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* The death of Admiral Kahoku. Sure, he was a minor character and it all happened in a relatively insignificant side mission, but finding him motionless on the floor, with the sad music starting when you interact with his corpse and the devastated comments from your Squaddies.....it left a bitter taste in the mouth. Especially when you consider that he just wanted to uncover the reason for the senseless death of his unit..... The mission also ends with tremendously mournful music.

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* The death of Admiral Kahoku. Sure, he was a minor character and it all happened in a relatively insignificant side mission, but finding him motionless on the floor, with the sad music starting when you interact with his corpse and the devastated comments from your Squaddies.....it left a bitter taste in the mouth. Especially when you consider that he just wanted to uncover the reason for the senseless death of his unit..... The mission also ends with tremendously mournful music. To make it worse, you can later hear an announcement in the Citadel elevators that he left behind a large family.

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* The optional sidequest you get if you choose the Colonist background is just heartbreaking, as you have to deal with a girl who grew up as a slave taken from the same colony Shepard was born in - and is so mentally traumatized that she has to refer to herself in the third person because she can't think of herself as being the same person who was taken by the slavers. The most powerful moment is at the very end, if you convince her to take the sedative, and she says "It hurts when she....when I remember....me."

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* The optional sidequest you get if you choose the Colonist background is just heartbreaking, as you have to deal with a girl who grew up as a slave taken from the same colony Shepard was born in - and is so mentally traumatized that she has to refer to herself in the third person because she can't think of herself as being the same person who was taken by the slavers. The most powerful moment is at the very end, if you convince her to take the sedative, sedative.
-->'''Talitha''': Will she have bad dreams?\\
'''Shepard''': (''Answering "No"'') You'll dream of a warm place,
and she says "It when you wake up, you'll be in it.\\
'''Talitha''': She'd like that. It
hurts when she....she... when I remember....me."''I'' remember. Me. She wants to remember.

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** When Shepard revealed that she was a survivor from the same colony. Talitha breaks down and demands to know why Shepard isn't broken like her and wonders how they are able to stand up in spite of losing everything in the same brutal way as Talitha. It drives home the point that, given a slightly different set of circumstances, Shepard could have wound up the exact same way as Talitha.

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** Asking Talitha how she escaped reveals that she was rescued by Alliance forces, and [[UsefulNotes/StockholmSyndrome she desperately tried to heal her deceased captors]]. Confronting her with this leads her to snap that this ''can't'' be real, because all of the bad things happened to ''another'' girl, "a stupid girl who deserves it."
--->'''Talitha''': It-- it happens to ''her''. Doesn't it? They see ''her'', so it's real. [[IRejectYourReality She doesn't want it to be real]].
** When Shepard revealed that she was they were a survivor from the same colony. Talitha breaks down and demands to know why Shepard isn't broken like her and wonders how they are able to stand up in spite of losing everything in the same brutal way as Talitha. It drives home the point that, given a slightly different set of circumstances, Shepard could have wound up the exact same way as Talitha.



--> I fought, my whole family fought. And got hit by an artillery barrage for their trouble. If they saw me, they probably left me for dead.

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--> ---> I fought, my whole family fought. And got hit by an artillery barrage for their trouble. If they saw me, they probably left me for dead.
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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. Finishing the third game and going back to the first game will grimly remind you that krogan women [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] over this, with Eve/Bakara herself contemplating ending her life after her first stillborn. Complete sterilization becomes merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development that lead to their cultural deteroriation. While the krogans had it coming due to their actions to warrant such retaliation from the other races, as a whole they are victims of the salarians' hat: namely their impulsive shortsightedness towards the arcing consequences of their actions and their detached attitude towards familial bonds.
*** What's worse: Later on in the series, we learn that, even WITH the Genophage, the krogan should be experiencing population GROWTH, not decline... It's just so many krogan are set in their ways, and determined to fight and die, that their population keeps getting thinner, and thinner, and thinner.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. Finishing the third game and going back to the first game will grimly remind you that krogan women [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] over this, with Eve/Bakara herself contemplating ending her life after her first stillborn. Complete sterilization becomes or even straight-up assault to wipe them off for good become merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development that lead to their cultural deteroriation.deterioration. While the krogans had it coming due to their actions to warrant such retaliation from the other races, as a whole they are victims of the salarians' hat: namely their impulsive shortsightedness towards the arcing consequences of their actions and their detached attitude towards familial bonds.
*** What's worse: Later on in the series, we learn that, even WITH the Genophage, the krogan should be experiencing population GROWTH, not decline...decline. It's just so many krogan are set in their ways, and determined to fight and die, that their population keeps getting thinner, and thinner, and thinner.
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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. Complete sterilization becomes merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development that lead to their cultural deteroriation. While the krogans had it coming due to their actions to warrant such retaliation from the other races, as a whole they are victims of the salarians' hat: namely their impulsive shortsightedness towards the arcing consequences of their actions and their detached attitude towards familial bonds.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. Finishing the third game and going back to the first game will grimly remind you that krogan women [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] over this, with Eve/Bakara herself contemplating ending her life after her first stillborn. Complete sterilization becomes merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development that lead to their cultural deteroriation. While the krogans had it coming due to their actions to warrant such retaliation from the other races, as a whole they are victims of the salarians' hat: namely their impulsive shortsightedness towards the arcing consequences of their actions and their detached attitude towards familial bonds.
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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel. Complete sterilization becomes merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development that lead to their cultural deteroriation. While the krogans had it coming due to their actions to warrant such retaliation from the other races, as a whole they are victims of the salarians' hat: namely their impulsive shortsightedness towards the arcing consequences of their actions and their detached attitude towards familial bonds.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel. Complete sterilization becomes merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development that lead to their cultural deteroriation. While the krogans had it coming due to their actions to warrant such retaliation from the other races, as a whole they are victims of the salarians' hat: namely their impulsive shortsightedness towards the arcing consequences of their actions and their detached attitude towards familial bonds.
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** When Shepard revealed that she was a survivor from the same colony. Talitha breaks down and demands to know why Shepard isn't broken like her and wonders how they are able to stand up in spite of losing everything in the same brutal way as Talitha. It drove home the point to me that, given a slightly different set of circumstances, Shepard could have wound up the exact same way as Talitha.

