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* There's a ForWantOfANail here: Right-Eye sets up a blind date for Redcloak, in the hopes that his older brother might put the Plan aside in exchange for a decent life. The girl in question? MsFanservice by goblin standards, has a strong interest in the theology regarding the Dark One and was very much interested in discussing the matter with Redcloak. Judging by the JawDrop, Redcloak must have been tempted to Hell and back to actually stay. But the Plan comes first and he leaves with some nice words instead. Later, though, Redcloak was ''going to reconsider'' the Plan. Start small, take his time, and maybe invite that nice girl he met for dinner so he could apologize and possibly start anew with her. '''[[DownerEnding And then Xykon turned up again]].'''
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* There's a ForWantOfANail for-want-of-a-nail here: Right-Eye sets up a blind date for Redcloak, in the hopes that his older brother might put the Plan aside in exchange for a decent life. The girl in question? MsFanservice by goblin standards, has a strong interest in the theology regarding the Dark One and was very much interested in discussing the matter with Redcloak. Judging by the JawDrop, Redcloak must have been tempted to Hell and back to actually stay. But the Plan comes first and he leaves with some nice words instead. Later, though, Redcloak was ''going to reconsider'' the Plan. Start small, take his time, and maybe invite that nice girl he met for dinner so he could apologize and possibly start anew with her. '''[[DownerEnding And then Xykon turned up again]].'''
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'''Elan:''' Yeah, but--how can I be mad at him? [[UpbringingMakesTheHero What if it had been me? Raised here?]] [[ForWantOfANail Would I be the jerk and he be the hero?]]\\
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--->'''Thor''': So many existences lost forever. [[ForWantOfANail Because we couldn't play nice]].
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--> ''Vaarsuvius'': I must not trance. It is...inefficent. Yes, it is inefficent to review the same memory over and over. [-[[SanitySlippage And over]].-]
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** Immediately before this, after the dragon is defeated and Vaarsuvius goes to explain things? Inkyruis attacks them in horror and rage, sure that their spouse must be under some kind of DemonicPossession, while the children cower in terror. The shock at realising that their own family now views them as a literal monster almost causes them to lose grip on the soul splice there and then.
--> '''Vaarsuvius''': No, Kyrie, it is I. I am your Vaarsuvius.
--> '''Inkyruis''': ....No. Not ''my'' Vaarsuvuius.
--> '''Vaarsuvius''': No, Kyrie, it is I. I am your Vaarsuvius.
--> '''Inkyruis''': ....No. Not ''my'' Vaarsuvuius.
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* "[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1125.html Throwing Shade]]" has a mind-controlled Belkar casually stabbing Blackwing, who had tried to block Vampire!Durkon's dominate by putting sunglasses on him. What really sells it is that Mr. Scruffy is upset as Blackwing lays dying.
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* "[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1125.html Throwing Shade]]" has a mind-controlled Belkar casually stabbing Blackwing, who had tried to block Vampire!Durkon's dominate the vampire's domination by putting sunglasses on him. What really sells it is that Mr. Scruffy is upset as Blackwing lays dying.
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* There's a ForWantOfANail here: Right-Eye sets up a blind date for Redcloak, in the hopes that his older brother might put the Plan aside in exchange for a decent life. The girl in question? MsFanservice by goblin standards, has a strong interest in the theology regarding the Dark One and was very much interested in discussing the matter with Redcloak. Judging by the JawDrop, Redcloak must have been tempted to Hell and back to actually stay. But the Plan comes first and he leaves with some nice words instead. Later, though, Redcloak was ''going to reconsider'' the Plan. Start small, take his time, and maybe invite that nice girl he met for dinner so he could apologize and possibly start anew with her. '''[[DownerEnding And then Xykon turned up again]].'''
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* The High Priest of Hel manipulating Roy into thinking he's really just evil-Durkon, not a dark spirit possessing Durkon all just for the of chance it might make Roy hold back in the fight. And then we discover the High Priest, from his perspective, [[HalfTruth isn't being entirely deceptive]]. As it turns out, vampiric spirits absorb the worst moments of their hosts' lives when they first spawn, so in a sense, the High Priest ''is'' how Durkon feels about the way he was when he got kicked out of the Dwarven lands for no reason he could understand. He tells this to [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech Durkon]], sending the poor guy into a HeroicBSOD and letting the High Priest focus fully on killing Roy. It's also the first time we see [[TheStoic Durkon]] crying in frustration.
