened to have the same name.
** Rick Hunter also shares his same name with [[VideoGame/{{Postal}} the voice actor for The Postal Dude]].
** And with the protagonist of the action series ''Series/{{Hunter}}'' that was airing contemporaneously with ''Robotech''.
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** [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross'' due to Harmony Gold ''not even asking for his permission'' regarding its usage, effectively making it ''plagiarism''. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped [[ColbertBump exposed his work]] to the West.

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** [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross'' due to Harmony Gold ''not even asking for his permission'' regarding its usage, effectively making it ''plagiarism''. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped [[ColbertBump exposed expose his work]] to the West.



* ExecutiveMeddling: The plot of the ''Robotech" The Movie'' was once going to be vastly different, but had to be changed drastically once the creators of ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' realized this movie could somehow interfere with their profits from ''Anime/MacrossDoYouRememberLove''. Somehow.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: The plot of the ''Robotech" ''Robotech: The Movie'' was once going to be vastly different, but had to be changed drastically once the creators of ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' realized this movie could somehow interfere with their profits from ''Anime/MacrossDoYouRememberLove''. Somehow.[[InsaneTrollLogic Somehow]].
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** Due to their association with ''Macross'', both the original ''Southern Cross'' and ''Mospeada'' series have been hit pretty hard with this too, having not seen much of a release since the mid-2000s sub-only sets by Creator/ADVFilms. To this day however, it's not clear if it really is the ''Macross'' snafu that's preventing a re-release of the titles or not. What it ''does'' mean is that any future media based on ''Robotech'' proper can only be based on ''Mospeada''.
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** Also the sequel to ''The Shadow Chronicles'' entitled "Shadow Rising" is still in development hell.
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*** This came extremely close to happening, in fact. The plans were so far advanced that the first issue of Coleco's comic adaptation of the show was still ''Macross''-branded when it went on sale with the Japanese logo, and using (at least in original printings) the "Yamada" name for Hikaru/Rick.
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*** Had the straight localization gone through, there would have been different names for the characters. For instance, Hikaru Ichijyo/Rick Hunter would have been localized as "Rick Yamada".
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** Even the genesis of the show had this going on. Harmony Gold did not originally own the ''Robotech'' name. That was owned by Revell-Matchbox, who were using it independently to sell model kits and toys licensed from Japan, including from ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross''. This presented a problem for Harmony Gold, as it a) cut off at the knees much of the ability to sell TheMerch for ''Macross'' and; b) essentially gave free advertising for the company that ''could'' sell such merch. In one of the few non-litigious moves Harmony Gold made, they instead partnered with Revell, taking on the ''Robotech'' name for the series they were putting together, allowing both to profit from the shared licenses.


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** ''Robotech'' had a somewhat more convoluted production history than the average viewer might realize. The originator of the "Robotech" IP was actually Revell-Matchbox, who used it starting in 1983-1984 for marketing licensed model kits and toys from ''Anime/FangOfTheSunDougram'', ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' and, somewhat ironically, when you look above, ''Anime/SuperDimensionCenturyOrguss''. The original story was vastly different to what was seen on TV in 1985. As originally published in a 2-issue Creator/DCComics miniseries, the saga would have revolved around a RagtagBunchOfMisfits acting as LaResistance against alien invaders on a far off planet. The series was abruptly cancelled, (with what was intended to be a three-issue miniseries compressed into a two-issue), when Revell entered into a partnership with Harmony Gold to avoid both sides treading on each other's IP toes over the rights to ''Macross''.

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* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross'' due to Harmony Gold ''not even asking for his permission'' regarding its usage, effectively making it ''plagiarism''. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped [[ColbertBump exposed his work]] to the West.

