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14th Apr '18 6:17:18 PM RoarkTenjouin
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* High Admiral Fritz Josef Bittenfeld from ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' ''somehow'' manages to avert this trope, in spite of his HotBlooded HairTemperTrigger, and as shown early on, being incredibly easy to bait into a trap. It's worth noting that some of his more questionable actions were a result of how aggressive he is, as opposed to him being legitimately dumb[[note]]in fact, if he toned his aggression down, he'd probably be one of the smartest admirals in the series[[/note]]. Interestingly, this trope ''would'' have been played straight in regards to him, considering the [[KillemAll type of series]] ''[=LOGH=]'' is, since the author ''did'' plan on killing him off eventually, but he somehow managed to survive.

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* High Admiral Fritz Josef Bittenfeld from ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' ''somehow'' manages to avert this trope, in spite of his HotBlooded HairTemperTrigger, HairTriggerTemper, and as shown early on, being incredibly easy to bait into a trap. It's worth noting that some of his more questionable actions were a result of how aggressive he is, as opposed to him being legitimately dumb[[note]]in fact, if he toned his aggression down, he'd probably be one of the smartest admirals in the series[[/note]]. Interestingly, this trope ''would'' have been played straight in regards to him, considering the [[KillemAll type of series]] ''[=LOGH=]'' is, since the author ''did'' plan on killing him off eventually, but he somehow managed to survive.
14th Apr '18 6:15:28 PM RoarkTenjouin
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* High Admiral Fritz Josef Bittenfeld from ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' ''somehow'' manages to avert this trope, in spite of his HotBlooded HairTemperTrigger, and as shown early on, being incredibly easy to bait into a trap. It's worth noting that some of his more questionable actions were a result of how aggressive he is, as opposed to him being legitimately dumb[[note]]in fact, if he toned his aggression down, he'd probably be one of the smartest admirals in the series[[/note]]. Interestingly, this trope ''would'' have been played straight in regards to him, considering the [[KillemAll type of series]] ''[=LOGH=]'' is, since the author ''did'' plan on killing him off eventually, but he somehow managed to survive.
8th Apr '18 12:04:25 AM KingLyger
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** Envy went on a huge rant about how it was the one who killed Roy Mustang's best friend Maes Hughes, and almost hurt itself from laughing about it. Envy went out of its way to tell how it was also the one who started the Ishval War and how amusing it was to see such a huge battle over the death of one little girl that it killed. Envy finds itself getting its [[EyeScream eyes burned off two seconds later]] by Roy Mustang. Good for Envy it can heal. But then, Envy doesn't know when to call it quits, pushing its luck one too many times by attempting a ShapeshiftGuiltTrip on Mustang by taking the form of Maes Hughes. Mustang responds by [[KillItWithFire blasting Envy with his strongest fire attack]] so many times that Envy's HealingFactor is overtaxed.

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** Envy went on a huge rant about how it was the one who killed Roy Mustang's best friend Maes Hughes, and almost hurt itself from laughing about it. Envy went out of its way to tell how it was also the one who started the Ishval War and how amusing it was to see such a huge battle over the death of one little girl that it killed. Envy finds itself getting its [[EyeScream eyes burned off two seconds later]] by Roy Mustang. Good for Envy it can heal. But then, Envy doesn't know when to call it quits, pushing its luck one too many times by attempting a ShapeshiftGuiltTrip ShapeshifterGuiltTrip on Mustang by taking the form of Maes Hughes. Mustang responds by [[KillItWithFire blasting Envy with his strongest fire attack]] so many times that Envy's HealingFactor is overtaxed.
8th Apr '18 12:03:54 AM KingLyger
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** Envy itself qualifies. Envy went on a huge rant about how it was the one who killed Roy Mustang's best friend, and almost hurt itself from laughing about it. Envy went out of its way to tell how it was also the one who started the Ishval War and how amusing it was to see such a huge battle over the death of one little girl that it killed. Envy finds itself [[KillItWithFire being tortured with fire about two seconds later]].