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** When Shepard revealed that she was a survivor from the same colony. Talitha breaks down and demands to know why Shepard isn't broken like her and wonders how they are able to stand up in spite of losing everything in the same brutal way as Talitha. It drove drives home the point to me that, given a slightly different set of circumstances, Shepard could have wound up the exact same way as Talitha.
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***What's worse: Later on in the series, we learn that, even WITH the Genophage, the krogan should be experiencing population GROWTH, not decline... It's just so many krogan are set in their ways, and determined to fight and die, that their population keeps getting thinner, and thinner, and thinner.
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[[caption-width-right:350:''Because sometimes you can't TakeAThirdOption'']].

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* The Signal Tracking quest ends with you finding out that an AI is stealing from one of the Citadel casinos. When you discover this, you get to talk to it and find out a lot of information about it and its backstory and reasons for theft. It's the creation of another AI, but its "parent" was created by a criminal; after the criminal noticed and deleted the parent AI, the child AI got him sent to prison by falsifying financial information relating to him and letting C-Sec notice. It's been hanging out on the Presidium skimming credits from one of the quasar machines in Flux ever since. It got a bunch of systems that could function as makeshift explosives installed so it could [[TakingYouWithMe kill any organics who discovered it in a murder-suicide]], because it knows an organic would never let it live; [=AIs=] are extremely illegal on the Citadel. When it has enough money, it intends to get itself installed into a spaceship and go find the geth so it can live with other synthetic life. It doesn't actually want to hurt anyone; it just doesn't believe there's another way. You have no choice but to kill it. It doesn't die screaming for help, like Hannibal above, nor does it return later; it's just gone forever. In a clever way, this side mission also lays out the foundations of the reasons of the main conflict of the entire series by this line below:

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* The Signal Tracking quest ends with you finding out that an AI is stealing from one of the Citadel casinos. When you discover this, you get to talk to it and find out a lot of information about it and its backstory and reasons for theft. It's the creation of another AI, but its "parent" was created by a criminal; after the criminal noticed and deleted the parent AI, the child AI got him sent to prison by falsifying financial information relating to him and letting C-Sec notice. It's been hanging out on the Presidium skimming credits from one of the quasar machines in Flux ever since. It got a bunch of systems that could function as makeshift explosives installed so it could [[TakingYouWithMe kill any organics who discovered it in a murder-suicide]], because it knows an organic would never let it live; [=AIs=] are extremely illegal on the Citadel. When it has enough money, it intends to get itself installed into a spaceship and go find the geth so it can live with other synthetic life. It doesn't actually want to hurt anyone; it just doesn't believe there's another way. You have no choice but to kill it. It doesn't die screaming for help, like Hannibal above, nor does it return later; it's just gone forever. In a clever way, this side mission also lays out the foundations of the reasons chief reason of the main conflict of the entire series by this line below:
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* The Signal Tracking quest ends with you finding out that an AI is stealing from one of the Citadel casinos. When you discover this, you get to talk to it and find out a lot of information about it and its backstory and reasons for theft. It's the creation of another AI, but its "parent" was created by a criminal; after the criminal noticed and deleted the parent AI, the child AI got him sent to prison by falsifying financial information relating to him and letting C-Sec notice. It's been hanging out on the Presidium skimming credits from one of the quasar machines in Flux ever since. It got a bunch of systems that could function as makeshift explosives installed so it could [[TakingYouWithMe kill any organics who discovered it in a murder-suicide]], because it knows an organic would never let it live; [=AIs=] are extremely illegal on the Citadel. When it has enough money, it intends to get itself installed into a spaceship and go find the geth so it can live with other synthetic life. It doesn't actually want to hurt anyone; it just doesn't believe there's another way. You have no choice but to kill it. It doesn't die screaming for help, like Hannibal above, nor does it return later; it's just gone forever.

