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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, ''The Incredibles'' version of this is ''Suddenly Super'' (released in August 2023 for UK and Australian readers, and set for a 2024 US release for the first film's 20th anniversary). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' And its even more downright heartbreaking than the film:
*** What starts the plot off? We see poor EmoTeen Violet at a teenage party she wanted to go initially (mainly to woo Tony Rydinger who's also there), but wanted no part in due to her severe social anxiety because it's a teen party (which likely includes alcohol beverages), the added peer pressure from the teens egging her to ask Tony out on a date causes Violet to have a mental breakdown and accidentally turns invisible in front of the entire partygoers, scaring everyone (including Tony) off and being labeled as a freak by everyone (all but forcing Dicker to wipe all of the teens' memories of the incident). Helen at first comforts Violet over getting over her anxiety at asking Tony out, but when Violet reveals to her mom that she used her powers in front of everyone at the party, Helen immediately and angrily grounds Violet indefinitely that ultimately leads to a nasty argument between the two where Violet outright hates her mom and wished she never had powers and wants nothing to do with her anymore. Her mom then grounds her more for talking back and threatens to hire the one babysitter Violet can't stand in Mrs. Caruso (in Violet's own words Mrs. Licorice), if she doesn't apologize. Violet tearfully relents and Helen orders her to watch Dash and Jack-Jack while she leaves for Bob's conference, stating that Violet babysitting her unruly brothers is more than fitting enough for punishment. Unbeknownst to Violet, it's her last proper conversation with her mom before the events go off the rail.
*** Then days pass with no word back from her mom, then Mirage (Syndrome's lackey) suddenly arrives to give the Parr siblings the worst news: ''Your parents are dead!'' Dash and Jack-Jack break down crying upon hearing the news, with Violet absolutely shocked as the last conversation she had with her mom was being told to watch the kids, which ended poorly and vowing never to speak to her again. It's when Mirage tells them that their parents were secretly superheroing behind their backs and offers Violet a job as a superhero. Violet realizing she has no other choice accepts the job instantly with Dash beaming with excitement at finally getting the opportunity to be a Super, knowing that the money is more important to keep them afloat. Shortly before they're attacked by hired goons sent to capture the kids (secretly on Syndrome's orders, in case they resisted).
*** Violet being manipulated by her new boss Syndrome who tells her, ''I'm your father's biggest fan!'' in order to convince her to work for him...and Violet falls for it as she decides to honor her deceased father.
*** Then Violet starts going through her anxiety issues that affects her performance against Syndrome's Omnidroids during her first true battle and is immediately beaten and bloodied horribly that she starts crying and giving up, it's not until Syndrome secretly threatens to order the Omnidroid to kill Dash and Jack-Jack that Violet realizes the danger she and her siblings are in that she starts getting over them and performing her job, with her Force Fields growing stronger to resist the blows untill she discovers it's main weakness in itself.
*** Violet tearfully considers killing herself after her first mission against the Omnidroids goes horribly, desperately wanting her life taken away and was about to go through with it by putting a Force Field inside her head and inflating it until it popped (a {{Foreshadowing}} of Syndrome's fate). Dash talks her down like the optimistic little brother he is and decides to try his hand at the Omnidroids to cheer her up and redeem her for her efforts.
*** Dash getting the opportunity to fight the Omnidroids immediately blows up in his face and he's left badly bloodied, and crying from the onslaught, a horrified Violet immediately breaks down into big sister mode and subs in for him and defeats the Omnidroid.
*** Violet begins to bond with Syndrome's minion Mirage where she gets to know her not as a fellow employee but as a human being, Mirage explains and opens up that she wanted to be an actress and breaks down crying when she was rejected by Brad Bird's company, that lead to her taking a job with Syndrome. Violet is understandably moved by this to the point she calls Mirage ''mom'' by accident, causing Mirage to get embarrassed and Violet emotional realizing that if her mom was alive she'd apologize to her for doing what she did. It also slowly tips to Violet that Syndrome isn't who he say he is.
*** Syndrome offers Violet a job to steal the Nullifier from the Mastermind (who is revealed to be the real killer of Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl) while revealing that it can take powers away, Violet immediately accepts this offer and vows to bring the Mastermind to justice. While secretly planning to use the Nullifier on herself so she can live a normal life.
