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8th Jan '18 10:00:57 AM lillolillo
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* This is the opinion the head writers and editors at DC (led by Creator/DanDidio and Creator/GeoffJohns) had about the changes their predecessors made to Franchise/TheDCU in the 80s and 90s, in particular ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' and ''ComicBook/EmeraldTwilight''. As a result, ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', ''Green Lantern Rebirth'' and the multiple Superman/Batman crossover events retconned those changes, leading to backlash from the current fandom shouting that the current changes have ruined the DCU FOREVER.
26th Dec '17 2:28:51 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The initial reaction to Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' controversial revamp of the ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' franchise, where he killed off longtime members ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}, [[ComicBook/AntMan Ant-Man]], and ComicBook/TheVision, and had Scarlet Witch go insane. The subsequent decision to add characters like {{Spider-Man}}, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, Echo, ComicBook/SpiderWoman, ComicBook/JessicaJones, [[ComicBook/LukeCageHeroForHire Luke Cage]] and [[ComicBook/ImmortalIronFist Iron Fist]] to the team was also controversial amongst many old-school purists. However, Bendis' revamp of the franchise proved massively successful, at least from a financial standpoint.

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* The initial reaction to Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' controversial revamp of the ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' franchise, where he killed off longtime members ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}, [[ComicBook/AntMan Ant-Man]], and ComicBook/TheVision, and had Scarlet Witch go insane. The subsequent decision to add characters like {{Spider-Man}}, Franchise/SpiderMan, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, Echo, ComicBook/SpiderWoman, ComicBook/JessicaJones, [[ComicBook/LukeCageHeroForHire Luke Cage]] and [[ComicBook/ImmortalIronFist Iron Fist]] to the team was also controversial amongst many old-school purists. However, Bendis' revamp of the franchise proved massively successful, at least from a financial standpoint.
24th Dec '17 4:57:35 PM quackytrope
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** Also averted with ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'', which remained popular and well received, [[spoiler: even after Peter Parker was killed and another Spider-Man succeeded him]].

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** Also averted with ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'', which remained popular and well received, [[spoiler: even after Peter Parker was killed and another Spider-Man succeeded him]].Miles Morales became the new Spider-Man. Like the Maker, he's considered one of the best things to come out of the Ultimate Universe, to the point that he was officially brought into the main Marvel Universe after the Ultimate Universe was destroyed. He's made appearances in cartoons and other merchandise, and even has [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse his own movie]]. BreakoutCharacter doesn't even begin to describe it]].
24th Dec '17 4:50:41 PM quackytrope
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** Also averted with ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'', which was popular and well received for most of it's run.

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** Also averted with ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'', which was remained popular and well received for most of it's run.received, [[spoiler: even after Peter Parker was killed and another Spider-Man succeeded him]].
24th Dec '17 4:47:18 PM quackytrope
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** Also averted with ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan, which was popular and well received for most of it's run.

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** Also averted with ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan, ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'', which was popular and well received for most of it's run.
24th Dec '17 4:46:52 PM quackytrope
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** Also averted with ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan, which was popular and well received for most of it's run.
16th Dec '17 9:37:14 AM lillolillo
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* This is the opinion the head writers and editors at DC (led by Creator/DanDidio and Creator/GeoffJohns) had about the changes their predecessors made to the DCU in the 80s and 90s, in particular ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' and ''Emerald Twilight''. As a result, ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', ''Green Lantern Rebirth'' and the multiple Batman/Superman crossover events have been their way of retconning those changes, leading to backlash from the current ifandom shouting that the current changes have ruined the DCU FOREVER.

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* This is the opinion the head writers and editors at DC (led by Creator/DanDidio and Creator/GeoffJohns) had about the changes their predecessors made to the DCU Franchise/TheDCU in the 80s and 90s, in particular ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' and ''Emerald Twilight''. ''ComicBook/EmeraldTwilight''. As a result, ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', ''Green Lantern Rebirth'' and the multiple Batman/Superman Superman/Batman crossover events have been their way of retconning retconned those changes, leading to backlash from the current ifandom fandom shouting that the current changes have ruined the DCU FOREVER.



** Changes to ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} get a lot of this. Barbara Gordon being crippled was this. Barbara Gordon being uncrippled was this. Barbara Gordon being uncrippled compounded with the Asian Batgirl and the Batgirl from a lower-class background being erased was both this and UnfortunateImplications.

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** Changes to ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} get a lot of this. Barbara Gordon being crippled was this. Barbara Gordon being uncrippled was this. Barbara Gordon being uncrippled compounded with the Asian Batgirl and the Batgirl from a lower-class background being erased was both this and UnfortunateImplications.this.



* ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'': Back in 2009 DC took steps to correct several issues which had plagued ''[[ComicBook/Supergirl2005 her Post-Crisis title]]'', such like excessive, disturbing fanservice. Artist Jamal Igle started to drawing bike shorts under Supergirl's skirt, which led to fans [[http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.com.es/2009/06/what-more-bike-shorts-talk.html complaining]] [[http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.com.es/2009/07/one-last-bike-shorts-post.html loudly]], to the point that Newsrama and other comic sites echoed the "controversy".



* James Robinson's run on ''Justice League of America'' got this reaction, mainly because of his decision to focus on seven second-stringers: Batman (Dick Grayson), Donna Troy, Jesse Quick, Jade, Supergirl, Starman, and Congorilla, rather than on the "real" Justice League (defined by those who complain as either all A-Listers or as whichever team they grew up reading about). Robinson himself is aware of it, and has made it known that he considers this league as "real" as any other, yet this has done little to stop the sheer amount of complaining on DC's official boards. There was some griping about the UnfortunateImplications behind Robinson getting rid of all the non-white characters like Vixen and Doctor Light in order to write a group of his mostly-white [[CreatorsPet pet characters]]. Lampshaded in the final issue, where Batman makes a very thinly-veiled speech about not caring about how poorly his version of the League was received by the public, and that they should be proud of their team.

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* James Robinson's run on ''Justice League of America'' ''Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' got this reaction, mainly because of his decision to focus on seven second-stringers: Batman (Dick Grayson), ComicBook/WonderGirl Donna Troy, Jesse Quick, Jade, Supergirl, ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, Starman, and Congorilla, rather than on the "real" Justice League (defined by those who complain as either all A-Listers or as whichever team they grew up reading about). Robinson himself is aware of it, and has made it known that he considers this league as "real" as any other, yet this has done did little to stop the sheer amount of complaining on DC's official boards. There was some griping about the UnfortunateImplications behind Robinson getting rid of all the non-white characters like Vixen and Doctor Light in order to write a group of his mostly-white [[CreatorsPet pet characters]]. Lampshaded in the final issue, where Batman makes a very thinly-veiled speech about not caring about how poorly his version of the League was received by the public, and that they should be proud of their team.boards.



* ''Batman Reborn'' and ''Superman: ComicBook/NewKrypton'', two events released around the same time, garnered similar responses, at least initially. Superman was pulled out of ''Superman'' and ''ComicBook/ActionComics'', with those books being taken over by Mon-El and Nightwing and Flamebird respectively, while Damian Wayne was made into the new Robin, Dick Grayson into the new Batman, and Stephanie Brown into the new ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}. The flagship title ''Creator/DetectiveComics'' was also given to ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}. While Batman Reborn proved to be a massive success, New Krypton was met with almost-universal critical panning and falling sales. The New Krypton event was eventually CutShort, and Superman was brought back to his namesake series.



* ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'': A very large proportion of the Spiderman fandom declared the storyline as its collective BerserkButton, after Creator/JoeQuesada considered dealing with Marvel's answer to Satan (who has since tacitly confirmed that he is Satan) a more realistic way to break up the much loved Spider Marriage than oh, divorce, or something like that. Due to this, the large amount of ExecutiveMeddling and the MarySue new love interest for Peter in the form of Carlie Cooper, it went down like a lead balloon.

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* ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'': A very large proportion of the Spiderman Franchise/SpiderMan fandom declared the storyline as its collective BerserkButton, after Creator/JoeQuesada considered dealing with Marvel's answer to Satan (who has since tacitly confirmed that he is Satan) a more realistic way to break up the much loved Spider Marriage than oh, divorce, or something like that. Due to this, the large amount of ExecutiveMeddling and the MarySue new love interest for Peter in the form of Carlie Cooper, it went down like a lead balloon.



*** It doesn't help that Slott is one of the champions of "One More Day", and one of the main points of supporters for "One More Day" is that is made Peter relatable again.
* The main issue with Malibu's attempt at a ''StreetFighter'' [[ComicBook/MalibuComicsStreetFighter comic]]. They took so many liberties with the franchise's canon (including killing Ken - who, keep in mind, is one of the main characters of the franchise - in the ''second issue'') that Creator/{{Capcom}} ''literally stepped in and asked them to stop publishing it''.

