History Trivia / CitizenKane

29th Jan '17 10:36:52 PM JulianLapostat
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** Towards the end of his life, Welles was asked to provide a commentary for the film. He declined, as he was done talking about it.



** Towards the end of his life, Welles was asked to provide a commentary for the film. He declined, as he was done talking about it.
* WorkingTitle: ''The American''.


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** Towards the end of his life, Welles was asked to provide a commentary for the film. He declined, as he was done talking about it.
* WorkingTitle: ''The American''.

American'', ''John Citizen, U. S. A.''

14th Jan '17 2:41:53 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* DuelingMovies: For a long time, ''Citizen Kane'' competed for #1 on a film list with Creator/JeanRenoir's ''Film/TheRulesOfTheGame''. The 2012 list saw it finally replaced from Sight and Sound's Best Film List. The critics list placed Film/{{Vertigo}} ahead of it, while the directors list placed Film/TokyoStory ahead of it.

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* DuelingMovies: For a long time, ''Citizen Kane'' competed for #1 on a film list with Creator/JeanRenoir's ''Film/TheRulesOfTheGame''. The 2012 list saw it finally replaced from Sight and Sound's Best Film List. The critics list placed Film/{{Vertigo}} ''Film/{{Vertigo}}'' ahead of it, while the directors list placed Film/TokyoStory ''Film/TokyoStory'' ahead of it.
14th Jan '17 2:16:18 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* CompletelyDifferentTitle: In Hungary, the film was called ''Aranypolgár'' ("The Golden Citizen")



* DVDCommentary: Creator/RogerEbert contributes an excellent, in-depth commentary notable for the breakdown of cinematography, shot design, and other interesting tidbits.



** Originally, the movie was going to be based on the life of Howard Hughes with Cotten in the lead. Eventually, Welles realized [[RealityIsUnrealistic nobody would believe most of the stuff Hughes had done]], so he decided to make Kane a media baron instead.
** Welles was originally going to make an adaptation of Joseph Conrad's ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'' but the executives didn't believe they could possibly stretch a budget far enough to cover it, so he made ''[[TropesAreNotBad Kane]]'' instead.


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** Originally, the movie was going to be based on the life of Howard Hughes UsefulNotes/HowardHughes with Cotten in the lead. Eventually, Welles realized [[RealityIsUnrealistic nobody would believe most of the stuff Hughes had done]], so he decided to make Kane a media baron instead.
** Welles was originally going to make an adaptation of Joseph Conrad's Creator/JosephConrad's ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'' but the executives didn't believe they could possibly stretch a budget far enough to cover it, so he made ''[[TropesAreNotBad Kane]]'' instead.

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** Towards the end of his life, Welles was asked to provide a commentary for the film. He declined, as he was done talking about it.
* WorkingTitle: ''The American''.

10th Jan '17 1:14:46 PM JulianLapostat
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* AcclaimedFlop: Hard to believe, but the "Greatest Film of All Time" '''''was''''' a spectacular box office bomb for its time, though eventually it made a profit in repertory screenings and Welles lived off its royalties even when he was down and out in Europe.

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* AcclaimedFlop: Hard to believe, but the "Greatest Film of All Time" '''''was''''' was a spectacular box office bomb failure for its time, though eventually time. Eventually it made a profit in repertory screenings and Welles lived off its royalties even when he was down and out in Europe.



* FromEntertainmentToEducation: ''Citizen Kane'' is often used to teach cinematography, and as a master work in storytelling and narrative form

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* FromEntertainmentToEducation: ''Citizen Kane'' is often used to teach cinematography, and as a master work in storytelling and narrative formform, and pretty much defined cinema as an artist's medium, with all its different visual and audio techniques used cohesively to tell a complex story.



* OldShame: The only thing Welles ''really'' regretted was his portrayal of the Marion Davies {{Expy}} Susan.



** Joseph Cotten went on to a long and very successful career as a leading man in Hollywood.

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** Joseph Cotten went on to a long and very successful career as a leading man and character actor in Hollywood.



** Welles himself is an interesting aversion. He was a star since age 16, and became famous for his theatre and (cough) [[Radio/TheWarOfTheWorlds radio]], and had in fact made three films prior to this (a bizarre short in 1934, a 40-minute film that was intended to be part of a hybrid stage play/movie performance in 1938, and he narrated a version of Swiss Family Robinson a year before Kane came out), but the movie almost destroyed his career.

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** Welles himself is an interesting aversion. He was a star since age 16, and became famous for his theatre and (cough) [[Radio/TheWarOfTheWorlds radio]], and had in fact made three films prior to this (a bizarre short in 1934, a 40-minute film that was intended to be part of a hybrid stage play/movie performance in 1938, and he narrated a version of Swiss Family Robinson a year before Kane came out), out). As an actor, Welles came to be in demand for playing sinister anti-hero/villains and specialized in OneSceneWonder but the movie almost destroyed as a director he struggled to find funding for his career.works. As such Welles found greater demand as an actor than as a director.
10th Jan '17 1:06:59 PM JulianLapostat
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* AcclaimedFlop: Hard to believe, but the "Greatest Film of All Time" '''''was''''' a spectacular box office bomb for its time, though eventually it made a profit in repertory screenings and Welles lived off its royalties even when he was down and out in Europe. See CreatorKiller below for more.

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* AcclaimedFlop: Hard to believe, but the "Greatest Film of All Time" '''''was''''' a spectacular box office bomb for its time, though eventually it made a profit in repertory screenings and Welles lived off its royalties even when he was down and out in Europe. See CreatorKiller below for more.


