History TheScrappy / VideoGames

4th May '16 10:50:31 PM Kid
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For characters that have a decent personality but are hated for being too weak or too strong in the game, see TierInducedScrappy. For hated enemies see GoddamnedBats or DemonicSpiders. For hated bosses see ThatOneBoss or GoddamnedBoss. For hated aspects of gameplay, see ScrappyMechanic


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For characters that have a decent personality but are hated for being too weak or too strong in the game, see TierInducedScrappy. For hated enemies see GoddamnedBats or DemonicSpiders. For hated bosses see ThatOneBoss or GoddamnedBoss. For hated aspects of gameplay, see ScrappyMechanic

ScrappyMechanic.

27th Apr '16 8:35:34 AM 20person
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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' gives us Marcy Long, a foul-tempered JerkAss who often goes out of her way to bitch at the player [[WelcometoCorneria with the same four lines of dialogue over and over again]]. Her husband Jun claims it's her way of mourning their son's death, but a terminal in Quincy implies otherwise. What players especially find irritating is that when they finally snap and unload a shotgun into her face, both she and her husband are marked as essential despite contributing absolutely nothing to the story (unlike Sturges and Mama Murphy, who are also essential for the most part but actually have some use).
** Preston Garvey also gets some hate for the constant stream of [[FetchQuest Fetch Quests]] involving helping out settlements (frequently located on the other side of the map). To make it worse, he gives out a new quest as soon as soon as you turn an old one in. In addition, his lines are somewhat [[{{Narm}} Narmy]] after you romance him.
*** Mitigated in a patch. Now most of the fetch quests that Garvey gave out are now given out by listening to Radio Freedom, and Garvey himself gives out quests far less frequently
** Once the ''Wasteland Workshop'' DLC came out (allowing, among other things, the ability to create arenas where settlers can fight wasteland creatures or each other), many players have assigned Marcy to an arena to fight [[LightningBruiser Deathclaws]] unarmed, and [[TakeThatScrappy watching her die over and over again]] due to her essential status.

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* ** ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' gives us Marcy Long, a foul-tempered JerkAss who often goes out of her way to bitch at the player [[WelcometoCorneria with the same four lines of dialogue over and over again]]. Her husband Jun claims it's her way of mourning their son's death, but a terminal in Quincy implies otherwise. What players especially find irritating is that when they finally snap and unload a shotgun into her face, both she and her husband are marked as essential despite contributing absolutely nothing to the story (unlike Sturges and Mama Murphy, who are also essential for the most part but actually have some use).
** *** Preston Garvey also gets some hate for the constant stream of [[FetchQuest Fetch Quests]] involving helping out settlements (frequently located on the other side of the map). To make it worse, he gives out a new quest as soon as soon as you turn an old one in. In addition, his lines are somewhat [[{{Narm}} Narmy]] after you romance him.
*** **** Mitigated in a patch. Now most of the fetch quests that Garvey gave out are now given out by listening to Radio Freedom, and Garvey himself gives out quests far less frequently
** *** Once the ''Wasteland Workshop'' DLC came out (allowing, among other things, the ability to create arenas where settlers can fight wasteland creatures or each other), many players have assigned Marcy to an arena to fight [[LightningBruiser Deathclaws]] unarmed, and [[TakeThatScrappy watching her die over and over again]] due to her essential status.
27th Apr '16 8:34:58 AM 20person
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** Fallout 4 gives us Marcy Long, a foul-tempered JerkAss who often goes out of her way to bitch at the player [[WelcometoCorneria with the same four lines of dialogue over and over again]]. Her husband Jun claims it's her way of mourning their son's death, but a terminal in Quincy implies otherwise. What players especially find irritating is that when they finally snap and unload a shotgun into her face, both she and her husband are marked as essential despite contributing absolutely nothing to the story (unlike Sturges and Mama Murphy, who are also essential for the most part but actually have some use).