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*** ** It doesn't help that Slott is one of the champions of "One More Day", and one of the main points of supporters for "One More Day" is that is made Peter relatable again.
* The main issue with Malibu's attempt at a ''StreetFighter'' ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' [[ComicBook/MalibuComicsStreetFighter comic]]. They took so many liberties with the franchise's canon (including killing Ken - who, keep in mind, is one of the main characters of the franchise - in the ''second issue'') that Creator/{{Capcom}} ''literally stepped in and asked them to stop publishing it''.



* The most recent example of this trope came after the first issue of ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaSteveRogers'' where TheStinger is [[spoiler: that not only is Steve now a member of HYDRA, but has been so since the beginning.]] Fans have taken this as a slap in the face and have taken to Twitter and Tumblr to express their dislike and some have vowed to boycott the series or Marvel in general until this is retconned. Some fans believe it's a cheap comic gimmick to be retconned after all the hate, while others see it as a disgrace to the original works of Jack Kirby and Joe Simon and to Veterans and America as a whole.

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* The most recent example TheStinger of this trope came after the first issue of ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaSteveRogers'' where TheStinger is [[spoiler: that not only is Steve now a member of HYDRA, but has been so since the beginning.]] Fans have taken this as a slap in the face and have taken to Twitter and Tumblr to express their dislike and some have vowed to boycott the series or Marvel in general until this is retconned. Some fans believe it's a cheap comic gimmick to be retconned after all the hate, while others see it as a disgrace to the original works of Jack Kirby and Joe Simon and to Veterans and America as a whole.
5th Sep '17 7:01:04 AM UchuuFlamenco
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** Another, even more widely accepepted change with Glomgold is his nationality. He was originally South African. However, foreign comics (and ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'') had him living in Duckburg and never refer to his origins (or, when he did, he was said to be Scottish like Scrooge). The one thing Barks used consistently whenever he used Glomgold was the fact that the character was South African. A few AscendedFanboy[=s=], such as Creator/DonRosa, have since restored him to his original roots from the 1990's onwards.

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** Another, even more widely accepepted accepted change with Glomgold is his nationality. He was originally South African. However, foreign comics (and ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'') had him living in Duckburg and never refer to his origins (or, when he did, he was said to be Scottish like Scrooge). The one thing Barks used consistently whenever he used Glomgold was the fact that the character was South African. A few AscendedFanboy[=s=], such as Creator/DonRosa, have since restored him to his original roots from the 1990's onwards.
5th Sep '17 6:58:50 AM UchuuFlamenco
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** Eega Beeva was initially a time-travelling Earth man from the year 3000. When editors decided it just wasn't plausible that humanity would evolve ''that'' much in only one thousand years, he was retconned to simply be an alien. Like Glomgold, from hte 90's onwards, new authors who had grown up with the original time-travelling version changed it ''again'' and emphasized he was a time-traveller. The authors who preferred him as an alien now say he is [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot an alien from the future]].

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** Eega Beeva was initially a time-travelling Earth man from the year 3000. When editors decided it just wasn't plausible that humanity would evolve ''that'' much in only one thousand years, he was retconned to simply be an alien. Like Glomgold, from hte the 90's onwards, new authors who had grown up with the original time-travelling version changed it ''again'' and emphasized he was a time-traveller. The authors who preferred him as an alien now say he is [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot an alien from the future]].
5th Sep '17 5:50:07 AM UchuuFlamenco
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** Recurring villain Flintheart Glomgold is generally used as Scrooge McDuck's EvilTwin as rich and tricky as him, but with none of his redeeming qualities such as work ethics or a genuine love for his family. However, his first two appearances under the pen of Carl Barks[[note]] who is basically to the Disney comics universe what Stan Lee is to superhero comics[[/note]] [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness were very different]]: he was not an EvilTwin but a ''complete'' twin, whose fights with Scrooge were all the wackier because Scrooge was basically being pitted against himself. A small but significant portion of the fan base resents that other authors changed Barks' "richer" original vision.

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** Recurring villain Flintheart Glomgold is generally used as Scrooge McDuck's [=McDuck=]'s EvilTwin as rich and tricky as him, but with none of his redeeming qualities such as work ethics or a genuine love for his family. However, his first two appearances under the pen of Carl Barks[[note]] who is basically to the Disney comics universe what Stan Lee is to superhero comics[[/note]] [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness were very different]]: he was not an EvilTwin but a ''complete'' twin, whose fights with Scrooge were all the wackier because Scrooge was basically being pitted against himself. A small but significant portion of the fan base resents that other authors changed Barks' "richer" original vision.
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