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** Envy itself qualifies. Envy went on a huge rant about how it was the one who killed Roy Mustang's best friend, friend Maes Hughes, and almost hurt itself from laughing about it. Envy went out of its way to tell how it was also the one who started the Ishval War and how amusing it was to see such a huge battle over the death of one little girl that it killed. Envy finds itself getting its [[EyeScream eyes burned off two seconds later]] by Roy Mustang. Good for Envy it can heal. But then, Envy doesn't know when to call it quits, pushing its luck one too many times by attempting a ShapeshiftGuiltTrip on Mustang by taking the form of Maes Hughes. Mustang responds by [[KillItWithFire being tortured blasting Envy with his strongest fire about two seconds later]].attack]] so many times that Envy's HealingFactor is overtaxed.
13th Feb '18 4:58:52 AM Kemm
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****Only immortals can kill immortals, and other immortals will either let them live because they are friends, because they find them amusing, because they underestimate the chaos they bring or because they are truly terrified of the after-effects they'd suffer from said killing.
2nd Jan '18 8:08:49 PM LinTaylor
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** [[SquishyWizard Babidi]]. He controlled [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] by [[BullyingADragon threatening to seal him up again]]. Needless to say, eventually Buu got fed up and killed him.

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** [[SquishyWizard Babidi]]. He controlled Babidi bosses [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] by around, abuses him both physically and verbally (especially Buu's intelligence), and the only thing he has to keep Buu in check is [[BullyingADragon threatening repeated threats to seal him up again]]. Needless to say, eventually again]]. The problem being that releasing Buu got fed up was Babidi's '''entire''' plan for millennia, meaning it was obvious he wouldn't re-seal Buu after all that time and killed him.effort, ''and'' Buu's HealingHands powers were the only thing offsetting Babidi's [[SquishyWizard Squishiness]]. After Goku plants the seeds of rebellion by asking "Why do you let him treat you so poorly?", Buu grabs Babidi by the throat (keeping him from casting the sealing spell), [[IronicEcho calls him an idiot]], and then [[OffWithHisHead punches his head off]].
29th Dec '17 11:44:06 PM QuantumReality
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** Priest Gedatsu in Skypiea. He has to be reminded by one of his lackeys that he needs to open his mouth in order to speak, and it's a good bet he has on occasion forgotten to breathe and needed to be reminded of that too.
10th Dec '17 12:40:20 PM zealots
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** Goku's father Bardock from the prequel OVA ''Anime/DragonBallZBardockTheFatherofGoku'', who knows far in advance that Frieza is going to destroy his home planet. What does he do? Thanks to a double dose of both HonorBeforeReason and RevengeBeforeReason he decides to take on Frieza single-handedly in a bid to stop him from destroying Planet Vegeta, despite knowing perfectly well that he was FAR too weak to stand a chance in hell against Frieza instead of getting in the nearest pod and getting the hell out of dodge and maybe coming back when he did stand a chance. To be fair, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans aren't exactly known for strategic retreats]].

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** Goku's father Bardock from the prequel OVA ''Anime/DragonBallZBardockTheFatherofGoku'', ''Anime/DragonBallZBardockTheFatherOfGoku'', who knows far in advance that Frieza is going to destroy his home planet. What does he do? Thanks to a double dose of both HonorBeforeReason and RevengeBeforeReason he decides to take on Frieza single-handedly in a bid to stop him from destroying Planet Vegeta, despite knowing perfectly well that he was FAR too weak to stand a chance in hell against Frieza instead of getting in the nearest pod and getting the hell out of dodge and maybe coming back when he did stand a chance. To be fair, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans aren't exactly known for strategic retreats]].
24th Nov '17 9:22:51 PM GrammarNavi
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** Goku's father Bardock from the prequel OVA ''Anime/BardockTheFatherofGoku'', who knows far in advance that Frieza is going to destroy his home planet. What does he do? Thanks to a double dose of both HonorBeforeReason and RevengeBeforeReason he decides to take on Frieza single-handedly in a bid to stop him from destroying Planet Vegeta, despite knowing perfectly well that he was FAR too weak to stand a chance in hell against Frieza instead of getting in the nearest pod and getting the hell out of dodge and maybe coming back when he did stand a chance. To be fair, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans aren't exactly known for strategic retreats]].

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** Goku's father Bardock from the prequel OVA ''Anime/BardockTheFatherofGoku'', ''Anime/DragonBallZBardockTheFatherofGoku'', who knows far in advance that Frieza is going to destroy his home planet. What does he do? Thanks to a double dose of both HonorBeforeReason and RevengeBeforeReason he decides to take on Frieza single-handedly in a bid to stop him from destroying Planet Vegeta, despite knowing perfectly well that he was FAR too weak to stand a chance in hell against Frieza instead of getting in the nearest pod and getting the hell out of dodge and maybe coming back when he did stand a chance. To be fair, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans aren't exactly known for strategic retreats]].
19th Nov '17 10:19:37 PM zealots
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** Frieza has been sliced in half, near dead, and was given a sliver of Super Saiyan Goku's power to survive on as an act of mercy. And what does he do with it? He tries to use it to kill the Super Saiyan from behind, despite the fact that it most likely wouldn't have made a dent. Needless to say, it doesn't end well for the tyrant. He got better, only to get KilledOffForReal by Future Trunks. It's even worse when he comes back in both ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' and its ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' adaptation - after being resurrected, his men tell him to just leave Goku and just deal with his empire instead. Instead Frieza decides to train, get stronger and go try to kick Goku's ass again. He dies.

