History Trivia / BatmanReturns

11th Feb '18 12:42:25 PM i4wpuw6sh8
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* EvilerThanThou: A remarkable (almost) out-of-universe example, as Danny [=DeVito=] [[NightmareFetishist (who doesn't need a Gothic setting or Reagan/Bush-era black comedy to come across as sinister)]] continued to act as the Penguin even when the cameras weren't rolling (see below) and caused Michelle Pfeiffer to be quite frightened when she was around him. But then, nothing less could be expected from [=DeVito=], who at that point in his career had a screen persona so macabre that he made Christopher Walken - who, for his part, was almost not cast because ''Tim Burton himself'' was creeped out by him - look sunshiney by comparison.

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* EvilerThanThou: A remarkable (almost) out-of-universe example, as Danny [=DeVito=] [[NightmareFetishist (who doesn't need a Gothic setting or Reagan/Bush-era black comedy to come across as sinister)]] continued to act as the Penguin even when the cameras weren't rolling (see below) and caused Michelle Pfeiffer to be quite frightened when she was around him. But then, nothing less could be expected from [=DeVito=], who at that point in his career had a screen persona so macabre that he made Christopher Walken - who, for his part, was almost not cast because ''Tim ''[[HorrifyingTheHorror Tim Burton himself'' himself]]'' [[HorrifyingTheHorror was creeped out by him him]] - look sunshiney by comparison.
11th Feb '18 12:40:08 PM i4wpuw6sh8
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* EvilerThanThou: A remarkable (almost) out-of-universe example, as Danny [=DeVito=] [[NightmareFuelStationAttendant (who doesn't need a Gothic setting or Reagan/Bush-era black comedy to come across as sinister)]] continued to act as the Penguin even when the cameras weren't rolling (see below) and caused Michelle Pfeiffer to be quite frightened when she was around him. But then, nothing less could be expected from [=DeVito=], who at that point in his career had a screen persona so macabre that he made Christopher Walken - who, for his part, was almost not cast because ''Tim Burton himself'' was creeped out by him - look sunshiney by comparison.

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* EvilerThanThou: A remarkable (almost) out-of-universe example, as Danny [=DeVito=] [[NightmareFuelStationAttendant [[NightmareFetishist (who doesn't need a Gothic setting or Reagan/Bush-era black comedy to come across as sinister)]] continued to act as the Penguin even when the cameras weren't rolling (see below) and caused Michelle Pfeiffer to be quite frightened when she was around him. But then, nothing less could be expected from [=DeVito=], who at that point in his career had a screen persona so macabre that he made Christopher Walken - who, for his part, was almost not cast because ''Tim Burton himself'' was creeped out by him - look sunshiney by comparison.
11th Feb '18 12:38:30 PM i4wpuw6sh8
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* EvilerThanThou: A remarkable (almost) out-of-universe example, as Danny [=DeVito=] [[NightmareFuelStationAttendant (who doesn't need a Gothic setting or Reagan/Bush-era black comedy to come across as sinister)]] continued to act as the Penguin even when the cameras weren't rolling (see below) and caused Michelle Pfeiffer to be quite frightened when she was around him. But then, nothing less could be expected from [=DeVito=], who at that point in his career had a screen persona so macabre that he made Christopher Walken - who, for his part, was almost not cast because ''Tim Burton himself'' was creeped out by him - look sunshiney by comparison.
11th Feb '18 12:33:03 PM i4wpuw6sh8
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** The ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Simpsons]]'' episode "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E5SideshowBobRoberts Sideshow Bob Roberts]]" has a plot that [[FridgeBrilliance (unintentionally)]] closely parallels this movie's, with a seemingly reformed criminal running for mayor and a visit to a Hall of Records (albeit by a sympathetic character [[note]] Lisa [[/note]] rather than a villain).

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** The ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Simpsons]]'' episode "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E5SideshowBobRoberts Sideshow Bob Roberts]]" has a plot that [[FridgeBrilliance (unintentionally)]] closely parallels this movie's, with a seemingly reformed criminal (also backed by a political machine headed by an industrialist) running for mayor and a visit to a Hall of Records (albeit by a sympathetic character [[note]] Lisa [[/note]] rather than a villain).
24th Jan '18 2:52:51 AM gjjones
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* CelebrityVoiceActor: In the Japanese dub, Catwoman is voiced by veteran actress Reiko Tajima.

