History Tearjerker / TheDefenders2017

-->'''Matt Murdock:''' You don’t get second chances with these people. All right? If you’re not careful, next thing you know, you’re--you’re dead! Or worse, you’re holding the people you love the most in the world and you get…''[chokes]'' you get the privilege of watching them die. Right… maybe this city is at stake. Maybe this fight is important. I get that. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone I’m just saying, imagine knowing for the rest of your life you only made it worse by getting involved!]] Jesus...''[walks away]''

** More specifically, Matt pauses in the middle of explaining to Foggy what happened to process that Elektra, the woman he dated in college and thought was dead, killed Stick. He’s so shocked and horrified he has trouble processing it, and ends up crying before finally being able to collect himself enough to give a statement to Misty.

** Matt's "death" proceeds to shadow Karen into ''Series/ThePunisher2017''. As Creator/DeborahAnnWoll has put it in interviews, she’s playing Karen as someone completely overcome by grief, even if Matt isn't so much as mentioned in that show. She has a shrine to him on a table in her apartment in a place where it can't be ignored (a picture of Matt, Karen and Foggy celebrating St. Patrick's Day at Josie's). When she talks to Frank about loneliness and wanting him to have an "after", she’s very much speaking about her need to know that moving on IS possible, that she won’t be stuck grieving Matt for the rest of her life. To some degree, it also is an underlying factor to Karen's seeming recklessness throughout the whole situation with Lewis Wilson - from Karen telling Frank he doesn’t need to protect her, to her provoking Lewis by calling him a coward on the radio. She’s someone who just no longer gives a shit about anything. She lost Matt; she and Foggy don’t seem to be in touch, she almost doesn’t care what happens to her at this point.

** Meanwhile, with Foggy, remember how one of the things he said in "Nelson v. Murdock" upon first learning Matt's secret was "You're gonna get yourself killed if you keep this up. You know that, right?" While he acts stoic and composed speaking to Claire and Luke, it's clear he's hurting too. His best friend is dead and he blames himself, because not only did he fail to convince Matt of the danger of his superheroics, Foggy was also the one who enabled Matt to go down into that hole and get killed by bringing the suit to the precinct. The dilemma of Matt and Foggy’s disagreements regarding Daredevil, and the narrative danger it poses to their friendship, is quite interesting to explore, especially the emotional impact created by him “dying” in this way. Because while it'd be great for Matt to have a stable superhero career and for him and Foggy to not be constantly fighting about it, there’s power in proving Foggy right. Foggy spent season 2 and ''The Defenders'' living in fear of Matt dying in the line of duty, having near-death scares such as when Frank shot Matt in the head, trying to convince his friend to stop, and then when he finally starts trusting in the idea that maybe Matt will be okay, and offers him help and support, Matt gets killed. And this means it is likely going to take a massive effort for Foggy to get back around to supporting Matt’s superheroics in season 3.

* Jessica seems to be taking Matt’s supposed death a lot harder than Luke or Danny. Luke is happy enough to keep moving forward, and Danny is taking up Matt’s mantle as protector of New York, but Jessica is heavily dwelling on the fact that she couldn’t save Matt from himself.

* On Luke Cage's return to Harlem, we learn that Candace Miller, the sole witness to Cottonmouth's murder who got killed by Shades in the final minutes of ''Series/LukeCage'' season 1, had two brothers. One of the brothers has now been killed due to getting employed by the Hand, and Misty hires Luke to track down the third brother because she doesn't want him to meet the same fate.

** [[spoiler:Matt's "death" proceeds to shadow Karen into ''Series/ThePunisher2017''. As Creator/DeborahAnnWoll has put it in interviews, she’s playing Karen as someone completely overcome by grief, even if Matt isn't so much as mentioned in that show. She has a shrine to him on a table in her apartment in a place where it can't be ignored (a picture of Matt, Karen and Foggy celebrating St. Patrick's Day at Josie's). When she talks to Frank Castle about loneliness and wanting him to have an "after", she’s very much speaking about her need to know that moving on IS possible, that she won’t be stuck grieving Matt for the rest of her life. In Karen’s actions throughout the whole situation with Lewis Wilson - from Karen telling Frank he doesn’t need to protect her, to Karen provoking Lewis by calling him a coward on the radio - she’s someone who just no longer gives a shit about anything. She lost Matt; she and Foggy don’t seem to be in touch, she almost doesn’t care what happens to her at this point.]]
** [[spoiler:Meanwhile, with Foggy, remember how one of the things he said in "Nelson v. Murdock" upon first learning Matt's secret was "You're gonna get yourself killed if you keep this up. You know that, right?" While he acts stoic and composed speaking to Claire and Luke, it's clear he's hurting too. His best friend is dead and he blames himself, because not only did he fail to convince Matt of the danger of his superheroics, Foggy was also the one who enabled Matt to go down into that hole and get killed by bringing the suit to the precinct. The dilemma of Matt and Foggy’s disagreements regarding Daredevil, and the narrative danger it poses to their friendship, is quite interesting to explore, especially the emotional impact created by him “dying” in this way. Because while it'd be great for Matt to have a stable superhero career and for him and Foggy to not be constantly fighting about it, there’s power in proving Foggy right. Foggy spent season 2 and ''The Defenders'' living in fear of Matt dying in the line of duty, having near-death scares such as when Frank shot Matt in the head, trying to convince his friend to stop, and then when he finally starts trusting in the idea that maybe Matt will be okay, and offers him help and support, Matt gets killed. And this means it is likely going to take a massive effort for Foggy to get back around to supporting Matt’s superheroics in season 3.]]
*** In fact, [[spoiler:in ''Jessica Jones'' season 2, when Foggy makes a brief cameo trying to help Jeri fight back against her partners who are trying to kick her out, he seems to be trying to make a BFF out of Jeri to form a replacement for Matt]].

