History TheyChangedItNowItSucks / Comicbooks

* ''Batman Reborn'' and ''Superman: New Krypton'', two events released around the same time, garnered similar responses, at least initially. Superman was pulled out of ''Superman'' and ''ComicBook/ActionComics'', with those books being taken over by Mon-El, and Nightwing and Flamebird respectively, while Damian Wayne was made into the new Robin, Dick Grayson into the new Batman, and Stephanie Brown into the new ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}. The flagship title ''DetectiveComics'' was also given to {{Batwoman}}. While Batman Reborn proved to be a massive success, New Krypton was met with almost-universal critical panning and falling sales. The New Krypton event was eventually CutShort, and Superman was brought back to his namesake series.

** As noted by coverage at the San Diego Comic Con, this is mostly due to bad advertising where the main blurbs are "see, we're going back to how it used to be" (aggravating current fans, who weren't reading when it was ''how it used to be'') and not giving out details people actually wanted that weren't very spoiler-oriented (Was Tim Drake still Robin in his past? What happens to Stephanie Brown? Did you really just say Ma and Pa Kent are ''both'' dead? Does Wally West exist at all? Why does this feel all Elseworlds-ish?? Etc.

** Actor Scott Porter of the[[{{Anime/X-Men}} X-Men Anime]] and FridayNightLights quite eloquently expressed the frustrations of a lot of Millenial-aged fans in an inteview with Comics Alliance: '' I have to say, and DC is not going to be happy with me, but -- I quit. When they relaunched everything at #1, they reset the entire universe. They've taken us through three Crises in the last three years, and then just ended it all. I feel slightly cheated. I don't know; how do you feel about it?...When I first came to DC, Kyle Rayner was my [Green] Lantern. Young Justice [with] Tim Drake, and Bart Allen, and the Outsiders as I knew them with Nightwing and Arsenal... I thought they were really, really interesting, and I think in the grab to get old readers back, they spit in the face almost of the fans of the characters that were created in the interim. And I love Geoff Johns. I love his work; I read his entire Flash run, his entire Titans run. I've read all of [Green Lantern:] Rebirth and I think bringing Hal [Jordan] back was awesome. They never really found a place for Kyle after that, though, and that kinda sucks, because Kyle was an amazing character in his own right... Relaunching everything and removing some of my favorite characters was a bit much for me to reconcile and handle. I'm not saying I'll never go back to DC. I feel like this is just a phase, and they'll eventually go back to the old numbering and we'll see some characters revert back to what they were before.''

** As noted by coverage at the San Diego Comic Con, this is mostly due to bad advertising where the main blurbs are "see, we're going back to how it used to be" (aggravating current fans, who weren't reading when it was ''how it used to be'') and not giving out details people actually wanted that weren't very spoiler-oriented (Was Tim Drake sill Robin in his past? What happens to Stephanie Brown? Did you really just say Ma and Pa Kent are ''both'' dead? Does Wally West exist at all? why does this feel all Elseworlds-ish?? Etc.

* ''Batman Reborn'' and ''Superman: New Krypton'', two events released around the same time, garnered similar responses, at least initially. Superman was pulled out of ''Superman'' and ''ComicBook/ActionComics'', with those books being taken over by Mon-El, and Nightwing and Flamebird respectively, while Damian Wayne was made into the new Robin, Dick Grayson into the new Batman, and Stephanie Brown into the new ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}. The flagship title ''DetectiveComics'' was also given to {{Batwoman}}. While Batman Reborn proved to be a massive success, New Krypton was met with almost-universal critical panning and falling sales. The New Krypton event was eventually CutShort, and Superman was brought back to his namesake series.

'''Note''': This article lists examples which take place within fandoms; not the TV Trope's opinion as to whether a change is for the worse. TV Trope doesn't have opinions. The focus is on over-reaction about minor changes.

