History Trivia / BatmanReturns

20th Jun '17 2:23:48 PM Green_lantern40
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** There was talk of having Creator/JackNicholson return as the Joker, despite his fate at the end of the previous film (though it's not exactly unheard of for the Joker to come BackFromTheDead in the comics). All of this was thrown out once Creator/TimBurton agreed to return as director because he didn't want to make a ''direct'' sequel for whatever reason, though the film did still reference the previous film's events by mentioning Vicki Vale.

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** There was talk of having Creator/JackNicholson return as the Joker, despite his fate at the end of the previous film (though it's not exactly unheard of for the Joker to come BackFromTheDead in the comics). All of this was thrown out once Creator/TimBurton agreed to return as director because he didn't want to make a ''direct'' sequel for whatever reason, reason (it helped that he [[CreatorBacklash wasn't too thrilled]] about the first film, plus he dislikes sequels in general), though the film did still reference the previous film's events by mentioning Vicki Vale.
20th Jun '17 2:21:25 PM Green_lantern40
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** There was talk of having Creator/JackNicholson return as the Joker, despite his fate at the end of the previous film. All of this was thrown out once Creator/TimBurton agreed to return as director because he didn't want to make a ''direct'' sequel for whatever reason, though the film did still reference the previous film's events by mentioning Vicki Vale.

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** There was talk of having Creator/JackNicholson return as the Joker, despite his fate at the end of the previous film.film (though it's not exactly unheard of for the Joker to come BackFromTheDead in the comics). All of this was thrown out once Creator/TimBurton agreed to return as director because he didn't want to make a ''direct'' sequel for whatever reason, though the film did still reference the previous film's events by mentioning Vicki Vale.



* WorkingTitle: ''Batman Return'''s working title was "Dictel".

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* WorkingTitle: ''Batman Return'''s working title was "Dictel".
11th May '17 8:44:32 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* DVDCommentary: Creator/TimBurton provides a somewhat insightful one, laced with a lot of rambling and giggles.
27th Feb '17 7:53:06 AM Lance
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* RebuiltSet: The exterior Gotham City main street set was redesigned, but still retained ''some'' recognisable elements of the set as seen in the previous movie. The 1989 film had been shot over in London, but the sequel was made in Hollywood, hence the need to rebuild several of the sets completely from scratch.
5th Jan '17 12:30:42 AM AlternativeCola
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** Creator/AnnetteBening of all people was Creator/TimBurton's original choice to play Selina/Catwoman, but she turned it down due to her pregnancy at the time. Creator/SeanYoung, still bitter over losing the role of Vicki Vale in 1989's ''Batman'', lobbied hard to secure the role as Catwoman, even going as far as to confront Burton at the Warner Bros. studios, wearing a homemade Catwoman costume... with disastrous results that permanently damaged her career. Other candidates were Ellen Barkin, Jennifer Beals, Creator/LorraineBracco [[note]] She chose ''Film/MedicineMan'' instead. [[/note]], Music/{{Cher}}, Creator/GeenaDavis [[note]] She chose ''Film/ALeagueOfTheirOwn'' instead. [[/note]], Bridget Fonda, Creator/JodieFoster [[note]] She chose ''Film/LittleManTate'' instead. [[/note]], Creator/NicoleKidman, Creator/JenniferJasonLeigh, Music/{{Madonna}} [[note]] Like Davis, she chose ''Film/ALeagueOfTheirOwn'' instead. [[/note]], Creator/DemiMoore, Creator/SusanSarandon [[note]] She was interested, but dropped out to star in ''Film/LorenzosOil'', a role which, ironically, had been vacated by Creator/MichellePfeiffer [[/note]], Brooke Shields [[note]] Burton turned her down because she was no longer a bankable star [[/note]], Creator/MerylStreep [[note]] Burton thought she was too old [[/note]], Creator/SigourneyWeaver [[note]] She chose ''Film/AlienThree'' instead. [[/note]] and Raquel Welch.