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** Fallout 4 * ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' gives us Marcy Long, a foul-tempered JerkAss who often goes out of her way to bitch at the player [[WelcometoCorneria with the same four lines of dialogue over and over again]]. Her husband Jun claims it's her way of mourning their son's death, but a terminal in Quincy implies otherwise. What players especially find irritating is that when they finally snap and unload a shotgun into her face, both she and her husband are marked as essential despite contributing absolutely nothing to the story (unlike Sturges and Mama Murphy, who are also essential for the most part but actually have some use).use).
** Preston Garvey also gets some hate for the constant stream of [[FetchQuest Fetch Quests]] involving helping out settlements (frequently located on the other side of the map). To make it worse, he gives out a new quest as soon as soon as you turn an old one in. In addition, his lines are somewhat [[{{Narm}} Narmy]] after you romance him.
*** Mitigated in a patch. Now most of the fetch quests that Garvey gave out are now given out by listening to Radio Freedom, and Garvey himself gives out quests far less frequently
** Once the ''Wasteland Workshop'' DLC came out (allowing, among other things, the ability to create arenas where settlers can fight wasteland creatures or each other), many players have assigned Marcy to an arena to fight [[LightningBruiser Deathclaws]] unarmed, and [[TakeThatScrappy watching her die over and over again]] due to her essential status.
19th Apr '16 11:54:54 PM Gravityman
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** Carl "CJ" Johnson:
*** According to some fans. These fans tend to criticise the fact that CJ is whiny at times and isn't as {{badass}} as his predecessors, Claude (''GTA III'') and Tommy Vercetti (''Vice City''). Most fans like him though.
*** The major problem fingered with CJ is cut-scene/gameplay dissonance. Claude is, at best, amoral and Tommy is a complete psycho, whereas CJ is depicted as having fundamentally good motivations and just 'doin it fo da hood.' Which somehow doesn't gel with the fact you just ran over a few old women and beat police officers to death with a dildo.
*** A bigger problem with CJ is that even if the player doesn't go on random massacres in the sandbox, many of the missions have CJ deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people for no good reason. SequenceBreaking aside, there is no way for CJ to be even close to the person he considers himself to be. That what makes him annoying to a lot of people (intentional though it may be).

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** Carl "CJ" Johnson:
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Johnson, according to some fans. These Some fans tend to criticise think he doesn't have quite the fact that CJ is whiny at times and isn't right temperament or motives to work as {{badass}} as his predecessors, a ''Grand Theft Auto'' protagonist, since the ones before him like Claude (''GTA III'') and Tommy Vercetti (''Vice City''). Most fans like him though.
*** The major problem fingered with CJ is cut-scene/gameplay dissonance. Claude is, at best,
City'') were portrayed as much more amoral and Tommy is a complete psycho, psychotic than he is, whereas CJ is depicted as having fundamentally good motivations and just 'doin it fo da hood.' Which somehow doesn't gel with hood,' making the fact you just ran over a few old women and beat police officers VideoGameCrueltyPotential the player is all but encouraged to death with a dildo.
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dish out seem out of character for him. A bigger problem with CJ is that even if the player doesn't go on random massacres in the sandbox, many of the missions have CJ deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people for no good reason. SequenceBreaking aside, there is no way for CJ to be even close to the person he considers himself to be. That what makes him annoying to a lot of people (intentional though it may be).
13th Apr '16 5:36:07 PM Peridonyx
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* As of ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', many fans seem to view main antagonist Master Xehanort this way, deriding him as a blatant InvincibleVillain -- complete with StoryBreakerPower abilities like [[spoiler:TimeTravel]] and cheap advantages like everyone else being handed the IdiotBall in his presence just so he can succeed -- who is literally the source of all the major KudzuPlot and {{Retcon}} moments in the series due to the execution of his GreaterScopeVillain role.
13th Apr '16 5:14:26 PM Peridonyx
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* ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' invoked this on Master Xehanort when TheReveal of [[spoiler:his new TimeTravel XanatosGambit made the heroes' past wins and risks AllForNothing; invoked HijackedByGanon on the other villains (even his other forms); made him a clear VillainSue; needlessly invoked KickThemWhileTheyAreDown on already-"tormented" Terra, Aqua, and Ven; took the series's KudzuPlot UpToEleven; and gave many fans DarknessInducedAudienceApathy instead of hyping them for KingdomHeartsIII.]]
10th Apr '16 4:46:48 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** The Chaos character for ''Winter Assault'', Crull, wasn't exactly well-liked either, since he was kind of low on personality next to all the others. Bale had an odd-couple relationship with Sindri and [[HeyItsThatVoice sounded like]] [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars Dinobot]], Eliphas was devious, talented, and surprisingly intimidating, Carron was so {{narm}}y and bad at his job that it was [[FountainOfMemes almost impossible to hate him]], and Araghast was downright psychotic. Crull, by comparison, was just kind of the standard Khornate Chaos Lord, and didn't really do much but shout "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" and get killed by Gorgutz.

