History ThatOneBoss / Pokemon

* Cynthia from Gen IV games is far and away the most difficult Champion battle of the series. Her pokemon are at ''much'' higher levels than what was generally seen in the previous games, are of varied typings, and are all ''[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard perfectly EV-trained.]]'' Compare that the previous Champions who had teams that maxed out at about level 58-60 and (with the exception of Blue/Gary from RBY) stuck to one elemental typing that could be exploited more easily. Oh, and to make matters worse, her strongest pokemon is a [[GameBreaker Garchomp]], a pokemon so stupidly overpowered that ''it's been banned from normal competitive play.'' And in addition to ''that'', she also uses a Spiritomb, whose typing gives it no elemental weaknesses '''whatsover''', and a Milotic, a [[MightyGlacier "bulky water" type]] with ridiculously high Special Defense. Think you can wipe it out with Thunderbolt? Nope! It survives the critical attack, regenerates its health with Aqua Ring, then outright kills you instead with Mirror Coat in retaliation.

* Cynthia from Gen IV games is far and away the most difficult Champion battle of the series. Her pokemon are at ''much'' higher levels than what was generally seen in the previous games, are of varied typings, and are all ''[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard perfectly EV-trained.]]'' Compare that the previous Champions who had teams that maxed out at about level 58-60 and (with the exception of Blue/Gary from RBY) stuck to one elemental typing that could be exploited more easily. Oh, and to make matters worse, her strongest pokemon is a [[GameBreaker Garchomp]], a pokemon so stupidly overpowered that ''it's been banned from normal competitive play.'' And in addition to ''that'', she also uses a Spiritomb, whose typing gives it no elemental weaknesses ''''whatsover'''', and a Milotic, a [[MightyGlacier "bulky water" type]] with ridiculously high Special Defense. Think you can wipe it out with Thunderbolt? Nope! It survives the critical attack, regenerates its health with Aqua Ring, then outright kills you instead with Mirror Coat in retaliation.

* Cynthia from Gen IV games is far and away the most difficult Champion battle of the series. Her pokemon are at ''much'' higher levels than what was generally seen in the previous games, are of varied typings, and are all ''[[theComputerIsACheatingBastard perfectly EV-trained.]]'' Compare that the previous Champions who had teams that maxed out at about level 58-60 and (with the exception of Blue/Gary from RBY) stuck to one elemental typing that could be exploited more easily. Oh, and to make matters worse, her strongest pokemon is a [[GameBreaker Garchomp]], a pokemon so stupidly overpowered that ''it's been banned from normal competitive play.'' And in addition to ''that'', she also uses a Spiritomb, whose typing gives it no elemental weaknesses ''''whatsover'''', and a Milotic, a [[MightyGlacier "bulky water" type]] with ridiculously high Special Defense. Think you can wipe it out with Thunderbolt? Nope! It survives the critical attack, regenerates its health with Aqua Ring, then outright kills you instead with Mirror Coat in retaliation.

* Murray in the Pokemon TCG GBC game. He's the Psychic Master, but his deck is based around stalling and basically being cruel. Think you've got him cornered? Nope, there's his Alakazam siphoning off damage to Chansey. Think you've got him ''there''? Nope, he's got Pokemon Center cards. And then you run out of cards in your deck...

* Blue in HeartGold/SoulSilver. Your team will be nerfed by Exeggutor's Trick Room, making the slowest Pokemon move first. The MightyGlacier aspect of Pokemon like Machamp and Rhyhorn is thus conveniently removed, allowing them to destroy you. Of course, if you choose to rematch him, he turns out to have gotten a Tyranitar. [[Understatement Oh, ''crap.'']]

* Blue in HeartGold/SoulSilver. Your team will be nerfed by Exeggutor's Trick Room, making the slowest Pokemon move first. The MightyGlacier aspect of Pokemon like Machamp and Rhyhorn is thus conveniently removed, allowing them to destroy you. Of course, if you choose to rematch him, he turns out to have gotten a Tyranitar. [[''Understatement''|Oh, ''crap. '']]

* Flint, in Diamond and Pearl at least. So your geared up with your water- ground- or rock-type Pokémon, ready to stomp those fire-types of his. But then you find out that ''three of his five Pokémon'' aren't fire-type. Platinum was much nicer to us about it, though, giving him a full team of fire-types.

