History Theatre / SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet

23rd Jun '16 1:06:03 PM Ebrbfureh
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* HypocriticalHumor: "Wouldn't do in my shop/why the thought's enough to make you sick/and I'm telling you them pussy cats is quick!"

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* HypocriticalHumor: "Wouldn't do in my shop/why the thought's enough to make you sick/and I'm telling you them pussy cats pussycats is quick!"



** "No?" . . . "AH!" "Good, you got it."

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** "No?" . . ."No?" ... "AH!" "Good, you got it."



** There is also the underscoring when Todd sings "and my Lucy lies in ashes" is also played when [[spoiler: he kills the Beggar Woman]]. There's also the Beggar Woman's "Alms, Alms!" is a repeated motif- "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" is reprise and entertained within many songs- honestly, it would probably be faster to list what isn't a motif.

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** There is also the underscoring when Todd sings "and my Lucy lies in ashes" is also played when [[spoiler: he kills the Beggar Woman]]. There's also the Beggar Woman's "Alms, Alms!" is a repeated motif- "The motif--"The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" is reprise and entertained within many songs- honestly, songs--honestly, it would probably be faster to list what isn't a motif.



** Johanna - soprano
** Beggar Woman - mezzo-soprano
** Mrs. Lovett - mezzo-belter
** Beadle Bamford - tenor/counter-tenor
** Pirelli - tenor/counter-tenor ( this role is sometimes played by [[CrosscastRole a soprano in drag,]] because of its high range (two, sometimes 3 high Cs!) for example in the 2005 revival version.)
** Tobias - tenor
** Anthony - lyric baritone or tenor
** Sweeney Todd - bass-baritone
** Judge Turpin - bass

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** Johanna - soprano
** Beggar Woman - mezzo-soprano
** Mrs. Lovett - mezzo-belter
** Beadle Bamford - tenor/counter-tenor
** Pirelli - tenor/counter-tenor ( this role is sometimes played by [[CrosscastRole a soprano in drag,]] because of its high range (two, sometimes 3 high Cs!) for example in the 2005 revival version.)
** Tobias - tenor
** Anthony - lyric baritone or tenor
** Sweeney Todd - bass-baritone
** Judge Turpin - bass
23rd Jun '16 12:53:19 PM Ebrbfureh
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* EvilVersusEvil: A StrawNihilist SerialKiller with a [[WeaponOfChoice razor]] who [[ImAHumanitarian has his victims baked into pies]] with the help of a ruthless {{Yandere}} StepfordSmiler, against a HangingJudge [[DirtyOldMan Pervert]] whose backstory includes {{rap|eIsASpecialKindOfEvil}}ing the [[SerialKiller serial killer's]] [[ItsPersonal wife]], and whose introduction is a KickTheDog - he [[KangarooCourt has the title character transported for life]] so that he could have his wife for himself. His [[TheDragon "best friend"]] sees nothing wrong with any of this and is quite content to help him [[{{Squick}} seduce the]] daughter, who the judge [[WifeHusbandry has adopted as his own]].

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* EvilVersusEvil: A StrawNihilist SerialKiller with a [[WeaponOfChoice razor]] who [[ImAHumanitarian has his victims baked into pies]] with the help of a ruthless {{Yandere}} StepfordSmiler, against a HangingJudge [[DirtyOldMan Pervert]] whose backstory includes {{rap|eIsASpecialKindOfEvil}}ing the [[SerialKiller serial killer's]] [[ItsPersonal wife]], and whose introduction is a KickTheDog - he KickTheDog--he [[KangarooCourt has the title character transported for life]] so that he could have his wife for himself. His [[TheDragon "best friend"]] sees nothing wrong with any of this and is quite content to help him [[{{Squick}} seduce the]] daughter, who the judge [[WifeHusbandry has adopted as his own]].



-->[[spoiler:'''Mrs. Lovett:''' No. No, not lied at all- no, I never lied! Said she took the poison- she did- never said that she died-]]

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-->[[spoiler:'''Mrs. Lovett:''' No. No, not lied at all- all-- no, I never lied! Said she took the poison- poison-- she did- did-- never said that she died-]]



* FunnyForeigner: Subverted--Signore Pirelli's exaggerated Italian accent and mannerisms are {{fa|uxreigner}}ked; the character is really an Irishman named Daniel/Davey. This can turn into a DoubleSubversion, depending on how strong the Irish accent and mannerisms are presented (see the 1982 videotaped stage performance for an example).

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* FunnyForeigner: Subverted--Signore Subverted Signore Pirelli's exaggerated Italian accent and mannerisms are {{fa|uxreigner}}ked; the character is really an Irishman named Daniel/Davey. This can turn into a DoubleSubversion, depending on how strong the Irish accent and mannerisms are presented (see the 1982 videotaped stage performance for an example).



