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** Act 2 reverses these roles, with Odysseus being more ruthless and goal oriented at the cost of his crew, whereas Athena challenges her entire pantheon to save Odysseus because of her friendship with his son,Telemacchus.
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* RestoredMyFaithInHumanity: Telemachus's friendship, kindness, and pure heart convinces Athena to rescue Odysseus, even though the two never truly make up.
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* BornLucky: {{Discussed|Trope}} in''Luck Runs Out''. Odysseus brazenly enters challenges such as the Cyclops or Athena, and later Poseidon, Circe, and other gods and monsters, yet remains unscathed. When he wants to enter the wind god's kingdom, Eurylochus is quick to argue that his luck can easily run out and that he cannot simply rely on wit in all circumstances, leading to either his own death or the death of more crewmates.
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* BornLucky: {{Discussed|Trope}} in''Luck in ''Luck Runs Out''. Odysseus brazenly enters challenges such as the Cyclops or Athena, and later Poseidon, Circe, and other gods and monsters, yet remains unscathed. When he wants to enter the wind god's kingdom, Eurylochus is quick to argue that his luck can easily run out and that he cannot simply rely on wit in all circumstances, leading to either his own death or the death of more crewmates.
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* JerkassGods: Poseidon. He slaughters Odysseus's fleet in front of him, to make him feel complete despair before he kills him, even though the majority of those men had nothing to do with Polyphemus's mutilation. He deliberately waits until Odysseus is on the shores of Ithaca before threatening to drown the entire kingdom, if Odysseus doesn't sacrifice himself. "Get in the Water" implies that he isn't even trying to avenge his son, much of worship comes from fear, so if he knowingly lets an attack on his family slide, he weakens his position as a god.
-->I've got a reputation.\\
I've got a name to uphold.\\
So I can't go letting you walk or else the world forgets I'm cold.
-->I've got a reputation.\\
I've got a name to uphold.\\
So I can't go letting you walk or else the world forgets I'm cold.
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* The Ithica Saga
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* The Ithica Ithaca Saga
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EPIC is a musical made by Jorge Rivera-Herrans, as an adaptation of Homer’s Literature/TheOdyssey. Snippets of the songs were first uploaded unto Platform/TikTok, and the full songs are slowly being released on music platforms. There will be 9 sagas, containing 40 songs in total, the first being the Troy Saga, posted on December 25, 2022.
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EPIC is a musical made by Jorge Rivera-Herrans, as an adaptation of Homer’s Literature/TheOdyssey. Snippets of the songs were first uploaded unto Platform/TikTok, and the full songs are slowly being released on music platforms. There will be 9 sagas, containing 40 songs in total, the first being the total.
[[folder:Sagas & Songs]]
!!Act 1
* The TroySaga, posted on December Saga (December 25, 2022.
2022)
** The Horse And The Infant
** Just A Man
** Full Speed Ahead
** Open Arms
** Warrior Of The Mind
* The Cyclops Saga (January 27, 2023)
** Polyphemus
** Survive
** Remember Them
** My Goodbye
* The Ocean Saga (December 25, 2023)
** Storm
** Luck Runs Out
** Keep Your Friends Close
** Ruthlessness
* The Circe Saga (February 14, 2023)
** Puppeteer
** Wouldn’t You Like
** Done For
** There Are Other Ways
* The Underworld Saga
** The Underworld
** No Longer You
** Monster
!!Act 2
* The Thunder Saga
** Unnamed song 21
** Unnamed song 22
** Scylla
** Mutiny
** Thunder Bringer
* The Wisdom Saga
** Legendary
** Little Wolf
** We'd Be Fine
** Love In Paradise
** God Games
* The Vengeance Saga
** Not Sorry For Loving You
** Dangerous
** Charybdis
** Get In The Water
** 600 Strike
* The Ithica Saga
** The Challenge
** Hold Them Down
** King
** I Can't Help But Wonder
** Would You Fall In Love With Me Again
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Sagas & Songs]]
!!Act 1
* The Troy
** The Horse And The Infant
** Just A Man
** Full Speed Ahead
** Open Arms
** Warrior Of The Mind
* The Cyclops Saga (January 27, 2023)
** Polyphemus
** Survive
** Remember Them
** My Goodbye
* The Ocean Saga (December 25, 2023)
** Storm
** Luck Runs Out
** Keep Your Friends Close
** Ruthlessness
* The Circe Saga (February 14, 2023)
** Puppeteer
** Wouldn’t You Like
** Done For
** There Are Other Ways
* The Underworld Saga
** The Underworld
** No Longer You
** Monster
!!Act 2
* The Thunder Saga
** Unnamed song 21
** Unnamed song 22
** Scylla
** Mutiny
** Thunder Bringer
* The Wisdom Saga
** Legendary
** Little Wolf
** We'd Be Fine
** Love In Paradise
** God Games
* The Vengeance Saga
** Not Sorry For Loving You
** Dangerous
** Charybdis
** Get In The Water
** 600 Strike
* The Ithica Saga
** The Challenge
** Hold Them Down
** King
** I Can't Help But Wonder
** Would You Fall In Love With Me Again
[[/folder]]
** Polyphemus's half of ''Survive'' is him repeating back a much darker version of Odysseus's opening lines.
-->''600 lives at stake/600 lives I'll take\\
It's just one life to take/600 lives I'll break.\\
And when we kill him then our journey's over./And when I kill you then my pain is over.\\
No dying on me now./You're dying here and now\\
Defeat is not allowed./Escape is not allowed.\\
We must live through this day so/You won’t live through this day now\\
Fight, fight, fight/Die, die...''