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** The Chaos character for ''Winter Assault'', Crull, wasn't exactly well-liked either, since he was kind of low on personality next to all the others. Bale had an odd-couple relationship with Sindri and [[HeyItsThatVoice sounded like]] like [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars Dinobot]], Eliphas was devious, talented, and surprisingly intimidating, Carron was so {{narm}}y and bad at his job that it was [[FountainOfMemes almost impossible to hate him]], and Araghast was downright psychotic. Crull, by comparison, was just kind of the standard Khornate Chaos Lord, and didn't really do much but shout "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" and get killed by Gorgutz.



** His status as a Scrappy is softened somewhat in the third game, as the actor playing Maniac is none other than [[Franchise/BackToTheFuture Biff freakin' Tannen himself]], [[HeyItsThatGuy Thomas F. Wilson]]. Still, in a game where you can take damage from friendly fire, Maniac was the one most likely to do it, usually at the worst possible time in a dogfight.

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** His status as a Scrappy is softened somewhat in the third game, as the actor playing Maniac is none other than [[Franchise/BackToTheFuture Biff freakin' Tannen himself]], [[HeyItsThatGuy Thomas F. Wilson]].Wilson. Still, in a game where you can take damage from friendly fire, Maniac was the one most likely to do it, usually at the worst possible time in a dogfight.
8th Apr '16 2:35:37 AM ChrisX
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** Before we carry on with ''Central Fiction'', let's step back a little. See, Terumi and Relius were shaped up to be pretty good villains that could have served as [[TrueFinalBoss the primary villains of the whole series]]. Then in ''Chronophantasma'', they were demoted in favor of their boss, the being they got to possess Saya in the first place: [[GodOfEvil Hades Izanami]], who proceeds to just show an exercise of extreme VillainSue-ness that makes the two jealous. The fans could have forgiven that if she was a bit interesting... unfortunately she's shown to be nothing but a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose goal is "[[OmnicidalManiac death to all]], [[ItsWhatIDo for I am death incarnate]]", the demotion of Terumi and Relius were also executed very suddenly at the end of the game, thus she had little time to prove herself as her BigBad status on her own outside of 'posing as the Imperator Librarius' (and in a way, suddenly taking credits of Terumi and Relius' achievements in the past), and with Saya as the vessel, she also loses point in originality (even a [[NightmareFuel pants-wettingly scary true form]] would be an improvement, if she had one). And to make matters worse, while the next game really sets up to be the final confrontation about her, Act I focuses on her {{Dragon}}, Nine the Phantom, [[DragonWithAnAgenda doing her own thing to strike back at her]]. Overlapping with ReplacementScrappy[[note]]Where a character might be perfectly okay on their own if they weren't replacing another well-established character[[/note]], this is one villain that just fails to attain the LoveToHate status, and that's saying something when you realize that the previous 'villains' or 'final bosses' in the series (Nu, Terumi, Mu, Relius) at least have that going for them. How the remaining acts deal with her is yet to be witnessed, but the current prospects are grim. Things actually ''do'' look up for her, since she was made playable in the second act, so we get to see the extent of what she's capable of and arcade snippets expands further from her GenericDoomsdayVillain status about her personality and cruelty, but then there's the dangers of being an SNKBoss to the most irritating degree, something Arc System Works is pretty good at.