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** Goku's father Bardock from the prequel OVA ''Anime/BardockTheFatherofGoku'', who knows far in advance that Frieza is going to destroy his home planet. What does he do? Thanks to a double dose of both HonorBeforeReason and RevengeBeforeReason he decides to take on Frieza single-handedly in a bid to stop him from destroying Planet Vegeta, despite knowing perfectly well that he was FAR too weak to stand a chance in hell against Frieza instead of getting in the nearest pod and getting the hell out of dodge and maybe coming back when he did stand a chance. To be fair, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans aren't exactly known for strategic retreats]].
** Garlic Jr. from ''Anime/DragonBallZDeadZone'' is this in spades, as when he ends up fighting Goku and Piccolo in the climax and has them on the ropes, instead of just wearing them down with his immortal stamina he chooses to [[spoiler:open a portal to the eponymous Dead Zone, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard which he is promptly knocked into by Gohan]]]].
*** Later on in the series, Garlic Jr. returns, only to [[WhatAnIdiot try the exact same thing]]. Keep in mind again: Garlic Jr has CompleteImmortality. He could defeat literally anything in the universe by just wearing it down. He went for this solution ''twice.'' And since his return was only made possible by the Makyo Star (which is destroyed), the second time meant he was gone for good.
*** In ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'''s take on it, the plot of ''Dead Zone'' is a script Krillin is pitching to [[BreakoutCharacter Nappa]]. When pressed on the issue, Krillin [[LampshadeHanging admits that he wrote himself into a corner]]. Funny enough, this trope isn't so much in place, as Shenron responds to the wish by saying that he can't wait to see how Garlic Jr. manages to blow this.
** During the Frieza Saga, one of Frieza's {{Mooks}} comes in while he's berating Zarbon and confirms Frieza's suspicions that Vegeta had attacked a Namekian village and made off with a Dragon Ball. Unfortunately, he makes the critical mistake of admitting to [[BadBoss Frieza]] that he killed the sole surviving Namekian without bothering to ask him ''where'' the Dragon Ball was, and [[YouHaveFailedMe gets vaporized for it]].
-->'''Frieza''': You imbecile. You've disposed of the only witness.
** Frieza has been sliced in half, near dead, and was given a sliver of Super Saiyan Goku's power to survive on as an act of mercy. And what does he do with it? He tries to use it to kill the Super Saiyan from behind, despite the fact that it most likely wouldn't have made a dent. Needless to say, it doesn't end well for the tyrant. He got better, only to get KilledOffForReal by Future Trunks. It's even worse when he comes back in both ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' and its ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' adaptation - after being resurrected, his men tell him to just leave Goku and just deal with his empire instead. Instead Frieza decides to train, get stronger and go try to kick Goku's ass again. He dies.Predictably he is beaten again and killed again.



** Dr. Gero created Androids 17 and 18, who were already rebellious teenagers when they were converted into being far stronger than he whom he had no reliable way of controlling. Then he converted himself into an android, only to base his design on the weaker models. Not content with that level of suicidal behavior, he continues to berate and threaten them despite the fact that he can't control them. His death came quickly. For an evil "genius", he's not too bright.[[note]]To be fair, he was forced to activate them when they were still a work in progress.[[/note]]
** Vegeta, to some extent. He has the bad habit to throw furious raging blast to his ennemies, that would be powerfull enough to blow up a planet. However, ''Sayans can't breath in space'', which means he would also die! Of course, Vegeta would rather die than lose, but he never even considers this detail, even when others scream it at him.

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** Dr. Gero created Androids 17 and 18, who were already rebellious teenagers when they were converted into being far stronger than he whom he had no reliable way of controlling. Then he converted himself into an android, only to base his design on the weaker models. Not content with that level of suicidal behavior, he continues to berate and threaten them despite the fact that he can't control them. His death came quickly. For an evil "genius", he's not too bright.[[note]]To be fair, he was forced to activate them when they were still a work in progress.[[/note]]
** Vegeta, to some extent. He has the bad habit to throw of throwing furious raging blast to blasts at his ennemies, enemies [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill that would be powerfull are often powerful enough to blow up a planet. planet]]. However, ''Sayans ''Saiyans can't breath in space'', which means he would also die! Of course, Vegeta would rather die than lose, but he never even considers this detail, even when others scream it at him.him. This is also rather foolish behavior in that it tires him out quickly, which is how Frieza deals with him after transforming into his final form.