-->''600 lives at stake/600 lives I'll take\\
It's just one life to take/600 lives I'll break.\\
And when we kill him then our journey's over./And when I kill you then my pain is over.\\
No dying on me now./You're dying here and now\\
Defeat is not allowed./Escape is not allowed.\\
We must live through this day so/You won’t live through this day now\\
Fight, fight, fight/Die, die...''
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* OceanOfAdventure: Especially because it based on the TropeCodifier. On his way back home to Ithaca from Troy, Odysseus and his crew face giants, seamonsters, witches, and gods.
* OhCrap: Odysseus and his crew's reaction in ''Ruthlessness'' when they realize that they've incurred the wrath of Poseidon.
* OhCrap: Odysseus and his crew's reaction in ''Ruthlessness'' when they realize that they've incurred the wrath of Poseidon.
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* OceanOfAdventure: Especially because it based on the TropeCodifier. On his way back home to Ithaca from Troy, Odysseus and his crew face giants, seamonsters, sea monsters, witches, and gods.
* OhCrap: Odysseus and his crew suffer a number of these throughout the musical as various dangers reveal themselves.
** In ''Survive'' when Polyphemus reveals he has a club, ruining their plans to whittle him down from a distance and flipping the balance of the song from human heroes slaying a monster to the monster massacring helpless humans.
-->'''Polyphemus:''' '''[[[PreAsskickingOneLiner Enough]]'''.\\
'''Odysseus:''' He's got a club. He's got a club!\\
'''Crewman:''' What are our orders? Captain? Captain!
** Odysseus and his crew's reaction in ''Ruthlessness'' when they realize that they've incurred the wrath of Poseidon.
* OhCrap: Odysseus and his crew suffer a number of these throughout the musical as various dangers reveal themselves.
** In ''Survive'' when Polyphemus reveals he has a club, ruining their plans to whittle him down from a distance and flipping the balance of the song from human heroes slaying a monster to the monster massacring helpless humans.
-->'''Polyphemus:''' '''[[[PreAsskickingOneLiner Enough]]'''.\\
'''Odysseus:''' He's got a club. He's got a club!\\
'''Crewman:''' What are our orders? Captain? Captain!
** Odysseus and his crew's reaction in ''Ruthlessness'' when they realize that they've incurred the wrath of Poseidon.
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* ArmorPiercingResponse: "My Goodbye" is basically Odysseus and Athena exchanging [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech "The Reason You Suck" Speeches]], but the sudden halt to the music after one line from Odysseus implies it really hit Athena hard:
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* ArmorPiercingResponse: "My Goodbye" ''My Goodbye'' is basically Odysseus and Athena exchanging [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech "The Reason You Suck" Speeches]], but the sudden halt to the music after one line from Odysseus implies it really hit Athena hard:
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* BadassBoast: Odysseus delivers one to Polyphemus during Remember Them. Of course, this is not without consequences, as his proud declaration of who he is will cause [[ArchEnemy Poseidon's]] hatred of him.
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* BackhandedApology: During ''Ruthlessness'', Poseidon suggests that he ''may'' be willing to spare Odysseus and his men if he sincerely apologizes for the suffering he inflicted upon his son. Odysseus offers one of these in response, claiming that they were only acting in self-defense and took no pleasure in the act.
* BadassBoast: Odysseus delivers one to Polyphemus duringRemember Them.''Remember Them''. Of course, this is not without consequences, as his proud declaration of who he is will cause [[ArchEnemy Poseidon's]] hatred of him.
* BadassBoast: Odysseus delivers one to Polyphemus during
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* BornLucky: Discussed in “Luck Runs Out.” Odysseus brazenly enters challenges such as the Cyclops or Athena, and later Poseidon, Circe, and other gods and monsters, yet remains unscathed. When he wants to enter the wind god’s kingdom, Eurylochus is quick to argue that his luck can easily run out and that he cannot simply rely on wit in all circumstances, leading to either his own death or the death of more crewmates.
* BorrowedCatchphrase: Odysseus repeats Poseidon’s “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves” in his song "Monster", to show how his ideology becomes closer to the sea god.
* CallBack: The song ''Ruthlessness'' ends with two; First, Odysseus quotes Aeolus as he [[spoiler:opens the bag of winds to drive off Poseidon. Then, Poseidon quotes him from his earlier song, "Remember Them"]]
* BorrowedCatchphrase: Odysseus repeats Poseidon’s “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves” in his song "Monster", to show how his ideology becomes closer to the sea god.