** And let's not forget [[Spoiler:Darkrai and pals]]

** Clair, and by proxy, Lance, get even worse in the remakes, where they will now spam moves like Thunder and Hydro Pump, high power moves that are supposed to be balanced out by low accuracy, [[MyRulesAreNotRules without ever actually missing]]. At least Red took one for the team and dealt with Mt. Silver's perma-Hail to justify Blizzard always hitting...

** Clair, and by proxy, Lance, get even worse in the remakes, where they will now spam moves like Thunder and Hydro Pump, high power moves that are supposed to be balanced out by low accuracy (Only when they use it, it's accuracy seems way over the usual percentage) which will absolutely devastate your Delibird or Piloswine. At least Red took one for the team and dealt with Mt. Silver's perma-Hail to justify Blizzard always hitting...

*** This is slightly counteracted by the fact that many of the people playing the remakes have much more experience than they did playing the originals. The Sending Out A Ghastly Never Works theory only works if you don't actually train it. Seeing as you can get a Ghastly as soon as you get to Violet City, you can start training from there. Of course, training it is a lesson in ''pain'', as it only knows Lick until level 14, when it learns Night Shade. But if you train that thing well enough, it can sweep Morty like no one's business. The end results are more than worth it, as a Gengar can trample 90% of the trainers in the game (Jasmine being the primary exception).

** In PokemonHeartGoldAndSoulSilver this gets to ridiculous levels. What, you've overcome the flinchax? Too bad, the cow had used Attract on your male Mon which is now in lurrve and won't attack. What? Did you try the same trick that pulled you through in the original Gold and Silver, catching a [[GlassCannon Gastly]] to nullify Miltank's physical attacks? Guess what! Miltank now has the ability "Scrappy" ([[TheScrappy how appropriate]]) which allows it to hit Ghost-Types with Normal-type attacks. As you can see, it's pretty much a rule of thumb that Sending Out a Gastly Never Works. So in desperation you set out to somehow make The Cow slower than whatever you have out, which nullifies Stomp's 30% rate of causing you to flinch and skip your turn. No luck, mate: That Mooing thing is most likely faster[[hottip:* :higher base speed than ''Rayquaza''?! How the hell does that work? Also, it carries a Lum Berry; so much for your cunning plan of paralyzing the thing]] than anything you have up to that point (bar trading), and has hideously high defenses for that point of the game. Then just to make things worse, it uses Milk Drink to recover its HP.
In Gen II, Bugsy. If your starter was Chikorita in GSC, you most likely were gritting your teeth in frustration; even if you were smart and caught a Flying-type, you were still pitted against a relatively high-leveled Scyther that knew Fury Cutter (aka: Rollout lite, for bugs). For HG&SS, Scyther has the ''Technician'' Ability and Fury Cutter gets '''STAB''' from it. IfMyCalculationsAreCorrect, the power sequence goes thus as 22, 44, 88... Kinda makes you feel good that the move was [[{{Nerf}} replaced]], right? No. They gave Scyther ''U-Turn'', which has a base power of 70 ''and'' takes Scyther off the field to protect him from retaliation, instead. Even if your Pokémon is at Level 24, at that point of the game if it gets hit for super-effective (Chikorita, Hoppip, Slowpoke) it's fainted, period.

** Remember how Sending Out a Gastly Never Works? Well, to be more precise, ''you'' sending out a Gastly never works. This guy has Gengar which is what Gastly eventually becomes when you've actually bothered to train it instead of backtracking, picking it up and hoping its immunity to Normal- and Fighting- type attacks will magically do away with the trouble you're having. Some exact stats for this species of Pokemon: SPEED- don't bother, it'll move first unless you inflict it with paralysis; SP.ATTACK- if you do not have [[StoneWall Umbreon]] or something you may now start crying. Brought in a Psychic-type to pull that whole Sabrina situation, only this time in your favor? Yeah, that thing knows shadow ball. That actually IS effective against Psychic-types. So you're better off bringin in some other Mon, which Gengar will in all likelihood use Hypnosis to put to sleep, then hit with Dream Eater, the most powerful Psychic-type attack in the game. Refer to that thing's SP.ATTACK stat from earlier and note that half the damage dealt will heal Gengar. Figured you'd switch out? Nope, it knows Mean Look. If that sleeping pathetic wreck over there having its dreams munched on was your only hope of defeating Gengar you'll have to use a revive. Which at that point of the game is a strategy that will get you bankrupt.