*** Violet and her battle with the Mastermind upon sneaking in and stealing the Nullifier while invisible on her first try, ultimately it's where the villian reveals everything to Violet that she's being used by her boss and her boss is secretly using her as his evil sidekick. Violet is able to escape while the villian proudly congratulates her and sees her much like her parents who she fought during the Glory Days. However because she's a villain Violet doesn't buy her words that Syndrome's evil.
*** Upon returning, Syndrome is understandably angry that Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl escaped his Nigel Lair and have gone into hiding and is forced to keep his voice down when Violet and Dash walks in. He's absolutely shocked and saddened to hear when Violet requests to have her be the first one to use the Nullifier on herself as she wants to retire from heroics permanently as she doesn't share the same love of Supers he does. Syndrome decides to let her use it for a while in case she changes her mind.
*** Helen upon hiding out with Frozone's family, has a horrible HeelRealization on how awful she treated Violet and wants to go and find her as does Bob so she can apologize, but Frozone orders them not to leave the house as Syndrome is after them, leaving them disheartened.
*** Violet is finally happy after losing her powers and upon seeing Dash, she starts going mad with power over having ''normalcy'' and wants her family to be ''normal'' forever and immediately attacks Dash on trying to remove his powers by force with the Nullifier. Dash in response tearfully '''disowns''' Violet after kicking her off over this with her disowning him back, effectively breaking up the Parr family siblings with poor Jack-Jack crying over his siblings fighting.
*** Mirage is understandably angry and horrified with Violet's actions that got her relationship with Dash completely destroyed by giving her one hell of a WhatTheHellHero and YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre speech, with Violet (now depowered) stating she has no family, outright hates superheroes and that her powers made her a freak that all but destroyed her one shot with Tony Rydinger. Mirage tells her that's just exactly what a supervillain would say at their StartOfDarkness and that she finally spills the beans on her parents, revealing that they're alive and well in Nigel's Lair, and what Violet did to herself would be dishonouring her parents by trying to live a normal life. Upon arriving, they find the lair empty, which tips off Mirage and Violet that someone close to them freed them (revealing it to be Frozone's doing). Violet confronts Mirage on what Syndrome is really like as a person and Mirage tells her that Syndrome is irredeemably evil and is using Violet and her siblings to have his own pair of sidekicks to spite her father in order to hurt his legacy, Mirage also tells her that she stood up for her own brother Dash, fought and survived her boss's Omnidroids against all odds and most notably outsmarted and stole the Nullifier on her first try from her parents' old enemy the Mastermind, horrified by what she did to herself, Violet restores her powers and Dash (who overheard the two talking as he trailed them) tearfully arrives to apologize to Violet, realizing that she was scared and was only looking out for their well being.
*** Unfortunately Syndrome arrives and immediately attacks Violet, Mirage and the kids and steals the Nullifier from Violet with the help of his Omnidroids, finally dropping the ruse, he then decides the time has come for Violet to fulfill her mission of killing her parents and having him as his sidekick by subjugated her to a device that turns people evil against their will. With ''Violet'' herself being the first victim.
*** Violet begins to undergo a FaceHeelTurn against her will with Syndrome spilling lies, deceit and hatred into her mind as she struggles to resist the machine's power, Mirage reveals to Dash that it's the machine that robbed her of her acting dreams. By the time the procedure is complete, ''Violet'' steps out with a devilish evil grin complete with an EvilLaugh that's just bone chilling. Showing that even the daughter of Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl is not immune to corruption.
*** Syndrome ordering Violet to ''kill'' Mirage. It's the stepping stone that turns Mirage against him as Syndrome saw the machine wasn't as full proof on Mirage when she mentions how her acting dreams were shattered and saw her as expendable. Leading to Dash and Violet fighting briefly with Dash crying for the real Violet to remember the good times.
*** Violet and Dash's fight ultimately ends with Dash knocking his sister out as he breaks down sobbing as does Jack-Jack, with Mirage hugging the boys tightly. Violet then has a battle within her own ''mindscape'' with her good self fighting against her now evil counterpart with her evil self gloating and bullying her good self, who is shy, terrified and utterly defenseless. It's not until all of her good memories of the past (hiding behind the school wall waiting for Tony for him to look at her (while she turned invisible), her parents, her protecting Dash and bonding with Mirage) is what ultimately redeems Violet as her good self regains her confidence and banishes her evil self from her mindscape.