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* The High Priest of Hel manipulating Roy into thinking he's really just evil-Durkon, not a dark spirit possessing Durkon all just for the of off chance it might make Roy hold back in the fight. And then we discover the High Priest, from his perspective, [[HalfTruth isn't being entirely deceptive]]. As it turns out, vampiric spirits absorb the worst moments of their hosts' lives when they first spawn, so in a sense, the High Priest ''is'' how Durkon feels about the way he was when he got kicked out of the Dwarven lands for no reason he could understand. He tells this to [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech Durkon]], sending the poor guy into a HeroicBSOD and letting the High Priest focus fully on killing Roy. It's also the first time we see [[TheStoic Durkon]] crying in frustration.
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0500.html Here]], when Roy demands that his father never visit his mother's house should he finally be allowed to enter the Lawful Good afterlife, Eugene agrees, ''easily'', and doesn't even seem to consider that a negative in the slightest. That house not only contains the spirits of his wife of 30 years, but also his 3-year-old ''son'', whom was killed by one of [[MagicMisfire Eugene's experiments gone wrong]]. Roy effectively demanded the Eugene never reconcile or seek forgiveness for his mistake towards one of his own children, and Eugene's response indicates that he never even considered trying that even if he ''had'' gotten in sooner. Roy's reaction shows subtle heartbreak that his own father truly has become that callous towards not just him and his grandfather's spirits, but towards the rest of his family as well, even the ones he ostensibly liked. Hid deal comes across as being made not for the sake of personal spite against Eugene, but as a measure of protection towards the happy family life that exists separately from him, mixed with a small dosage of SecretTestOfCharacter that Eugene failed. ''Badly''.
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0500.html Here]], when Roy demands that his father never visit his mother's house should he finally be allowed to enter the Lawful Good afterlife, Eugene agrees, ''easily'', and doesn't even seem to consider that a negative in the slightest. That house not only contains the spirits of his wife of 30 years, but also his 3-year-old ''son'', whom was killed by one of [[MagicMisfire Eugene's experiments gone wrong]]. Roy effectively demanded the Eugene never reconcile or seek forgiveness for his mistake towards one of his own children, and Eugene's response indicates that he never even considered trying that even if he ''had'' gotten in sooner. Roy's reaction shows subtle heartbreak that his own father truly has become that callous towards not just him and his grandfather's spirits, but towards the rest of his family as well, even the ones he ostensibly liked. Hid His deal comes across as being made not for the sake of personal spite against Eugene, but as a measure of protection towards the happy family life that exists separately from him, mixed with a small dosage of SecretTestOfCharacter that Eugene failed. ''Badly''.
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0500.html Here]], when Roy demands that his father never visit mom should he finally be allowed to enter the Lawful Good afterlife, Eugene agrees, ''easily''.
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0500.html Here]], when Roy demands that his father never visit mom his mother's house should he finally be allowed to enter the Lawful Good afterlife, Eugene agrees, ''easily''.''easily'', and doesn't even seem to consider that a negative in the slightest. That house not only contains the spirits of his wife of 30 years, but also his 3-year-old ''son'', whom was killed by one of [[MagicMisfire Eugene's experiments gone wrong]]. Roy effectively demanded the Eugene never reconcile or seek forgiveness for his mistake towards one of his own children, and Eugene's response indicates that he never even considered trying that even if he ''had'' gotten in sooner. Roy's reaction shows subtle heartbreak that his own father truly has become that callous towards not just him and his grandfather's spirits, but towards the rest of his family as well, even the ones he ostensibly liked. Hid deal comes across as being made not for the sake of personal spite against Eugene, but as a measure of protection towards the happy family life that exists separately from him, mixed with a small dosage of SecretTestOfCharacter that Eugene failed. ''Badly''.
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** Also because throughout the story, Right-Eye criticizes Redcloak for not correcting Xykon on his name, since he considered the nickname to be a demeaning sign of domination.
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** From Eugene's point of view, it also counts. Dealing with Roy from a position of weakness, acting like the younger sibling, Eugene has to act meek and actually hear Roy out. He has to back down because that's what Julia would do. Due to being in that position, Eugene finally admits that this is all his fault, that he feels useless not being able to help, and that he should have been the one to fix it, not his kids. The fact that he has to pretend to be Julia to show that kind of vulnerability to his own son is depressing. On top of that, while he is finally making progress owning up his mistakes, the method he is using is sure to just piss Roy off more and not help reconcile their differences.