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** Before we carry on with ''Central Fiction'', let's step back a little. See, Terumi and Relius were shaped up to be pretty good villains that could have served as [[TrueFinalBoss the primary villains of the whole series]]. Then in ''Chronophantasma'', they were demoted in favor of their boss, the being they got to possess Saya in the first place: [[GodOfEvil Hades Izanami]], who proceeds to just show an exercise of extreme VillainSue-ness that makes the two jealous. The fans could have forgiven that if she was a bit interesting... unfortunately she's shown to be nothing but a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose goal is "[[OmnicidalManiac death to all]], [[ItsWhatIDo for I am death incarnate]]", the demotion of Terumi and Relius were also executed very suddenly at the end of the game, thus she had little time to prove herself as her BigBad status on her own outside of 'posing as the Imperator Librarius' (and in a way, suddenly taking credits of Terumi and Relius' achievements in the past), and with Saya as the vessel, she also loses point in originality (even a [[NightmareFuel pants-wettingly scary true form]] would be an improvement, if she had one). And to make matters worse, while the next game really sets up to be the final confrontation about her, Act I focuses on her {{Dragon}}, Nine the Phantom, [[DragonWithAnAgenda doing her own thing to strike back at her]]. Overlapping with ReplacementScrappy[[note]]Where a character might be perfectly okay on their own if they weren't replacing another well-established character[[/note]], this is one villain that just fails to attain the LoveToHate status, and that's saying something when you realize that the previous 'villains' or 'final bosses' in the series (Nu, Terumi, Mu, Relius) at least have that going for them. How the remaining acts deal with her is yet to be witnessed, but the current prospects are grim. Things actually ''do'' look up Thankfully for her, since however, Izanami [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap has a warmer reception after the 2nd part]], as [[CreepyAwesome she was made playable in the second act, so we get to see the extent of what she's capable of really lives up her 'creepy Death Goddess' credentials through gameplay and arcade snippets expands further from design.]] But as far as storywise goes, she still has a lot to fill after her unimpressive hijacking and GenericDoomsdayVillain status about her personality and cruelty, but then there's the dangers of being an SNKBoss to the most irritating degree, something Arc System Works is pretty good at.creds.
5th Apr '16 8:45:31 AM IamTheCaligula
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** Before we carry on with ''Central Fiction'', let's step back a little. See, Terumi and Relius were shaped up to be pretty good villains that could have served as [[TrueFinalBoss the primary villains of the whole series]]. Then in ''Chronophantasma'', they were demoted in favor of their boss, the being they got to possess Saya in the first place: [[GodOfEvil Hades Izanami]], who proceeds to just show an exercise of extreme VillainSue-ness that makes the two jealous. The fans could have forgiven that if she was a bit interesting... unfortunately she's shown to be nothing but a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose goal is "[[OmnicidalManiac death to all]], for I am death incarnate", the demotion of Terumi and Relius were also executed very suddenly at the end of the game, thus she had little time to prove herself as her BigBad status on her own outside of 'posing as the Imperator Librarius' (and in a way, suddenly taking credits of Terumi and Relius' achievements in the past), and with Saya as the vessel, she also loses point in originality (even a [[NightmareFuel pants-wettingly scary true form]] would be an improvement, if she had one). And to make matters worse, while the next game really sets up to be the final confrontation about her, Act I focuses on her {{Dragon}}, Nine the Phantom, [[DragonWithAnAgenda doing her own thing to strike back at her]]. Overlapping with ReplacementScrappy[[note]]Where a character might be perfectly okay on their own if they weren't replacing another well-established character[[/note]], this is one villain that just fails to attain the LoveToHate status, and that's saying something when you realize that the previous 'villains' or 'final bosses' in the series (Nu, Terumi, Mu, Relius) at least have that going for them. How the remaining acts deal with her is yet to be witnessed, but the current prospects are grim. Things actually ''do'' look up for her, since she was made playable in the second act, so we get to see the extent of what she's capable of and arcade snippets expands further from her GenericDoomsdayVillain status about her personality and cruelty, but then there's the dangers of being an SNKBoss to the most irritating degree, something Arc System Works is pretty good at.