*** Violet wakes up and immediately breaks down crying for what she nearly did to Mirage. Mirage and her immediately reconciles with Dash and Jack-Jack hugging the terrified, but now confident Violet and Mirage telling her of a plan to defeat Syndrome for good by having them pretending to be his loyal minions. They then use a plane to get to Metroville to stop Syndrome.
*** Syndrome attacks the Parr's and Frozone at Lucius' apartment and has Frozone's niece Lucy held hostage, revealing she was faking her voice as the Mastermind while she was fighting Violet. Then he depowers Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone, he then orders his Omnidroids to rough them up a bit, leaving them bloodied and injured.
*** The kids and Mirage arrive at their neighborhood and finds their small neighborhood overrun with weaker Omnidroids, Violet drops Jack-Jack off at Kari's house and asks Kari [=McKeen=] to watch over Jack-Jack for her while she goes out to fight crime (unaware that the real Violet is a Super). Unfortunately while babysitting the tyke Kari accidentally triggers Jack-Jack's powers by playing Mozart music leaving her terrified, crying and broken.
*** Syndrome begins to gloat menacingly over the badly injured Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone with him revealing that he succeeded in turning their kids evil and into their most hated enemies that will be the ones to kill them. This immediately causes great pings of pain to Bob and Helen (with them threatening to kill him), Helen breaks down crying and with unrestrained fury in her eyes. Then the kids arrive and their fears are realized. Violet and Dash are evil and there's no turning back.
*** Violet and Dash (who is faking his FaceHeelTurn) looking at their defeated parents and Uncle Frozone pretending to be loyal to Syndrome, Dash is doing his hardest to not cry where as Violet is unresponsive before giving off an evil smirk (a clear sign she wasn't fully cured of her evilness) that breaks her parents down and it appears Violet's going to outright murder her parents until she hesitates. Syndrome upon seeing Violet's love for her parents as a weakness orders his Omnidroid (V9) to impale Mr. Incredible that suddenly causes Violet to snap and attack her boss with Dash stripping Syndrome of the Nullifier behind his back while Violet is busy fighting him and restores Bob his powers just in time before the Omnidroid kills him.
*** Upon realizing his own sidekicks betrayed him and his own loyal minion Mirage are in cahoots with the Parrs, Syndrome immediately flees to go and kidnap Jack-Jack, unaware his entire powers have been activated thanks to Kari. The Parrs arrive to watch the carnage of seeing Jack-Jack go to town on the madman with all 17 powers, and the parents quickly snatch the rampaging baby before he could murder Syndrome.
*** Unfortunately for the parents, it's at that point Violet finally hits her breaking point when Syndrome starts manipulating her into attacking him and she immediately goes right for Syndrome's throat over his abuse, delivering one of the most savaging NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever by punching and beating his face repeatedly that leaves the mad fanboy turned supervillain unrecognizable and bloodied to the limit. It's very telling when Violet's own parents, little brother Dash, Mirage, Frozone and Lucy are all sickened by what they're playing witness to and tearfully begging Violet to stop what she's doing and that she's doing what Syndrome wanted her to do: ''becoming him''. Violet stops and sees how much damage she did to Syndrome's face in her unstoppable fury, but Syndrome in his usual gloating self (despite his horrible condition) threatens to come back to kidnap Jack-Jack and will always haunt Violet wherever she goes as long he lives. Then in one of the most darkest and violent scenes in the Twisted Tales books, Violet lifts Syndrome's body up with her Force Field and then she starts inflating the mad fanboy's head from the inside out with a Force Field until it violently explodes in a shower of blood that fills up the Force Field. That's right ''Violet Parr outright committed murder in cold blood''. And her family, Mirage and Frozone are deeply disturbed by what just happened and Lucy who's one of Violet's closest friends is outright traumatized and fearful of her. Upon recovering, Violet immediately breaks down crying over what she just did to Syndrome, even though he deserved every single minute of it. With Helen and Mirage comforting her over the irreversible life changing act. Rick Dicker is aghast over seeing what Violet just did to Syndrome, but agrees to cover up Violet's killing of the evil villain to protect Violet's legacy.
*** Mirage tearfully saying goodbye to Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack and revealing that she's still evil and will oppose them going forward, Violet in repayment for everything Mirage did for her and her family asks Lucy to put in a call for the Mastermind to set Mirage up for another job. Even though Lucy can't forgive Violet for murder.
