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22nd Jan '16 9:18:31 PM Willbyr
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* Arguably Luffy of ''OnePiece''. He was never a genius by any account, but he seems to have gone from "not bothering to understand what people say" to "not able to understand what people say" in some cases. He also showed at least some insight at the start of the series, like realizing how he could make Coby join the Marines and calling Vivi out on how it's naive to hope that nobody will die in a war. He has not really had any of those moments for a long time. However, it may be justified in that Luffy is not good at ''anything'' but fighting and socializing. At the start of the series, he had a very small crew and thus had to handle several tasks himself. Nowadays, his bigger crew of eight members handle all the practical things for him, and in return he beats all the bad guys they don't have a chance against. So when he does not ''have to'' use his brain, he probably has made it a habit to switch it off most of the time. It's noteworthy that when the crew was split up, and he was on his own, he did seem a bit more intelligent and thoughtful, but when he gathered some new allies who could do the thinking work for him, he returned to his usual ditzy self.
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* Arguably Luffy of ''OnePiece''.''Franchise/OnePiece''. He was never a genius by any account, but he seems to have gone from "not bothering to understand what people say" to "not able to understand what people say" in some cases. He also showed at least some insight at the start of the series, like realizing how he could make Coby join the Marines and calling Vivi out on how it's naive to hope that nobody will die in a war. He has not really had any of those moments for a long time. However, it may be justified in that Luffy is not good at ''anything'' but fighting and socializing. At the start of the series, he had a very small crew and thus had to handle several tasks himself. Nowadays, his bigger crew of eight members handle all the practical things for him, and in return he beats all the bad guys they don't have a chance against. So when he does not ''have to'' use his brain, he probably has made it a habit to switch it off most of the time. It's noteworthy that when the crew was split up, and he was on his own, he did seem a bit more intelligent and thoughtful, but when he gathered some new allies who could do the thinking work for him, he returned to his usual ditzy self.
21st Oct '15 2:18:43 PM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': Cell appears to lose brain cells the stronger he gets. Compare Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell. While Imperfect, he's TheChessmaster and a NoNonsenseNemesis who constantly ran circles around the Z-Fighters and outsmarted them on more than one occasion. While Perfect, he's an arrogant, egotistical jackass of a SmugSuper who makes the ''exact same mistakes'' he had previously mocked Vegeta and Trunks for making, such as deliberately angering Gohan enough for him to unlock his hidden power for the sake of a good and challenging fight and HulkingOut without maintaining his speed. It's so bad that ''[[IdiotHero Goku]]'' of all people could [[BatmanGambit play him like a damn fiddle]].
15th Oct '14 9:06:46 AM Gizbit99
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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a mass of stupid people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. An extended period of time between arcs with no intellectual rival, and belief in his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely have something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a mass of stupid people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. An extended period of time complacency between arcs with no intellectual rival, and belief in his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely have something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
15th Oct '14 9:05:20 AM Gizbit99
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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a mass of stupid people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. Believing his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely has something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a mass of stupid people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. Believing An extended period of time between arcs with no intellectual rival, and belief in his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely has have something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
7th Jun '14 12:38:35 PM Aiguille
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* Sailor Venus from ''Manga/SailorMoon''. See {{Flanderization}}.
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* Sailor Venus from ''Manga/SailorMoon''.''Anime/SailorMoon''. See {{Flanderization}}.
17th Apr '14 4:54:52 PM tryrar
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Dying Like Animals was supposed to be cut months ago per TRS, so these examples need to go
The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a [[DyingLikeAnimals mass of stupid people]] at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. Believing his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely has something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
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The whole Mello and Near arc has Light {{nerf}}ed down hard, making great mistakes apparently to balance the odds of the two kids-nemesis. He loses the note, he loses Sayu, he loses his father... and one of his "best" responses is to confirm to Near he's Kira by ''sending a [[DyingLikeAnimals mass of stupid people]] people at the exact location (and '''only there''') of Near's anti-Kira organisation with the '''great''' expectations that they'll lynch someone of L's level''. Believing his own [[AGodAmI hype]] likely has something to do with it, as does the fact that Near and Mello have far more information to work with than L did.
