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* DoingItForTheArt: CM Punk, during his wrestling career, was very passionate about the quality of professional wrestling as a performance piece. He has been [[http://www.inkedmag.com/articles/qa-cm-punk/ quoted for saying]] that the three great arts that America has given the world are comic books, jazz, and professional wrestling.
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* DoingItForTheArt: CM Punk, during his wrestling career, was very passionate about the quality of professional wrestling as a performance piece.piece and not merely as a means of personal exposure. He has been [[http://www.inkedmag.com/articles/qa-cm-punk/ quoted for saying]] that the three great arts that America has given the world are comic books, jazz, and professional wrestling.
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* DoingItForTheArt: CM Punk, during his wrestling career, was very passionate about the quality of professional wrestling as a performance piece. He has been [[http://www.inkedmag.com/articles/qa-cm-punk/ quoted for saying]] that the three great arts that America has given the world are comic books, jazz, and professional wrestling.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Tracy Brooks, Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Eventually married Wrestling/AJLee.
* VindicatedByHistory: They didn't know how transcendent Punk was for their product, and saw the "IWC" as a dirty word. The only reason a lot of burned-out fans (the people who stopped watching when SCSA retired) came back was Punk, his promo, and the buzz it got on the internet. They should have embraced the internet more and realized it's not just a place for smarks, but also where everyone gets their news now.
* VindicatedByHistory: They didn't know how transcendent Punk was for their product, and saw the "IWC" as a dirty word. The only reason a lot of burned-out fans (the people who stopped watching when SCSA retired) came back was Punk, his promo, and the buzz it got on the internet. They should have embraced the internet more and realized it's not just a place for smarks, but also where everyone gets their news now.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Wrestling/{{Daffney|Unger}}, Tracy Brooks, Wrestling/MariaKanellis, Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Eventually married Wrestling/AJLee.
* VindicatedByHistory: They didn't know how transcendent Punk was for their product, and saw the "IWC" as a dirty word. The only reason a lot of burned-out fans (the people who stopped watching when SCSA retired) came back was Punk, his promo, and the buzz it got on the internet. They should have embraced the internet more and realized it's not just a place for smarks, but also where everyone gets their news now.Wrestling/AJLee.
* VindicatedByHistory: They didn't know how transcendent Punk was for their product, and saw the "IWC" as a dirty word. The only reason a lot of burned-out fans (the people who stopped watching when SCSA retired) came back was Punk, his promo, and the buzz it got on the internet. They should have embraced the internet more and realized it's not just a place for smarks, but also where everyone gets their news now.
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* AuthorExistenceFailure:
** Punk was scheduled to wrestle Wrestling/ChrisBenoit for the vacant ECW Championship at ''Vengeance: Night of Champions'' in 2007. Benoit never made it to the show, and a day later, everyone found out why.
** Dear Wrestling/JohnMorrison: [[CrossingTheLineTwice Who died and made you champion?]]
** Punk was scheduled to wrestle Wrestling/ChrisBenoit for the vacant ECW Championship at ''Vengeance: Night of Champions'' in 2007. Benoit never made it to the show, and a day later, everyone found out why.
** Dear Wrestling/JohnMorrison: [[CrossingTheLineTwice Who died and made you champion?]]
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**AuthorExistenceFailure: Punk was scheduled to wrestle Wrestling/ChrisBenoit for the vacant ECW World Championship at ''Vengeance: Night of Champions'' in 2007. Benoit never made it to the show, and a day later, everyone found out why.
** Dearwhy. This led to a meme directed to the wrestler who replaced him: "Dear Wrestling/JohnMorrison: [[CrossingTheLineTwice Who died and made you champion?]]champion?]]"
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** Dear
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** When WWE creative approached him with the idea of having a security force stable centered around him, they suggested [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]], Wrestling/TheBigShow, and one call-up from developmental (most likely Wrestling/SethRollins). He had an idea instead for the stable to be ''all'' developmental call-ups, specifically featuring Rollins along with Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. They liked the idea, but rejected Hero, so we got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead and Punk wasn't directly involved with the end product of Wrestling/TheShield.
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** When WWE creative approached him with the idea of having a security force stable centered around him, they suggested [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]], Wrestling/TheBigShow, and one call-up from developmental (most likely Wrestling/SethRollins). He had an idea instead for the stable to be ''all'' developmental call-ups, specifically featuring Rollins along with Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. They liked the idea, but rejected Hero, so we got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead and Punk wasn't directly involved with the end product of Wrestling/TheShield.Wrestling/TheShield.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: When WWE creative approached him with the idea of having a security force stable centered around him, they suggested [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]], Wrestling/TheBigShow, and one call-up from developmental (most likely Wrestling/SethRollins). He had an idea instead for the stable to be ''all'' developmental call-ups, specifically featuring Rollins along with Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. They liked the idea, but rejected Hero, so we got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead and Punk wasn't directly involved with the end product of Wrestling/TheShield.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: WhatCouldHaveBeen
** He, Colt Cabana and Wrestling/SherriMartel were in the running for a ''Jerry Springer'' booking according to AOW interview with Mad Man Pondo.