* CallBack: The song ''Ruthlessness'' ends with two; First, Odysseus quotes Aeolus as he [[spoiler:opens the bag of winds to drive off Poseidon. Then, Poseidon quotes him from his earlier song, "Remember Them"]]
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* BornLucky: Discussed in “Luck {{Discussed|Trope}} in''Luck Runs Out.” Out''. Odysseus brazenly enters challenges such as the Cyclops or Athena, and later Poseidon, Circe, and other gods and monsters, yet remains unscathed. When he wants to enter the wind god’s god's kingdom, Eurylochus is quick to argue that his luck can easily run out and that he cannot simply rely on wit in all circumstances, leading to either his own death or the death of more crewmates.
* BorrowedCatchphrase: Odysseus repeatsPoseidon’s “Ruthlessness Poseidon's "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves” ourselves" in his song "Monster", ''Monster'', to show how his ideology becomes closer to the sea god.
* CallBack: The song ''Ruthlessness'' ends with two; First, Odysseus quotes Aeolus as he [[spoiler:opens the bag of winds to drive off Poseidon. Then, Poseidon quotes him from his earlier song, "RememberThem"]]Them"]].
* BorrowedCatchphrase: Odysseus repeats
* CallBack: The song ''Ruthlessness'' ends with two; First, Odysseus quotes Aeolus as he [[spoiler:opens the bag of winds to drive off Poseidon. Then, Poseidon quotes him from his earlier song, "Remember
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* CompositeCharacter: Antinous gets merged with Eurymachus, as he is the only named suitor and serves as the suitor’s leader.
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* CompositeCharacter: Antinous gets merged with Eurymachus, as he is the only named suitor and serves as the suitor’s suitors' leader.
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* CruelMercy: Odysseus, believing that Polyphemus no longer poses any threat after being blinded, refuses to kill the cyclops. This is partly out of distaste for further bloodshed after the Trojan War but also because he wants to force the cyclops to live crippled and burdened with the knowledge of who he was beaten by, which is why he proceeds to taunt Polyphemus with his name. This twisted act of mercy quickly comes back to bite him.
* DiesDifferentlyInAdaptation: It isn’t mentioned when [[spoiler:Polites dies in the original Odyssey, but he originally lived at least long enough to encounter Circe, whereas here he dies because of Polyphemus]].
* DiesDifferentlyInAdaptation: It isn’t mentioned when [[spoiler:Polites dies in the original Odyssey, but he originally lived at least long enough to encounter Circe, whereas here he dies because of Polyphemus]].
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* CruelMercy: Odysseus, believing that Polyphemus no longer poses any threat after being blinded, refuses to kill the cyclops. This is partly out of distaste for further bloodshed after the Trojan War but also because he wants to force the cyclops to live crippled and burdened with the knowledge of who he was beaten by, which is why he proceeds to taunt Polyphemus with his name. This twisted act of mercy quickly comes back to bite him.
him, and is called out as such during ''Ruthlessness''.
* DiesDifferentlyInAdaptation: Itisn’t isn't mentioned when [[spoiler:Polites dies in the original Odyssey, but he originally lived at least long enough to encounter Circe, whereas here he dies because of Polyphemus]].
* DiesDifferentlyInAdaptation: It
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* DivineIntervention: Athena asks Zeus to intervene to help Odysseus, and all of "God Games" is her trying to convince the other Olympians to give their blessings. Hermes also does this twice, in both "Wouldn’t You Like" and "Dangerous".
* DreamTellsYouToWakeUp: Odysseus struggles to keep his crew away from the bag of winds in ''Keep Your Friends Close'', staying awake for 9 days straight. He slowly drifts off to sleep, hearing Penelope and Telemachus’ voices telling him to keep his eyes open, lamenting how he can spend time with them soon. It isn’t until Penelope yells at Odysseus to wake up that they succeed, yet it is too late as the bag has been opened, and he is once again away from Ithaca.
* DreamTellsYouToWakeUp: Odysseus struggles to keep his crew away from the bag of winds in ''Keep Your Friends Close'', staying awake for 9 days straight. He slowly drifts off to sleep, hearing Penelope and Telemachus’ voices telling him to keep his eyes open, lamenting how he can spend time with them soon. It isn’t until Penelope yells at Odysseus to wake up that they succeed, yet it is too late as the bag has been opened, and he is once again away from Ithaca.
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* DivineIntervention: Athena asks Zeus to intervene to help Odysseus, and all of "God Games" ''God Games'' is her trying to convince the other Olympians to give their blessings. Hermes also does this twice, in both "Wouldn’t ''Wouldn't You Like" Like'' and "Dangerous".
''Dangerous''.
* DreamTellsYouToWakeUp: Odysseus struggles to keep his crew away from the bag of winds in ''Keep Your Friends Close'', staying awake for 9 days straight. He slowly drifts off to sleep, hearing Penelope andTelemachus’ Telemachus' voices telling him to keep his eyes open, lamenting how he can spend time with them soon. It isn’t isn't until Penelope yells at Odysseus to wake up that they succeed, yet it is too late as the bag has been opened, and he is once again away from Ithaca.
* DreamTellsYouToWakeUp: Odysseus struggles to keep his crew away from the bag of winds in ''Keep Your Friends Close'', staying awake for 9 days straight. He slowly drifts off to sleep, hearing Penelope and
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* DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal: As always, Zeus. He brags about this by using it as a metaphor in his solo, Thunder Bringer.
