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* KickTheSonOfABitch: Sweeney beings his transition into a SerialKiller by killing Adolfo Pirelli.
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* AntiVillain: Again, Sweeney Todd himself.
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* HeroAntagonist: Tobias Ragg
* HeroicSociopath: Given that he was wrongly imprisoned for more than a decade and has lost his wife and daughter, the audience is encouraged to sympathize with Sweeney Todd. At first.
* HeroicSociopath: Given that he was wrongly imprisoned for more than a decade and has lost his wife and daughter, the audience is encouraged to sympathize with Sweeney Todd. At first.
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* HeroAntagonist: Tobias Ragg
* HeroicSociopath: Given that he was wrongly imprisoned for more than a decade and has lost his wife and daughter, the audience is encouraged to sympathize with Sweeney Todd. At first.Ragg.
* HeroicSociopath: Given that he was wrongly imprisoned for more than a decade and has lost his wife and daughter, the audience is encouraged to sympathize with Sweeney Todd. At first.
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* SoBeautifulItsACurse: All of the Barkers. Lucy's beauty is what caused the Judge's attraction to her and kickstarted the plot. The same applies to Johanna once she grows older and the Judge sets his sights on her. Meanwhile, Todd may have been able to reunite with Lucy (or at least [[spoiler: not have killed her]]) if he hadn't attracted Mrs. Lovett.
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* SoBeautifulItsACurse: All of the Barkers. Lucy's beauty is what caused the Judge's attraction to her and kickstarted the plot. The same applies to Johanna once she grows older and the Judge sets his sights on her. Meanwhile, Todd may have been able to reunite with Lucy (or at least [[spoiler: not have killed her]]) if he hadn't attracted Mrs. Lovett.Lovett.
* SociopathicHero: Given that he was wrongly imprisoned for more than a decade and has lost his wife and daughter, the audience is encouraged to sympathize with Sweeney Todd. At first.
* SociopathicHero: Given that he was wrongly imprisoned for more than a decade and has lost his wife and daughter, the audience is encouraged to sympathize with Sweeney Todd. At first.
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* VictoriasSecretCompartment: Mrs. Lovett [[spoiler:puts Pirelli's purse in hers]]
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* VictoriasSecretCompartment: Mrs. Lovett [[spoiler:puts Pirelli's purse in hers]]hers]].
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* GenreBlindness: This one stretches the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief to the point of breaking it. Let's see: What on God's Earth is Judge Turpin thinking when he lets Todd shave him [[spoiler:FOR THE SECOND TIME]]???!!!
-->'''Judge Turpin:''' ''(Thinking)'' Oh, I'm going to let this [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter completely innocent]] and [[LooksLikeCesare sinister barber]] shave me. A barber which, incidentally, lives on the SAME house of Benjamin Barker, the barber that I sent to prison so I could [[MoralEventHorizon rape his wife]] and keep his daughter [[WifeHusbandry to do the same to her when she's 16?]] A barber which keeps making lots of [[PreMortemOneLiner unsettling one-liner]] [[{{Pun}} jokes]] about "the closest shave he's ever gave" or the woman I raped??? A man who seems to be OBSSESSED about shaving me [[spoiler:to the point of asking if I would like to be shaved when I'm in the middle of rescuing my future bride from the hands of a sailor]]?! Totally harmless... [[spoiler:[[TheReveal OH! HE]]]]'''[[spoiler:[[TheReveal IS]]]]''' [[spoiler:[[NoDoubtTheYearsHaveChangedMe BENJAMIN BARKER!!!]] OhCrap!]] ''[[spoiler:*slit*]]''
** The possible explanation of this is that [[spoiler:Sweeney said he'd talked to Johanna and that she'd admitted she was wrong and actually ''wanted'' to marry Judge [[AWorldwidePunomenon Turpentine]]]].
*** Turpin didn't realise that [[spoiler:she was being rescued from the asylum as they were talking; he probably assumed that Todd had visited her to try and get her to apologise, and that she was willing to marry Turpin just to get out of the mad house. Because, being honest with you, madhouses that people like her would be sent to aren't going to be very pleasant.]]