** There's Bardock, who knows far in advance that Frieza is going to destroy his home planet. What does he do? Thanks to a double dose of both HonorBeforeReason and RevengeBeforeReason he decides to take on Frieza in a bid to stop him from destroying Planet Vegeta, despite knowing perfectly well that he was FAR too weak to stand a chance in hell against Frieza instead of getting in the nearest pod and getting the hell out of dodge and maybe coming back when he did stand a chance.
** Androids 17 and 18. Despite Android 16, Piccolo, Krillin, Trunks, and Tien ''all'' warning them to run from Cell while he's distracted, ''repeatedly'', both of them stayed, with 17 even arrogantly believing he could beat Cell by himself before he was absorbed.
** During the Frieza Saga, one of Frieza's mooks comes in while he's berating Zarbon and confirms Frieza's suspicions that Vegeta had attacked a Namekian village and made off with a Dragon Ball. Unfortunately, he makes the critical mistake of admitting to [[BadBoss Frieza]] that he killed the sole surviving Namekian without bothering to ask him ''where'' the Dragon Ball was, and [[YouHaveFailedMe gets vaporized for it]].
-->'''Frieza''': You imbecile. You've disposed of the only witness.
** Babidi. He controlled [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] by [[BullyingADragon threatening to seal him up again]]. Needless to say, eventually Buu got fed up and killed him.

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** There's Bardock, Dr. Gero created Androids 17 and 18, who knows were already rebellious teenagers when they were converted into beings far in advance that Frieza is going stronger than he whom he had no reliable way of controlling. Then he converted himself into an android, only to destroy base his home planet. What does own design on the weaker energy absorbing model. Not content with ''that'' level of suicidal behavior, he do? Thanks continues to a double dose of both HonorBeforeReason berate and RevengeBeforeReason he decides to take on Frieza in threaten them after waking them up as a bid to stop him from destroying Planet Vegeta, desperate GodzillaThreshold measure despite knowing perfectly well the fact that they've already tried to kill him once before, and ''continues'' doing this even after they snatch the killswitch remote control from him and he was FAR loses all his control over them. His death came quickly. For an evil "genius", he's not too weak to stand a chance in hell against Frieza instead of getting in the nearest pod and getting the hell out of dodge and maybe coming back when he did stand a chance.
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** Androids 17 and 18. 18 themselves. Despite Android 16, Piccolo, Krillin, Trunks, and Tien ''all'' warning them to run from Cell while he's distracted, ''repeatedly'', both of them stayed, with 17 even arrogantly believing he could beat Cell by himself before he was absorbed.
** During
absorbed -- ''after'' being beaten so badly by Cell he could barely stand, no less. His sister is no quicker on the Frieza Saga, one of Frieza's mooks comes in while he's berating Zarbon uptake, though, standing around gaping even after Cell absorbs her brother, to the point where 16 literally has to grab her to try and confirms Frieza's suspicions make their escape (for all the good it does at that Vegeta had attacked a Namekian village and made off with a Dragon Ball. Unfortunately, he makes the critical mistake of admitting to [[BadBoss Frieza]] that he killed the sole surviving Namekian without bothering to ask him ''where'' the Dragon Ball was, and [[YouHaveFailedMe gets vaporized for it]].
-->'''Frieza''': You imbecile. You've disposed of the only witness.
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** Babidi.[[SquishyWizard Babidi]]. He controlled [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] by [[BullyingADragon threatening to seal him up again]]. Needless to say, eventually Buu got fed up and killed him.



** In the first movie, Dead Zone, Goku and Piccolo end up fighting the immortal Garlic Jr. And while he has the two on the ropes, [[spoiler:Garlic Jr summons a portal to eponymous Dead Zone, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard and he is promptly knocked into it by Gohan]]]].
*** Later on in the series, Garlic Jr returns, only to [[WhatAnIdiot do the exact same thing]]. Keep in mind again: Garlic Jr has CompleteImmortality. He could defeat literally anything in the universe by just poking it repeatedly. He went for this solution ''twice.''
*** In ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'''s take on it, the plot of Dead Zone is a script Krillin is pitching to Nappa. When pressed on the issue, Krillin [[LampshadeHanging admits that he wrote himself into a corner]]. Funny enough, this trope isn't so much in place, as Shenron responds to the wish by saying that he can't wait to see how Garlic Jr. manages to blow this.
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