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* DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal: As always, Zeus. He brags about this by using it as a metaphor in his solo, Thunder Bringer.''Thunder Bringer''.
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In the end, it’s all the same once I apply all the pressure''
* DwindlingParty: Odysseus’ crew starts losing people in the song "Survive", and later songs show that more and more of the crew will die.
* DwindlingParty: Odysseus’ crew starts losing people in the song "Survive", and later songs show that more and more of the crew will die.
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In the end, it’s it's all the same once I apply all the pressure''
* DwindlingParty: Odysseus’ crew starts losing people in the song"Survive", ''Survive'', and later songs show that more and more of the crew will die.
* DwindlingParty: Odysseus’ crew starts losing people in the song
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* EmotionsVersusStoicism: What Odysseus and Athena argue over, and what ultimately drives them to go their separate ways: Athena wants her ideal "Warrior of the Mind" to be completely logical, and even ruthless when necessary. Odysseus, however, is ultimately driven by his emotions, be that his desire to see his family again, or his care for his men, and frequently acts on those emotions.
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* EmotionsVersusStoicism: What Odysseus and Athena argue over, and what ultimately drives them to go their separate ways: Athena wants her ideal "Warrior ''Warrior of the Mind" Mind''" to be completely logical, and even ruthless when necessary. Odysseus, however, is ultimately driven by his emotions, be that his desire to see his family again, or his care for his men, and frequently acts on those emotions.
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* ExactWords: In "The Horse And The Infant" Zeus sends Odysseus to kill "a foe who won't run, unlike anyone you've faced before." Odysseus has no hesitation to fight whatever epic warrior of Troy this is... only to find Prince Hector's infant son.
* FightingYourGod: Odysseus frequently disagrees and even argues with the gods, notably his own patron goddess Athena to the point of insulting her, and both Zeus and Poseidon '''twice '''.
* FightingYourGod: Odysseus frequently disagrees and even argues with the gods, notably his own patron goddess Athena to the point of insulting her, and both Zeus and Poseidon '''twice '''.
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* ExactWords: In "The ''The Horse And The Infant" Infant'', Zeus sends Odysseus to kill "a foe who won't run, unlike anyone you've faced before." Odysseus has no hesitation to fight whatever epic warrior of Troy this is... only to find Prince Hector's infant son.
* FightingYourGod: Odysseus frequently disagrees and even argues with the gods, notably his own patron goddess Athena to the point of insulting her, and both Zeus and Poseidon'''twice '''.'''twice'''.
* FightingYourGod: Odysseus frequently disagrees and even argues with the gods, notably his own patron goddess Athena to the point of insulting her, and both Zeus and Poseidon
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* GuileHero: Odysseus, as always, solves his problems through clever tactics rather than brute force. The song "Warrior of the Mind" is all about this from Athena's perspective.
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* GuileHero: Odysseus, as always, solves his problems through clever tactics rather than brute force. The song "Warrior ''Warrior of the Mind" Mind'' is all about this from Athena's perspective.
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* ImpliedRape: Antinous and the suitors are implied to be planning this for Penelope in the song "Hold Them Down". It's only alluded to without actually saying the word, instead using squicky euphemisms.
* IntelligenceEqualsIsolation: Odysseus calls out the god of wisdom Athena for being alone in My Goodbye, and Athena herself shows this by believing her path to be better than Odysseus, and as such choosing to leave him behind and be by herself.
* IntelligenceEqualsIsolation: Odysseus calls out the god of wisdom Athena for being alone in My Goodbye, and Athena herself shows this by believing her path to be better than Odysseus, and as such choosing to leave him behind and be by herself.
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* ImpliedRape: Antinous and the suitors are implied to be planning this for Penelope in the song "Hold ''Hold Them Down".Down''. It's only alluded to without actually saying the word, instead using squicky euphemisms.
* IntelligenceEqualsIsolation: Odysseus calls out the god of wisdom Athena for being alone inMy Goodbye, ''My Goodbye'', and Athena herself shows this by believing her path to be better than Odysseus, and as such choosing to leave him behind and be by herself.
* IntelligenceEqualsIsolation: Odysseus calls out the god of wisdom Athena for being alone in
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* InvisibleBackupBand: Aside from being a musical, all the Olympians have backup vocals, mainly seen in "God Games" where the gods are introduced with their names being sung. [[spoiler:Odysseus gets it himself while he's hunting down the suitors]].
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* InvisibleBackupBand: Aside from being a musical, all the Olympians have backup vocals, mainly seen in "God Games" ''God Games'' where the gods are introduced with their names being sung. [[spoiler:Odysseus gets it himself while he's hunting down the suitors]].
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** The line “Just A Man” from the song of the same name gets repeated back to Odysseus by Athena during "My Goodbye" to insult him.
** Poseidon repeats a few of Odysseus’ words against him, specifically those used against Polyphemus such as “I am your darkest moment.” and “Remember me.” [[spoiler:after killing all but 43 men of his fleet]].
** Poseidon repeats a few of Odysseus’ words against him, specifically those used against Polyphemus such as “I am your darkest moment.” and “Remember me.” [[spoiler:after killing all but 43 men of his fleet]].