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** An additional component of this, and one that ''may or may not'' affect the sympathy of Nale's death, is that in the end his death was [[HoistByHisOwnPetard of his own making]]. As Tarquin tells Elan, the big reasons Nale fell short as a villain were his [[SmugSnake arrogance]] and predisposition to [[EvilGloating gloat]]. It was never enough for him to simply succeed and get away; [[FatalFlaw he simply HAD to rub his victory in everyone's faces, even at the risk of undoing said victory]]. And the events leading up to his death were a textbook demonstration of that. He could have spun a plausible narrative that blamed Elan and co for Malack's death, which [[ConsummateLiar we know he's good at]], but his pride simply ''demanded'' that he boast about it to Tarquin and his friends, with no thought given to [[AndThenWhat how they would respond to his gloating or what happened next]] -- as lampshaded by Tarquin, [[WhatAnIdiot a world-class act of stupidity]]. And even when Tarquin bent over backwards trying to give Nale a way out of his impending demise, he refused it for no other reason than his ego wouldn't allow him to accept help from his father. [[HisOwnWorstEnemy Nale's worst instincts made his life needlessly painful all the way to the end]], [[VillainHasAPoint just like Tarquin said they would]].
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** An additional component of this, and one that ''may or may not'' affect the sympathy of Nale's death, is that in the end his death was [[HoistByHisOwnPetard of his own making]]. As Tarquin tells Elan, the big reasons Nale fell short as a villain were his [[SmugSnake arrogance]] and predisposition to [[EvilGloating gloat]]. It was never enough for him to simply succeed and get away; [[FatalFlaw he simply HAD to rub his victory in everyone's faces, even at the risk of undoing said victory]]. And the events leading up to his death were a textbook demonstration of that. He could have spun a plausible narrative that blamed Elan and co for Malack's death, which [[ConsummateLiar we know he's good at]], but his pride simply ''demanded'' that he boast about it to Tarquin and his friends, with no thought given to [[AndThenWhat how they would respond to his gloating or what happened next]] -- as lampshaded by Tarquin, [[WhatAnIdiot a world-class act of stupidity]].stupidity. And even when Tarquin bent over backwards trying to give Nale a way out of his impending demise, he refused it for no other reason than his ego wouldn't allow him to accept help from his father. [[HisOwnWorstEnemy Nale's worst instincts made his life needlessly painful all the way to the end]], [[VillainHasAPoint just like Tarquin said they would]].
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* [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1276.html #1276]] reveals that 'Julia' has actually been Roy's dad under an illusion spell the whole time. The entire relationship Roy has been building with his sister has been completely fabricated to manipulate him, and the real Julia likely has no idea what's happening either.
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* The consequences of the Familicide spell Dark Vaarsuvius used [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0843.html finally catch up with the Order]]: "The propensity of both dragons and humans to [[HalfHumanHybrid breed outside their species]] is well documented." ''The entire Draketooth family was related to a Black Dragon.'' [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Which will now prevent the Order of the Stick from directly finding the Gate.]] Even worse than that, Familicide did not only kill the Draketooths. It killed anyone that was related to them by blood. And the Draketooths happened to be scoundrels who propagated by seducing random bystanders and absconding with the resulting children. All those bystanders are now dead - along with every living member of ''their'' families! ''And there is no reason to believe that they're an isolated case.'' What really sells it is V's expression. The Order may forgive them, but they [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone never will]].
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* The consequences of the Familicide spell Dark Vaarsuvius used [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0843.html finally catch up with the Order]]: "The propensity of both dragons and humans to [[HalfHumanHybrid breed outside their species]] is well documented." ''The entire Draketooth family was related to a Black Dragon.'' [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Which will now prevent the Order of the Stick from directly finding the Gate.]] Even worse than that, Familicide did not only kill the Draketooths. It killed anyone that was related to them by blood. And the Draketooths happened to be scoundrels who propagated by seducing random bystanders and absconding with the resulting children. All those bystanders are now dead - along with every living member of ''their'' families! ''And there is no reason to believe that they're an isolated case.'' What really sells it is V's expression. The Order may forgive them, but they [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone will never will]].forgive themselves]].
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''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is a rare comic that can have some hilarious meta/Fourth Wall jokes (and a couple of [[LampshadeHanging Lampshadings]]) and then successfully pull off a heart-wrenching scene ''in the same page''.
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** Notice also that Serini is using AffectionateNickname for them, cementing her position as TheHeart of her party. The only reason the party dismantled peacefully and not killed each other was because Serini cared about all of them and all of them cared about Serini.
