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29th Apr '16 4:19:28 AM fearlessnikki
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* This phenomenon has caused many ''Film/HarryPotter'' fans to have the exact opposite reaction to the film adaptations as many critics do. While film critics generally agree that the films got better from ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]'' (largely because of DaveMcKean's art direction), when they stopped being obsessively faithful to almost every important plot point and line of critical exposition, a lot of fans think that Creator/ChrisColumbus was doing a bang-up job and that ever since then it's been garbage, with ''Azkaban'' the worst offender, with its severe amounts of {{Narm}}, plot holes and missing revelations. Never mind that, with the length of the books spiraling out of control, ''something'' had to be cut. Even if the [[CompressedAdaptation removed stuff]] [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole gets]] [[AllThereInTheManual non-readers]] [[ContinuityLockout lost]].
** Except that Chris Columbus wasn't in charge of how true the adaptations were to the text. The same writer of those first TruerToTheText films stuck around for every remaining film except the fifth, and look how those turned out.
* If you need proof that following a book word by word isn't always a good plan compare BBC's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfNarnia'' and Creator/WaldenMedia's adaptation. The former uses the exact dialogue and is excruciatingly long and dull endeavor. The latter takes a more liberal approach at the storyline but does a much better at capturing the spirit of the books. Though in the process of adapting the franchise, it moved ever more steadily towards an InNameOnly adaptation. They're still good, but they're becoming entirely different stories. The extremeness of this audience-reaction-trope was demonstrated by a small line at the end of the third film - "Jill Pole's stopped by for a visit". Cue dozens of purists wailing "Jill and Eustace aren't meant to be friends! Why is she coming over to his house! It's ruined!".

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This phenomenon has caused many ''Film/HarryPotter'' fans to have the exact opposite reaction to the film adaptations as many critics do. While film critics generally agree that the films got better from ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]'' (largely because of DaveMcKean's art direction), when they stopped Azkaban]]'', many fans villified these for not being obsessively as word-for-word faithful as the first two had. But part of this is down to almost every important the first few books being ''shorter'' and not needing as many plot point points and line of critical exposition, a lot scenes dropped as the others.
** ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire'' provoked an incredibly extreme InternetBackdraft over one thing - Hermione's dress for the Yule Ball. It was blue in the book and pink in the film. Hundreds
of fans think complained about the change, with the film's IMDB page in an edit war over listing "Hermione is a person who [[RealWomenNeverWearDresses hates pink and would never wear a pink dress]]" as a PlotHole and there are still plenty of Facebook pages complaining about it.
** A rather vocal portion of the base complained about one thing in ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. After Umbridge dismisses Professor Trelawney, Dumbledore says to the students "don't you all have studying to do?" - which prompted cries from purists
that Creator/ChrisColumbus Dumbledore was doing acting uncharacteristically angry.
** The Burrow Burning scene in ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince'' got this too naturally. Some particularly vocal fans claimed it would cause
a bang-up job and PlotHole for the wedding to take place there in the next film. This was ignoring that ever since then the attack happened in December and the wedding in June - which would be long enough for the Weasleys to rebuild their house. The criticisms of the scene being a BigLippedAlligatorMoment with not much mention afterwards were a little more valid.
** Not even the first films were immune from this. A portion of the base reacted negatively to a change in the Devil's Snare scene. In the book, Hermione panics and Ron has to tell her to get a grip. In the film,
it's been garbage, with ''Azkaban'' the worst offender, with its severe amounts of {{Narm}}, plot holes and missing revelations. Never mind that, with the length of the books spiraling Hermione who remains calm. The complaints about Ron becoming an AdaptationalWimp were taken a little out of control, ''something'' had context[[note]]The film drops the logic puzzle from the book, which served as Hermione's SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfAwesome. This way the Devil's Snare scene fills that function, and likewise Hermione and Ron don't help Harry in the flying keys scene - giving him one.[[/note]] - with many forgetting that the film still keeps the chess scene intact. Ron still saves the day, Hermione panics and has to be cut. Even if stopped by Harry - just like in the [[CompressedAdaptation removed stuff]] [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole gets]] [[AllThereInTheManual non-readers]] [[ContinuityLockout lost]].
book.
** Except An inversion similar to ''The Hunger Games'' example below. When Katie Leung was cast as Cho Chang, many fans were angry at the apparent RaceLift - not realising that Chris Columbus wasn't Cho was meant to be Asian. To Rowling's credit, her race is never mentioned in charge of how true the adaptations were to book and the text. The same writer only description of those first TruerToTheText films stuck around for every remaining film except her is about her long dark hair. But a few missed the fifth, and look how those turned out.
last name, which is the only indicator of her race.
* If you need proof that following a book word by word isn't always a good plan compare BBC's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfNarnia'' and Creator/WaldenMedia's adaptation. The former uses the exact dialogue and is excruciatingly long and dull endeavor. The latter takes a more liberal approach at the storyline but does a much better at capturing the spirit of the books. Though in Fans didn't like the process of adapting liberties taken with the franchise, it moved ever more steadily towards second and third adaptations[[note]]Which were arguably necessary, since both ''Literature/PrinceCaspian'' and ''Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'''s formats don't lend themselves very well to films. ''Prince Caspian'' is an InNameOnly adaptation. They're still good, but they're becoming entirely different stories.extended HowWeGotHere that would require the protagonists to disappear for half the story while the flashback is shown. ''Voyage of the Dawn Treader'' meanwhile is very episodic with no real plot thread tying things together.[[/note]] and claimed they were moving closer to InNameOnly. The extremeness of this audience-reaction-trope was demonstrated by a small line at the end of the third film - "Jill Pole's stopped by for a visit". Cue dozens of purists wailing "Jill and Eustace aren't meant to be friends! Why is she coming over to his house! It's ruined!".