*** The Mastermind happily accepts the Nullifier back from Violet and her family, and is shocked and saddened to hear that Violet killed Syndrome with her own bare hands, even though he was planning genocide against Violet's kind something the Mastermind opposes. She still disapproves of seeing Violet, a heroic Super outright stoop to murdering a human being, even if he deserved it.
*** The ending of ''Suddenly Super'' is downright heartbreaking despite it being bittersweet: Syndrome is finally dead (though considering that he was murdered in cold blood by Violet, her life is irreversibly damaged despite finally getting a chance to be happy with Tony, who's unaware of Violet's crime since he doesn't remember her), because the FinalBattle didn't take place in the city means that the Parrs don't meet Winston Deavor as it was the publicity of Syndrome's invasion on Metroville that got the government to take notice. Without meeting Winston, the Parrs are on the verge of facing ''homelessness'', his sister Evelyn Deavor outright [[TheBadGuyWins wins in this timeline]], and the Parrs now have to watch out for the Mastermind (whom Mirage is now working for) who now has plans for them, especially for Violet who's now the black sheep of the Parr family after murdering Syndrome.
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*** Violet and Dash's fight ultimately ends with Dash knocking his sister out as he breaks down sobbing as does Jack-Jack, with Mirage hugging the duo tightly. Violet then has a BattleInsideTheMind with her good self fighting against her now evil counterpart with her evil self gloating and bullying her good self. It's not until all of her good memories of the past (hiding behind the school wall waiting for Tony for him to look at her (while she turned invisible), her parents, her protecting Dash and bonding with Mirage) is what ultimately redeems Violet.
*** Violet wakes up and immediately breaks down crying for what she nearly did to Mirage. Mirage and her immediately reconciles and telling her of a plan to defeat Syndrome for good. They then use a plane to get to Metroville to stop Syndrome.

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*** Violet and Dash's fight ultimately ends with Dash knocking his sister out as he breaks down sobbing as does Jack-Jack, with Mirage hugging the duo boys tightly. Violet then has a BattleInsideTheMind battle within her own ''mindscape'' with her good self fighting against her now evil counterpart with her evil self gloating and bullying her good self. self, who is shy, terrified and utterly defenseless. It's not until all of her good memories of the past (hiding behind the school wall waiting for Tony for him to look at her (while she turned invisible), her parents, her protecting Dash and bonding with Mirage) is what ultimately redeems Violet.
Violet as her good self regains her confidence and banishes her evil self from her mindscape.
*** Violet wakes up and immediately breaks down crying for what she nearly did to Mirage. Mirage and her immediately reconciles with Dash and Jack-Jack hugging the terrified, but now confident Violet and Mirage telling her of a plan to defeat Syndrome for good.good by having them pretending to be his loyal minions. They then use a plane to get to Metroville to stop Syndrome.



*** The kids and Mirage arrive at their neighborhood and finds their small neighborhood overrun with weaker Omnidroids, Violet asks Kari [=McKeen=] to watch over Jack-Jack for her while she goes out to fight crime. Unfortunately while babysitting the tyke Kari accidentally triggers Jack-Jack's powers by playing Mozart music leaving her terrified and crying.

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*** The kids and Mirage arrive at their neighborhood and finds their small neighborhood overrun with weaker Omnidroids, Violet drops Jack-Jack off at Kari's house and asks Kari [=McKeen=] to watch over Jack-Jack for her while she goes out to fight crime. crime (unaware that the real Violet is a Super). Unfortunately while babysitting the tyke Kari accidentally triggers Jack-Jack's powers by playing Mozart music leaving her terrified terrified, crying and crying.broken.



*** Violet and Dash (who is faking his FaceHeelTurn) looking at their defeated parents and Frozone pretending to be loyal to Syndrome, Dash is doing his hardest to not cry where as Violet is unresponsive before giving off an evil smirk (a clear sign she wasn't fully cured of her evilness) that breaks her parents down. Until Syndrome orders his Omnidroid (V9) to impale Mr. Incredible that suddenly causes Violet to snap with Dash stripping Syndrome of the Nullifier behind his back and restores Bob his powers just in time before the Omnidroid kills him.
*** Upon realizing his own sidekicks betrayed him and his loyal minion Mirage are in cahoots with the Parrs, Syndrome immediately flees to go and kidnap Jack-Jack, unaware his entire powers have been activated. The Parrs arrive to watch the carnage of seeing Jack-Jack go to town on the madman.