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** Carl Macek has disowned ''Robotech: The Movie'' due to the ExecutiveMeddling by Cannon Films he endured during production; see below.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: The plot of the ''Robotech Movie'' was once going to be vastly different, but had to be changed drastically once the creators of ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' realized this movie could somehow interfere with their profits from ''Anime/MacrossDoYouRememberLove''. Somehow.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: The plot of the ''Robotech ''Robotech" The Movie'' was once going to be vastly different, but had to be changed drastically once the creators of ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' realized this movie could somehow interfere with their profits from ''Anime/MacrossDoYouRememberLove''. Somehow.


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** When Cannon Films president Menahem Golan watched an early print of ''Robotech: The Movie'', he complained that there were "too many girls and not enough robots and guns", and as a result, Macek was forced to add footage from ''Southern Cross'', despite the difference in film resolution. Macek then presented the final cut to Golan, who responded, "Now that's a Cannon movie!" Macek has since disowned ''Robotech: The Movie''.
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* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross'' due to Harmony Gold ''not even asking for his permission'' regarding its usage, effectively making it ''plagiarism''. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped [[ColbertBump exposed his work]] to the West, even if it came at the cost of [[NoExportForYou trapping the Macross franchise in Japan]].

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* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross'' due to Harmony Gold ''not even asking for his permission'' regarding its usage, effectively making it ''plagiarism''. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped [[ColbertBump exposed his work]] to the West, even if it came at the cost of [[NoExportForYou trapping the Macross franchise in Japan]].West.
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* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross'' due to Harmony Gold ''not even asking for his permission'' regarding its usage. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped exposed his work to the West, even if it came at the cost of [[NoExportForYou trapping the ''Macross'' franchise in Japan]].

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* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross'' due to Harmony Gold ''not even asking for his permission'' regarding its usage. usage, effectively making it ''plagiarism''. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped [[ColbertBump exposed his work work]] to the West, even if it came at the cost of [[NoExportForYou trapping the ''Macross'' Macross franchise in Japan]].

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* DevelopmentHell: The Hollywood adaptation of ''Robotech'' is one of the longest film development projects ever to be stuck in the 7th circle of development hell. Many screenwriters, directors, and leading actors have been rumored to be connected to the project -- but no live action films have been released. Currently, Sony has the rights and are moving forward with a film franchise with James Wan directing the first film.

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The Hollywood adaptation of ''Robotech'' is one of the longest film development projects ever to be stuck in the 7th circle of development hell. Many screenwriters, directors, and leading actors have been rumored to be connected to the project -- but no live action films have been released. Currently, Sony has the rights and are moving forward with a film franchise with James Wan directing the first film.



* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross''. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped exposed his work to the west.

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* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross''. ''Macross'' due to Harmony Gold ''not even asking for his permission'' regarding its usage. On the other hand, he at least appreciates the fact that it helped exposed his work to the west.West, even if it came at the cost of [[NoExportForYou trapping the ''Macross'' franchise in Japan]].



** The movie was pulled because it was successful with adults but not with children, the demographic which Cannon considered the film's main audience.

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** The movie was pulled because it was successful with adults but not with children, the demographic which Cannon is considered the film's main audience.
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* ApprovalOfGod: Many people that worked on ''Southern Cross'' praised the altered characterization of the characters and the more professional battle chatter.
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** And with the protagonist of the action series ''Series/{{Hunter}}'' that was airing contemporaneously with ''Robotech''.
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* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js An interview on the "Shoji Kawamori Expo" event]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased that ''Macross'' is "pirated" by Harmony Gold without his approval. On the other hand, he believes that ''Robotech'' is the only way to allow the West to see the original franchise.

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* DisownedAdaptation: [[https://fullfrontal.moe/kawamori-40-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3tcPbBw3YCp0TXm_SMBcC4B03xbO6tj-DQA8Ex-Vz4zZjVN0ytvS2t-js An interview on the "Shoji Kawamori Expo" event]] This interview]] reveals that Creator/ShojiKawamori isn't pleased that ''Macross'' is "pirated" by Harmony Gold without his approval. with ''Robotech'', calling it a "pirated version" of ''Macross''. On the other hand, he believes at least appreciates the fact that ''Robotech'' is it helped exposed his work to the only way to allow the West to see the original franchise.west.