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* This went hand in hand with CriticalDissonance with ''Film/IntoTheWoods''. Critics responded well to the film, yet many hardcore fans of the stage show were not pleased that [[spoiler: Rapunzel's fate is completely different, surviving and getting a MaybeEverAfter with her prince]] - and voted it down for this reason.
8th Mar '16 9:52:21 AM caffeinedelusions
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* If you want to see a fanbase metaphorically explode, just bring up any part of the live-action ''Franchise/{{Transformers|FilmSeries}}'' films that's different from the G1 show on a forum that's full of G1 fans. For starters, many fans were upset that Optimus Prime's truck mode was not a flatnose, he had flames painted on his cab because [[AuthorAppeal the director thought they looked cool]], and his magically appearing/disappearing trailer from G1 was nowhere to be seen. Believe it or not, there were even fans who complained about Megatron's alt-mode being one that was actually usable without having to depend on one of his subordinates to pull the trigger.

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* If you want to see a fanbase metaphorically explode, just bring up any part of the live-action ''Franchise/{{Transformers|FilmSeries}}'' films that's different from the G1 show on a forum that's full of G1 fans. For starters, many fans were upset that Optimus Prime's truck mode was not a flatnose, cab-over truck, he had flames painted on his cab because [[AuthorAppeal the director thought they looked cool]], cool]](Specifically, they'd screen-tested a solid red paint scheme, and the director determined that it looked boring), and his magically appearing/disappearing trailer from G1 was nowhere to be seen. Believe it or not, there were even fans who complained about Megatron's alt-mode being one that was actually usable without having to depend on one of his subordinates to pull the trigger.
20th Feb '16 9:55:29 AM nombretomado
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** People complained about ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} not wearing purple tights and a mask in ''Film/TheAvengers'', even though his movie outfit was a fairly accurate adaptation of his look from ''TheUltimates''.

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** People complained about ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} not wearing purple tights and a mask in ''Film/TheAvengers'', ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', even though his movie outfit was a fairly accurate adaptation of his look from ''TheUltimates''.



** There was much grousing over the lack of head wings on Franchise/CaptainAmerica's mask in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' and ''Film/TheAvengers''.

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** There was much grousing over the lack of head wings on Franchise/CaptainAmerica's mask in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' and ''Film/TheAvengers''.''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''.



* A number of fans (including author GeorgeRRMartin) complained about founding members ComicBook/AntMan and TheWasp being left out of the ''[[Film/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' live-action movie in favor of ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} and Comicbook/BlackWidow, who are portrayed as founders in the film despite not joining the team until well after it was already established in the original comic books. Other complaints ranged from Hawkeye not wearing purple to Captain America not having wings on his helmet. Captain America ''did'' have wings on his helmet; the only thing is these wings are painted on, not jutting out.