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** Likewise, many, see the Hearst controversy as really ending Welles' career and see the film's bad reception as single-handedly stifling a great talent a la TallPoppySyndrome. The truth is that Film/CitizenKane while criticized and seen as attracting unwanted attention from a powerful man, was a highly respected production in Hollywood at the time. Yes it was booed at the Oscars, but it was also nominated for the awards, and Welles won an Oscar (with Mankiewicz) for his screenplay. The film was admired for its technical brilliance and Welles had enough admirers to balance out others who disliked him. It was Film/TheMagnificentAmbersons that truly tarnished his reputation, since unlike Kane (which had a smooth, competent production), Ambersons was a famous mess and more or less made sure that Welles would never have AuteurLicense again.
17th Dec '16 1:05:07 PM DeadlyAssassin
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Jerry, TheFaceless reporter who investigates the "Rosebud" angel of Kane's life, is William Alland, who became a prolific producer of TheFifties science fiction films like ''Film/ThisIslandEarth'', ''Film/TheDeadlyMantis'', ''Film/TheSpaceChildren'', ''Film/ItCameFromOuterSpace'', ''Film/TheMolePeople'', ''Film/CreatureFromTheBlackLagoon'' and [[Film/RevengeOfTheCreature and its sequel]]. ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' fans are very familiar with his work.
31st Oct '16 5:07:37 PM JulianLapostat
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* DuelingMovies: From then til now, if ''Citizen Kane'' isn't #1 on a film list, it's Creator/JeanRenoir's ''Film/TheRulesOfTheGame''.

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* DuelingMovies: From then til now, if For a long time, ''Citizen Kane'' isn't competed for #1 on a film list, it's list with Creator/JeanRenoir's ''Film/TheRulesOfTheGame''.''Film/TheRulesOfTheGame''. The 2012 list saw it finally replaced from Sight and Sound's Best Film List. The critics list placed Film/{{Vertigo}} ahead of it, while the directors list placed Film/TokyoStory ahead of it.
21st Oct '16 7:23:11 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* ActorAllusion: Kane knows plenty of magic tricks that amuse Susan. Welles himself was an amateur magician.
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* CommonKnowledge: People assume Marion Davies had a bad career, as her expy in the film shows. In fact, Marion Davies was widely considered [[Film/ShowPeople a talented actress and comedienne]], independent of all the publicity Hearst arranged for her. Hearst did push Davies towards melodramatic leading-lady roles, despite performing better in light comedy. Ironically, Welles and Mankiewicz claimed that they made Susan so talentless to ensure she ''wasn't'' confused with Marion Davies. Instead, the opposite happened.

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* ActorAllusion: Kane knows plenty of magic tricks that amuse Susan. Welles Creator/OrsonWelles himself was an amateur magician.
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* CommonKnowledge: BreakthroughHit: For Creator/OrsonWelles. Also for Music/BernardHerrmann, who had been a music composer for the Mercury Theater, went to Hollywood along with Welles and the actors, composed the music to ''Citizen Kane'' as his very first film score, and went on to become one of [[PsychoStrings the most successful]] [[Film/{{Vertigo}} film composers]] [[TaxiDriver in movie history]].
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People assume Marion Davies had a bad career, as her expy in the film shows. In fact, Marion Davies was widely considered [[Film/ShowPeople a talented actress and comedienne]], independent of all the publicity Hearst arranged for her. Hearst did push Davies towards melodramatic leading-lady roles, despite performing better in light comedy. Ironically, Welles and Mankiewicz claimed that they made Susan so talentless to ensure she ''wasn't'' confused with Marion Davies. Instead, the opposite happened.



** Welles himself let himself go during the famous room trashing sequence, even hurting himself badly bloodying his hands while doing it. After filming the scene, Welles breathed, "I felt it. I ''felt'' it."

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** Welles Creator/OrsonWelles himself let himself go during the famous room trashing sequence, even hurting himself badly bloodying his hands while doing it. After filming the scene, Welles breathed, "I felt it. I ''felt'' it."



* StarMakingRole: ''Kane'' was a Star Making Role to some extent for most of the cast, since the bulk of them were members of Welles' Mercury Theater troupe and they were all making their film debuts together.

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* StarMakingRole: ''Kane'' was a Star Making Role to some extent for most of the cast, since the bulk of them were members of Welles' Creator/OrsonWelles' Mercury Theater troupe and they were all making their film debuts together.



** BernardHerrmann, who had been a music composer for the Mercury Theater, went to Hollywood along with Welles and the actors, composed the music to ''Citizen Kane'' as his very first film score, and went on to become one of [[PsychoStrings the most successful]] [[Film/{{Vertigo}} film composers]] [[TaxiDriver in movie history]].
19th Sep '16 3:23:02 PM AnotherGuy
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Jerry, TheFaceless reporter who investigates the "Rosebud" angel of Kane's life, is William Alland, who became a prolific producer of TheFifties science fiction films like ''Film/ThisIslandEarth'', ''Film/TheDeadlyMantis'', ''Film/TheSpaceChildren'', ''Film/ItCameFromOuterSpace'', ''Film/TheMolePeople'', ''Film/CreatureFromTheBlackLagoon'' and [[Film/RevengeOfTheCreature and its sequel]]. ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' fans are very familiar with his work.
14th Sep '16 11:20:23 PM DrOO7
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* AFIS100Years100Movies10THAnniversaryEdition: #1



!!Other trivia
* The American Film Institute voted this to be the greatest movie of the century for its [[AFIS100YearsSeries 100 Years series]]. "Rosebud" came in at [[AFIS100Years100MovieQuotes #17 for greatest quotes]]

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!!Other trivia
* The American Film Institute voted this to be the greatest movie of the century for its [[AFIS100YearsSeries 100 Years series]]. "Rosebud" came in at [[AFIS100Years100MovieQuotes #17 for greatest quotes]]
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