-->'''Judge Turpin:''' ''(Thinking)'' Oh, I'm going to let this [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter completely innocent]] and [[LooksLikeCesare sinister barber]] shave me. A barber which, incidentally, lives on the SAME house of Benjamin Barker, the barber that I sent to prison so I could [[MoralEventHorizon rape his wife]] and keep his daughter [[WifeHusbandry to do the same to her when she's 16?]] A barber which keeps making lots of [[PreMortemOneLiner unsettling one-liner]] [[{{Pun}} jokes]] about "the closest shave he's ever gave" or the woman I raped??? A man who seems to be OBSSESSED about shaving me [[spoiler:to the point of asking if I would like to be shaved when I'm in the middle of rescuing my future bride from the hands of a sailor]]?! Totally harmless... [[spoiler:[[TheReveal OH! HE]]]]'''[[spoiler:[[TheReveal IS]]]]''' [[spoiler:[[NoDoubtTheYearsHaveChangedMe BENJAMIN BARKER!!!]] OhCrap!]] ''[[spoiler:*slit*]]''
** The possible explanation of this is that [[spoiler:Sweeney said he'd talked to Johanna and that she'd admitted she was wrong and actually ''wanted'' to marry Judge [[AWorldwidePunomenon Turpentine]]]].
*** Turpin didn't realise that [[spoiler:she was being rescued from the asylum as they were talking; he probably assumed that Todd had visited her to try and get her to apologise, and that she was willing to marry Turpin just to get out of the mad house. Because, being honest with you, madhouses that people like her would be sent to aren't going to be very pleasant.]]
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The original Broadway production went up in 1979 at the Uris Theatre. It was directed by Harold Prince and starred Len Cariou as Sweeney Todd and Angela Lansbury as Mrs. Lovett. It has since been the subject of many revivals and concerts, and is widely considered Sondheim's masterpiece, and since the latest revival and release of [[Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet the Tim Burton film version]], it has become even more popular than ''IntoTheWoods''.
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The original Broadway production went up in 1979 at the Uris Theatre. It was directed by Harold Prince and starred Len Cariou as Sweeney Todd and Angela Lansbury AngelaLansbury as Mrs. Lovett. It has since been the subject of many revivals and concerts, and is widely considered Sondheim's masterpiece, and since the latest revival and release of [[Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet the Tim Burton film version]], it has become even more popular than ''IntoTheWoods''.
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* BreakingTheFourthWall:
** The section in "Epiphany" where Todd turns on (and in some performances, ''leaps into'' and menaces) the audience.
** "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" is addressed directly to the audience and contains the following lines:
---> ''What happened then?''
---> ''Well, that's the play,''
---> ''And he wouldn't want us to give it away ...''
** The section in "Epiphany" where Todd turns on (and in some performances, ''leaps into'' and menaces) the audience.
** "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" is addressed directly to the audience and contains the following lines:
---> ''What happened then?''
---> ''Well, that's the play,''
---> ''And he wouldn't want us to give it away ...''
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* PaintingTheFourthWall:
** The section in "Epiphany" where Todd turns on (and in some performances, ''leaps into'' and menaces) the audience.
** "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" is addressed directly to the audience and contains the following lines:
---> ''What happened then?''
---> ''Well, that's the play,''
---> ''And he wouldn't want us to give it away ...''
** The section in "Epiphany" where Todd turns on (and in some performances, ''leaps into'' and menaces) the audience.
** "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" is addressed directly to the audience and contains the following lines:
---> ''What happened then?''
---> ''Well, that's the play,''
---> ''And he wouldn't want us to give it away ...''
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** Even the possible explanation of this, that [[spoiler:Sweeney'd said he'd talked to Johanna and that she'd admitted she was wrong and actually ''wanted'' to marry Judge [[AWorldwidePunomenon Turpentine]]]], really strains this troper's WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
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** Even the The possible explanation of this, this is that [[spoiler:Sweeney'd [[spoiler:Sweeney said he'd talked to Johanna and that she'd admitted she was wrong and actually ''wanted'' to marry Judge [[AWorldwidePunomenon Turpentine]]]], really strains this troper's WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.Turpentine]]]].