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* A number of fans (including author GeorgeRRMartin) complained about founding members ComicBook/AntMan and TheWasp being left out of the ''[[Film/TheAvengers ''[[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]]'' live-action movie in favor of ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} and Comicbook/BlackWidow, who are portrayed as founders in the film despite not joining the team until well after it was already established in the original comic books. Other complaints ranged from Hawkeye not wearing purple to Captain America not having wings on his helmet. Captain America ''did'' have wings on his helmet; the only thing is these wings are painted on, not jutting out.
3rd Feb '16 6:04:35 PM FastFuriousFan
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*** Of course, complaining about C-3PO being built by Anakin is arguably the stupidest excuse for hating the prequels, because it does nothing to [[CharacterDerailment derail C-3PO's character.]] What people should be complaining about is how C-3PO was shunned in favor of [[ReplacementScrappy Jar Jar]]. And in addition to having no Jar Jar and yes much better writing in general, among many other things, it would have helped if C-3PO went with Anakin and started his friendship with R2-D2. C-3PO and R2-D2 have always been a lot funnier than Jar Jar, that's for sure.
22nd Jan '16 3:34:15 PM Anddrix
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* The majority of negative reviews ''Film/{{Annie|2014}}'' is garnering from critics seem to be complaints about:

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* The majority of negative reviews ''Film/{{Annie|2014}}'' ''Film/{{Annie 2014}}'' is garnering from critics seem to be complaints about:



** People were opposed to [[RaceLift the main characters being made black]].
** [[InvertedTrope On the other hand]], they did drop an insensitive line from "Little Girls" ''someday I'll land in the nuthouse/with all of the nuts and the squirrels'' to avoid mocking mental illness.
26th Dec '15 6:53:43 PM Kid
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* ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial''. For the film's 20th anniversary in 2002, it saw guns replaced with walkie-talkies, gave the title character a CGI makeover and changed one line of dialogue using the word "terrorist" (replaced with the word "hippie", which was done to avoid TooSoon accusations but went too far in the other direction and made the 1982 film appear more dated than it was). Mercilessly lampooned in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' parody episode "Free Hat". Incidentally, while said episode portrays Steven Spielberg as the diabolical mastermind behind editing ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk'', with Creator/GeorgeLucas only reluctantly following, in reality Spielberg later stated that editing the movie was a mistake, and the a subsequent home video reissue in 2012 was that of the theatrical version.

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* ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial''. For the film's 20th anniversary in 2002, it saw guns replaced with walkie-talkies, gave the title character a CGI makeover and changed one line of dialogue using the word "terrorist" (replaced with the word "hippie", which was done to avoid TooSoon accusations but went too far in the other direction and made the 1982 film appear more dated than it was). Mercilessly lampooned in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' parody episode "Free Hat". Incidentally, while said episode portrays Steven Spielberg as the diabolical mastermind behind editing ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk'', with Creator/GeorgeLucas only reluctantly following, in reality Spielberg later stated that editing the movie was a mistake, and the a subsequent home video reissue in 2012 was that of the theatrical version.
26th Dec '15 6:49:09 PM Kid
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* The 2010 ''Film/{{Robin Hood|2010}}'' movie has taken a lot of heat for being a history-oriented original origin story instead of a retelling of the Robin Hood story "[[InkStainAdaptation everybody knows]]". The story everyone knows includes the usual setup of Prince John acting as regent in [[UsefulNotes/RichardTheLionHeart King Richard's]] absence, Robin being a outlawed knight, and Robin StormingTheCastle to save Maid Marian. In the 2010 film, these plot elements are either absent ([[spoiler: Richard dies at the start, and John is king for the rest of the film]]) or given a new twist ([[spoiler: Robin, a commoner, poses as Marian's deceased husband, a knight]]), and the main plot is about setting up the legend to happen in the context of a (fictional) French invasion. The movie ends with [[spoiler: Robin finally being outlawed by John.]] Many people were dissatisfied, to say the least, with the film for not following "the story everybody knows". But "the story everybody knows" (most probably through the combination of [[Film/TheAdventuresOfRobinHood Errol Flynn]], [[Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves Kevin Costner]] and [[Disney/RobinHood Disney]]) is itself an AdaptationDistillation of centuries of folklore, literature and previous adaptations. Most of the details in the version everyone knows were only established through the years - including all of the above familiar elements, and Robin ''robbing the rich and giving to the poor'' itself (which is in the film, but not as much as people expected). So the film is bashed somewhat unfairly for changing and adding to the story, when that's how the legend developed in the first place.