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* HeAlsoDid: ''The Sentinels''' storyboard artists were Kent Butterworth and Kevin Alteri, better known (respectively) for their work on ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog'' and ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Similarly, Paul S. Power, who also boarded the alternate ending for the movie, did storyboards for such films as ''{{Film/Predator}}'', ''Film/StElmosFire'' and ''Film/SpaceJam''.



** After being bombarded with a ton of fan mail asking what happened to Rick Hunter, Lisa Hayes and all the other surviving ''Macross Saga'' characters Carl Macek and Harmony Gold decided to make their own new ''Robotech'' series, ''Robotech: The Sentinels'', a kind of half prequel series that would have taken place in between the end of ''Macross Saga'' and the start of ''The Masters'' and shown the adventures of Rick and the old cast against a new cast (which included Vince Grant, a new character created to be the brother of Claudia Grant and father of Bowie Grant) as they ventured out into space and, presumably, would have eventually chronicled their return home. Sadly, the animation company in Japan that Harmony-Gold hired went bankrupt due to economic problems, forcing them to scrap the series after only finishing three episodes. These episodes were then turned into a direct to video feature, with the intended adventures of the series then becoming the basis for a series of expanded universe comic books and novels. For what it's worth ''The Sentinels'' video feature as it is does fill in some of the gaps when watched in its intended chronological order between ''Macross Saga'' and ''Masters'', and as an extra bonus it gives the shippers the chance to see the wedding or Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes.



** Beyond that, the original plans for ''Robotech: The Movie'' (and the first cut) had it as a relatively straight adaptation of ''Megazone 23'', with the story set on Earth during the ''Macross'' era. Early plans for ''Sentinels'' featured Eve along with the hero (Mark Harris), heroine (Becky Franklin), and villain (B.D. Edwards) from the movie[[note]]In other words, Shogo, Yui, and B.D. from ''Megazone 23''[[/note]] as major characters. When ExecutiveMeddling forced Harmony Gold to revise the script to include ''Southern Cross'' footage as filler, ''Sentinels'' had to be revised to match, resulting in multiple {{Decomposite Character}}s. The hero and heroine roles in ''Sentinels'' evolved into Jack Baker and Karen Penn, the "Eve II" RobotGirl became Janice Em, and '''T.R.''' Edwards emerged after filing off the serial numbers (and the backstory with Roy Fokker) from the newly renamed B.D. '''Andrews'''. Mark and Becky from the movie also received new last names in the revised script.

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** Beyond that, the original plans for ''Robotech: The Movie'' (and the first cut) had it as a relatively straight adaptation of ''Megazone 23'', with the story set on Earth during the ''Macross'' era. Early plans for ''Sentinels'' featured Eve along with the hero (Mark Harris), heroine (Becky Franklin), and villain (B.D. Edwards) from the movie[[note]]In other words, Shogo, Yui, and B.D. from ''Megazone 23''[[/note]] as major characters. When ExecutiveMeddling forced Harmony Gold to revise the script to include ''Southern Cross'' footage as filler, ''Sentinels'' ''Anime/RobotechIITheSentinels'' had to be revised to match, resulting in multiple {{Decomposite Character}}s. The hero and heroine roles in ''Sentinels'' evolved into Jack Baker and Karen Penn, the "Eve II" RobotGirl became Janice Em, and '''T.R.''' Edwards emerged after filing off the serial numbers (and the backstory with Roy Fokker) from the newly renamed B.D. '''Andrews'''. Mark and Becky from the movie also received new last names in the revised script.



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*** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'': Captain Doza also strongly resembles Captain Gloval.