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** It also suddenly throws the [[JerkassGod apathetic]] attitude of the yes-voting gods on the subject of destroying the world into stark relief; they aren't petty. [[SafetyInIndifference They're]] ''[[DespairEventHorizon numb]].''
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** It also suddenly throws the [[JerkassGod [[JerkassGods apathetic]] attitude of the yes-voting gods on the subject of destroying the world into stark relief; they aren't petty. [[SafetyInIndifference They're]] ''[[DespairEventHorizon numb]].''
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** The happy ending illusion itself. First, long-dead secondary characters are alive and well, due to the Order members not knowing that they're dead. Second, it's pretty obvious that the person (or someone if it's collective) whose illusion is shown would have preferred Durkon to be alive and Belkar to be dead rather than the other way around.
** Everybody under the spell gets their happy ending. Haley is shown rolling in gold and helping her father take over the Thieves' Guild, which Roy wouldn't know anything about. Elan makes peace with his family, something the other two don't see as a happy ending. Roy gets to rub his swords-are-better-than-magic philosophy in his sister's face, something the other two wouldn't know would be a part of his happy ending. Clearly, there is no one point of view; everybody under the spell gets their happy ending. Belkar is dead, but he's happily chilling out in FluffyCloudHeaven cooking yummies for Lord Shojo, who's giving tummy rubs to Mr. Scruffy.
*** At Belkar's funeral, Roy and Varsuuvius are ''walking away''. They don't care enough even to stay as long as Elan has.
** Everybody under the spell gets their happy ending. Haley is shown rolling in gold and helping her father take over the Thieves' Guild, which Roy wouldn't know anything about. Elan makes peace with his family, something the other two don't see as a happy ending. Roy gets to rub his swords-are-better-than-magic philosophy in his sister's face, something the other two wouldn't know would be a part of his happy ending. Clearly, there is no one point of view; everybody under the spell gets their happy ending. Belkar is dead, but he's happily chilling out in FluffyCloudHeaven cooking yummies for Lord Shojo, who's giving tummy rubs to Mr. Scruffy.
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** The happy ending illusion itself. First, long-dead secondary characters are alive and well, due to the Order members not knowing that they're dead. Second, it's pretty obvious that the person (or someone if it's collective) whose Roy, Haley and/or Elan (the illusion is shown in that strip is shared between the three of them) would have preferred Durkon to be alive and Belkar to be dead rather than the other way around.
** Everybody under the spell gets their happy ending. Haley is shown rolling in gold and helping her father take over the Thieves' Guild, which Roy wouldn't know anything about. Elan makes peace with his family, something the other two don't see as a happy ending. Roy gets to rub his swords-are-better-than-magic philosophy in his sister's face, something the other two wouldn't know would be a part of his happy ending. Clearly, there is no one point of view; everybody under the spell gets their happy ending. Belkar is dead, but he's happily chilling out in FluffyCloudHeaven cooking yummies for Lord Shojo, who's giving tummy rubs to Mr. Scruffy.
*** At Belkar's funeral, Roy and Varsuuvius are is ''walking away''. They don't away'' (and so's V, but he's a part of the illusion). He doesn't care enough even to stay as long as Elan has.
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*** And Belkar's "[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0890.html happy ending]]" is actually Mr. Scruffy's fantasy -- being with Lord Shojo again and Belkar being their cook. Without Mr. Scruffy, Belkar would have never considered a peaceful life, as his life had been utterly devoted to meaningless violence. This fantasy isn't even possible as [[DiedHappilyEverAfter an afterlife]] - Shojo is Chaotic Good and Belkar is Chaotic Evil; even if the latter will switch to Chaotic Neutral at some point, [[HellOfAHeaven their afterlives are incompatible]]. And Roy unknowingly rubs it in, declaring he doesn't want to hear about Belkar's fantasies about "[[BreadEggsBreadedEggs stabbing and whores, and whores stabbing whores who stab whores]]." It could be taken that ''Belkar'' didn't know what he really wanted until Mr. Scruffy introduced him to it. He even confesses to it during a drunken rant where Roy thinks all he wants is to make things more miserable for everyone else.