14th Mar '14 6:50:10 AM FirebirdMaximus
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* Sailor Venus from ''Manga/SailorMoon''. See {{Flanderization}}. ** Actually worse in the English dub as they removed her character quirk of mixing her proverbs up in the first season and give her a voice actress with a leader style voice then Sailor Moon S came where Venus's ditzy personality had completely taken over and the English dub just so happened to give her a new voice actress that emphasized this personality. * ''TenchiMuyo'': Mihoshi, ''especially'' in ''TenchiUniverse''. Somewhat justified in the case of ''TenchiUniverse'' (and ''Tenchi in Tokyo'') since those aren't actually the same Mihoshi, due to those being [[AlternateContinuity alternate continuities]]. Totally unjustified in the 3rd installment of the OVA series, though. * Gourry from ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'' degraded from IdiotHero to TheDitz and then became even dumber. ** The degradation arguably occurred before that, considering how Gourry's dumbass swordsman persona was apparently all an act in the original novels.
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* Sailor Venus from ''Manga/SailorMoon''. See {{Flanderization}}. ** Actually worse %% %% %% %% %% %% This list of examples has been alphabetized. Please add your example in the English dub as they removed her character quirk proper place. Thanks! %% %% %% %% %% %% * Sakura Kinomoto of mixing her proverbs up in the first season and give her a voice actress ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'' plays with this. In early episodes she was something of a leader style voice then Sailor Moon S came where Venus's ditzy personality had completely taken over NaiveEverygirl, childlike but fairly normal in terms of her age's intelligence and the English dub just so happened to give demeanor. In later episodes she is something of a GeniusDitz, highly developed in her a new voice actress that emphasized this personality. * ''TenchiMuyo'': Mihoshi, ''especially'' in ''TenchiUniverse''. Somewhat justified in the case handling of ''TenchiUniverse'' (and ''Tenchi in Tokyo'') since those aren't actually the same Mihoshi, due to those being [[AlternateContinuity alternate continuities]]. Totally unjustified in the 3rd installment of the OVA series, though. * Gourry from ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'' degraded from IdiotHero to TheDitz her cards and then became even dumber. ** The degradation arguably occurred before that, considering how Gourry's dumbass swordsman persona was apparently all an act in the original novels.odd bit wisdomic, but an exagerratively naive KindheartedSimpleton in most other areas.

* ''LightNovel/{{Kampfer}}'': Natsuru but only in the anime. In the manga and light novels [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass however...]] * ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': Genma. At the beginning of the series, he's lazy, doesn't think things through, and isn't the brightest bulb on the circuit, but is for the most part a competent martial artist who, despite some (admittedly quite serious) blunders, has trained his son to be an incredibly skilled martial artist. As the manga goes on, he becomes increasingly stupid and incompetent, with only one bright spot during the Ryu arc.

* Alphonse in [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime version]] of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. He starts off as an intelligent, insightful young boy who was the [[StraightMan sensible one]] compared to Ed. Later on he makes many very poor, and arguably stupid choices like taking [[KnifeNut Barry the Chopper's]] mind games to heart, and distrusting people who he's known all his life. This happens in both the manga and anime, but in the manga, Al learns from this and doesn't do anything like it again. In the first anime it mainly takes effect in the later half,where he runs off every time he gets upset, even though the Homunculi [[spoiler: and Dante]] are looking for and trying to kill them, going along with Shou Tucker's plans and not telling Ed (even though Tucker made his daughter [[spoiler:into a chimaera, resulting in her death]], and letting Sloth convince him that she's his mother, even though she is a Homunculi when Ed is trying to remind him that they're fighting for their lives, [[spoiler:immediately running towards Envy disguised as Winry, right after Ed says it isn't her, and barely putting up a fight.]] He arguably became more impulsive than his brother, whereas earlier in the show it was the other way around. This could be interpreted as the writers having Al act more like how a real little boy would if they