** Johanna is the only member of her family who goes to an [[BedlamHouse insane asylum]], but she's also the only member of her family who hasn't gone insane. This really depends on how she's played--sometimes she's already insane, and sometimes she only goes insane after she's put in the insane asylum. The lyrics in "Kiss Me" imply that she is at least very unstable. "It was a gate, it's the gate... - We don't have a gate!"

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** Johanna is the only member of her family who goes to an [[BedlamHouse insane asylum]], but she's also the only member of her family who hasn't gone insane. This really depends on how she's played--sometimes she's already insane, and sometimes she only goes insane after she's put in the insane asylum. The lyrics in "Kiss Me" imply that she is at least very unstable. "It was a gate, it's the gate... - We --We don't have a gate!"



* LethalChef: Subverted - Mrs. Lovett is this before she starts making pies of human flesh; she says because she couldn't afford fresh meat. She's not alone; she snaps that her rival, Mrs. Moony, uses the neighbors' cats for filling. Afterward, in the wake of financial success, Mrs. Lovett's meat pies are delicious (if now lethal in a rather ''different'' way), implying that she's actually a good cook, she just needs better ingredients.

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* LethalChef: Subverted - Mrs. Lovett is this before she starts making pies of human flesh; she says because she couldn't afford fresh meat. She's not alone; she snaps that her rival, Mrs. Moony, uses the neighbors' cats for filling. Afterward, in the wake of financial success, Mrs. Lovett's meat pies are delicious (if now lethal in a rather ''different'' way), implying that she's actually a good cook, she just needs better ingredients.
23rd Jun '16 12:51:13 PM Ebrbfureh
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* DeathSong: [[spoiler: "Pirelli's Death" for, naturally, Pirelli]], [[spoiler:"The Judge's Return" for Judge Turpin]], [[spoiler:"Final Scene" for Mrs Lovett]], and the reprise of [[spoiler:"A Barber and His Wife" for Sweeney]].

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* DeathSong: [[spoiler: "Pirelli's Death" for, naturally, Pirelli]], [[spoiler:"The Judge's Return" for Judge Turpin]], [[spoiler:"Final Scene" for Mrs Mrs. Lovett]], and the reprise of [[spoiler:"A Barber and His Wife" for Sweeney]].



* EvidenceDungeon: Sweeney Todd has a variation of this with the meat room of Mrs. Lovett's pie shop. Sweeney Todd starts murdering Sweeney's customers and baking them into pies. The smell of the human flesh burning is pumped into the air and just by the nature of butchery, loads of visera must be left around.
* EvilIsPetty: Mrs Lovett. Quite apart from the horrible things she and Sweeney do, which aren't petty at all, she spends a surprisingly large amount of time making spiteful jabs at people. During ''God That's Good!'' she gloats that she's put her rival Mrs Mooney out of business. Earlier she'd scoffed at her over the suspicion that she was using cat meat. Considering what Mrs. Lovett is now including in ''her'' pies...

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* EvidenceDungeon: Sweeney Todd has a variation of this with the meat room of Mrs. Lovett's pie shop. Sweeney Todd starts murdering Sweeney's customers and baking them into pies. The smell of the human flesh burning is pumped into the air and just by the nature of butchery, loads of visera viscera must be left around.
* EvilIsPetty: Mrs Mrs. Lovett. Quite apart from the horrible things she and Sweeney do, which aren't petty at all, she spends a surprisingly large amount of time making spiteful jabs at people. During ''God That's Good!'' she gloats that she's put her rival Mrs Mrs. Mooney out of business. Earlier she'd scoffed at her over the suspicion that she was using cat meat. Considering what Mrs. Lovett is now including in ''her'' pies...



* IWantSong: Mrs Lovett's "By The Sea" song, all about the future she's hoping for.

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* IWantSong: Mrs Mrs. Lovett's "By The Sea" song, all about the future she's hoping for.



* KarmicDeath: [[spoiler:Sweeney Todd delivers one to Judge Turpin out of vengeance and later suffers another himself by irony.]] Likewise, [[spoiler:Mrs Lovett is baked to death inside her own oven.]]
* KickTheDog: Judge Turpin and the Beadle are dog kicking machines. Senseless acts of evil include:

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* KarmicDeath: [[spoiler:Sweeney Todd delivers one to Judge Turpin out of vengeance and later suffers another himself by irony.]] Likewise, [[spoiler:Mrs [[spoiler:Mrs. Lovett is baked to death inside her own oven.]]
* KickTheDog: Judge Turpin and the Beadle are dog kicking dog-kicking machines. Senseless acts of evil include:



** If Mrs Lovett is played as having waited specifically for Todd to return a single man, then this certainly applies.

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** If Mrs Mrs. Lovett is played as having waited specifically for Todd to return a single man, then this certainly applies.
23rd Jun '16 12:48:49 PM Ebrbfureh
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* ChewingTheScenery: Sweeney can be played this way- George Hearn being a good example.