** When WWE creative approached him with the idea of having a security force stable centered around him, they suggested [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]], Wrestling/TheBigShow, and one call-up from developmental (most likely Wrestling/SethRollins). He had an idea instead for the stable to be ''all'' developmental call-ups, specifically featuring Rollins along with Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. They liked the idea, but rejected Hero, so we got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead and Punk wasn't directly involved with the end product of Wrestling/TheShield.
** He, Colt Cabana and Wrestling/SherriMartel were in the running for a ''Jerry Springer'' booking according to AOW interview with Mad Man Pondo.
** When WWE creative approached him with the idea of having a security force stable centered around him, they suggested [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]], Wrestling/TheBigShow, and one call-up from developmental (most likely Wrestling/SethRollins). He had an idea instead for the stable to be ''all'' developmental call-ups, specifically featuring Rollins along with Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. They liked the idea, but rejected Hero, so we got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead and Punk wasn't directly involved with the end product of Wrestling/TheShield.
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* RoleEndingMisdemeanor: It was believed that his original firing from TNA was because he got into a fist fight with Teddy Hart at a local restaurant (Punk and Teddy were firing shots at each other on the internet after Teddy's infamous SpotMonkey incident at an ROH show). Punk himself, however, denies this -- he claims that the actual reason he was fired was the standard "creative had nothing for him".
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* RealitySubtext: One of CM Punk's [[CharacterTics tics]] in IWA Mid-South was to bail from the ring before the start of a match and get in the face of a fan who was badmouthing him or who he thought was badmouthing him. This was later revealed not to be so much his gimmick as him trying to prove fans would still stab a pro wrestler if provoked enough. Punk was proven wrong. Security did have to restrain a few people but none had knives.
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* ExecutiveVeto: Says he got to keep his ring name and gimmick because Paul Heyman was against repackaging CM Punk.
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* ExecutiveVeto: Says he got to keep his ring name and gimmick because Paul Heyman was against repackaging CM Punk. Depending on when this happened, Alexis Laree might have benefited to, as she was still around Punk around the time "writers" were experimenting with a new gimmick for him.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: An 8-year-old Punk appeared on the Bozo The Clown show in the mid-80s. The IWC went {{Squee}}. He was a snarker even back then.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: ExecutiveVeto: Says he got to keep his ring name and gimmick because Paul Heyman was against repackaging CM Punk.
* HeyItsThatGuy
** An 8-year-old Punk appeared on the Bozo The Clown show in the mid-80s. The IWC went {{Squee}}. He was a snarker even back then.
* HeyItsThatGuy
** An 8-year-old Punk appeared on the Bozo The Clown show in the mid-80s. The IWC went {{Squee}}. He was a snarker even back then.
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* BigNameFan: Of Wrestling/EddieGuerrero. Even after Punk became a wrestler himself he gives credit to Eddie for making him a ''good'' wrestler.
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* BigNameFan: BigNameFan
** Of Wrestling/EddieGuerrero. Even after Punk became a wrestler himself he gives credit to Eddie for making him a ''good''wrestler.wrestler.
** Wrestling/SaraDelRey cited Punk as the reason to watch their programing back when her number one goal was to make it to WWE.