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* The 2010 ''Film/{{Robin Hood|2010}}'' movie has taken a lot of heat for being a history-oriented original origin story instead of a retelling of the Robin Hood story "[[InkStainAdaptation everybody knows]]". The story everyone knows includes the usual setup of Prince John acting as regent in [[UsefulNotes/RichardTheLionHeart King Richard's]] absence, Robin being a outlawed knight, and Robin StormingTheCastle to save Maid Marian. In the 2010 film, these plot elements are either absent ([[spoiler: Richard ([[spoiler:Richard dies at the start, and John is king for the rest of the film]]) or given a new twist ([[spoiler: Robin, ([[spoiler:Robin, a commoner, poses as Marian's deceased husband, a knight]]), and the main plot is about setting up the legend to happen in the context of a (fictional) French invasion. The movie ends with [[spoiler: Robin [[spoiler:Robin finally being outlawed by John.]] Many people were dissatisfied, to say the least, with the film for not following "the story everybody knows". But "the story everybody knows" (most probably through the combination of [[Film/TheAdventuresOfRobinHood Errol Flynn]], [[Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves Kevin Costner]] and [[Disney/RobinHood Disney]]) is itself an AdaptationDistillation of centuries of folklore, literature and previous adaptations. Most of the details in the version everyone knows were only established through the years - including all of the above familiar elements, and Robin ''robbing the rich and giving to the poor'' itself (which is in the film, but not as much as people expected). So the film is bashed somewhat unfairly for changing and adding to the story, when that's how the legend developed in the first place.
30th Nov '15 3:31:35 AM Anddrix
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* Fans of ''Literature/PaperTowns'' didn't take well to the changes made to the plot in [[Film/PaperTowns the film adaptation]] (Q attending prom, his friends leaving him in Algoe after his outburst, Lacey and Ben getting together on the roadtrip instead of beforehand, etc).
10th Nov '15 12:17:51 PM Trogdor
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* ''Film/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians: The Lightning Thief'' changed many things in the books. Common minor complaints were character's appearances and behaviors being changed, e.g. Grover being black, Annabeth being brunette and bossy rather than nerdy, all three main characters being 5 years older than in the book, and all Greek Gods and monster appearing modernised. Bigger complaints were that several characters were omitted entirely, notably Dionysus, Clarisse, the Oracle, Kronos and Ares, which greatly changed the plot seeing as Kronos and Ares were important villains. As a result, some characters had their motives completely change, turning Hades, who spent most of the book appearing to be an evil god who stole the lightning bolt but was actually innocent, into an openly evil god who was instantly revealed to ''not'' have taken the bolt. Several small sub-plots were also forgotten, such as Zeus' daughter Thalia and Grover's quest to get a searcher's license.

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* ''Film/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians: The Lightning Thief'' changed many things in the books. Common minor complaints were character's appearances and behaviors being changed, e.g. Grover being black, Annabeth being brunette and bossy rather than nerdy, all three main characters being 5 years older than in the book, and all Greek Gods and monster not appearing modernised. Bigger complaints were that several characters were omitted entirely, notably Dionysus, Clarisse, the Oracle, Kronos and Ares, which greatly changed the plot seeing as Kronos and Ares were important villains. As a result, some characters had their motives completely change, turning Hades, who spent most of the book appearing to be an evil god who stole the lightning bolt but was actually innocent, into an openly evil god who was instantly revealed to ''not'' have taken the bolt. Several small sub-plots were also forgotten, such as Zeus' daughter Thalia and Grover's quest to get a searcher's license.
28th Oct '15 8:40:14 PM R1ck
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* ''Every'' ''Franchise/StarTrek'' movie has attracted this trope for some reason or another.
-->'''[[RedLetterMedia Harry S. Plinkett]]:''' ''Star Trek: Generations'' is the stupidest movie ever made. It ruined everything; and not just Star Trek movies, but ''everything''.
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