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** The line “Just "Just A Man” Man" from the song of the same name gets repeated back to Odysseus by Athena during "My Goodbye" ''My Goodbye'' to insult him.
** Poseidon repeats a few ofOdysseus’ Odysseus' words against him, specifically those used against Polyphemus such as “I "I am your darkest moment.” " and “Remember "Remember me.” " [[spoiler:after killing all but 43 men of his fleet]].
** Poseidon repeats a few of
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* KnightKnaveAndSquire: The named members of Odysseus’ crew form this. Odysseus is the knight, the most experienced one and fights to go back home, Eurylochus being the Knave, arguing with Odysseus in "Luck Runs Out" and "Puppeteer" to leave other men to save themselves, and Polites being the Squire, with the most optimistic outlook but also the least experience with no scenes of him specifically fighting anyone.
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* KnightKnaveAndSquire: The named members of Odysseus’ Odysseus' crew form this. Odysseus is the knight, the most experienced one and fights to go back home, Eurylochus being the Knave, arguing with Odysseus in "Luck ''Luck Runs Out" Out'' and "Puppeteer" ''Puppeteer'' to leave other men to save themselves, and Polites being the Squire, with the most optimistic outlook but also the least experience with no scenes of him specifically fighting anyone.
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* {{Leitmotif}}: Athena has one played on piano plays whenever she appears to Odysseus, notably in "Warrior of the Mind", "Remember Them", and "My Goodbye".
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* {{Leitmotif}}: Athena has one played on piano plays whenever she appears to Odysseus, notably in "Warrior ''Warrior of the Mind", "Remember Them", Mind'', ''Remember Them'', and "My Goodbye".''My Goodbye''.
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* LotusEaterMachine: Odysseus and Polites encounter the Lotus Eaters during the song "Open Arms", with them both nearly falling victim to it.
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* LotusEaterMachine: Odysseus and Polites encounter the Lotus Eaters during the song "Open Arms", ''Open Arms'', with them both nearly falling victim to it.
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* OhCrap: Odysseus and his crew's reaction in "Ruthlessness" when they realize that they've incurred the wrath of Poseidon.
--> '''Poseidon:''' That's right - the cyclops you made blind is ''mine''.
--> '''Odysseus:''' [[LittleNo No.]]
--> '''Poseidon:''' That's right - the cyclops you made blind is ''mine''.
--> '''Odysseus:''' [[LittleNo No.]]
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* OhCrap: Odysseus and his crew's reaction in "Ruthlessness" ''Ruthlessness'' when they realize that they've incurred the wrath of Poseidon.
--> '''Poseidon:''' -->'''Poseidon:''' That's right - the cyclops you made blind is ''mine''.
-->''mine''.\\
'''Odysseus:''' [[LittleNo No.]]
-->
'''Odysseus:''' [[LittleNo No.]]
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* PreMortemCatchphrase: [[spoiler:Polites both gets introduced and dies saying “Captain.”]]
** [[spoiler:The same screaming of “Captain” for all but 43 of Odysseus’ men after Poseidon’s wrath in Ruthlessness.]]
** [[spoiler:The same screaming of “Captain” for all but 43 of Odysseus’ men after Poseidon’s wrath in Ruthlessness.]]
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* PreMortemCatchphrase: [[spoiler:Polites both gets introduced and dies saying “Captain.”]]
"Captain."]]
** [[spoiler:The same screaming of“Captain” "Captain" for all but 43 of Odysseus’ Odysseus' men after Poseidon’s Poseidon's wrath in Ruthlessness.''Ruthlessness''.]]
** [[spoiler:The same screaming of
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* PunctuatedForEmphasis: Used frequently during fight scenes from the ensemble, such as Polyphemus’ name in "Survive", Eurylochus’ name in "Mutiny", Telemachus in “Royal Wisdom Burst” and Odysseus’ name twice in "Mutiny" and "King".
* QuarrelingSong: "My Goodbye" features Athena and Odysseus arguing over their differences and going their separate ways.
* QuarrelingSong: "My Goodbye" features Athena and Odysseus arguing over their differences and going their separate ways.
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* PunctuatedForEmphasis: Used frequently during fight scenes from the ensemble, such as Polyphemus’ Polyphemus' name in "Survive", Eurylochus’ ''Survive'', Eurylochus' name in "Mutiny", ''Mutiny'', Telemachus in “Royal ''Royal Wisdom Burst” Burst'' and Odysseus’ Odysseus' name twice in "Mutiny" ''Mutiny'' and "King".
''King''.
* QuarrelingSong:"My Goodbye" ''My Goodbye'' features Athena and Odysseus arguing over their differences and going their separate ways.
* QuarrelingSong:
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* SacrificialLamb: [[spoiler:Polites is established early on as a friend of Odysseus, yet is the very first to die in the crew, marking the start of the DwindlingParty]]
-->Everything’s changed since [[spoiler:Polites]]!
-->Everything’s changed since [[spoiler:Polites]]!
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* SacrificialLamb: [[spoiler:Polites is established early on as a friend of Odysseus, yet is the very first to die in the crew, marking the start of the DwindlingParty]]
-->Everything’sDwindlingParty.]]
-->Everything's changed since [[spoiler:Polites]]!