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** Creator/AnnetteBening of all people was Creator/TimBurton's original choice to play Selina/Catwoman, but she turned it down due to her pregnancy at the time. Creator/SeanYoung, still bitter over losing the role of Vicki Vale in 1989's ''Batman'', lobbied hard to secure the role as Catwoman, even going as far as to confront Burton at the Warner Bros. studios, wearing a homemade Catwoman costume... with disastrous results that permanently damaged her career. Other candidates were Ellen Barkin, Jennifer Beals, Creator/LorraineBracco [[note]] She chose ''Film/MedicineMan'' instead. [[/note]], Music/{{Cher}}, Creator/GeenaDavis [[note]] She chose ''Film/ALeagueOfTheirOwn'' instead. [[/note]], Bridget Fonda, Creator/JodieFoster [[note]] She chose ''Film/LittleManTate'' instead. [[/note]], Creator/NicoleKidman, Creator/JenniferJasonLeigh, Music/{{Madonna}} [[note]] Like Davis, she chose ''Film/ALeagueOfTheirOwn'' instead. [[/note]], Creator/DemiMoore, Creator/SusanSarandon [[note]] She was interested, but dropped out to star in ''Film/LorenzosOil'', a role which, ironically, had been vacated by Creator/MichellePfeiffer [[/note]], Brooke Shields [[note]] Burton turned her down because she was no longer a bankable star [[/note]], Creator/MerylStreep [[note]] Burton thought she was too old [[/note]], Creator/SigourneyWeaver [[note]] She chose ''Film/AlienThree'' ''Film/Alien3'' instead. [[/note]] and Raquel Welch.
5th Jan '17 12:30:18 AM AlternativeCola
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** Creator/AnnetteBening of all people was Creator/TimBurton's original choice to play Selina/Catwoman, but she turned it down due to her pregnancy at the time. Creator/SeanYoung, still bitter over losing the role of Vicki Vale in 1989's ''Batman'', lobbied hard to secure the role as Catwoman, even going as far as to confront Burton at the Warner Bros. studios, wearing a homemade Catwoman costume... with disastrous results that permanently damaged her career. Other candidates were Ellen Barkin, Jennifer Beals, Creator/LorraineBracco [[note]] She chose ''Film/MedicineMan'' instead. [[/note]], Music/{{Cher}}, Creator/GeenaDavis[[note]] She chose ''Film/ALeagueOfTheirOwn'' instead. [[/note]] Bridget Fonda, Creator/JodieFoster [[note]] She chose ''Film/LittleManTate'' instead. [[/note]], Creator/NicoleKidman, Creator/JenniferJasonLeigh, Music/{{Madonna}}, Creator/DemiMoore, Creator/SusanSarandon [[note]] She was interested, but dropped out to star in ''Film/LorenzosOil'', a role which, ironically, had been vacated by Creator/MichellePfeiffer [[/note]], Brooke Shields [[note]] Burton turned her down because she was no longer a bankable star [[/note]], Creator/MerylStreep [[note]] Burton thought she was too old [[/note]], Creator/SigourneyWeaver and Raquel Welch.

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** Creator/AnnetteBening of all people was Creator/TimBurton's original choice to play Selina/Catwoman, but she turned it down due to her pregnancy at the time. Creator/SeanYoung, still bitter over losing the role of Vicki Vale in 1989's ''Batman'', lobbied hard to secure the role as Catwoman, even going as far as to confront Burton at the Warner Bros. studios, wearing a homemade Catwoman costume... with disastrous results that permanently damaged her career. Other candidates were Ellen Barkin, Jennifer Beals, Creator/LorraineBracco [[note]] She chose ''Film/MedicineMan'' instead. [[/note]], Music/{{Cher}}, Creator/GeenaDavis[[note]] Creator/GeenaDavis [[note]] She chose ''Film/ALeagueOfTheirOwn'' instead. [[/note]] [[/note]], Bridget Fonda, Creator/JodieFoster [[note]] She chose ''Film/LittleManTate'' instead. [[/note]], Creator/NicoleKidman, Creator/JenniferJasonLeigh, Music/{{Madonna}}, Music/{{Madonna}} [[note]] Like Davis, she chose ''Film/ALeagueOfTheirOwn'' instead. [[/note]], Creator/DemiMoore, Creator/SusanSarandon [[note]] She was interested, but dropped out to star in ''Film/LorenzosOil'', a role which, ironically, had been vacated by Creator/MichellePfeiffer [[/note]], Brooke Shields [[note]] Burton turned her down because she was no longer a bankable star [[/note]], Creator/MerylStreep [[note]] Burton thought she was too old [[/note]], Creator/SigourneyWeaver [[note]] She chose ''Film/AlienThree'' instead. [[/note]] and Raquel Welch.
1st Dec '16 1:10:14 PM Anddrix
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* CallBack: In the finished cut of the film, Selina's cat is named Miss Kitty - but in Sam Hamm's original ''Batman 2'' script, its' name was Hecate, which was the name of Catwoman's cat in the [[Film/BatmanTheMovie 1966 film]].



* EndOfAnEra: This was one of the last major Hollywood films to be done "the old-fashioned way", with indoor soundstages, tromphe l'oeil sets, miniatures, and various other vestiges of old-school Hollywood filmmaking; the very next year, ''Film/JurassicPark'' came along and [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore nothing was the same after that]]. Later viewers have even criticized the film for its "cramped staging"...which is a little unfair, because Creator/TimBurton deliberately had the sets constructed that way as a tribute to the German expressionist melodramas of the early 1920s (where the cramped mise-en-scene was ''also'' deliberate). Not that ''Batman Returns'' wasn't also a gateway to the future: it was the very first film recorded with Dolby digitalized sound, the first to be released in more than 2,000 movie theaters across America simultaneously, and one of the first to integrate computer-animated graphics seamlessly into a (semi-)realistic story.
* ExecutiveMeddling: See below -- WhatCouldHaveBeen.