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*** And Belkar's "[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0890.html happy ending]]" is actually Mr. Scruffy's fantasy -- being with Lord Shojo again and Belkar being their cook. Without Mr. Scruffy, Belkar would have never considered a peaceful life, as his life had been utterly devoted to meaningless violence. This fantasy isn't even possible as [[DiedHappilyEverAfter an afterlife]] - Shojo is Chaotic Good and Belkar is Chaotic Evil; even if the latter will switch to Chaotic Neutral at some point, [[HellOfAHeaven their afterlives are incompatible]]. And Roy unknowingly rubs it in, declaring he doesn't want to hear about Belkar's fantasies about "[[BreadEggsBreadedEggs stabbing and whores, and whores stabbing whores who stab whores]]." It could be taken that ''Belkar'' didn't know what he really wanted until Mr. Scruffy introduced him to it. He even confesses to it during a drunken rant in ''Utterly Dwarfed'''s denouement where Roy thinks all he wants is to make things more miserable for everyone else.
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* Serini finally revealing just how much SurvivorGuilt she has in [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1249.html #1249]]:
-->'''Serini:''' You don't understand. Xykon is unbeatable, period! He beat Dorukan and Lirian!\\
'''Lien:''' And you! You think he's unbeatable just because he beat '''''you'''''!\\
'''Serini:''' Of course I think that! He ripped me apart like I was a bundle of twigs! Dor and Liri were so much '''''better''''' than me, and he killed them both! [[NotWorthKilling I'm only alive because I wasn't important enough for him to make sure I was dead!]]
-->'''Serini:''' You don't understand. Xykon is unbeatable, period! He beat Dorukan and Lirian!\\
'''Lien:''' And you! You think he's unbeatable just because he beat '''''you'''''!\\
'''Serini:''' Of course I think that! He ripped me apart like I was a bundle of twigs! Dor and Liri were so much '''''better''''' than me, and he killed them both! [[NotWorthKilling I'm only alive because I wasn't important enough for him to make sure I was dead!]]
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* The consequences of the Familicide spell Dark Vaarsuvius used [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0843.html finally catch up with the Order]]: "The propensity of both dragons and humans to [[HalfHumanHybrid breed outside their species]] is well documented." ''The entire Draketooth family was related to a Black Dragon.'' [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Which will now prevent the Order of the Stick from directly finding the Gate.]] Even worse than that, Familicide did not only kill the Draketooths. It killed anyone that was related to them by blood. And the Draketooths happened to be scoundrels who propagated by seducing random bystanders and absconding with the resulting children. All those bystanders are now dead - along with every living member of ''their'' families! ''And there is no reason to believe that they're an isolated case.'' What really sells it is V's expression. The Order may forgive him/her, but s/he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone never will]].
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* The consequences of the Familicide spell Dark Vaarsuvius used [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0843.html finally catch up with the Order]]: "The propensity of both dragons and humans to [[HalfHumanHybrid breed outside their species]] is well documented." ''The entire Draketooth family was related to a Black Dragon.'' [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Which will now prevent the Order of the Stick from directly finding the Gate.]] Even worse than that, Familicide did not only kill the Draketooths. It killed anyone that was related to them by blood. And the Draketooths happened to be scoundrels who propagated by seducing random bystanders and absconding with the resulting children. All those bystanders are now dead - along with every living member of ''their'' families! ''And there is no reason to believe that they're an isolated case.'' What really sells it is V's expression. The Order may forgive him/her, them, but s/he they [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone never will]].
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** After a few instances of confusion as to whether she's a demon or a devil, Sabine was confirmed to be a succubus, which according to some versions of the rules is a demon, i.e. an embodiment of Chaotic Evil. Nale was ''Lawful'' Evil; if those rules apply she can't even see him in Hell.
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* The climax of the comic, particularly Right-Eye's [[FamousLastWords last words]]. "Goodbye, Brother." "Goodbye... Redcloak." ''Major'' DownerEnding.
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* Qarr taunting Vaarsuvius with the horrific consequences of their Familicide, using the term "history's worst mass murderer" as V is curled up in a ball sobbing. Blackwing isn't any help either since the only rebuttal he gives is that "history isn't over yet", which means that Blackwing technically ''agrees'' with Qarr. From the same comic, Vaarsuvius casually mentioning that "Master Thundershield" should have Raised one of the Draketooths by now. Cringe-inducing since we know how sad V will be upon finding out about Durkon. Possibly to the point of another HeroicBSOD if it occurs to V that it might not have happened had the Draketooths still been alive when the Order & the LG arrived at the pyramid, or if V had been present for Durkon's fight with Malack.