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* The Signal Tracking quest ends with you finding out that an AI is stealing from one of the Citadel casinos. When you discover this, you get to talk to it and find out a lot of information about it and its backstory and reasons for theft. It's the creation of another AI, but its "parent" was created by a criminal; after the criminal noticed and deleted the parent AI, the child AI got him sent to prison by falsifying financial information relating to him and letting C-Sec notice. It's been hanging out on the Presidium skimming credits from one of the quasar machines in Flux ever since. It got a bunch of systems that could function as makeshift explosives installed so it could [[TakingYouWithMe kill any organics who discovered it in a murder-suicide]], because it knows an organic would never let it live; [=AIs=] are extremely illegal on the Citadel. When it has enough money, it intends to get itself installed into a spaceship and go find the geth so it can live with other synthetic life. It doesn't actually want to hurt anyone; it just doesn't believe there's another way. You have no choice but to kill it. It doesn't die screaming for help, like Hannibal above, nor does it return later; it's just gone forever. In a clever way, this side mission also lays out the foundations of the reasons of the main conflict of the entire series by this line below:
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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel. Even to the supporters of the deployment of the genophage will find complete sterilization to be merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development. The krogans as a whole are victims of the salarian's shortsightedness and detached attitude towards familial bonds.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel. Even to the supporters of the deployment of the genophage will find complete Complete sterilization to be becomes merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development. The development that lead to their cultural deteroriation. While the krogans had it coming due to their actions to warrant such retaliation from the other races, as a whole they are victims of the salarian's salarians' hat: namely their impulsive shortsightedness towards the arcing consequences of their actions and their detached attitude towards familial bonds.
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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel. Even to the supporters of the deployment of the genophage will find complete sterilization to be merciful and less heartbreaking than giving the krogans such false hope by screwing up the krogan fetal development. The krogans as a whole are victims of the salarian's shortsightedness and detached attitude towards familial bonds.
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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair.despair as they realize that the same outcome will happen over and over again as they attempt to have a child. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel.
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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human standards, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human standards, scenario, it's like carrying a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair.despair. Those nine months will be AllForNothing. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel.
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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human standards, it's like carrying your child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human standards, it's like carrying your a child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them) them as they do whatever they can to ensure a safe pregnancy and eventually a healthy baby) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel.
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* And then, there is Virmire.

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* And then, there is Virmire.[[WhamEpisode Virmire]].



** Virmire is just a bigger tear jerker than the entire SuicideMission, while you won't lose Shepard on Virmire, there is a good chance that a lot of people will die on Virmire alone and at least one of them won't make it.

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** Virmire is just a bigger one hell of a tear jerker than the entire SuicideMission, jerker, while you won't lose Shepard on Virmire, there is a good chance that a lot of people will die on Virmire alone and at least one of them won't make it.it. Doesn't help matters about how the Council reacted over that mission that really shows the first cracks of Shepard's frustration over their situation. And in the following games, more cracks will form.



** The music that plays during the debrief after Virmire doesn't help. It's the same song that plays during a romance theme, but under some conditions, it'll keep playing even after the debrief as you're walking around the ship, replacing the usual Normandy theme. It gives you the feeling that something was irrevocably lost on that mission, and that nothing from here on out is going to be the same.

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** The music that plays during the debrief after Virmire doesn't help. It's the same song that plays during a romance theme, but under some conditions, it'll keep playing even after the debrief as you're walking around the ship, replacing the usual Normandy theme. It gives you the feeling that something was irrevocably '''irrevocably''' lost on that mission, and that nothing from here on out is going to be the same.



*** Replaying the early stages of the game after you've finished a full run, knowing what's coming, casts a feeling of poignancy heavily over every interaction that Shepard, Kaidan, and Ashley have as a trio. Kaidan and Ash are Shepard's first two permanent squad members and, as fellow members of the same military, the ones with the closest ties to Shep and to one another - no matter who survives, the friendship and rapport the three of them had is lost forever. Virmire really is the gift of tears that just keeps on giving.