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*** In all the versions This Troper's seen, Johanna is or goes insane, but it's always a "manageable" insane that shouldn't seriously handicap her, much less send her on a [[InsaneEqualsViolent murderous rampage.]]
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** This was made even better in the production this troper saw. The first two verses were sung with only the singer illuminated. During the music between the second verse and the above line, the entire stage was dark and the entire cast assembled in ranks. The line starts; cue ''every'' spotlight in the house going on and ScareChord. Truly amazing.
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** This was made even better in the production this troper saw. The first two verses were sung with only the singer illuminated. During the music between the second verse and the above line, the entire stage was dark and the entire cast assembled in ranks. The line starts; cue ''every'' spotlight in the house going on and ScareChord. Truly amazing.
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** Which actually helped to further isolate him from the rest of the cast, most of whom either were English or affecting FakeBrit accents.
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** Which actually helped to further isolate him sharpen the character's isolation from the rest of the cast, most of whom either were English or affecting FakeBrit accents.
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* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Len Cariou in the original production made no attempt at an English accent.
** Which actually helped to further isolate him from the rest of the cast, most of whom either were English or affecting FakeBrit accents.
** Which actually helped to further isolate him from the rest of the cast, most of whom either were English or affecting FakeBrit accents.
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Couple more things, oops.
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* GenreBlindness: This one preety stretches the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief to the point of breaking it. Let's see: What on God's Earth is Judge Turpin thinking when he lets Todd shave him [[spoiler:FOR THE SECOND TIME]]???!!!
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* GenreBlindness: This one preety stretches the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief to the point of breaking it. Let's see: What on God's Earth is Judge Turpin thinking when he lets Todd shave him [[spoiler:FOR THE SECOND TIME]]???!!!
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Well, pity\\
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Well, pity\\pity
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* TheOphelia: Johanna in many productions.
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* TheOphelia: Johanna in many productions. She's sometimes wearing flowers in her hair when she's in the asylum.
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We don\'t need to keep mistakes up.
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** [[spoiler:The beggar woman's part in the Johanna Quartet, especially the "set it on fire" bit. Guess how Mrs. Lovett dies in the end?]]
*** [[spoiler: The lyric is actually "City on Fire", not "set it on fire".]]
*** [[spoiler: The lyric is actually "City on Fire", not "set it on fire".]]
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*** [[spoiler: The lyric is actually "City on Fire", not "set it on fire".]]
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Nothing to do with masturbation- Mrs Lovett is implying she and Todd are having sex, which would be legitimized by marriage.
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: "[[IsThatWhatTheyreCallingItNow Me rumpled bedding legitimized...]] the moment I mutter, 'I do,'" sings Mrs. Lovett in "By the Sea."
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* HatedHometown: When Sweeney agrees that "there's no place like London," it's not praise.
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* CrosscastRole: In the 2005 revival, Pirelli is played by a woman, but as a man.
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* GenderFlip: Well, sort of. In the 2005 revival, Pirelli is played by a woman, but as a man.
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A woman alone,\\
With limited wind,\\
And the worst pies in London!\\
Ah, sir, times is hard\\
Times is hard.
With limited wind,\\
And the worst pies in London!\\
Ah, sir, times is hard\\
Times is hard.
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* LonelyRichKid: Johanna
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You differ to her gent-\\
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You differ defer to her gent-\\
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**And again in the same song!
-->Meaning no offense, it\\
Happens they resents it\\
Ladies in their sensit-\\
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-->Meaning no offense, it\\
Happens they resents it\\
Ladies in their sensit-\\
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** Similarly, in different ways, both Toby and Mrs. Lovett seem to think of themselves as being in a more conventional Victorian rags to riches story, with Lovett planning a better life away from the city, and Toby believing that he can protect and repay her for saving him. Indeed, much of the pathos in the play comes from characters acting as though they are in a rather different style of performance.