were put in such a situation, [[spoiler:but he becomes more competent again in the finale]]. Other than that he basically becomes [[TheLoad quite the load]]. * ''LightNovel/{{Kampfer}}'': Natsuru but only in the anime. In the manga and light novels [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass however...]] * ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': Genma. At As of late, whenever Manga/{{Naruto}} seems to start growing as a character, he immediately takes a level in dumbass. Most notoriously when he doesn't realize anything is wrong during the beginning attack on turtle island by Kabuto and zombie!Deidara. Despite the living island suddenly acting as if it were hit with a high-level earthquake. ** For a long while, Sasuke from [[spoiler:the death of Itachi]] and throughout the succeeding arcs. Even after both Tobi and Itachi had both implored that the destruction of Uchiha clan wasn't the fault of the Leaf, he decides to screw everything and try to destroy the Hidden Leaf village and every single person living in it, despite Itachi's intentions and words told by the main antagonist of all people himself urging the very contrary. All the while, his chakra grows noticeably darker and colder through his hatred, implications seeming as if he's forcing himself to hate in order get more powerful. At one point, he impales [[spoiler:Karin]] when held hostage with the Chidori, despite Danzo holding her in a position where his body and head is in clear sight of his lightning-fast attack and discards her for being "useless". * Arguably Luffy of ''OnePiece''. He was never a genius by any account, but he seems to have gone from "not bothering to understand what people say" to "not able to understand what people say" in some cases. He also showed at least some insight at the start of the series, he's lazy, doesn't think like realizing how he could make Coby join the Marines and calling Vivi out on how it's naive to hope that nobody will die in a war. He has not really had any of those moments for a long time. However, it may be justified in that Luffy is not good at ''anything'' but fighting and socializing. At the start of the series, he had a very small crew and thus had to handle several tasks himself. Nowadays, his bigger crew of eight members handle all the practical things through, for him, and isn't in return he beats all the brightest bulb on the circuit, but is for the bad guys they don't have a chance against. So when he does not ''have to'' use his brain, he probably has made it a habit to switch it off most part of the time. It's noteworthy that when the crew was split up, and he was on his own, he did seem a competent martial artist who, despite bit more intelligent and thoughtful, but when he gathered some (admittedly quite serious) blunders, has trained new allies who could do the thinking work for him, he returned to his son to be an incredibly skilled martial artist. As the manga goes on, he becomes increasingly stupid and incompetent, with only one bright spot during the Ryu arc.usual ditzy self.

* ''LightNovel/{{Kampfer}}'': Natsuru but only in the anime. In the manga and light novels [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass however...]] * ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': Genma. At the beginning of the series, he's lazy, doesn't think things through, and isn't the brightest bulb on the circuit, but is for the most part a competent martial artist who, despite some (admittedly quite serious) blunders, has trained his son to be an incredibly skilled martial artist. As the manga goes on, he becomes increasingly stupid and incompetent, with only one bright spot during the Ryu arc.arc. * Sailor Venus from ''Manga/SailorMoon''. See {{Flanderization}}. ** Actually worse in the English dub as they removed her character quirk of mixing her proverbs up in the first season and give her a voice actress with a leader style voice then Sailor Moon S came where Venus's ditzy personality had completely taken over and the English dub just so happened to give her a new voice actress that emphasized this personality. * Gourry from ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'' degraded from IdiotHero to TheDitz and then became even dumber. ** The degradation arguably occurred before that, considering how Gourry's dumbass swordsman persona was apparently all an act in the original novels. * ''TenchiMuyo'': Mihoshi, ''especially'' in ''TenchiUniverse''. Somewhat justified in the case of ''TenchiUniverse'' (and ''Tenchi in Tokyo'') since those aren't actually the same Mihoshi, due to those being [[AlternateContinuity alternate continuities]]. Totally unjustified in the 3rd installment of the OVA series, though.