** Of all the Defenders, Jessica and Matt seemed to have the best understanding. They were starting to trust each other and liked knowing someone who was similar to them and who, unlike Luke and Danny, shared their cynicism and felt that they had failed the people they were trying to protect. They were clearly on track to becoming close friends, and now Matt represents one more person who Jessica feels she let down. It's possible that this will make Jessica end up having a major relapse in the progress she'd been making towards her own life since Kilgrave's death. Her state of wellbeing at the start of ''Jessica Jones'' season 2 is definitely a combination of losing Matt and everything related to Kilgrave.

-->'''Danny Rand:''' ''[getting frustrated]'' [[DudeWheresMyRespect I've lost plenty in this war. Don't talk to me like I'm some kid!]]

** More specifically, Matt pauses in the middle of explaining to Foggy what happened to process that Elektra, the woman he loved and thought was dead, killed Stick. He’s so shocked and horrified he has trouble processing it, and ends up crying before finally being able to collect himself enough to continue.

** Of all the Defenders, Jess and Matt seemed to have the best understanding. They were starting to trust each other and liked knowing someone who was similar to them and who, unlike Luke and Danny, shared their cynicism and felt that they had failed the people they were trying to protect. They were clearly on track to becoming close friends, and now Matt represents one more person who Jessica feels she let down. It's possible that this will make Jessica end up having a major relapse in the progress she'd been making towards her own life since Kilgrave's death. The hallucinations of Kilgrave that Jessica is having in season 2 of ''Jessica Jones'' could stem from losing Matt.

I spread out my hands to you; my soul thirsts for you like a parched land. Selah\\

In your unfailing love, silence my enemies; destroy all my foes, for I am your servant.\\

* After everything Jessica has been through, in ''Series/JessicaJones'' and after that, from the drinking to flat out avoiding her home/office, isn't helping. [[spoiler:Suggesting grabbing a coffee with Luke sometime. He simply shakes his head and walks off.]] Every form of solace she tries to find isn't helping what she did to Kilgrave and all the people she couldn't save. She is a longshot away from healing her own wounds.

** Of all the Defenders, Jess and Matt seemed to have the best understanding. They were starting to trust each other and liked knowing someone who was similar to them and who, unlike Luke and Danny, shared their cynicism and felt that they had failed the people they were trying to protect. They were clearly on track to becoming close friends, and now Matt represents one more person who Jessica feels she let down. It's possible that this will make Jessica end up having a major relapse in the progress she'd been making towards her own life since Kilgrave's death. The fact that Kilgrave will likely be popping up as hallucinations in Jessica's head in season 2 of ''Jessica Jones'' could stem from losing Matt.

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-->'''Misty Knight:''' But you might have interrupted a citywide investigation. You stole evidence from my crime scene. And you got my one lead killed.

[[folder: Worst Behavior]]

[[folder: Royal Dragon]]

-->'''Matt Murdock:''' ''Then don't act like some kid!''

[[folder: Take Shelter]]

[[folder: Ashes, Ashes]]

[[folder: Fish in the Jailhouse]]

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** Of all the Defenders, Jess and Matt seemed to have the best understanding. They were starting to trust each other and liked knowing someone who was similar to them and who, unlike Luke and Danny, shared their cynicism and felt that they had failed the people they were trying to protect. They were clearly on track to becoming close friends, and now Matt represents one more person who Jessica feels she let down. It's possible that this will make Jessica end up having a major relapse in the progress she'd been making towards her own life since Kilgrave's death.

* On the way back to New York, Danny has a nightmare about what may have happened to K'un-Lun.

-->'''Matt Murdock:''' You don’t get second chances with these people. All right? If you’re not careful, next thing you know, you’re--you’re dead! Or worse, you’re holding the people you love the most in the world and you get…''[chokes]'' you get the privilege of watching them die. Right… maybe this city is at stake. Maybe this fight is important. I get that. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDoneI’m just saying, imagine knowing for the rest of your life you only made it worse by getting involved!]] Jesus...''[walks away]''

-->'''Matt Murdock:''' That's because he wants something. And because what he wants will put everyone that we care about at risk!

