History TheyChangedItNowItSucks / TabletopGames

6th Jun '17 5:51:07 PM iowaforever
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** Imperial Guard and Dark Eldar seem to have evaded this in part because the IG were the buttmonkey for the previous 2 decades and their new codex gave them teeth without being overpowered, and the Dark Eldar codex was 14 years out of date and really didn't change anything significant it just made them consistent with 5th edition rules and more playable but still the hardest faction, that is until the Sisters received their infamous update.

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** Imperial Guard and Dark Eldar seem to have evaded this in part because the IG were the buttmonkey ButtMonkey for the previous 2 decades and their new codex gave them teeth without being overpowered, and the Dark Eldar codex was 14 years out of date and really didn't change anything significant it just made them consistent with 5th edition rules and more playable but still the hardest faction, that is until the Sisters received their infamous update.



** Other players are also frustrated by the removal of the force organisation chart that originally bound army compositions. Now, players receive a bonus for adhering to the chart, but are otherwise 'unbound', allowing some players to simply field columns of tanks or titans against their opponents. Needless to say, cries of Pay-to-win are not few and far between.

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** Other players are also frustrated by the removal of the force organisation chart that originally bound army compositions. Now, players receive a bonus for adhering to the chart, but are otherwise 'unbound', allowing some players to simply field columns of tanks or titans against their opponents. Needless to say, cries of Pay-to-win are not few and far between.between, and cries of joy where heard when 8th ditched this for a large variety of force organization charts as well as "Open Play" based on relative power levels between units.
7th Apr '17 6:27:48 PM bwburke94
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** The 2011 Sisters of Battle codex received a very negative reception. Most players felt that the already not-very-powerful Sisters went from "mid-low tier" to "absolutely unplayable." Some of the other changes really led to head-scratching, such as the new Faith system which gives an army 1d6 faith per turn - whether that army is a 500 point skirmish force or a 3000 point massive force. Complaints include failing to scale powers, confusing powers, and nerfing an underpowered army. They changed it so it's simply not even worth fielding. [[NonFanon Players tend to ignore the codex update altogether]].

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** The 2011 Sisters of Battle codex received a very negative reception. Most players felt that the already not-very-powerful Sisters went from "mid-low tier" to "absolutely unplayable." Some of the other changes really led to head-scratching, such as the new Faith system which gives an army 1d6 faith per turn - whether that army is a 500 point skirmish force or a 3000 point massive force. Complaints include failing to scale powers, confusing powers, and nerfing an underpowered army. They changed it so it's simply not even worth fielding. [[NonFanon Players tend to ignore the codex update altogether]].
8th Jan '17 9:50:43 AM nombretomado
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* When people on the Privateer Press forums found out that one of the newest units for [[IronKingdoms Warmachine]] was going to be plastic instead of metal, reactions were... mixed. Many people welcomed the change but a particularly vocal minority condemned it for straying from the "Full Metal Fantasy" aesthetic that the company had cultivated up to that point, among other things. It's either something to do with a feel of solidity, or the vocal minority use their Warmachine figures as sling ammunition and don't want to have to correct their aim. For those curious, resin-plastic warjacks ''do'' still feel plenty solid. Probably helps that the torsos are all one giant block of solid resin-plastic rather than being hollow like some of the walkers from [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} another game.]]

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* When people on the Privateer Press forums found out that one of the newest units for [[IronKingdoms [[TabletopGame/IronKingdoms Warmachine]] was going to be plastic instead of metal, reactions were... mixed. Many people welcomed the change but a particularly vocal minority condemned it for straying from the "Full Metal Fantasy" aesthetic that the company had cultivated up to that point, among other things. It's either something to do with a feel of solidity, or the vocal minority use their Warmachine figures as sling ammunition and don't want to have to correct their aim. For those curious, resin-plastic warjacks ''do'' still feel plenty solid. Probably helps that the torsos are all one giant block of solid resin-plastic rather than being hollow like some of the walkers from [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} another game.]]
26th Nov '16 3:11:50 PM nombretomado
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* A lot of the initial grousing that occurred when ''{{Champions}}'' went from 5th edition to 6th was originally chalked up to this... until someone started doing a serious analysis of the game and found out that, yeah, there were a lot of new rules that basically arbitrarily screwed your long-established characters, assuming you tried converting them from 5th to 6th.
* Without fail, EVERY time a new hardcover book for {{Pathfinder}} comes out, the Paizo blogs are infested with "BLOAT!" threads and the declaration that the game is getting too huge and too complex. Such threads typically pop up like a rash for about a month, and then disappear completely, until the next hardcover comes out.