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* CelebrityVoiceActor: In the Japanese dub, besides Hiroyuki Watanabe reprising his role from the previous film, Catwoman is voiced by veteran actress Reiko Tajima.Tajima and Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin is voiced by film and stage actor Ben Hiura.
24th Jan '18 2:43:22 AM gjjones
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* CelebrityVoiceActor: In the Japanese dub, Catwoman is voiced by veteran actress Reiko Tajima.
12th Jan '18 2:33:04 AM jormis29
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** The character of Max Shreck was originally written for Harvey Dent (Billy Dee Williams), thus explaining the character's political ambitions. The film would have ended on a cliffhanger, with the explosion at the end only scarring him.

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** The character of Max Shreck was originally written for Harvey Dent (Billy Dee Williams), (Creator/BillyDeeWilliams), thus explaining the character's political ambitions. The film would have ended on a cliffhanger, with the explosion at the end only scarring him.
13th Dec '17 1:10:03 PM ScroogeMacDuck
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* DawsonCasting: Forty-seven-year-old Creator/DannyDeVito as 33-year-old Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin.

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* DawsonCasting: Forty-seven-year-old Creator/DannyDeVito as 33-year-old Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] because the Penguin is actually supposed to look older than his age due to his deformities and his utterly unhealthy life in the sewers in fact, the makeup makes the Penguin appear rather older than De Vito ''sans'' make-up did at the time.
23rd Oct '17 7:05:22 PM killerzuera
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** Creator/DustinHoffman was reportedly interested in playing the Penguin. Burton wanted Creator/MarlonBrando, but everyone (including Creator/BobKane) thought he would be wrong for the part. Creator/JohnCandy and Creator/BobHoskins were also considered.
19th Oct '17 4:47:22 PM ClintEastwood
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** Sam Hamm's original script for "Batman 2" included a few {{Continuity Nod}}s to the first film, such as Bruce proposing to Vicki Vale, a souvenir store selling scraps of the wrecked Batplane and more insights to the deceased Joker. Catwoman and the non-deformed Penguin were featured, but neither had an origin story, and the Penguin was given the alias "Mr. Boniface" in a MythologyGag (his original alias in the comics; "Oswald Cobblepot" is nowhere to be found). The Penguin enters the film when he is released from prison for previous offenses, Catwoman comes in when he hires her for her burglary skills, and both go off searching for buried treasure. Also, in this script, Selina has already taken on her Catwoman persona before the film's events, and is an out-and-out villain, mutilating street thugs and murdering police officers and millionaires in cold blood. Also, Dick Grayson in this iteration of the script is noticeably darker than most of his other portrayals, chastising Batman for not killing criminals.
** This original script is also, surprisingly, even ''more'' violent than the final product.

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** Sam Hamm's original script for "Batman 2" ''Batman 2'' included a few {{Continuity Nod}}s to the first film, such as Bruce proposing to Vicki Vale, a souvenir store selling scraps of the wrecked Batplane and more insights to the deceased Joker. Catwoman and the non-deformed Penguin were featured, but neither had an origin story, and the Penguin was given the alias "Mr. Boniface" in a MythologyGag (his original alias in the comics; "Oswald Cobblepot" is nowhere to be found). The Penguin enters the film when he is released from prison for previous offenses, Catwoman comes in when he hires her for her burglary skills, and both go off searching for buried treasure. Also, in this script, Selina has already taken on her Catwoman persona before the film's events, and is an out-and-out villain, mutilating street thugs and murdering police officers and millionaires in cold blood. Also, Dick Grayson in this iteration of the script is noticeably darker than most of his other portrayals, chastising Batman for not killing criminals.
** *** This original script is also, surprisingly, even ''more'' violent than the final product.



** In Daniel Waters' original treatment, the initial attack on Gotham Plaza is a lot more elaborate, with the thugs invading before the tree-lighting ceremony begins and infiltrating Max Shreck's penthouse office, taking Max, Chip, the Mayor, and Selina hostage. Batman has to fight his way up to the penthouse level to save them, in the process leaving the Batmobile behind in an alley - but forgetting to put the shields down on the car. Even more of the Penguin's thugs then approach the exposed automobile and take photographs of it (thus providing an explanation as to how The Penguin got the blueprints to the Batmobile). The novelization indicates the Penguin got the plans from a disgruntled engineer who helped design it.



** Burgess Meredith (who played Penguin in the 60's ''Series/{{Batman}}'' series) was considered to play Penguin's father; however, he was unable to appear due to complications resulting from lung cancer.
* WorkingTitle: "Dictel".

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** Burgess Meredith Creator/BurgessMeredith (who played Penguin in the 60's ''Series/{{Batman}}'' series) was considered to play Penguin's father; however, he was unable to appear due to complications resulting from lung cancer.
* WorkingTitle: "Dictel".''Dictel''.
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