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9th Jan '18 1:22:39 AM Loekman3
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** Speaking of Goku, he qualifies in ''Anime/DragonballSuper'' (relative to ''Anime/DragonBallZ''), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that ''Dragon Ball Z'' was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.

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** Speaking of Goku, he qualifies in ''Anime/DragonballSuper'' ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' (relative to ''Anime/DragonBallZ''), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so.so which goes as far as the ''entire'' universe just to fight in the tournament. However, WordOfGod is that ''Dragon Ball Z'' was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.
16th Aug '17 7:49:45 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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** The degradation arguably occurred before that, considering how Gourry's dumbass swordsman persona was apparently all an act in the original novels.

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** The degradation arguably occurred before that, considering how Gourry's dumbass swordsman persona was apparently [[ObfuscatingStupidity all an act act]] in the original novels.
8th May '17 7:36:07 PM mouschilight
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* As of late, whenever Manga/{{Naruto}} seems to start growing as a character, he immediately takes a level in dumbass. Most notoriously when he doesn't realize anything is wrong during the attack on turtle island by Kabuto and zombie!Deidara. Despite the living island suddenly acting as if it were hit with a high-level earthquake.

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* As of late, whenever Manga/{{Naruto}} Whenever ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' seems to start growing as a character, character in-canon, he immediately takes a level in dumbass.dumbass in the anime {{Filler}}. Most notoriously when he doesn't realize anything is wrong during the attack on turtle island by Kabuto and zombie!Deidara. Despite the living island suddenly acting as if it were hit with a high-level earthquake.
26th Nov '16 10:46:53 AM Prometheus117
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** [[spoiler:[[FusionDance Merged Zamasu]]]] ends up being this compared to his [[spoiler:fusees]] [[EvilTwin Goku Black]] and [[CompleteImmortality Future Zamasu]]. While [[spoiler:Merged Zamasu's]] by far even more immensely powerful than either of them are, he lacks many of their [[CombatPragmatist pragmatist]] traits that made the two so dangerous to the heroes. Granted, they could be arrogant as well, but even Future Zamasu who abused his immortality for all its worth knew the value of fighting in tandem with Black and would even [[StoneWall use himself as a shield to keep unnecessary harm from hitting his partner]]. [[spoiler:Merged Zamasu]], on the other hand, rather than finishing the Z-Fighters off at the first opportunity he chose to toy around with them and tends to use his techniques just to show off. He also kept underestimating his enemies and seemingly cannot accept that the "lowly mortals" somehow manages to even scratch him. This arrogance eventually lets them destroy his physical body. [[spoiler:His EldritchAbomination is this even more as his madness has practically consumed his mind to the point he's barely sentient anymore]].
19th Nov '16 8:58:33 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Cell appears to lose brain cells the stronger he gets. Compare Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell. While Imperfect, he's TheChessmaster and a NoNonsenseNemesis who constantly ran circles around the Z-Fighters and outsmarted them on more than one occasion. While Perfect, he's an arrogant, egotistical jackass of a SmugSuper who makes the ''exact same mistakes'' he had previously mocked Vegeta and Trunks for making, such as deliberately angering Gohan enough for him to unlock his hidden power for the sake of a good and challenging fight and HulkingOut without maintaining his speed. It's so bad that ''[[IdiotHero Goku]]'' of all people could [[BatmanGambit play him like a damn fiddle]].

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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Cell appears to lose brain cells the stronger he gets. Compare Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell. While Imperfect, he's TheChessmaster and a NoNonsenseNemesis who constantly ran circles around the Z-Fighters and outsmarted them on more than one occasion. While Perfect, he's an arrogant, egotistical jackass of a SmugSuper who makes the ''exact same mistakes'' he had previously mocked Vegeta and Trunks for making, such as deliberately angering Gohan enough for him to unlock his hidden power for the sake of a good and challenging fight and HulkingOut without maintaining his speed. It's so bad that ''[[IdiotHero Goku]]'' making. When [[IdiotHero Goku]] of all people could [[BatmanGambit play him like is able to hit you with a damn fiddle]].BatmanGambit, you ''know'' you've latched onto the IdiotBall.
24th Sep '16 4:28:35 PM MitchellProductions
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*** However, they eventually reverted to being comic relief villians.

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*** [[DoubleSubversion However, they eventually reverted to being comic relief villians.]]
8th Aug '16 10:06:26 AM Willbyr
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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': Cell appears to lose brain cells the stronger he gets. Compare Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell. While Imperfect, he's TheChessmaster and a NoNonsenseNemesis who constantly ran circles around the Z-Fighters and outsmarted them on more than one occasion. While Perfect, he's an arrogant, egotistical jackass of a SmugSuper who makes the ''exact same mistakes'' he had previously mocked Vegeta and Trunks for making, such as deliberately angering Gohan enough for him to unlock his hidden power for the sake of a good and challenging fight and HulkingOut without maintaining his speed. It's so bad that ''[[IdiotHero Goku]]'' of all people could [[BatmanGambit play him like a damn fiddle]].
** Speaking of Goku, he qualifies in DragonballSuper (relative to DragonballZ), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.

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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Cell appears to lose brain cells the stronger he gets. Compare Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell. While Imperfect, he's TheChessmaster and a NoNonsenseNemesis who constantly ran circles around the Z-Fighters and outsmarted them on more than one occasion. While Perfect, he's an arrogant, egotistical jackass of a SmugSuper who makes the ''exact same mistakes'' he had previously mocked Vegeta and Trunks for making, such as deliberately angering Gohan enough for him to unlock his hidden power for the sake of a good and challenging fight and HulkingOut without maintaining his speed. It's so bad that ''[[IdiotHero Goku]]'' of all people could [[BatmanGambit play him like a damn fiddle]].
** Speaking of Goku, he qualifies in DragonballSuper ''Anime/DragonballSuper'' (relative to DragonballZ), ''Anime/DragonBallZ''), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ ''Dragon Ball Z'' was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.
2nd Aug '16 7:56:11 PM MJC
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** Speaking of Goku, many fans feel that he qualifies in DragonballSuper (relative to DragonballZ), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.

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** Speaking of Goku, many fans feel that he qualifies in DragonballSuper (relative to DragonballZ), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.
2nd Aug '16 7:49:15 PM MJC
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** Speaking of Goku, many fans feel that he qualifies in DragonballSuper (relative to DragonballZ), as, while he's always been an IdiotHero, ''Super'' puts much more emphasis on the "Idiot" part. He's portrayed as more of a ManChild who doesn't care about much of anything aside from his desire to [[BloodKnight fight strong opponents]] and is willing to risk everyone else's well-being to do so. However, WordOfGod is that DragonballZ was actually an example of AdaptationalHeroism and this is closer to how Goku was originally meant to be portrayed.
25th Mar '16 9:15:15 AM Willbyr
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* ''TenchiMuyo'': Mihoshi, ''especially'' in ''TenchiUniverse''. Somewhat justified in the case of ''TenchiUniverse'' (and ''Tenchi in Tokyo'') since those aren't actually the same Mihoshi, due to those being [[AlternateContinuity alternate continuities]]. Totally unjustified in the 3rd installment of the OVA series, though.

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* ''TenchiMuyo'': ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'': Mihoshi, ''especially'' in ''TenchiUniverse''. ''Anime/TenchiUniverse''. Somewhat justified in the case of ''TenchiUniverse'' ''Tenchi Universe'' (and ''Tenchi in Tokyo'') since those aren't actually the same Mihoshi, due to those being [[AlternateContinuity alternate continuities]]. Totally unjustified in the 3rd installment of the OVA series, though.


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