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* A lot of the initial grousing that occurred when ''{{Champions}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}'' went from 5th edition to 6th was originally chalked up to this... until someone started doing a serious analysis of the game and found out that, yeah, there were a lot of new rules that basically arbitrarily screwed your long-established characters, assuming you tried converting them from 5th to 6th.
* Without fail, EVERY time a new hardcover book for {{Pathfinder}} ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' comes out, the Paizo blogs are infested with "BLOAT!" threads and the declaration that the game is getting too huge and too complex. Such threads typically pop up like a rash for about a month, and then disappear completely, until the next hardcover comes out.
19th Sep '16 6:24:00 AM Jasin_Moridin
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*** The largest amount of whinging regarding ''[[TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar Age of Sigmar]]'', though, was from the hardcore tournament players about the fact that the game, by default, doesn't have points values. While there was some grumbling from more casual gamers about trying to work out how to balance a friendly game to where it's fun, the vast majority of the wailing and gnashing of teeth came from the people who could no longer work out "optimum" [[StopHavingFunGuys Win At All Costs]] tournament lists with which to try to slaughter other such people. Both sides have since been placated somewhat by an optional supplement that has rules for competitive gaming, and points values.
26th Mar '16 5:48:31 PM WhatRayDid
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** Fifth edition is something of an aversion now that it's been released, having a smaller fan-base than most previous editions but having almost no hate-dom at all.
27th Oct '15 5:13:59 PM HereticalShinigami
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** Recent adherence to release of large Monstrous Creature models over the usual squad-based and vehicle-heavy 40k also has some players annoyed. Imperial Knights, Wraithknights and especially Riptide battlesuits have been appearing on tables in greater numbers, much to the chagrin of players who can't afford a horde of massive creatures. Similar things have also occurred with flyers, which were initially almost invulnerable against ground forces until GW repealed that ban. Still, the late focus on the Tau, who were originally the anime tie-in of the 41st Millenium, has some players crying for a redress, since battlesuit armies are on the rise.
** Other players are also frustrated by the removal of the force organisation chart that originally bound army compositions. Now, players receive a bonus for adhering to the chart, but are otherwise 'unbound', allowing some players to simply field columns of tanks or titans against their opponents. Needless to say, cries of Pay-to-win are not few and far between.
4th Aug '15 1:09:50 PM Tacitus
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** The 2014 "End Times" series is beginning to attract a fair bit of this reaction, thanks to the radical changes to the world it is experimenting with (such as razing the entirety of ancient Khemri to the ground, along with the Imperial Capital of Altdorf) and the massive numbers of special character fatalities written into the storyline. Venerable personalities such as Heinrich Kemmler, Volkmar the Grim, Morgiana le Fay and Eltharion - who have been a much-loved part of the game's lore for over twenty years - are being killed off by the dozen and to no appreciable end. Prior to the End Times event such character deaths in the background were almost unheard of, and many players have become very attached to the recent victims. It remains to be seen how long the disquieting new disruptions stick around for until things are restored to normal with a retcon like they were following the 2005 Storm of Chaos events.

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** The 2014 "End Times" ''[[TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes End Times]]'' series is beginning to attract of 2014 caught a fair bit of this reaction, thanks to and not just for the radical changes to gameplay changes. Right from the world it is experimenting with (such as razing start, whole parts of the entirety of Warhammer World like the ancient empire of Khemri or the Imperial capital of Altdorf were razed to the ground, along with the Imperial Capital of Altdorf) and the massive numbers of special character fatalities written into the storyline. Venerable personalities such as venerable characters like Heinrich Kemmler, Volkmar the Grim, Morgiana Morgianna le Fay and Fay, or Eltharion - who have been a much-loved part of the game's lore for over twenty years - are were being killed off by the dozen and to no appreciable end. Prior to the End Times event such dozens after decades of character deaths in the background were almost being unheard of, and many of. Each book added to the bodycount, until the final volume lived up to its name with an [[ApocalypseHow apocalyptic]], KillEmAll ending. Many players have become very attached deliberately ignored the event, expecting a SnapBack to the recent victims. It remains to be seen how long the disquieting new disruptions stick around for until things are restored to normal with a retcon status quo like they were following after the 2005 Storm ''Storm of Chaos events.Chaos'' campaign. Except...
** Instead of ''Warhammer'' 9th edition, a new skirmish-level game called ''[[TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar Age of Sigmar]]'' was released in 2015, which confirmed that yes, the ''End Times'' happened, and over thirty years of canon had been chucked out the window to make room for an entirely new setting of [[WritingAroundTrademarks "Orruks," "Aelfs,"]] and the fantastic equivalent of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''[='s=] {{Space Marine}}s. Cue the largest BrokenBase in Creator/GamesWorkshop's history, ''Warhammer'' armies appearing on [=eBay=] in droves, and rival gaming system ''TabletopGame/KingsOfWar'' announcing plans to support army lists based on ''Warhammer''[='s=] old factions.
3rd May '15 5:32:36 PM TwentyEight
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* Many classic children's games, such as Mouse Trap, Perfection, and Operation, have been redesigned by Hasbro to be [[MoneyDearBoy cheaper to make]], accessible to younger players, or [[NewAndImproved so they can call it "new."]] Original versions are often sold separately as a deluxe "nostalgia" edition. Cue the butt-clenching from parents and grandparents who want to buy their kids the same games they had at their age.
13th Apr '15 7:06:01 PM emillang1000
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* Without fail, EVERY time a new hardcover book for {{Pathfinder}} comes out, the Paizo blogs are infested with "BLOAT!" threads and the declaration that the game is getting too huge and too complex. Such threads typically pop up like a rash for about a month, and then disappear completely, until the next hardcover comes out.
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