* Alphonse in [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime version]] of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. He starts off as an intelligent, insightful young boy who was the [[StraightMan sensible one]] compared to Ed. Later on he makes many very poor, and arguably stupid choices like taking [[KnifeNut Barry the Chopper's]] mind games to heart, and distrusting people who he's known all his life. This happens in both the manga and anime, but in the manga, Al learns from this and doesn't do anything like it again. In the first anime it mainly takes effect in the later half,where he runs off every time he gets upset, even though the Homunculi [[spoiler: and Dante]] are looking for and trying to kill them, going along with Shou Tucker's plans and not telling Ed (even though Tucker made his daughter [[spoiler:into a chimaera, resulting in her death]], and letting Sloth convince him that she's his mother, even though she is a Homunculi when Ed is trying to remind him that they're fighting for their lives, [[spoiler:immediately running towards Envy disguised as Winry, right after Ed says it isn't her, and barely putting up a fight.]] He arguably became more impulsive than his brother, whereas earlier in the show it was the other way around. This could be interpreted as the writers having Al act more like how a real little boy would if they were put in such a situation, [[spoiler:but he becomes more competent again in the finale]]. Other than that he basically becomes [[TheLoad quite the load]]. * As of late, whenever Manga/{{Naruto}} seems to start growing as a character, he immediately takes a level in dumbass. Most notoriously when he doesn't realize anything is wrong during the attack on turtle island by Kabuto and zombie!Deidara. Despite the living island suddenly acting as if it were hit with a high-level earthquake. ** For a long while, Sasuke from [[spoiler:the death of Itachi]] and throughout the succeeding arcs. Even after both Tobi and Itachi had both implored that the destruction of Uchiha clan wasn't the fault of the Leaf, he decides to screw everything and try to destroy the Hidden Leaf village and every single person living in it, despite Itachi's intentions and words told by the main antagonist of all people himself urging the very contrary. All the while, his chakra grows noticeably darker and colder through his hatred, implications seeming as if he's forcing himself to hate in order get more powerful. At one point, he impales [[spoiler:Karin]] when held hostage with the Chidori, despite Danzo holding her in a position where his body and head is in clear sight of his lightning-fast attack and discards her for being "useless". * Sakura Kinomoto of ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'' plays with this. In early episodes she was something of a NaiveEverygirl, childlike but fairly normal in terms of her age's intelligence and demeanor. In later episodes she is something of a GeniusDitz, highly developed in her handling of her cards and even the odd bit wisdomic, but an exagerratively naive KindheartedSimpleton in most other areas. * Arguably Luffy of ''OnePiece''. He was never a genius by any account, but he seems to have gone from "not bothering to understand what people say" to "not able to understand what people say" in some cases. He also showed at least some insight at the start of the series, like realizing how he could make Coby join the Marines and calling Vivi out on how it's naive to hope that nobody will die in a war. He has not really had any of those moments for a long time. However, it may be justified in that Luffy is not good at ''anything'' but fighting and socializing. At the start of the series, he had a very small crew and thus had to handle several tasks himself. Nowadays, his bigger crew of eight members handle all the practical things for him, and in return he beats all the bad guys they don't have a chance against. So when he does not ''have to'' use his brain, he probably has made it a habit to switch it off most of the time. It's noteworthy that when the crew was split up, and he was on his own, he did seem a bit more intelligent and thoughtful, but when he gathered some new allies who could do the thinking work for him, he returned to his usual ditzy self.
25th Feb '14 1:52:40 AM WanderingBrowser
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* ''RanmaOneHalf'': Genma. At the beginning of the series, he's lazy, doesn't think things through, and isn't the brightest bulb on the circuit, but is for the most part a competent martial artist who, despite some (admittedly quite serious) blunders, has trained his son to be an incredibly skilled martial artist. As the manga goes on, he becomes increasingly stupid and incompetent, with only one bright spot during the Ryu arc.
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* ''RanmaOneHalf'': ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': Genma. At the beginning of the series, he's lazy, doesn't think things through, and isn't the brightest bulb on the circuit, but is for the most part a competent martial artist who, despite some (admittedly quite serious) blunders, has trained his son to be an incredibly skilled martial artist. As the manga goes on, he becomes increasingly stupid and incompetent, with only one bright spot during the Ryu arc.
7th Dec '13 2:34:48 PM SuperSoaker
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** Actually worse in the English dub as they removed her character quirk of mixing her proverbs up in the first season and give her a voice actress with a leader style voice then Sailor Moon S came where Venus's ditzy personality had completely taken over and the English dub just so happened to give her a new voice actress that emphasized this personality.
29th Sep '13 6:55:43 PM cococrisp
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* In the original series ''[[Anime/{{Yatterman}}]]'', Yatterman-1 is somewhat naive, but not stupid. The remake makes him a bit more careless but still rather smart. The live-action movie, however, turns him into a total IdiotHero.
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* In the original series ''[[Anime/{{Yatterman}}]]'', Yatterman-1 ''Anime/{{Yatterman}}'', Gan is somewhat naive, but not stupid. The remake makes him a bit more careless but still rather smart. The live-action movie, however, turns him into a total IdiotHero.
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