-->Everything’s
-->Everything's changed since [[spoiler:Polites]]!
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* StartOfDarkness: Despite his initial refusal, killing Hector’s child in "Just a Man", as well as [[spoiler:the death of his most of his crew]] proves to be the catalyst for Odysseus’ slow acceptance of violence and [[VillainHasAPoint ruthlessness]].
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* StartOfDarkness: Despite his initial refusal, killing Hector’s child in "Just ''Just a Man", Man'', as well as [[spoiler:the death of his most of his crew]] proves to be the catalyst for Odysseus’ Odysseus' slow acceptance of violence and [[VillainHasAPoint ruthlessness]].
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* StrongFamilyResemblance: Ares' attitude in the song "God Games", that Odysseus is too soft and should be more brutal, is notably very similar to his sister Athena's view on her chosen hero in "My Goodbye".
* SunkenCity: Poseidon threatens to drown all of Ithaca in "Get In The Water".
* SunkenCity: Poseidon threatens to drown all of Ithaca in "Get In The Water".
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* StrongFamilyResemblance: Ares' attitude in the song "God Games", ''God Games'', that Odysseus is too soft and should be more brutal, is notably very similar to his sister Athena's view on her chosen hero in "My Goodbye".
''My Goodbye''.
* SunkenCity: Poseidon threatens to drown all of Ithaca in"Get ''Get In The Water".Water''.
* SunkenCity: Poseidon threatens to drown all of Ithaca in
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* TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth: [[spoiler:Polites]] is introduced as the nicest character in the show, advocating for peace while the crew make their way home. [[spoiler:He then becomes the first of the crew to die in Survive]]
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* TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth: [[spoiler:Polites]] is introduced as the nicest character in the show, advocating for peace while the crew make their way home. [[spoiler:He then becomes the first of the crew to die in Survive]]''Survive''.]]
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* TriumphantReprise: The final motes of the show is the same as the first notes of "Just a Man", in a more peaceful context.
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* TriumphantReprise: The final motes of the show is the same as the first notes of "Just ''Just a Man", Man'', in a more peaceful context.
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* VillainSong: Arguably for Poseidon's BigBad status, "Ruthlessness" is the sea god criticizing Odysseus' attempts to be passive and empathetic on his voyage home. Calling him self-righteous and actually argues he could avoided all this trouble if he'd just killed his son–which he would've preferred–and lectures him on [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished mercy having a price]].
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* VillainSong: Arguably for Poseidon's BigBad status, "Ruthlessness" ''Ruthlessness'' is the sea god criticizing Odysseus' attempts to be passive and empathetic on his voyage home. Calling him self-righteous and actually argues he could avoided all this trouble if he'd just killed his son–which he would've preferred–and lectures him on [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished mercy having a price]].
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* WouldHurtAChild: Played for Drama, Zeus tells Odysseus that the infant child of Hector will soon grow to avenge and kill Odysseus and his family. While initially hesitant, he mournfully kills the child to protect his family.
* YouKilledMyFather: Supposedly how the son of Hector would act if allowed to live.
* YouKilledMyFather: Supposedly how the son of Hector would act if allowed to live.
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* WouldHurtAChild: Played for Drama, PlayedForDrama, Zeus tells Odysseus that the infant child of Hector will soon grow to avenge and kill Odysseus and his family. While initially hesitant, he mournfully kills the child to protect his family.
* YouKilledMyFather: Supposedly how the son of Hector would act if allowed tolive.live.
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* TimeMaster: Athena can slow or stop time when she wants to as a show of her divine power. It generally works, though her brother Ares is unimpressed, and dismisses it as "old tricks".
* TheTitleSaga: The musical has been released on streaming services in installments called "Sagas".
* TheTitleSaga: The musical has been released on streaming services in installments called "Sagas".
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* TimeMaster: Athena can slow or stop time when she wants to as a show of her divine power. It generally works, though her brother Ares is unimpressed, and dismisses it as "old tricks".
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* OhCrap: Odysseus and his crew's reaction in "Ruthlessness" when they realize that they've incurred the wrath of Poseidon.
--> '''Poseidon:''' That's right - the cyclops you made blind is ''mine''.
--> '''Odysseus:''' [[LittleNo No.]]
--> '''Poseidon:''' That's right - the cyclops you made blind is ''mine''.
--> '''Odysseus:''' [[LittleNo No.]]
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''Poseidon:''' ''Remember me...''
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* ChekhovsGun: The bag containing the winds of the storm given to Odysseus by Aeolus most notably comes back later in the same song, as his crew ignores his warnings and opens it, letting them out. However, he and Eurylochus manage to close it and save some of the winds, which come back later in ''Ruthlesness'' when [[spoiler:Odysseus opens it right in Poseidon's face, blasting him to kingdom come]].
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* ChekhovsGun: The bag containing the winds of the storm given to Odysseus by Aeolus most notably comes back later in the same song, as his crew ignores his warnings and opens it, letting them out. However, he and Eurylochus manage to close it and save some of the winds, which come back later in ''Ruthlesness'' ''Ruthlessness'' when [[spoiler:Odysseus opens it right in Poseidon's face, blasting him to kingdom come]].