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*[[LikeFatherLikeSon Like Mother, Like Daughter:]] A blink-and-you'll-miss-it example, but at the beginning of "Kiss Me," Johanna's first idea of how to avoid marrying Turpin is to poison herself: "I'll swallow poison on Sunday/That's what I'll do, I'll get some lye..."
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* BreakTheCutie: Toby and Johanna, as well as Todd himself [[spoiler:when his name was still Benjamin Barker]].
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* IWasQuiteALooker: Lucy Barker
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* WrongGenreSavvy: Anthony believes himself to be the romantic hero of a love story between him and Johanna and is completely naive to how corrupt and evil the other characters are (including his "friend" Sweeney Todd). Johanna seems much less naive than him as she grew up with the Judge and knows how awful he is.
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* SoBeautifulItsACurse: All of the Barkers. Lucy's beauty is what caused the Judge's attraction to her and kickstarted the plot. The same applies to Johanna once she grows older and the Judge sets his sights on her. Meanwhile, Todd may have been able to reunite with Lucy (or at least [[spoiler: not have killed her]]) if he hadn't attracted Mrs. Lovett.
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* VillainousCrush: Judge Turpin for both Lucy and Johanna.
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* HypocriticalHumor: "Wouldn't do in my shop/why the thought's enough to make you sick/and I'm telling you them pussy cats is quick!"
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** All three of the Barkers end up in their old room together and none of them are aware that the others are there.
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* DissonantSerenity: Sweeney's part in the Johanna Quartet is this. He murders people in an eerily detached manner, singing a gorgeous song.
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* TheIngenue: Johanna.
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* TheIngenue: Johanna.Johanna, at least until some time in the asylum.
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* YankTheDogsChain: At the very end, Todd finally tells Mrs. Lovett everything she's been longing for him to tell her throughout the play, while ''dancing'' with her. And then [[spoiler: he throws her in the oven and lets her burn to death.]]
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* IHaveYouNowMyPretty: Judge Turpin does this EVERY TIME he meets a beautiful woman!!!
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* IHaveYouNowMyPretty: Judge Turpin does has a serious problem with lust when it comes to pretty women, and ends up doing this EVERY TIME he meets a beautiful woman!!!to Lucy Barker in the "Poor Thing" scene.
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Justified Trope means that there\'s an *in-story* reason for it, not \"there\'s an explanation for why the writer did that\".
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** {{Justified|Trope}} in that it was written as a stage musical. If you are in the back row of a theater, it's hard to tell who's supposed to be attractive and who's supposed to be ugly. Simply having another character state it makes it easier on the costume designers and makeup artists.
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* InformedAttractiveness: Lucy and Johanna.
** {{Justified|Trope}} in that it was written as a stage musical. If you are in the back row of a theater, it's hard to tell who's supposed to be attractive and who's supposed to be ugly. Simply having another character state it makes it easier on the costume designers and makeup artists.
** {{Justified|Trope}} in that it was written as a stage musical. If you are in the back row of a theater, it's hard to tell who's supposed to be attractive and who's supposed to be ugly. Simply having another character state it makes it easier on the costume designers and makeup artists.
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** Also in the original story, Tobias is employed from the beginning by Sweeney Todd, and he had only very passing interaction with Mrs. Lovett (specifically, stopping by to buy a pie). Instead of Anthony, we had Mark Ingestrie, and he and Johanna have a more unambiguously happy ending. Most of the characters from the play and movie appear, but many have had their roles, relationships, and so on shuffled around, essentially being recast (or using a very, very AlternateCharacterInterpretation).
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** Also in the original story, Tobias is employed from the beginning by Sweeney Todd, and he had only very passing interaction with Mrs. Lovett (specifically, stopping by to buy a pie). Instead of Anthony, we had Mark Ingestrie, and he and Johanna have a more unambiguously happy ending. Most of the characters from the play and movie appear, but many have had their roles, relationships, and so on shuffled around, essentially being recast (or using a very, very AlternateCharacterInterpretation).AlternativeCharacterInterpretation).
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* [[PreAssKickingOneLiner Pre-Asskicking]][=/=]PreMortemOneLiner: "BENJAMIN BARKER!!!"
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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Sweeney Todd himself.