-->'''Danny Rand:''' ''[getting frustrated]'' I've lost plenty in this war. Don't talk to me like I'm some kid!
-->'''Matt Murdock:''' Then don't act like some kid!

-->'''Matt Murdock:''' You don’t get second chances with these people. All right? If you’re not careful, next thing you know, you’re--you’re dead! Or worse, you’re holding the people you love the most in the world and you get…''[chokes]'' you get the privilege of watching them die. Right… maybe this city is at stake. Maybe this fight is important. I get that. I’m just saying, imagine knowing for the rest of your life you only made it worse by getting involved! Jesus...''[walks away]''

** Even Luke is crying in this scene.

** [[spoiler:Elektra stealing the bookmark from Matt's braille bible.]]

** More specifically the fact that he stops in the middle of explaining to Foggy what happened to process that Elektra, the woman he loves and thought was dead, killed Stick. He’s so shocked and horrified he has trouble processing it, and ends up crying before finally being able to collect himself enough to continue.

* Jessica gets a multiplied dose of this. Not only she gets someone she tried to help killed, it is also freshly after what happened to Hope. Later she is shown drinking with more vigour than ever. With or without Kilgrave, she just can't catch a break.

* Jessica's unorthodox methods which she prided herself have backfired on her spectacularly. It is not helped by how utterly broken she is while under interrogation from Misty, at least until Matt shows up:
-->'''Misty Knight:''' You've interrupted a citywide investigation. You stole evidence from my crime scene. And you got my one lead killed.
-->'''Jessica Jones:''' I was trying to help him!

* Cole is murdered in his cell for talking to Luke. His mother is in tears when she gets word. Made worse by the fact that her other son died shortly before, and her daughter Candace was [[ContinuityNod murdered by Shades to keep her from testifying against Mariah.]]
** Just the way she slowly says and then screams ''all my babies are gone'' as Luke comforts her can bring a tear to anyone's eye.

* Matt is trying to warn the others what's in store for them when working with Stick/against the hand, and starts describing "holding the person you love most in the world in your arms -" and he gets choked up and can't finish, and pretty soon has to walk away to brood by the window and pull himself together. Elektra's resurrection hasn't cancelled how painful her death was for him.

* [[spoiler:Colleen having a sword fight with a resurrected Bakuto. Having to fight her former sensei all over again and regretting that she didn't decapitate him the first time.]]

** Of all the Defenders, Jess and Matt seemed to have the best understanding. They were starting to trust each other and liked knowing someone who was similar to them and who, unlike Luke and Danny, shared their cynicism and felt that they had failed the people they were trying to protect. They were clearly on track to becoming close friends, and now Matt represents one more person who Jessica feels she let down.

--> Matt: [[spoiler:This is what we get isn't it? For Ever thinking we could make this work.]]

* On Luke Cage's return to Harlem, we learn that Candace Miller, the sole witness to Cottonmouth's murder who got killed by Shades in the final minutes of ''Luke Cage'' season 1, had two brothers. One of the brothers has now been killed due to getting employed by the Hand, and Misty hires Luke to track down the third brother because she doesn't want him to meet the same fate.

* After everything Jessica has been through, in''Series/JessicaJones'' and after that, from the drinking to flat out avoiding her home/office, isn't helping. [[spoiler:Suggesting grabbing a coffee with Luke sometime. He simply shakes his head and walks off.]] Every form of solace she tries to find isn't helping what she did to Kilgrave and all the people she couldn't save. She is a longshot away from healing her own wounds.

** More specifically the fact that he stops in the middle of explaining to Foggy what happened to prcoess that Elektra, the woman he loves and thought was dead, killed stick. He’s so shocked and horrified he has trouble processing it, and ends up crying before finally being able to collect himself enough to continue.

* Jessica seems to be taking Matt’s supposed death a lot harder than Luke or Danny. Luke is happy enough to keep moving forward, and Danny is taking up Matt’s mantle as protector of New York, but Jessica seems to be heavily dwelling on the fact that she couldn’t save Matt from himself.
** Of all the Defenders, Jess and Matt seemed to have the best understanding. As seen in episode 6 they were starting to trust each other and found comfort in knowing someone who was similar position to them and who, unlike Luke and Danny, shared their cynical outlook and felt that they had failed the people they were trying to protect. They related to each other well, and without the romantic overtones of Luke and Jessica, they were clearly on track to becoming close friends. And now Matt represents one more person who Jessica feels she let down.

* After everything Jessica has been through, through ''Series/JessicaJones'' and after, from the drinking to flat out avoiding her home/office, isn't helping. [[spoiler:Suggesting grabbing a coffee with Luke sometime. He simply shakes his head and walks off.]] Every form of solace she tries to find isn't helping what she did to Kilgrave and all the people she couldn't save. She is a longshot away from healing her own wounds.