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* DreamTellsYouToWakeUp: Odysseus struggles to keep his crew away from the bag of winds in “Keep Your Friends Close,” staying awake for 9 days straight. He slowly drifts off to sleep, hearing Penelope and Telemachus’ voices telling him to keep his eyes open, lamenting how he can spend time with them soon. It isn’t until Penelope yells at Odysseus to wake up that they succeed, yet it is too late as the bag has been opened, and he is once again away from Ithaca.
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* DreamTellsYouToWakeUp: Odysseus struggles to keep his crew away from the bag of winds in “Keep ''Keep Your Friends Close,” Close'', staying awake for 9 days straight. He slowly drifts off to sleep, hearing Penelope and Telemachus’ voices telling him to keep his eyes open, lamenting how he can spend time with them soon. It isn’t until Penelope yells at Odysseus to wake up that they succeed, yet it is too late as the bag has been opened, and he is once again away from Ithaca.
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* PreMortemCatchphrase: [[spoiler:Polites is both introduced and dies saying “Captain.”]]
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* PreMortemCatchphrase: [[spoiler:Polites is both gets introduced and dies saying “Captain.”]]
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** Technically, '''post'''-mortem catchphrase, as this gets repeated in ''The Underworld''.
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** Technically, this becomes a '''post'''-mortem catchphrase, as this it gets repeated in ''The Underworld''.
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** Technically, '''post'''-mortem catchphrase, as this gets repeated in ''The Underworld''.
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* BigNo: Odysseus after he wakes up and realizes his men are opening the bag of wind. For very good reason...
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* StartOfDarkness: Despite his initial refusal, killing Hector’s child in "Just a Man", as well as [[spoiler:the death of his most of his crew]] proves to be the catalyst for Odysseus’ slow acceptance of violence and [[VillainHasAPoint ruthlessness]].
-->And if I gotta drop another infant from a wall\\
In an instant so we all don't die\\
Then I'll become the monster
-->And if I gotta drop another infant from a wall\\
In an instant so we all don't die\\
Then I'll become the monster
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* BaitTheDog: Poseidon tells Odysseus that he will spare him and his men if he apologized for maiming Polyphemus. Immediately after Odysseus does so, the ocean god mocks him for being naive and murders all but a handful of his men.
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* BaitTheDog: Poseidon tells Odysseus that he will spare him and his men if he apologized apologizes for maiming Polyphemus. Immediately after Odysseus does so, the ocean god mocks him for being naive and murders all but a handful of his men.
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* CallBack: The song ''Ruthlessness'' ends with two; First, Odysseus quotes Aeolus as he [[spoiler:opens the bag of winds to drive off Poseidon. Then, he quotes himself in his earlier song, "Remember Them"]]
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* CallBack: The song ''Ruthlessness'' ends with two; First, Odysseus quotes Aeolus as he [[spoiler:opens the bag of winds to drive off Poseidon. Then, he Poseidon quotes himself in him from his earlier song, "Remember Them"]]
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* BaitTheDog: Poseidon tells Odysseus that he will spare him and his men if he apologized for maiming Polyphemus. Immediately after Odysseus does so, the ocean god mocks him for being naive and murders all but a handful of his men.
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* BornLucky: Discussed in “Luck Runs Out.” Odysseus brazenly enters challenges such as the Cyclops or Athena, and later Poseidon, Circe, and other gods and monsters, yet remains unscathed. When he wants to enter the wind god’s kingdom, Eurylochus is quick to argue that his luck can easily run out and that he cannot simply rely on wit in all circumstances, leading to either his own death or the death of more crewmates.
* DreamTellsYouToWakeUp: Odysseus struggles to keep his crew away from the bag of winds in “Keep Your Friends Close,” staying awake for 9 days straight. He slowly drifts off to sleep, hearing Penelope and Telemachus’ voices telling him to keep his eyes open, lamenting how he can spend time with them soon. It isn’t until Penelope yells at Odysseus to wake up that they succeed, yet it is too late as the bag has been opened, and he is once again away from Ithaca.
-->Wake up!\\
Wake up, Odysseus, they're opening the bag\\
Wake up!
-->Wake up!\\
Wake up, Odysseus, they're opening the bag\\
Wake up!
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* SacrificialLamb: [[spoiler:Polites is established early on as a friend of Odysseus, yet is the very first to die in the crew]]
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* SacrificialLamb: [[spoiler:Polites is established early on as a friend of Odysseus, yet is the very first to die in the crew]]crew, marking the start of the DwindlingParty]]
-->Everything’s changed since [[spoiler:Polites]]!
-->Everything’s changed since [[spoiler:Polites]]!
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-->'''Odysseus:''' ''All I gotta do is just open this bag!"\\
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* CallBack: The song ''Ruthlessness'' ends with two; First, Odysseus quotes Aeolus as he [[spoiler:opens the bag of winds to drive off Poseidon. Then, he quotes himself in his earlier song, "Remember Them"]]
-->'''Odysseus:''' ''All I gotta do is just open this bag!"\\
'''Odysseus:''' ''Remember me...''
-->'''Odysseus:''' ''All I gotta do is just open this bag!"\\
'''Odysseus:''' ''Remember me...''