* Flint, in Diamond and Pearl at least. So your geared up with your water- ground- or rock-type Pokémon, ready to stomp those fire-types of his. But then you find out that ''three of his five Pokémon'' aren't fire-type. Platinum was much nicer to us about it, though, giving him a full team of fire-types.
* Mother. Freaking. Cynthia. Once this troper got past Bertha and her Earthquake-using Hippowdon (who can also put you to sleep in Platinum), getting to Cynthia wasn't that hard... but getting ''past'' Cynthia took about five tries. Her IVs are near-perfect, and unless you have an Ice- or Dragon-type move, her Garchomp (who also has Earthquake; see the pattern?) will END you. If you get past that, you get to face Lucario, whose Extreme Speed has a high chance of killing you, and whose Aura Sphere will probably kill you if you survive. Getting past ''that'' will give you the not-as-difficult-but-still-irritating Roserade and Milotic, but if you manage to get through all four of them, you get to face a Spiritomb, which has no weaknesses unless you manage to have the Scrappy ability or Odor Sleuth/Foresight, moves which you probably wouldn't have this far into the game. ''Then'', if you're playing Diamond or Pearl, you get a Gastrodon, which you can't beat with Electric attacks and [[OverlyLongGag who also has Earthquake]]. If you're playing Platinum, you're up against Togekiss, who is the same level as Lucario and can also use Aura Sphere. They certainly didn't make the first female Champion a weak one...
** By FinalBoss standards I don't think Cynthia was THAT hard. Take into account you're talking about the CHAMPION, aka the FinalBoss, so it is expected to be difficult. The problem is that the Elite Four got depowered after the first installments of the game, where the Champion had his pokémon at their high 60s, and when D&P came out nobody expected them to be powerful again as they are supposed to be.
** You're forgetting Lucian. Good lord, that guy was a royal pain in the arse! Remember that Bronzor that could rape yoour entire team earlier in the game? Well, Lucian has a Bronzong, the evolved form of that mother. It's a Psychic-Steel type with Levitate, ipso facto the only thing that can scratch it is a Fire-type. Which means that if you didn't pick Chimchar and never got a Ponyta/Rapidash, you sir are S-O-L. Oh but wait, did I mention it also knows Earthquake?

** Actually, during my most recent playthrough, I had pretty much no trouble from Wattson - I just had the smarts to catch a shroomish early and train it to awesomeness. Do NOT, under ANY circumstances, underestimate Shroomish/Breloom. However, until I found out you could catch a handy Sableye in a nearby cave, Brawly obliterated me every single time. That damn Makuhita...

** Clair, and by proxy, Lance, get even worse in the remakes, where they will now spam moves like Thunder and Hydro Pump, high power moves that are supposed to be balanced out by low accuracy and limited use (PP). Only when they use it, it's 100% accurate and has infinite usage. At least Red took one for the team and dealt with Mt. Silver's perma-Hail to justify Blizzard always hitting...

** Clair, and by proxy, Lance, get even worse in the remakes, where they will now spam moves like Thunder and Hydro Pump, high power moves that are supposed to be balanced out by low accuracy and limited use (PP). Only when they use it, it's 100% accurate and has infinite usage. At least Red took one for the team and bothered to have a Mon constantly make it Hail to justify Blizzard always hitting...

**By FinalBoss standards I don't think Cynthia was THAT hard. Take into account you're talking about the CHAMPION, aka the FinalBoss, so it is expected to be difficult. The problem is that the Elite Four got depowered after the first installments of the game, where the Champion had his pokémon at their high 60s, and when D&P came out nobody expected them to be powerful again as they are supposed to be.

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