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* Qarr taunting Vaarsuvius with the horrific consequences of their Familicide, using the term "history's worst mass murderer" as V is curled up in a ball sobbing. Blackwing isn't any help either since the only rebuttal he gives is that "history isn't over yet", which means that Blackwing technically ''agrees'' with Qarr. From the same comic, Vaarsuvius casually mentioning that "Master Thundershield" should have Raised one of the Draketooths by now. Cringe-inducing since we know how sad V will be upon finding out about Durkon. Possibly to the point of another HeroicBSOD if it occurs to V that it might not have happened had the Draketooths still been alive when the Order & the LG arrived at the pyramid, or if V had been present for Durkon's fight with Malack.
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* Qarr taunting Vaarsuvius with the horrific consequences of his Familicide, using the term "history's worst mass murderer" as V is curled up in a ball sobbing. Blackwing isn't any help either since the only rebuttal he gives is that "history isn't over yet", which means that Blackwing technically ''agrees'' with Qarr. From the same comic, Vaarsuvius casually mentioning that "Master Thundershield" should have Raised one of the Draketooths by now. Cringe-inducing since we know how sad V will be upon finding out about Durkon. Possibly to the point of another HeroicBSOD if it occurs to V that it might not have happened had the Draketooths still been alive when the Order & the LG arrived at the pyramid, or if V had been present for Durkon's fight with Malack.
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* Qarr taunting Vaarsuvius with the horrific consequences of his their Familicide, using the term "history's worst mass murderer" as V is curled up in a ball sobbing. Blackwing isn't any help either since the only rebuttal he gives is that "history isn't over yet", which means that Blackwing technically ''agrees'' with Qarr. From the same comic, Vaarsuvius casually mentioning that "Master Thundershield" should have Raised one of the Draketooths by now. Cringe-inducing since we know how sad V will be upon finding out about Durkon. Possibly to the point of another HeroicBSOD if it occurs to V that it might not have happened had the Draketooths still been alive when the Order & the LG arrived at the pyramid, or if V had been present for Durkon's fight with Malack.
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* "[[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0893.html Closing In]]": It's subtle, but Roy's reaction to seeing Durkon after his vampirization for the first time is this. All he can do is close his eyes and [[SayMyName whisper his friend's name.]]
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* Durkon talks to Thor about how goblinoids got a raw deal about being created to be XP fodder, and Thor corrects him: that wasn't intentional, so much as [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1232.html their creator forgot about them altogether]], leading to their current, miserable state, because [[TheGodsMustBeLazy Fenris]] couldn't be bothered to actually keep an eye on them. They are literally the abandoned and neglected children of the cosmos, and it really ''doesn't'' make the Dark One's bitterness come off as any less valid.
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--->'''Nale:''' Now, Haley! Sneak attack from behind!\\
'''Elan:''' Huh?\\
'''Haley:''' Ysy?[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] Huh?[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' Oh my, you really haven't realized it yet. I would have thought bursting in on the two of us "in flagrante delicto", as it were, would have made it clear.\\
'''Elan:''' Made what clear?\\
'''Nale:''' Don't you see, Elan? Your precious Haley is evil, just like me. She's been working for me all along. She's been my spy, infiltrating the Order of the Stick before you and I even met face-to-face. I learned of you from our father, and Haley and I orchestrated events to destroy you on every possible level.\\
'''Elan:''' That's silly. You can't really expect me to believe something so-\\
'''Nale:''' "Needlessly complicated?"\\
'''Elan:''' Oh. Right.\\
'''Haley:''' Des'ql rew we il obuupmr al. Lgfm, des'xl mew isdpmr wypv, fxl des???[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] You've got to be kidding me. Elan, you're not buying this, are you???[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' No, darling, no point in hiding our relationship now.\\
'''Elan:''' You can understand her?\\
'''Nale:''' Of course! That's Infernal she's been speaking--the language of the devils. Naturally, we've been lovers for years. That kiss was merely our evil celebration of your demise.\\
'''Elan:''' I... I don't believe you. You're lying!\\
'''Nale:''' Come now, the signs are obvious.\\
'''Haley:''' Ufam vwxfpryw, yl'v gdpmr![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] Damn straight, he's lying![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' She can't control her wicked lust for wealth, can she? And that dress! Is that really the dress of someone who's NOT an evil temptress?\\
'''Haley:''' Yl iesryw al wypv uxlvv! Neal em, kesgu FMD keafm NYEEVL we klfx wypv wypmr?[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] He bought me this dress! Come on, would ANY woman CHOOSE to wear this thing?[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' She let you rot in prison. Shouldn't she have known? Wasn't she the smart one in the party?\\
'''Haley:''' Me! P'a mew! P'a vwsjpu! P'a ve vwsjpu![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] No! I'm not! I'm stupid! I'm so stupid![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' Face it, Brother. This tramp has been playing you for months, you gullible sap.\\
'''Elan:''' Haley... This... isn't true, right? He's just making it up?\\
'''Haley:''' Ec nesxvl mew! Wypv pv fivsxu! P'a Nyfewpn Reeu! ... Pvy![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] Of course not! This is absurd! I'm Chaotic Good! ... Ish![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' Well, I guess you have your answer there on her face. She does not look happy that I'm blowing her cover.