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* InvisibleBackupBand: Aside from being a musical, all the Olympians have backup vocals, mainly seen in "God Games" where the gods are introduced with their names being sung.
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* InvisibleBackupBand: Aside from being a musical, all the Olympians have backup vocals, mainly seen in "God Games" where the gods are introduced with their names being sung. [[spoiler:Odysseus gets it himself while he's hunting down the suitors]].
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* PreAsskickingOneLiner: Just as Poseidon has him and his crew at his mercy, Odysseus sings [[spoiler:"All I gotta do is just open this bag," before blasting him with the remaining winds of the storm]].
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**[[spoiler:The same screaming of “Captain” for all but 43 of Odysseus’ men after Poseidon’s wrath in Ruthlessness.]]
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EPIC is a musical made by Jorge Rivera-Herrans, as an adaptation of Homer’s Literature/TheOdyssey. Snippets of the songs were first uploaded unto Website/TikTok, and the full songs are slowly being released on music platforms. There will be 9 sagas, containing 40 songs in total, the first being the Troy Saga, posted on December 25, 2022.
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EPIC is a musical made by Jorge Rivera-Herrans, as an adaptation of Homer’s Literature/TheOdyssey. Snippets of the songs were first uploaded unto Website/TikTok, Platform/TikTok, and the full songs are slowly being released on music platforms. There will be 9 sagas, containing 40 songs in total, the first being the Troy Saga, posted on December 25, 2022.
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* EvilCounterpart: Ares acts as one to Athena, even having his own version of her Quickthought power. Fitting,as they are the Gods of War, with Ares' domain being the [[RapePillageAndBurn brutality]] of war.
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* EvilCounterpart: Ares acts as one to Athena, even having his own version of her Quickthought power. Fitting,as Fitting, as they are the Gods of War, with Ares' domain being the [[RapePillageAndBurn brutality]] of war.
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* EvilCounterpart: Ares acts as one to Athena, even having his own version of her Quickthought power. Fitting,as they are the Gods of War, with Ares' domain being the [[RapePillageBurn brutality]] of war.
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* EvilCounterpart: Ares acts as one to Athena, even having his own version of her Quickthought power. Fitting,as they are the Gods of War, with Ares' domain being the [[RapePillageBurn [[RapePillageAndBurn brutality]] of war.
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* EvilCounterpart: Ares acts as one to Athena, even having his own version of her Quickthought power. Fitting,as they are the Gods of War, with Ares' domain being the [RapePillageMurder brutality]] of war.
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* EvilCounterpart: Ares acts as one to Athena, even having his own version of her Quickthought power. Fitting,as they are the Gods of War, with Ares' domain being the [RapePillageMurder [[RapePillageBurn brutality]] of war.
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Seeing as Calypso raped Odysseus, this really is not the right trope.
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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: According to the preview of the song "God Games", Odysseus never cheated on his wife, unlike the common attestation that he did sleep with Calisto.
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* VillainSong: Arguably for Poseidon's BigBad status, "Ruthlessness" is the sea god criticizing Odysseus' attempts to be passive and empathetic on his voyage home. Calling him self-righteous and actually argues he could avoided all this trouble if he'd just killed his son–which he would've preferred–and lectures him on [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished mercy having a price]].
-->''Ruthlessness is mercy on ourselves!''
-->''Ruthlessness is mercy on ourselves!''
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* WhamLine: When the suitors are under attack by an unkown assailant in the dark, they plan to make use of their knowledge of the palace to even the playing field, right before the assailant appears and lets them know just who they're dealing with.
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* WhamLine: When the suitors are under attack by an unkown unknown assailant in the dark, they plan to make use of their knowledge of the palace to even the playing field, right before the assailant appears and lets them know just who they're dealing with.
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Aint Too Proud To Beg is trope about begging for mercy, either to stall for time or because the one begging it is genuinely broken. Athena isn't a case of this just for asking for Aphrodite to reconsider her position, as that can segue into any number of things from rational arguments to trying to manipulate Aphrodite by playing on her emotions.
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** ''Athena'' of all people has a small moment during "God Games" where she stops time and simply pleads to Aphrodite to reconsider her position instead of further debating after Aphrodite brings up that Odysseus was "busy spiting the Cyclops" instead of just being "busy fighting" like Athena said he was when his mother died of grief for him. Subverted once Ares arrives and spits his verse, in which Athena's back to using her wits to convince the both of them into giving their blessings.
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** ''Athena'' of all people has a small moment during "God Games", where at one point she pleads with Aphrodite to reconsider her position as opposed to further debating after Aphrodite brings up that Odysseus was "busy spiting the Cyclops" instead of just being "busy fighting" like Athena said he was. Subverted once Ares arrives and spits his verse, in which Athena's back to using her wits to convince the both of them into giving their blessings.
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** ''Athena'' of all people has a small moment during "God Games", Games" where at one point she stops time and simply pleads with to Aphrodite to reconsider her position as opposed to instead of further debating after Aphrodite brings up that Odysseus was "busy spiting the Cyclops" instead of just being "busy fighting" like Athena said he was.was when his mother died of grief for him. Subverted once Ares arrives and spits his verse, in which Athena's back to using her wits to convince the both of them into giving their blessings.