** Of Wrestling/EddieGuerrero. Even after Punk became a wrestler himself he gives credit to Eddie for making him a ''good''
** Wrestling/SaraDelRey cited Punk as the reason to watch their programing back when her number one goal was to make it to WWE.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Eventually married Wrestling/AJLee.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Tracy Brooks, Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Eventually married Wrestling/AJLee.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: When WWE creative approached him with the idea of having a security force stable centered around him, they suggested Wrestling/DanielBryan, Wrestling/TheBigShow, and one call-up from developmental (most likely Wrestling/SethRollins). He had an idea instead for the stable to be ''all'' developmental call-ups, specifically featuring Rollins along with Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. They liked the idea, but rejected Hero, so we got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead and Punk wasn't directly involved with the end product of Wrestling/TheShield.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: When WWE creative approached him with the idea of having a security force stable centered around him, they suggested Wrestling/DanielBryan, [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]], Wrestling/TheBigShow, and one call-up from developmental (most likely Wrestling/SethRollins). He had an idea instead for the stable to be ''all'' developmental call-ups, specifically featuring Rollins along with Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. They liked the idea, but rejected Hero, so we got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead and Punk wasn't directly involved with the end product of Wrestling/TheShield.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: He had an idea to lead a stable featuring Wrestling/SethRollins, Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. We got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead of Hero and Punk wasn't directly involved with Wrestling/TheShield.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: When WWE creative approached him with the idea of having a security force stable centered around him, they suggested Wrestling/DanielBryan, Wrestling/TheBigShow, and one call-up from developmental (most likely Wrestling/SethRollins). He had an idea to lead a instead for the stable to be ''all'' developmental call-ups, specifically featuring Wrestling/SethRollins, Rollins along with Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. We They liked the idea, but rejected Hero, so we got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead of Hero and Punk wasn't directly involved with the end product of Wrestling/TheShield.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now married to Wrestling/AJLee.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now Eventually married to Wrestling/AJLee.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now married to Wrestling/AJLee.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now married to Wrestling/AJLee.Wrestling/AJLee.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: He had an idea to lead a stable featuring Wrestling/SethRollins, Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. We got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead of Hero and Punk wasn't directly involved with Wrestling/TheShield.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: He had an idea to lead a stable featuring Wrestling/SethRollins, Wrestling/DeanAmbrose and Wrestling/ChrisHero. We got Wrestling/RomanReigns instead of Hero and Punk wasn't directly involved with Wrestling/TheShield.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now married to Wrestling/AJLee.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated [[Wrestling/DaffneyUnger Lucy]], Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now married to Wrestling/AJLee.
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*** Alternatively, it could be a DevelopmentGag alluding to when he got his head shaved by Rey Mysterio. Punk's original concept for the mask (before VinceMcMahon made him change it), included devil horns.
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*** Alternatively, it could be a DevelopmentGag alluding to when he got his head shaved by Rey Mysterio. Punk's original concept for the mask (before VinceMcMahon Wrestling/VinceMcMahon made him change it), included devil horns.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now married to Wrestling/AJLee.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated BethPhoenix Wrestling/BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now married to Wrestling/AJLee.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now engaged to AJLee.
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** In this [[http://whatculture.com/wwe/9-wrestling-moments-involving-future-stars-young.php/9 article]], a younger Punk was seen with [[Wrestling/SteveAustin]], twice.
* IronyAsSheIsCast:
* IronyAsSheIsCast:
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** In this [[http://whatculture.com/wwe/9-wrestling-moments-involving-future-stars-young.php/9 article]], a younger Punk was seen with [[Wrestling/SteveAustin]], Wrestling/SteveAustin, twice.
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** In this [[http://whatculture.com/wwe/9-wrestling-moments-involving-future-stars-young.php/9 article]], a younger Punk was seen with [[Wrestling/SteveAustin]], twice.
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* BigNameFan: Of Wrestling/EddieGuerrero. Even after Punk became a wrestler himself he gives credit to Eddie for making him a ''good'' wrestler.
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** Also, he's a fan of many aspects of pop culture, as he often quotes other media. A good example would be him comparing
Laurinaitis to Lumbergh from ''Film/OfficeSpace'' without any of the comedy and blasting Lauranitis for being so out of touch.
Laurinaitis to Lumbergh from ''Film/OfficeSpace'' without any of the comedy and blasting Lauranitis for being so out of touch.
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** Also, he's a fan of many aspects of pop culture, as he often quotes other media. A good example would be him comparing
comparing Laurinaitis to Lumbergh from ''Film/OfficeSpace'' without any of the comedy and blasting Lauranitis for being so out of touch.
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* OneOfUs:
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** Also, he's a fan of many aspects of pop culture, as he often quotes other media. A good example would be him comparing Laurinaitis to Lumbergh from ''Film/OfficeSpace'' without any of the comedy and blasting Lauranitis for being so out of touch.
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** Also, he's a fan of many aspects of pop culture, as he often quotes other media. A good example would be him comparing comparing
Laurinaitis to Lumbergh from ''Film/OfficeSpace'' without any of the comedy and blasting Lauranitis for being so out oftouch.touch.
** [[http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/93004003859898368 Posted on his Twitter]] the morning after he won the WWE title from John Cena at Money In The Bank 2011: "On my couch. [[OneOfUs About to put the title on the line against]] [[VideoGame/PunchOut Piston Honda]]."
Laurinaitis to Lumbergh from ''Film/OfficeSpace'' without any of the comedy and blasting Lauranitis for being so out of
** [[http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/93004003859898368 Posted on his Twitter]] the morning after he won the WWE title from John Cena at Money In The Bank 2011: "On my couch. [[OneOfUs About to put the title on the line against]] [[VideoGame/PunchOut Piston Honda]]."
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}. Now apparently in a relationship with AJLee.