** Actor Scott Porter of the X-MenAnime and FridayNightLights quite eloquently expressed the frustrations of a lot of Millenial-aged fans in an inteview with Comics Alliance: '' I have to say, and DC is not going to be happy with me, but -- I quit. When they relaunched everything at #1, they reset the entire universe. They've taken us through three Crises in the last three years, and then just ended it all. I feel slightly cheated. I don't know; how do you feel about it?...When I first came to DC, Kyle Rayner was my [Green] Lantern. Young Justice [with] Tim Drake, and Bart Allen, and the Outsiders as I knew them with Nightwing and Arsenal... I thought they were really, really interesting, and I think in the grab to get old readers back, they spit in the face almost of the fans of the characters that were created in the interim. And I love Geoff Johns. I love his work; I read his entire Flash run, his entire Titans run. I've read all of [Green Lantern:] Rebirth and I think bringing Hal [Jordan] back was awesome. They never really found a place for Kyle after that, though, and that kinda sucks, because Kyle was an amazing character in his own right... Relaunching everything and removing some of my favorite characters was a bit much for me to reconcile and handle. I'm not saying I'll never go back to DC. I feel like this is just a phase, and they'll eventually go back to the old numbering and we'll see some characters revert back to what they were before.''

* ''Batman Reborn'' and ''Superman: New Krypton'', two events released around the same time, garnered similar responses, at least initially. Superman was pulled out of ''Superman'' and ''ActionComics'', with those books being taken over by Mon-El, and Nightwing and Flamebird respectively, while Damian Wayne was made into the new Robin, Dick Grayson into the new Batman, and Stephanie Brown into the new ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}. The flagship title ''DetectiveComics'' was also given to {{Batwoman}}. While Batman Reborn proved to be a massive success, New Krypton was met with almost-universal critical panning and falling sales. The New Krypton event was eventually CutShort, and Superman was brought back to his namesake series.

* While Brazilian comic MonicasGang is frequently accused of this (then again, which LongRunner comic hasn't [[WereStillRelevantDammit tried to change to get new audiences]]?), complete with a [[SpinoffBabies Spinoff]] [[NotAllowedToGrowUp Teenagers]] manga, there was once a good in-universe example: Penadinho (in English, ''Bug-a-booo'') stars various stock monsters. One comic had the title character, a BedsheetGhost, coming by his FrankensteinMonster friend, Frank, who is lammenting how the creature of ''MaryShelleysFrankenstein'' looked. Then Frank reminds Bug-a-Boo of ''{{Ghost}}''. Later two other characters, a vampire and a werewolf, complain about ''{{Wolf}}''.

** As noted by coverage at the Sandiego Comic-con, this is mostly due to bad advertising where the main blurbs are "see, we're going back to how it used to be" (aggravating current fans, who weren't reading when it was ''how it used to be'') and not giving out details people actually wanted that weren't very spoiler-oriented (Was Tim Drake sill Robin in his past? What happens to Stephanie Brown? Did you really just say Ma and Pa Kent are ''both'' dead? Does Wally West exist at all? why does this feel all Elseworlds-ish?? Ect.
** Every single change to Batgirl - Barbara Gordon crippled = this. Asian Ninja Batgirl = this. Replacement of Asian Ninja Batgirl by Blonde with blue eyes = This and UnfortunateImplications. Finally, replacement of the single fun character in the Batfamily by Barbara Gordon, a decision seemingly only supported by middle-aged women who don't care about anything since the Killing Joke (read:the fairly influential author, who became an author to improve the lot of comicdoms women after the Killing Joke. Yes, really.), an idea long derided as being worse than any other choice of new Batgirl. Yeah.

* The initial reaction to BrianMichaelBendis' controversial revamp of the ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' franchise, where he killed off longtime members Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Vision, and had Scarlet Witch go insane. The subsequent decision to add characters like {{Spider-Man}}, {{Wolverine}}, Echo, Spider Woman, [[ComicBook/{{Alias}} Jessica Jones]], [[LukeCageHeroForHire Luke Cage]] and [[ImmortalIronFist Iron Fist]] to the team was also controversial amongst many old-school purists. Ultimately, Bendis' revamp of the franchise proved massively successful, at least from a financial standpoint.

* ''Batman Reborn'' and ''Superman: New Krypton'', two events released around the same time, garnered similar responses, at least initially. Superman was pulled out of ''Suprman'' and ''ActionComics'', with those books being taken over by Mon-El, and Nightwing and Flamebird respectively, while Damian Wayne was made into the new Robin, Dick Grayson into the new Batman and Stephanie Brown into the new ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}. The flagship title ''DetectiveComics'' was also given to {{Batwoman}}. While Batman Reborn proved to be a massive success, New Krypton was met with almost-universal critical panning and falling sales. The New Krypton event was eventually CutShort, and Superman was brought back to his namesake series.