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*** ** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'': Captain Doza also strongly resembles Captain Gloval.Gloval.
** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'': The show's final action sequence of [[CatchAFallingStar Rex in a Y-Wing trying to catch a falling Ahsoka]] may be [[https://twitter.com/PhilSzostak/status/1290375417405169664?s=20 based off of this scene]].

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: After being bombarded with a ton of fan mail asking what happened to Rick Hunter, Lisa Hayes and all the other surviving ''Macross Saga'' characters Carl Macek and Harmony-Gold decided to make their own new ''Robotech'' series, ''Robotech: The Sentinels'', a kind of half prequel series that would have taken place in between the end of ''Macross Saga'' and the start of ''The Masters'' and shown the adventures of Rick and the old cast against a new cast (which included Vince Grant, a new character created to be the brother of Claudia Grant and father of Bowie Grant) as they ventured out into space and, presumably, would have eventually chronicled their return home. Sadly, the animation company in Japan that Harmony-Gold hired went bankrupt due to economic problems, forcing them to scrap the series after only finishing three episodes. These episodes were then turned into a direct to video feature, with the intended adventures of the series then becoming the basis for a series of expanded universe comic books and novels. For what it's worth ''The Sentinels'' video feature as it is does fill in some of the gaps when watched in its intended chronological order between ''Macross Saga'' and ''Masters'', and as an extra bonus it gives the shippers the chance to see the wedding or Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes.

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After being bombarded with a ton of fan mail asking what happened to Rick Hunter, Lisa Hayes and all the other surviving ''Macross Saga'' characters Carl Macek and Harmony-Gold Harmony Gold decided to make their own new ''Robotech'' series, ''Robotech: The Sentinels'', a kind of half prequel series that would have taken place in between the end of ''Macross Saga'' and the start of ''The Masters'' and shown the adventures of Rick and the old cast against a new cast (which included Vince Grant, a new character created to be the brother of Claudia Grant and father of Bowie Grant) as they ventured out into space and, presumably, would have eventually chronicled their return home. Sadly, the animation company in Japan that Harmony-Gold hired went bankrupt due to economic problems, forcing them to scrap the series after only finishing three episodes. These episodes were then turned into a direct to video feature, with the intended adventures of the series then becoming the basis for a series of expanded universe comic books and novels. For what it's worth ''The Sentinels'' video feature as it is does fill in some of the gaps when watched in its intended chronological order between ''Macross Saga'' and ''Masters'', and as an extra bonus it gives the shippers the chance to see the wedding or Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes.


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** And then, at the end of it all, there's the fact that Macek's ''original'' plan was just to do a straight localization of ''Macross'' itself, with no other material attached; it only fell through because ''Macross'' by itself wasn't long enough for networks to take a serious look at it in syndication. If Macek had made it work somehow, the situation still would have left Harmony Gold as the rights-holder for American ''Macross'' productions, but without the additional baggage there would at least have been more incentive to bring the other titles over from a continuity perspective, and since ''Macross'' was the biggest success of ''Robotech'' regardless, it probably would've done just as well by itself and HG could've pointed to the show's international success on top of the domestic success and encouraged a sequel earlier than ''Anime/Macross7''. It's one of those ultimate what-could-have-beens that might've changed huge swaths of the licensing landscape for decades.
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*** In "Fire Across the Galaxy", the engine room that the Inquisitor and Kanan duel in was inspired by ''Robotect'' (though AllThereInTheManual specifically cites ''Macross''). Especially the three background pillars, which look like the ill-fated anti-grav engines that ripped out of the Macross early in the show's run.

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*** In "Fire Across the Galaxy", the engine room that the Inquisitor and Kanan duel in was inspired by ''Robotect'' ''Robotech'' (though AllThereInTheManual specifically cites ''Macross''). Especially the three background pillars, which look like the ill-fated anti-grav engines that ripped out of the Macross early in the show's run.
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** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'': Captain Doza also strongly resembles Captain Gloval.

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** *** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'': Captain Doza also strongly resembles Captain Gloval.

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