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* ChewingTheScenery: Sweeney can be played this way- George way--George Hearn being a good example.



-->'''Todd:''' In all of the whole human race, Mrs. Lovett, there are two kinds of men and only two/ There's the one staying put in his proper place / And the one with his foot in the other one's face!/ Look at me, Mrs. Lovett -- look at you!

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-->'''Todd:''' In all of the whole human race, Mrs. Lovett, there are two kinds of men and only two/ There's the one staying put in his proper place / And the one with his foot in the other one's face!/ Look at me, Mrs. Lovett -- look Lovett--look at you!



** Played straighter in the film, in which neither Anthony nor Johanna shoots the asylum keeper -- [[spoiler:they leave him to be torn apart by the abused inmates]].

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** Played straighter in the film, in which neither Anthony nor Johanna shoots the asylum keeper -- [[spoiler:they keeper--[[spoiler:they leave him to be torn apart by the abused inmates]].



* FunnyForeigner: Subverted -- Signore Pirelli's exaggerated Italian accent and mannerisms are {{fa|uxreigner}}ked; the character is really an Irishman named Daniel/Davey. This can turn into a DoubleSubversion, depending on how strong the Irish accent and mannerisms are presented (see the 1982 videotaped stage performance for an example).

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* FunnyForeigner: Subverted -- Signore Subverted--Signore Pirelli's exaggerated Italian accent and mannerisms are {{fa|uxreigner}}ked; the character is really an Irishman named Daniel/Davey. This can turn into a DoubleSubversion, depending on how strong the Irish accent and mannerisms are presented (see the 1982 videotaped stage performance for an example).



* {{Killed Offs|creen}}tage: [[spoiler:Beadle Bamford]] is unceremoniously murdered out of sight, although the reveal of [[spoiler:his]] body serves a narrative purpose by [[GoMadFromTheRevelation pushing]] [[spoiler:poor Toby]] -- who was already beginning to realize the secret of the meat pies -- over the edge into full-on madness.

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* {{Killed Offs|creen}}tage: [[spoiler:Beadle Bamford]] is unceremoniously murdered out of sight, although the reveal of [[spoiler:his]] body serves a narrative purpose by [[GoMadFromTheRevelation pushing]] [[spoiler:poor Toby]] -- who Toby]]--who was already beginning to realize the secret of the meat pies -- over pies--over the edge into full-on madness.
16th Jun '16 8:58:39 AM Dravencour
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* CycleOfRevenge: Turpin and Bamford were responsible for the imprisonment of Sweeney, so he went on a quest to hunt them down. Then immediately after [[spoiler: he finally achieved his vengeance, Sweeney finds out about Lovett's lies of his wife, whom he killed earlier, so he throws her in the oven, and then he himself was killed by Toby in the end]].

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* CycleOfRevenge: Turpin and Bamford were responsible for the imprisonment of Sweeney, so he went on a quest to hunt them down. Then immediately after [[spoiler: he finally achieved his vengeance, Sweeney finds out about Lovett's lies of about his wife, whom he killed earlier, so he throws her in the oven, and then he himself was is killed by Toby in the end]].end for his own murder of Pirelli]].



** [[spoiler: "Don't I know you, mister?"]]

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** [[spoiler: "Don't [[spoiler:"Don't I know you, mister?"]]



* GildedCage: Well, technically it's damask and dark

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* GildedCage: Well, technically it's damask and darkdark.
4th May '16 10:29:56 AM annieholmes
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* MoodWhiplash: After the terrifying Epiphany in which Sweeney goes off the deep end comes the hilarious HurricaneOfPuns that is A Little Priest.
4th May '16 7:59:35 AM thewhitefairy
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: It's usually a well-known fact that the [[Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet musical]] added stories of revenge, a judge, and Sweeney's daughter to the original story. The latter was originally a novel, itself based on an UrbanLegend...which has its roots in a true story. The latter is quite different from Sweeney's scenario, though, except it involved cannibalism. It happened in Paris, not London, and as soon as [[TheMiddleAges 1387]], in Marmousets street. Also, the baker was male, not female, and named Pierre Miquelon, while his barber neighbor was Barnabé Cabard. Their motivation was apparently simply greed, (no revenge story here) and they were burned at the stake after it was discovered they used students corpses to do pâtés. Ironically, Barnabé is nowadays often described as a [[AdaptationDisplacement "french Sweeney Todd"]], while it's actually the other way round.