** And just as the doubts take root in Elan's mind, the embodiment of Haley's self-loathing shows up, and Nale just keeps making things worse for her. Until...
--->'''Haley:''' Kyd fxl des gpvwlmpnr me ypa?? Yl'v wyl QPGGFPM![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] Why are you listening to him?? He's the VILLAIN![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' He's listening to Nale because you don't have the ability to raise any objection, you pathetic sack of crap. Should have listened to me when you had the chance.\\
'''Nale:''' And you, dressed up like a little hero to save the day. Too bad your princess here has been laughing at you behind your back all along.\\
'''Elan:''' Laughing...?\\
'''Nale:''' Oh yes. Laughing '''at''' you, not '''with''' you.\\
'''Haley:''' Me, P yfqpl'm![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] No, I haven't![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' Look at him, using that Bluff skill to turn Elan against us. [-Hey, don't you have ranks in Bluff? It's been so long, I barely remember.-]\\
'''Nale:''' The switch was Haley's idea, you know. She told me she couldn't stand to be near your incessant idiocy for one more day. ''[Elan looks crestfallen]''\\
'''Haley:''' ''[in tears of growing panic]'' Des yfql we ilgplql al! Yl'v gdpmr![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] You have to believe me! He's lying![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' Well, looks like this is it. The end. The curtain falls on your schoolgirl delusions of romance. Any hope of him loving you is shriveling up as we speak. [-Well, as '''I''' speak, at least.-]\\
'''Nale:''' Doesn't that just make you so... '''angry'''? ''[casts...]'' (Suggestion.)\\
'''Elan:''' ''[as the spell takes effect]'' Actually, yeah! It does! I went through all this to save you, and you were a bad guy the whole time!\\
'''Haley:''' ''[horrified]'' Kyfw?? Me! ME!![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] What?? No! NO!![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' Yup, listen to that. He's buying it. He thinks you're evil now. [[PunctuatedForEmphasis Told. You. So.]]\\
'''Nale:''' Very, very angry...\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' He'll never forgive you.\\
'''Elan:''' You're worse than Nale is!\\
'''Haley:''' ''[tears streaming down her cheeks]'' P nfm'w...[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] I can't...[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' He'll learn to hate you.\\
'''Haley:''' ... wypmo...[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] ... think...[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Elan:''' I never want to see you--\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' And then he'll leave.\\
'''Haley:''' P nfm'w gevl ypa... P--P wyesryw...[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] I can't lose him... I--I thought...[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' Just like everyone else--\\
'''Nale:''' Angry enough to kill, even...\\
'''Haley:''' P wyesryw--[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] I thought--[[/labelnote]] I THOUGHT HE WAS YOU! ''[with a "snap!", the Suggestion spell breaks]'' [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove I'M IN LOVE WITH YOU AND I THOUGHT I WAS KISSING YOU!!]]\\
''[Haley covers her mouth as Elan stands in open-mouthed amazement]''
'''Elan:''' Huh?\\
'''Haley:''' Ysy?[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] Huh?[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' Oh my, you really haven't realized it yet. I would have thought bursting in on the two of us "in flagrante delicto", as it were, would have made it clear.\\
'''Elan:''' Made what clear?\\
'''Nale:''' Don't you see, Elan? Your precious Haley is evil, just like me. She's been working for me all along. She's been my spy, infiltrating the Order of the Stick before you and I even met face-to-face. I learned of you from our father, and Haley and I orchestrated events to destroy you on every possible level.\\
'''Elan:''' That's silly. You can't really expect me to believe something so-\\
'''Nale:''' "Needlessly complicated?"\\
'''Elan:''' Oh. Right.\\
'''Haley:''' Des'ql rew we il obuupmr al. Lgfm, des'xl mew isdpmr wypv, fxl des???[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] You've got to be kidding me. Elan, you're not buying this, are you???[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' No, darling, no point in hiding our relationship now.\\
'''Elan:''' You can understand her?\\
'''Nale:''' Of course! That's Infernal she's been speaking--the language of the devils. Naturally, we've been lovers for years. That kiss was merely our evil celebration of your demise.\\
'''Elan:''' I... I don't believe you. You're lying!\\
