History Trivia / BabylonFive

12th Mar '17 4:20:03 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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*** The Minbari association with 3 would seem, however, to explain Deep Space Nine's titular station design. Three sections (core, habitat, docking), three sets of docking pylons, three vertical docking levels (2-pylon and 1-ring), 9 docking ports around the perimeter, three spokes...

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*** The Minbari association with 3 would seem, however, to explain Deep Space Nine's titular station design. Three sections (core, habitat, docking), three sets of docking pylons, three vertical docking levels (2-pylon and 1-ring), 9 docking ports around the perimeter, three spokes...spokes....



** Then there are the computer interfaces; the buttons look like colorful candy, and the interfaces look like a child's computer game...from the 80's.

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** Then there are the computer interfaces; the buttons look like colorful candy, and the interfaces look like a child's computer game... from the 80's.



** JMS once asked actor Wortham Krimmer to tone down Emperor Cartagia's fey behavior, to which Krimmer responded, "Well, Joe, he's bisexual, don't you know." When JMS gave an "[[WagTheDirector oh really]]" sort of reply, Krimmer said, "Absolutely. He's the emperor. He can f--- anyone he wants."

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** JMS once asked actor Wortham Krimmer to tone down Emperor Cartagia's fey behavior, to which Krimmer responded, "Well, Joe, he's bisexual, don't you know." When JMS gave an "[[WagTheDirector oh really]]" sort of reply, Krimmer said, "Absolutely. He's the emperor. He can f--- f-- anyone he wants."
9th Mar '17 7:01:53 AM Fighteer
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** You remember that line about "electric bleachers"? You probably thought that JMS was just being grimdark. It's an actual quote from Jerry Doyle which JMS "stole" for the show.
*** Zack Allen's complaints about his uniform not fitting were actual complaints Jeff Conaway made, unaware that JMS had heard him. He was very surprised to see his comments appear in a script.