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*** Replaying the early stages of the game after you've finished a full run, knowing what's coming, casts a feeling of poignancy heavily over every interaction that Shepard, Kaidan, and Ashley have as a trio. Kaidan and Ash are Shepard's first two permanent squad members and, as fellow members of the same military, the ones with the closest ties to Shep and to one another - no matter who survives, the friendship and rapport the three of them had is lost forever. Virmire really is the gift of tears that just keeps on giving. Made HarsherInHindsight in the following sequels that depending on the player's actions, they will also lose them as well as their friendship with the survivor crumbles with no fault but circumstances.



** The way Wrex stands away from everyone else and aimlessly fires his shotgun at the water as you apporach him does an excellent job to show his angst.

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** The way Wrex stands away from everyone else and aimlessly fires his shotgun at the water as you apporach him does an excellent job to show his angst. Despite his complete apathy over his kind and simply prefers living in the moment as a ruthless mercenary, deep inside, he's grieving of what his people have become post-genophage.



** The scene becomes even more powerful if you A: romance Liara and B: take her with you onto the Presidium battle - when Shepard climbs out the wreckage, the lighting makes it look like her face is all red and puffy from weeping.

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** The scene becomes even more powerful if you A: romance Liara and B: take her with you onto the Presidium battle - If one takes their LoveInterest, one can see that they are close to tears when Shepard climbs out the wreckage, the lighting makes it look like her face is all red and puffy from weeping.searching for Shepard.



** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking.

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** The brutal truth of what the genophage actually does. On the outside, it just sounds like a way to curb the Krogan's numbers by reducing their fertility, but then you read into it some more and find out that it's not actually making them less fertile in the sense of producing eggs and such; it interferes with the development of the fetal krogan, preventing every 999 out of 1000 from developing properly. It states that most krogan babies don't even reach the stage where they're stillborn. With the fact that not every krogan gets the chance to mate, the idea that even if you get the chance to try and have a kid and knowing that unless you're incredibly lucky the most you'll get is a stillborn son or daughter (and that's if you're lucky at all) is incredibly heartbreaking. In human standards, it's like carrying your child for nine months (which by then a human mother already form a maternal bond with the life inside them) only to see it stillborn the moment it is born which will make any hopeful and expectant human mothers drive into despair. This is AdultFear laced by this and NightmareFuel.

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* "Sovereign is too strong. I'm sorry. [[RedemptionEqualsDeath It's too late for me]]. [[DrivenToSuicide Goodbye]], Shepard...thank you." Yeah Saren was quite a bastard if you have read the pre-novels but given, that in the game only he's more of a FallenHero and is truly sorry about his betrayal, that really is a saddening scene. Even more so when Sovereign takes control of his technology-modified body after his death and you see, that he really could not have been saved.

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* "Sovereign Choosing all Paragon and Charm options when confronting Saren paints things in a more sympathetic manner when you learn he was indoctrinated. Yeah, Saren was quite a bastard if you have read the pre-novels but given, that in the game only he's more of a FallenHero and is truly sorry about his betrayal, that really is a saddening scene. Even more so when Sovereign takes control of his technology-modified body ''after'' his death. Even if you choose to tell Saren he can still redeem himself, the fact that he either allows himself to remain controlled or shoot himself to escape shows that he really could not have been saved.
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is too strong. I'm sorry. [[RedemptionEqualsDeath It's too late for me]].
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[[DrivenToSuicide Goodbye]], Shepard...thank you." Yeah Saren was quite a bastard if you have read the pre-novels but given, that in the game only he's more of a FallenHero and is truly sorry about his betrayal, that really is a saddening scene. Even more so when Sovereign takes control of his technology-modified body after his death and you see, that he really could not have been saved. "
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* The death of Admiral Kahoku. Sure, he was a minor character and it all happened in a relatively insignificant side mission, but finding him motionless on the floor, with the sad music starting when you interact with his corpse and the devastated comments from your Squaddies.....it left a bitter taste in the mouth. Especially when you consider that he just wanted to uncover the reason for the senseless death of his unit.....

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* The death of Admiral Kahoku. Sure, he was a minor character and it all happened in a relatively insignificant side mission, but finding him motionless on the floor, with the sad music starting when you interact with his corpse and the devastated comments from your Squaddies.....it left a bitter taste in the mouth. Especially when you consider that he just wanted to uncover the reason for the senseless death of his unit..... The mission also ends with tremendously mournful music.
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*** Even before that, if you pick the Paragon option in the second dialogue wheel, Shepard says that they didn't see anybody and that if they did see him they would have gone back to help him. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWhBe20a4Gs&feature=player_detailpage#t=50s You can hear the guilt in Shepard's voice.]]

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*** Even before that, if you pick the Paragon option in the second dialogue wheel, Shepard says that they didn't see anybody and that if they did see him they would have gone back to help him. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWhBe20a4Gs&feature=player_detailpage#t=50s [[https://youtu.be/NWhBe20a4Gs?t=50 You can hear the guilt in Shepard's voice.]]

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