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** Before we carry on with ''Central Fiction'', let's step back a little. See, Terumi and Relius were shaped up to be pretty good villains that could have served as [[TrueFinalBoss the primary villains of the whole series]]. Then in ''Chronophantasma'', they were demoted in favor of their boss, the being they got to possess Saya in the first place: [[GodOfEvil Hades Izanami]], who proceeds to just show an exercise of extreme VillainSue-ness that makes the two jealous. The fans could have forgiven that if she was a bit interesting... unfortunately she's shown to be nothing but a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose goal is "[[OmnicidalManiac death to all]], [[ItsWhatIDo for I am death incarnate", incarnate]]", the demotion of Terumi and Relius were also executed very suddenly at the end of the game, thus she had little time to prove herself as her BigBad status on her own outside of 'posing as the Imperator Librarius' (and in a way, suddenly taking credits of Terumi and Relius' achievements in the past), and with Saya as the vessel, she also loses point in originality (even a [[NightmareFuel pants-wettingly scary true form]] would be an improvement, if she had one). And to make matters worse, while the next game really sets up to be the final confrontation about her, Act I focuses on her {{Dragon}}, Nine the Phantom, [[DragonWithAnAgenda doing her own thing to strike back at her]]. Overlapping with ReplacementScrappy[[note]]Where a character might be perfectly okay on their own if they weren't replacing another well-established character[[/note]], this is one villain that just fails to attain the LoveToHate status, and that's saying something when you realize that the previous 'villains' or 'final bosses' in the series (Nu, Terumi, Mu, Relius) at least have that going for them. How the remaining acts deal with her is yet to be witnessed, but the current prospects are grim. Things actually ''do'' look up for her, since she was made playable in the second act, so we get to see the extent of what she's capable of and arcade snippets expands further from her GenericDoomsdayVillain status about her personality and cruelty, but then there's the dangers of being an SNKBoss to the most irritating degree, something Arc System Works is pretty good at.
19th Mar '16 6:36:19 AM Lopiny
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** Several characters that could be hated, but generally [[BlackMagicianGirl Qara]] is often cited as the most hated. She's a [[KillItWithFire pyromaniac]] sorceress who has a severely [[SmallNameBigEgo overinflated sense of importance]] due to the fact [[MagicAIsMagicA she can spontaneously cast spells]] and refuses to study anything or refuse to take responsibility for her actions (believing she had a right to [[DisproportionateRetribution set fire to a stable]] because someone verbally mocked her). Any attempt to reign in her Pyromania or her tendency [[ChaoticStupid to want to do the most destructive action possible]] only nets negative influence. There's VERY little attempts for the player to get her off the high horse and mature. It also doesn't help she has a rivalry with the much more popular [[DeadpanSnarker Sand]] who she belittles needlessly because he's a Wizard.
** It also also doesn't help that Qara's pyrotechnics have a nasty habit of destroying loot-containing chests.
** In close competition with Qara is Grobnar, the resident SpoonyBard. Who is also a gnome. Many players would love to tell him to get stuffed when he announces his intention to join the party... but when anybody wants to join your party in [=NWN2=], [[ButThouMust Thou Must Accept Them]].

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** Several characters that could be hated, but generally [[BlackMagicianGirl Qara]] is often cited as the most hated. She's a [[KillItWithFire pyromaniac]] sorceress who has a severely [[SmallNameBigEgo overinflated sense of importance]] due to the fact [[MagicAIsMagicA she can spontaneously cast spells]] and refuses to study anything or refuse to take responsibility for her actions (believing she had a right to [[DisproportionateRetribution set fire to a stable]] because someone verbally mocked her). Any attempt to reign in her Pyromania or her tendency [[ChaoticStupid to want to do the most destructive action possible]] only nets negative influence. There's VERY little attempts for the player to get her off the high horse and mature. It also doesn't help she has a rivalry with the much more popular [[DeadpanSnarker Sand]] who she belittles needlessly because he's a Wizard.
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Wizard. It also also doesn't help that Qara's pyrotechnics have a nasty habit of destroying loot-containing chests.
chests, which in this game wrecks the better items inside.
** In close competition with Qara is Grobnar, the resident SpoonyBard. Who is also a gnome. Many players would love to tell him to get stuffed when he announces his intention to join the party... but when anybody wants to join your party in [=NWN2=], [[ButThouMust Thou Must Accept Them]]. The only thing keeping him (slightly) above Qara is the fact he's occasionally funny.
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