* The recent [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/ announcement of slimming up the full-figured Amanda Waller]] has resulted in a lot of fans crying foul as they consider her figure to be an integral part of her charm.*

*** YMMV on that last bit, since the first issue of the new ''Batgirl'' series was one of the best-selling issues of the entire relaunch. It even outsold a bunch of fan-favorite titles like ''Wonder Woman'' and ''{{Batwoman}}'', and far outsold the first issue of Steph's series. ****Although Stephanie's series did not have the advantage of a vast amount of controversy, a star author noted for work on that character, and a large amount of marketing besides. See BrokenBase YMMV page for even more.

** Every single change to Batgirl - Barbara Gordon crippled = this. Asian Ninja Batgirl = this. Replacement of Asian Ninja Batgirl by Blonde with blue eyes = This and UnfortunateImplications. Finally, replacement of the single fun character in the Batfamily by Barbara Gordon, a decision seemingly only supported by middle-aged women who don't care about anything since the Killing Joke (read:the fairly influential author), an idea long derided as being worse than any other choice of new Batgirl. Yeah.
*** YMMV on that last bit, since the first issue of the new ''Batgirl'' series was one of the best-selling issues of the entire relaunch. It even outsold a bunch of fan-favorite titles like ''Wonder Woman'' and ''{{Batwoman}}'', and far outsold the first issue of Steph's series.

* The initial reaction to BrianMichaelBendis' controversial revamp of the ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' franchise, where he killed off longtime members Ant-Man and Vision, and had Scarlet Witch go insane. The subsequent decision to add characters like {{Spider-Man}}, {{Wolverine}}, Echo, Spider Woman, [[ComicBook/{{Alias}} Jessica Jones]], [[LukeCageHeroForHire Luke Cage]] and [[ImmortalIronFist Iron Fist]] to the team was also controversial amongst many old-school purists. Ultimately, Bendis' revamp of the franchise proved massively successful, at least from a financial standpoint.

*** YMMV on that last bit, since the first issue of the new ''Batgirl'' series was one of the best-selling issues of the entire relaunch. It even outsold a bunch o fan-favorite titles like ''Wonder Woman'' and ''{{Batwoman}}'', and far outsold the first issue of Steph's series.

* The DCNU relaunch is already getting "They changed it now it sucks" backlash months before it has yet to occur. Although many complaints are due to costume changes and the like.

** YMMV on that last bit, since the first issue of the new ''Batgirl'' series was one of the best-selling issues of the entire relaunch. It even outsold a bunch o fan-favorite titles like ''Wonder Woman'' and ''{{Batwoman}}'', and far outsold the first issue of Steph's series.

* While Brazilian comic MonicasGang is frequently accused of this (then again, which LongRunner comic hasn't [[WereStillRelevantDammit tried to change to get new audiences]]?), complete with a [[SpinoffBabies Spinoff]] [[NotAllowedToGrowUp Teenagers]] manga, there was once a good in-universe example: Penadinho (in English, ''Bug-a-booo'') stars various stock monsters. One comic had the title character, a BedsheetGhost, coming by his FrankensteinMonster friend, Frank, who is lammenting how the creature of ''MaryShelleysFrankenstein'' looked. Then Frank reminds Bug-a-Boo of ''{{Ghost}}''. Later two other characters, a vampire and a werewolf, complain about ''{{Wolf}}''.

* WonderWoman's new revamp seems to be getting this reaction, the general consensus being that the coolest thing about it will be watching the fan's reactions.
** Of course, that won't really be as amazing as all that; Wonder Woman's had so many retcons, facelifts and shifts in tone over the years that she's probably the only one of DC's major characters who doesn't have a long-term fanbase. If you like her characterization on JusticeLeague, there's only about five years or so of continuity in which she behaved like that. If you liked her as an Earth-goddess type, nurturing and kind, there's maybe ten years or so of that. DC never really knows what to do with our poor, beleaguered Amazon, and as such she gets revamped every few years or so.

* James Robinson's current run on JLA is getting this reaction, mainly because of his decision to focus on seven second-stringers: Batman (Dick Grayson), Donna Troy, Jesse Quick, Jade, Supergirl, Starman, and Congorilla, rather than on the "real" Justice League (defined by those who complain as either all A-Listers or as whichever team they grew up reading about). Robinson himself is aware of it, and has made it known that he considers this league as "real" as any other, yet this has done little to stop the sheer amount of complaining on DC's official boards.