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** You remember that line about "electric bleachers"? You probably thought that JMS was just being grimdark. It's an actual quote from Jerry Doyle which JMS "stole" for the show.
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Zack Allen's complaints about his uniform not fitting were actual complaints Jeff Conaway made, unaware that JMS had heard him. He was very surprised to see his comments appear in a script.
16th Feb '17 6:17:01 AM themisterfree
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* ChannelHop: From the Creator/{{PTEN}} syndicated package to TNT for the final season.
10th Feb '17 8:52:20 PM creader
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* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** Numerous, but Michael O'Hare having to leave B5 due to struggles with mental illness is the biggest. Had he stayed, the "War without End" story would have been at the end of Season 5 and had a much longer burn.
** If you stop to think about it, the BadFuture in "War Without End" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Valen never travels to the past, who is to say [=B5=] (to say nothing of [=B4=]) would even exist, with all its senior staff still in place? No Valen means no Grey Council, which would upset a lot of events in [=B5=] history. Why would the Shadows use torch cutters in order to fight hand-to-claw (so to speak) when they're just going to blow the station up with their ships anyway?\\\
Well, there's a reason for that. Ivanova's message from the future was supposed to be a {{call forward}} to the ''other'' 5-year series JMS wanted to do that got (mercifully) abandoned at some point: Where [=B5=] fell after [[TheBadGuyWins failing to bring peace]] and Sinclair stole [=B4=], in order to set up a spinoff. In the original storyline, it was the Minbari attacking [=B5=] and destroying it, not the Shadows. The Shadows were supposed to be ultimately defeated during the spin off series: ''[[http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/synopsis-of-jmss-synopsis-of-the-original-arc-for-b5-spoilers.53739/ Babylon Prime.]]''\\\
Of course once Michael O'Hare left they very well couldn't use that ending (since it all hinged on Sinclair). Coupled with worries about even getting [=B5=] finished, JMS merged his original plan for ''Babylon 5'' (basically what we got in season 1 & 3.5) and ''Babylon Prime'' (seasons 3.5 & 5) to create the [=B5=] we got. "War without End" was then used to retconn the vision as being about the Shadows attacking and not the Minbari (whose civil war story line was now moved to season 4). It also allowed the show to better tie together the show by establishing everything was a causality loop.\\\
Considering what JMS was dealing with it's kind of amazing how he managed to pull things off. He combined two 5-year series into a single series. Leading to at most the only complaint being about why the Shadows would bother with a "ground" attack; a minor question mark.
** The reason why the end of season 4 seems so crowded, and the beginning of season 5 seems mostly composed of [[{{Padding}} filler]], is because the show was originally going to be cancelled after four seasons due to Creator/{{PTEN}} going under. Season 4 was originally intended to end with the episode "Intersections in Real Time", and the Earth Civil War would be resolved at the beginning of season 5. Instead, the events of season 4 were shortened by four episodes (removing a story arc about Londo and G'Kar returning to Centauri Prime), and the resolution to the Earth Civil War arc was crammed into three super-dense episodes followed by the grand finale.\\\
Then, at the last, minute the show's fifth season was picked up by cable network {{Creator/TNT}} -- but now they'd already used half a season's worth of material. They filled the gap by stretching the telepath-colony arc from three episodes to '''eleven''' and re-inserting the aforementioned Londo-and-G'Kar arc, as well as including standalone filler episodes ranging in quality, from the yawner "A View from the Gallery" to Creator/NeilGaiman's marvelous "Day Of The Dead".\\\
A new standalone season 4 finale was also hastily shot, with the finale "Sleeping in Light" held back to the end of season 5.
27th Jan '17 8:08:55 AM CheeseDogX
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** Also in the "still funny" category; when Zathras proclaims that he is "trained in crisis management." Buzzwords like that were huge in the 90s.
12th Jan '17 12:57:17 PM CheeseDogX
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** Oddly for Garibaldi, he never crossed paths with his "old friend" in Season 3, instead communicating over an old video recording. This is because Doyle and O'Hare got into a fight when the latter became schizophrenic. Eventually, Doyle gave an ultimatum saying he'd quit if O'Hare remained on the show. Clearly, this ultimatum was still in effect for season 3 (according to Doyle, they'd promised to kick each other's asses) which is why Doyle doesn't share any screen time with him.

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** Oddly for Garibaldi, he never crossed paths with his "old friend" in Season 3, instead communicating over an old video recording. This is because Doyle and O'Hare got into a fight when the latter became schizophrenic. [[note]]If this seems like a RealLife KickTheDog moment, bear in mind that no one but JMS knew he was schizophrenic at the time.[[/note]] Eventually, Doyle gave an ultimatum saying he'd quit if O'Hare remained on the show. Clearly, this ultimatum was still in effect for season 3 (according to Doyle, they'd promised to kick each other's asses) which is why Doyle doesn't share any screen time with him.
12th Jan '17 12:42:49 PM CheeseDogX
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** The Zima ad in the background of ''T.K.O.'' might seem like an example, but JMS purposely put it in there as a gag. He said he would be amazed if Zima still existed in the 21st Century, let alone the 23rd.
12th Jan '17 12:35:29 PM CheeseDogX
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*** Zack Allen's complaints about his uniform not fitting were actual complaints Jeff Conaway made, unaware that JMS had heard him. He was very surprised to see his comments appear in a script.
12th Jan '17 12:28:45 PM CheeseDogX
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* [[PromotedFanboy Promoted Fangirl]]: Tracy Scoggins is a science fiction fan and had been watching the show from the start.

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* [[PromotedFanboy Promoted Fangirl]]: PromotedFanboy: Jeff Conaway was a big supporter of the show pretty much from Day 1.
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Tracy Scoggins is a science fiction fan and had been watching the show from the start.
12th Jan '17 12:17:38 PM CheeseDogX
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** ''In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum'' has a scene where Sheridan starts to apologize to Talia for using her, and she cuts him off by slapping him. According to both JMS and Bruce Boxleitner, Andrea Thompson got herself so worked up in preparation for that moment that she didn't hold back when slapping him. The reactions on the set were all genuine.
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