'''Nale:''' Come now, the signs are obvious.\\
'''Haley:''' Ufam vwxfpryw, yl'v gdpmr![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] Damn straight, he's lying![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' She can't control her wicked lust for wealth, can she? And that dress! Is that really the dress of someone who's NOT an evil temptress?\\
'''Haley:''' Yl iesryw al wypv uxlvv! Neal em, kesgu FMD keafm NYEEVL we klfx wypv wypmr?[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] He bought me this dress! Come on, would ANY woman CHOOSE to wear this thing?[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' She let you rot in prison. Shouldn't she have known? Wasn't she the smart one in the party?\\
'''Haley:''' Me! P'a mew! P'a vwsjpu! P'a ve vwsjpu![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] No! I'm not! I'm stupid! I'm so stupid![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' Face it, Brother. This tramp has been playing you for months, you gullible sap.\\
'''Elan:''' Haley... This... isn't true, right? He's just making it up?\\
'''Haley:''' Ec nesxvl mew! Wypv pv fivsxu! P'a Nyfewpn Reeu! ... Pvy![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] Of course not! This is absurd! I'm Chaotic Good! ... Ish![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Nale:''' Well, I guess you have your answer there on her face. She does not look happy that I'm blowing her cover.
** And just as the doubts take root in Elan's mind, the embodiment of Haley's self-loathing shows up, and Nale just keeps making things worse for her. Until...
--->'''Haley:''' Kyd fxl des gpvwlmpnr me ypa?? Yl'v wyl QPGGFPM![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] Why are you listening to him?? He's the VILLAIN![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' He's listening to Nale because you don't have the ability to raise any objection, you pathetic sack of crap. Should have listened to me when you had the chance.\\
'''Nale:''' And you, dressed up like a little hero to save the day. Too bad your princess here has been laughing at you behind your back all along.\\
'''Elan:''' Laughing...?\\
'''Nale:''' Oh yes. Laughing '''at''' you, not '''with''' you.\\
'''Haley:''' Me, P yfqpl'm![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] No, I haven't![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' Look at him, using that Bluff skill to turn Elan against us. [-Hey, don't you have ranks in Bluff? It's been so long, I barely remember.-]\\
'''Nale:''' The switch was Haley's idea, you know. She told me she couldn't stand to be near your incessant idiocy for one more day. ''[Elan looks crestfallen]''\\
'''Haley:''' ''[in tears of growing panic]'' Des yfql we ilgplql al! Yl'v gdpmr![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] You have to believe me! He's lying![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' Well, looks like this is it. The end. The curtain falls on your schoolgirl delusions of romance. Any hope of him loving you is shriveling up as we speak. [-Well, as '''I''' speak, at least.-]\\
'''Nale:''' Doesn't that just make you so... '''angry'''? ''[casts...]'' (Suggestion.)\\
'''Elan:''' ''[as the spell takes effect]'' Actually, yeah! It does! I went through all this to save you, and you were a bad guy the whole time!\\
'''Haley:''' ''[horrified]'' Kyfw?? Me! ME!![[labelnote:Cryptogram]] What?? No! NO!![[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' Yup, listen to that. He's buying it. He thinks you're evil now. [[PunctuatedForEmphasis Told. You. So.]]\\
'''Nale:''' Very, very angry...\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' He'll never forgive you.\\
'''Elan:''' You're worse than Nale is!\\
'''Haley:''' ''[tears streaming down her cheeks]'' P nfm'w...[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] I can't...[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' He'll learn to hate you.\\
'''Haley:''' ... wypmo...[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] ... think...[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Elan:''' I never want to see you--\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' And then he'll leave.\\
'''Haley:''' P nfm'w gevl ypa... P--P wyesryw...[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] I can't lose him... I--I thought...[[/labelnote]]\\
'''Haley's Self-Loathing:''' Just like everyone else--\\
'''Nale:''' Angry enough to kill, even...\\
'''Haley:''' P wyesryw--[[labelnote:Cryptogram]] I thought--[[/labelnote]] I THOUGHT HE WAS YOU! ''[with a "snap!", the Suggestion spell breaks]'' [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove I'M IN LOVE WITH YOU AND I THOUGHT I WAS KISSING YOU!!]]\\
''[Haley covers her mouth as Elan stands in open-mouthed amazement]''