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* AuthorExistenceFailure:
** Punk was scheduled to wrestle Wrestling/ChrisBenoit for the vacant ECW Championship at ''Vengeance: Night of Champions'' in 2007. Benoit never made it to the show, and a day later, everyone found out why.
** Dear Wrestling/JohnMorrison: [[CrossingTheLineTwice Who died and made you champion?]]
** Punk was scheduled to wrestle Wrestling/ChrisBenoit for the vacant ECW Championship at ''Vengeance: Night of Champions'' in 2007. Benoit never made it to the show, and a day later, everyone found out why.
** Dear Wrestling/JohnMorrison: [[CrossingTheLineTwice Who died and made you champion?]]
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** Punk's increasingly mad savior character from Straight Edge Society and Wrestling/TheNexus has a lot of creepy religious undertones; real-life Punk is notoriously anti-religious. His response to Teddy Hart saying God made him able to jump off a thirty foot cage?
--> "There is no god, and that cage wasn't thirty feet."
** [[http://www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-hell-in-a-cell-live-on-pay-per-view-october-28-2012-26051316 CM Punk as Satan]]
*** Which itself was a nod taken UpToEleven at a line Punk said in the promo that turned him heel and started the original Summer of Punk.
*** Alternatively, it could be a DevelopmentGag alluding to when he got his head shaved by Rey Mysterio. Punk's original concept for the mask (before VinceMcMahon made him change it), included devil horns.
** Punk's increasingly mad savior character from Straight Edge Society and Wrestling/TheNexus has a lot of creepy religious undertones; real-life Punk is notoriously anti-religious. His response to Teddy Hart saying God made him able to jump off a thirty foot cage?
--> "There is no god, and that cage wasn't thirty feet."
** [[http://www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-hell-in-a-cell-live-on-pay-per-view-october-28-2012-26051316 CM Punk as Satan]]
*** Which itself was a nod taken UpToEleven at a line Punk said in the promo that turned him heel and started the original Summer of Punk.
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* PromotedFanboy: According to the WWE-produced Best in the World DVD, one of Punk's ex-girlfriends mentioned that Punk is intensely devoted to the wrestling business and being a professional wrestler.
* RevivalByCommercialization: His revival of "Cult of Personality" by Music/LivingColour as a theme in 2011 led to a resurgence of popularity in the iTunes charts, especially in the U.S. and the UK.
* RevivalByCommercialization: His revival of "Cult of Personality" by Music/LivingColour as a theme in 2011 led to a resurgence of popularity in the iTunes charts, especially in the U.S. and the UK.
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* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}.
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* OneOfUs: He is a [[http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/84656506561241088 comic reader]] and self-described [[http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/105052917869981696 nerd]].
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* OneOfUs: OneOfUs:
** He is a [[http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/84656506561241088 comic reader]] and self-described [[http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/105052917869981696nerd]].nerd]].
*** Big fan of Creator/MarvelComics, especially LarryHama's [[ComicBook/GIJoeARealAmericanHeroMarvel G .I. Joe]].
** Also, he's a fan of many aspects of pop culture, as he often quotes other media. A good example would be him comparing Laurinaitis to Lumbergh from ''Film/OfficeSpace'' without any of the comedy and blasting Lauranitis for being so out of touch.
* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}.
** He is a [[http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/84656506561241088 comic reader]] and self-described [[http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/105052917869981696
*** Big fan of Creator/MarvelComics, especially LarryHama's [[ComicBook/GIJoeARealAmericanHeroMarvel G .I. Joe]].
** Also, he's a fan of many aspects of pop culture, as he often quotes other media. A good example would be him comparing Laurinaitis to Lumbergh from ''Film/OfficeSpace'' without any of the comedy and blasting Lauranitis for being so out of touch.
* RomanceOnTheSet: Dated BethPhoenix as well as Wrestling/{{Lita}}.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xZNmdAkI4 An 8-year-old Punk]] appeared on the Bozo The Clown show in the mid-80s. The IWC went {{Squee}}. He was a snarker even back then.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xZNmdAkI4 An 8-year-old Punk]] Punk appeared on the Bozo The Clown show in the mid-80s. The IWC went {{Squee}}. He was a snarker even back then.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xZNmdAkI4 An 8-year-old Punk]] appeared on the BozoTheClown show in the mid-80s. The {{IWC}} went {{Squee}}.
** He was a snarker even back then.
** He was a snarker even back then.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xZNmdAkI4 An 8-year-old Punk]] appeared on the BozoTheClown Bozo The Clown show in the mid-80s. The {{IWC}} IWC went {{Squee}}.
**{{Squee}}. He was a snarker even back then.
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** He was a snarker even back then.
** He was a snarker even back then.