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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: It's usually a well-known fact that the [[Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet musical]] added stories of revenge, a judge, and Sweeney's daughter to the original story. The latter was originally a novel, itself based on an UrbanLegend...which has its roots in a true story. The latter is quite different from Sweeney's ''Sweeney'' 's scenario, though, except it involved cannibalism. It happened in Paris, not London, and as soon as [[TheMiddleAges 1387]], in Marmousets street. Also, the baker was male, not female, and named Pierre Miquelon, while his barber neighbor was Barnabé Cabard. Their motivation was apparently simply greed, (no revenge story here) and they were burned at the stake after it was discovered they used students corpses to do pâtés. Ironically, Barnabé is nowadays often described as a [[AdaptationDisplacement "french Sweeney Todd"]], while it's actually the other way round.
26th Apr '16 8:22:19 AM MasoTey
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: It's usually a well-known fact that the [[Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet musical]] added stories of revenge, a judge, and Sweeney's daughter to the original story. The latter was originally a novel, itself based on an UrbanLegend...which have his roots in a true story. The latter is quite different from Sweeney's scenario, though, except it involved cannibalism. It happened in Paris, not London, and as soon as [[TheMiddleAges 1387]], in Marmousets street. Also, the baker was male, not female, and named Pierre Miquelon, while his barber neighbor was Barnabé Cabard. Their motivation was apparently simply greed, (no revenge story here) and they were burned at the stake after it was discovered they used students corpses to do pâtés. Ironically, Barnabé is nowadays often described as a [[AdaptationDisplacement "french Sweeney Todd"]], while it's actually the other way round.

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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: It's usually a well-known fact that the [[Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet musical]] added stories of revenge, a judge, and Sweeney's daughter to the original story. The latter was originally a novel, itself based on an UrbanLegend...which have his has its roots in a true story. The latter is quite different from Sweeney's scenario, though, except it involved cannibalism. It happened in Paris, not London, and as soon as [[TheMiddleAges 1387]], in Marmousets street. Also, the baker was male, not female, and named Pierre Miquelon, while his barber neighbor was Barnabé Cabard. Their motivation was apparently simply greed, (no revenge story here) and they were burned at the stake after it was discovered they used students corpses to do pâtés. Ironically, Barnabé is nowadays often described as a [[AdaptationDisplacement "french Sweeney Todd"]], while it's actually the other way round.
26th Apr '16 5:59:27 AM thewhitefairy
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory:It's usually a well-known fact that the[[Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet musical]] added stories of revenge, a judge, and Sweeney's daughter to the original story. The latter was originally a novel, itself based on an UrbanLegend...which have his roots in a true story. The latter is quite different from Sweeney's scenario, though, except it involved cannibalism. It happened in Paris, not London, and as soon as [[TheMiddleAges 1387]], in Marmousets street. Also, the baker was male, not female, and named Pierre Miquelon, while his barber neighbor was Barnabé Cabard. Their motivation was apparently simply greed, (no revenge story here) and they were burned at the stake after it was discovered they used students corpses to do pâtés. Ironically, Barnabé is nowadays often described as a [[AdaptationDisplacement "french Sweeney Todd"]], while it's actually the other way round.

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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory:It's VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: It's usually a well-known fact that the[[Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet the [[Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet musical]] added stories of revenge, a judge, and Sweeney's daughter to the original story. The latter was originally a novel, itself based on an UrbanLegend...which have his roots in a true story. The latter is quite different from Sweeney's scenario, though, except it involved cannibalism. It happened in Paris, not London, and as soon as [[TheMiddleAges 1387]], in Marmousets street. Also, the baker was male, not female, and named Pierre Miquelon, while his barber neighbor was Barnabé Cabard. Their motivation was apparently simply greed, (no revenge story here) and they were burned at the stake after it was discovered they used students corpses to do pâtés. Ironically, Barnabé is nowadays often described as a [[AdaptationDisplacement "french Sweeney Todd"]], while it's actually the other way round.
26th Apr '16 5:57:48 AM thewhitefairy
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Added DiffLines:

* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory:It's usually a well-known fact that the[[Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet musical]] added stories of revenge, a judge, and Sweeney's daughter to the original story. The latter was originally a novel, itself based on an UrbanLegend...which have his roots in a true story. The latter is quite different from Sweeney's scenario, though, except it involved cannibalism. It happened in Paris, not London, and as soon as [[TheMiddleAges 1387]], in Marmousets street. Also, the baker was male, not female, and named Pierre Miquelon, while his barber neighbor was Barnabé Cabard. Their motivation was apparently simply greed, (no revenge story here) and they were burned at the stake after it was discovered they used students corpses to do pâtés. Ironically, Barnabé is nowadays often described as a [[AdaptationDisplacement "french Sweeney Todd"]], while it's actually the other way round.
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