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8th Aug '16 10:06:26 AM Willbyr
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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': Cell appears to lose brain cells the stronger he gets. Compare Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell. While Imperfect, he's TheChessmaster and a NoNonsenseNemesis who constantly ran circles around the Z-Fighters and outsmarted them on more than one occasion. While Perfect, he's an arrogant, egotistical jackass of a SmugSuper who makes the ''exact same mistakes'' he had previously mocked Vegeta and Trunks for making, such as deliberately angering Gohan enough for him to unlock his hidden power for the sake of a good and challenging fight and HulkingOut without maintaining his speed. It's so bad that ''[[IdiotHero Goku]]'' of all people could [[BatmanGambit play him like a damn fiddle]].
** Speaking of Goku, he qualifies in DragonballSuper (relative to DragonballZ), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.

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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Cell appears to lose brain cells the stronger he gets. Compare Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell. While Imperfect, he's TheChessmaster and a NoNonsenseNemesis who constantly ran circles around the Z-Fighters and outsmarted them on more than one occasion. While Perfect, he's an arrogant, egotistical jackass of a SmugSuper who makes the ''exact same mistakes'' he had previously mocked Vegeta and Trunks for making, such as deliberately angering Gohan enough for him to unlock his hidden power for the sake of a good and challenging fight and HulkingOut without maintaining his speed. It's so bad that ''[[IdiotHero Goku]]'' of all people could [[BatmanGambit play him like a damn fiddle]].
** Speaking of Goku, he qualifies in DragonballSuper ''Anime/DragonballSuper'' (relative to DragonballZ), ''Anime/DragonBallZ''), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ ''Dragon Ball Z'' was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.
2nd Aug '16 7:56:11 PM MJC
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** Speaking of Goku, many fans feel that he qualifies in DragonballSuper (relative to DragonballZ), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.

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** Speaking of Goku, many fans feel that he qualifies in DragonballSuper (relative to DragonballZ), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.
2nd Aug '16 7:49:15 PM MJC
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** Speaking of Goku, many fans feel that he qualifies in DragonballSuper (relative to DragonballZ), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.
25th Mar '16 9:15:15 AM Willbyr
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* ''TenchiMuyo'': Mihoshi, ''especially'' in ''TenchiUniverse''. Somewhat justified in the case of ''TenchiUniverse'' (and ''Tenchi in Tokyo'') since those aren't actually the same Mihoshi, due to those being [[AlternateContinuity alternate continuities]]. Totally unjustified in the 3rd installment of the OVA series, though.

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* ''TenchiMuyo'': ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'': Mihoshi, ''especially'' in ''TenchiUniverse''. ''Anime/TenchiUniverse''. Somewhat justified in the case of ''TenchiUniverse'' ''Tenchi Universe'' (and ''Tenchi in Tokyo'') since those aren't actually the same Mihoshi, due to those being [[AlternateContinuity alternate continuities]]. Totally unjustified in the 3rd installment of the OVA series, though.


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22nd Jan '16 9:18:31 PM Willbyr
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* Arguably Luffy of ''OnePiece''. He was never a genius by any account, but he seems to have gone from "not bothering to understand what people say" to "not able to understand what people say" in some cases. He also showed at least some insight at the start of the series, like realizing how he could make Coby join the Marines and calling Vivi out on how it's naive to hope that nobody will die in a war. He has not really had any of those moments for a long time. However, it may be justified in that Luffy is not good at ''anything'' but fighting and socializing. At the start of the series, he had a very small crew and thus had to handle several tasks himself. Nowadays, his bigger crew of eight members handle all the practical things for him, and in return he beats all the bad guys they don't have a chance against. So when he does not ''have to'' use his brain, he probably has made it a habit to switch it off most of the time. It's noteworthy that when the crew was split up, and he was on his own, he did seem a bit more intelligent and thoughtful, but when he gathered some new allies who could do the thinking work for him, he returned to his usual ditzy self.

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* Arguably Luffy of ''OnePiece''.''Franchise/OnePiece''. He was never a genius by any account, but he seems to have gone from "not bothering to understand what people say" to "not able to understand what people say" in some cases. He also showed at least some insight at the start of the series, like realizing how he could make Coby join the Marines and calling Vivi out on how it's naive to hope that nobody will die in a war. He has not really had any of those moments for a long time. However, it may be justified in that Luffy is not good at ''anything'' but fighting and socializing. At the start of the series, he had a very small crew and thus had to handle several tasks himself. Nowadays, his bigger crew of eight members handle all the practical things for him, and in return he beats all the bad guys they don't have a chance against. So when he does not ''have to'' use his brain, he probably has made it a habit to switch it off most of the time. It's noteworthy that when the crew was split up, and he was on his own, he did seem a bit more intelligent and thoughtful, but when he gathered some new allies who could do the thinking work for him, he returned to his usual ditzy self.
21st Oct '15 2:18:43 PM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': Cell appears to lose brain cells the stronger he gets. Compare Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell. While Imperfect, he's TheChessmaster and a NoNonsenseNemesis who constantly ran circles around the Z-Fighters and outsmarted them on more than one occasion. While Perfect, he's an arrogant, egotistical jackass of a SmugSuper who makes the ''exact same mistakes'' he had previously mocked Vegeta and Trunks for making, such as deliberately angering Gohan enough for him to unlock his hidden power for the sake of a good and challenging fight and HulkingOut without maintaining his speed. It's so bad that ''[[IdiotHero Goku]]'' of all people could [[BatmanGambit play him like a damn fiddle]].
15th Oct '14 9:06:46 AM Gizbit99
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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a mass of stupid people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. An extended period of time between arcs with no intellectual rival, and belief in his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely have something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.

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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a mass of stupid people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. An extended period of time complacency between arcs with no intellectual rival, and belief in his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely have something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
15th Oct '14 9:05:20 AM Gizbit99
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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a mass of stupid people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. Believing his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely has something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.

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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a mass of stupid people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. Believing An extended period of time between arcs with no intellectual rival, and belief in his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely has have something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
7th Jun '14 12:38:35 PM Aiguille
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* Sailor Venus from ''Manga/SailorMoon''. See {{Flanderization}}.

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* Sailor Venus from ''Manga/SailorMoon''.''Anime/SailorMoon''. See {{Flanderization}}.
17th Apr '14 4:54:52 PM tryrar
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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a [[DyingLikeAnimals mass of stupid people]] at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. Believing his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely has something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.

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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a [[DyingLikeAnimals mass of stupid people]] people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. Believing his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely has something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
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