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* EndOfAnEra: This was one of the last major Hollywood films to be done "the old-fashioned way", with indoor soundstages, tromphe l'oeil sets, miniatures, and various other vestiges of old-school Hollywood filmmaking; the very next year, ''Film/JurassicPark'' came along and [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore nothing was the same after that]]. Later viewers have even criticized the film for its "cramped staging"...which is a little unfair, because Creator/TimBurton deliberately had the sets constructed that way as a tribute to the German expressionist melodramas of the early 1920s (where the cramped mise-en-scene was ''also'' deliberate). Not that ''Batman Returns'' wasn't also a gateway to the future: it was the very first film recorded with Dolby digitalized sound, the first to be released in more than 2,000 movie theaters across America simultaneously, and one of the first to integrate computer-animated graphics seamlessly into a (semi-)realistic story.
%% * ExecutiveMeddling: See below -- WhatCouldHaveBeen.



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30th Nov '16 11:22:03 PM goldengardengal
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* CallBack: In the finished cut of the film, Selina's cat is named Miss Kitty - but in Sam Hamm's original ''Batman 2'' script, its' name was Hecate, which was the name of Catwoman's cat in the [[Film/BatmanTheMovie 1966 film]].
30th Nov '16 11:10:08 PM goldengardengal
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** Sam Hamm's original script for "Batman 2" included a few {{Continuity Nod}}s to the first film, such as Bruce proposing to Vicki Vale, a souvenir store selling scraps of the wrecked Batplane and more insights to the deceased Joker. Catwoman and the non-deformed Penguin were featured, but neither had an origin story, and the Penguin was given the alias "Mr. Boniface" in a MythologyGag (his original alias in the comics; "Oswald Cobblepot" is nowhere to be found). The Penguin enters the film when he is released from prison for previous offenses, Catwoman comes in when he hires her for her burglary skills, and both go off searching for buried treasure. Also, in this script, Selina has already taken on her Catwoman persona before the film's events, and is an out-and-out villain, murdering police officers and millionaires in cold blood.

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** Sam Hamm's original script for "Batman 2" included a few {{Continuity Nod}}s to the first film, such as Bruce proposing to Vicki Vale, a souvenir store selling scraps of the wrecked Batplane and more insights to the deceased Joker. Catwoman and the non-deformed Penguin were featured, but neither had an origin story, and the Penguin was given the alias "Mr. Boniface" in a MythologyGag (his original alias in the comics; "Oswald Cobblepot" is nowhere to be found). The Penguin enters the film when he is released from prison for previous offenses, Catwoman comes in when he hires her for her burglary skills, and both go off searching for buried treasure. Also, in this script, Selina has already taken on her Catwoman persona before the film's events, and is an out-and-out villain, mutilating street thugs and murdering police officers and millionaires in cold blood.blood. Also, Dick Grayson in this iteration of the script is noticeably darker than most of his other portrayals, chastising Batman for not killing criminals.
30th Nov '16 11:00:08 PM goldengardengal
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** Sam Hamm's original script for "Batman 2" included a few {{Continuity Nod}}s to the first film, such as Bruce proposing to Vicki Vale, a souvenir store selling scraps of the wrecked Batplane and more insights to the deceased Joker. Catwoman and the non-deformed Penguin were featured, but neither had an origin story, and the Penguin was given the alias "Mr. Boniface" in a MythologyGag (his original alias in the comics; "Oswald Cobblepot" is nowhere to be found). The Penguin enters the film when he is released from prison for previous offenses, Catwoman comes in when he hires her for her burglary skills, and both go off searching for buried treasure.

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** Sam Hamm's original script for "Batman 2" included a few {{Continuity Nod}}s to the first film, such as Bruce proposing to Vicki Vale, a souvenir store selling scraps of the wrecked Batplane and more insights to the deceased Joker. Catwoman and the non-deformed Penguin were featured, but neither had an origin story, and the Penguin was given the alias "Mr. Boniface" in a MythologyGag (his original alias in the comics; "Oswald Cobblepot" is nowhere to be found). The Penguin enters the film when he is released from prison for previous offenses, Catwoman comes in when he hires her for her burglary skills, and both go off searching for buried treasure. Also, in this script, Selina has already taken on her Catwoman persona before the film's events, and is an out-and-out villain, murdering police officers and millionaires in cold blood.
** This original script is also, surprisingly, even ''more'' violent than the final product.
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