* While Brazilian comic MonicasGang is frequently accused of this (then again, which LongRunner comic hasn't [[WereStillRelevantDammit tried to change to get new audiences]]?), complete with a [[SpinoffBabies Spinoff]] [[NotAllowedToGrowUp Teenagers]] manga, there was once a good in-universe example: Penadinho (in English, ''Bug-a-booo'') stars various stock monsters. One comic had the title character, a BedsheetGhost, coming by his FrankensteinMonster friend, Frank, who is lammenting how the creature of ''MaryShelleysFrankenstein'' looked. Then Frank reminds Bug-a-Boo of ''{{Ghost}}''. Later two other characters, a vampire and a werewolf, complain about ''{{Wolf}}''.

* While Brazilian comic MonicasGang is frequently accused of this (then again, which LongRunner comic hasn't [[WereStillRelevantDammit tried to change to get new audiences]]?), complete with a [[SpinoffBabies Spinoff]] [[NotAllowedToGrowUp Teenagers]] manga, there was once a good in-universe example: Penadinho (in English, ''Bug-a-booo'') stars various stock monsters. One comic had the title character, a BedsheetGhost, coming by his FrankensteinMonster friend, Frank, who is lammenting how the creature of ''MaryShelleysFrankenstein'' looked. Then Frank reminds Bug-a-Boo of ''{{Ghost}}''. Later two other characters, a vampire and a werewolf, complain about ''BramStokersDracula'' (I think, haven't read that story in a long time) and ''{{Wolf}}''.

* The recent [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/ announcement of slimming up the full-figured Amanda Waller]] has resulted in a lot of fans crying foul as they consider her figure to be an integral part of her charm.* The recent [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/ announcement of slimming up the full-figured Amanda Waller]] has resulted in a lot of fans crying foul as they consider her figure to be an integral part of her charm.

* The recent [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/ announcement of slimming up the full-figured Amanda Waller]] has resulted in a lot of fans crying foul as they consider her figure to be an integral part of her charm.* The recent [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/ announcement of slimming up the full-figured Amanda Waller]] has resulted in a lot of fans crying foul as they consider her figure to be an integral part of her charm.

* While Brazilian comic MonicasGang is frequently accused of this (then again, which LongRunner comic hasn't [[WereStillRelevantDammit tried to change to get new audiences]]?), complete with a [[SpinoffBabies Spinoff]] [[NotAllowedToGrowUp Teenagers]] manga, there was once a good in-universe example: Penadinho (in English, ''Bug-a-booo'') stars various stock monsters. One comic had the title character, a BedsheetGhost, coming by his FrankensteinMonster friend, Frank, who is lammenting how the creature of ''MaryShelleysFrankenstein'' looked. Then Frank reminds Bug-a-Boo of ''{{Ghost}}''. Later two other characters, a vampire and a werewolf, complain about ''BramStokersDracula'' (I think, haven't read that story in a long time) and ''{{Wolf}}''.

* While Brazilian comic MonicasGang is frequently accused of this (then again, which LongRunner comic hasn't [[WereStillRelevantDammit tried to change to get new audiences]]?), complete with a [[SpinoffBabies Spinoff]] [[NotAllowedToGrowUp Teenagers]] manga, there was once a good in-universe example: Penadinho (in English, ''Bug-a-booo'') stars various stock monsters. One comic had the title character, a BedsheetGhost, coming by his FrankensteinMonster friend, Frank, who is lammenting how the creature of ''MaryShelleysFrankenstein'' looked. Then Frank reminds Bug-a-Boo of ''{{Ghost}}''. Later two other characters, a vampire and a werewolf, complain about ''BramStokersDracula'' (I think, haven't read that story in a long time) and ''{{Wolf}}''.
* In the matter of hours after the announcement of DC's new September semi-reboot, roughly 80% of the internet came to this reaction.

* While Brazilian comic MonicasGang is frequently accused of this (then again, which LongRunner comic hasn't [[WereStillRelevantDammit tried to change to get new audiences]]?), complete with a [[SpinoffBabies Spinoff]] [[NotAllowedToGrowUp Teenagers]] manga, there was once a good in-universe example: Penadinho (in English, ''Bug-a-booo'') stars various stock monsters. One comic had the title character, a BedsheetGhost, coming by his FrankensteinMonster friend, Frank, who is lammenting how the creature of ''MaryShelleysFrankenstein'' looked. Then Frank reminds Bug-a-Boo of ''{{Ghost}}''. Later two other characters, a vampire and a werewolf, complain about ''BramStokersDracula'' (I think, haven't read that story in a long time) and ''{{Wolf}}''.