*** Unfortunately Violet finally snaps and immediately goes right for Syndrome's throat over his abuse, delivering one of the most savaging NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever that leaves the mad fanboy turned supervillain unrecognizable and bloodied to the limit. It's telling when Violet's own parents, little brother Dash, Mirage, Frozone and Lucy all beg Violet to stop what she's doing and that she's doing what Syndrome wanted her to do: ''becoming him''. Violet stops and sees how much damage she did to Syndrome's face in her unstoppable fury, but Syndrome in his usual gloating self (despite his condition) threatens to come back to kidnap Jack-Jack and will always haunt Violet wherever she goes, then in one of the most darkest and violent scenes in the Twisted Tales books, Violet lifts Syndrome's body up with her Force Field and then she starts inflating the mad fanboy's head from the inside out with a Force Field until it violently explodes in a shower of blood that fills up the Force Field. That's right ''Violet Parr outright committed murder in cold blood''. And her family, Mirage and Frozone are deeply disturbed by what just happened and Lucy who's one of Violet's closest friends is outright traumatized and fearful of her. Upon recovering, Violet immediately breaks down crying over what she just did to Syndrome, even though he deserved every single minute of it. With Helen and Mirage comforting her over the irreversible life changing act. Rick Dicker is aghast over seeing what Violet just did to Syndrome, but agrees to cover up Violet's killing of the evil villain to protect Violet's legacy.
*** Mirage tearfully saying goodbye to Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack and revealing that she's still evil and will oppose them going forward, Violet in repayment asks Lucy to put in a call for the Mastermind to set Mirage up for another job. Even though she can't forgive Violet for murder.
*** The Mastermind tearfully accepts the Nullifier back from Violet, and is shocked and saddened to hear that Violet killed Syndrome with her own bare hands, even though he was planning genocide against Violet's kind something the Mastermind opposes. She still disapproves of seeing Violet, a heroic Super outright stoop to murdering a human being, even if he deserved it.
*** The ending of ''Suddenly Super'' is downright heartbreaking despite it being bittersweet: Syndrome is dead (though considering that he was murdered in cold blood by Violet, her life is irreversibly damaged despite finally getting a chance to be happy with Tony, who's unaware of Violet's crime), because the FinalBattle didn't take place in the city means that the Parrs don't meet Winston Deavor as it was the publicity of Syndrome's invasion on Metroville that got the government to take notice. Without meeting Winston, the Parrs are on the verge of facing ''homelessness'', his sister Evelyn Deavor outright [[TheBadGuyWins wins in this timeline]], and the Parrs now have to watch out for the Mastermind (whom Mirage is now working for) who now has plans for them, especially for Violet who's now the black sheep of the Parr family after murdering Syndrome.

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*** Violet and Dash (who is faking his FaceHeelTurn) looking at their defeated parents and Uncle Frozone pretending to be loyal to Syndrome, Dash is doing his hardest to not cry where as Violet is unresponsive before giving off an evil smirk (a clear sign she wasn't fully cured of her evilness) that breaks her parents down. Until down and it appears Violet's going to outright murder her parents until she hesitates. Syndrome upon seeing Violet's love for her parents as a weakness orders his Omnidroid (V9) to impale Mr. Incredible that suddenly causes Violet to snap and attack her boss with Dash stripping Syndrome of the Nullifier behind his back while Violet is busy fighting him and restores Bob his powers just in time before the Omnidroid kills him.
*** Upon realizing his own sidekicks betrayed him and his own loyal minion Mirage are in cahoots with the Parrs, Syndrome immediately flees to go and kidnap Jack-Jack, unaware his entire powers have been activated. activated thanks to Kari. The Parrs arrive to watch the carnage of seeing Jack-Jack go to town on the madman.
madman with all 17 powers, and the parents quickly snatch the rampaging baby before he could murder Syndrome.
*** Unfortunately for the parents, it's at that point Violet finally snaps hits her breaking point when Syndrome starts manipulating her into attacking him and she immediately goes right for Syndrome's throat over his abuse, delivering one of the most savaging NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever by punching and beating his face repeatedly that leaves the mad fanboy turned supervillain unrecognizable and bloodied to the limit. It's very telling when Violet's own parents, little brother Dash, Mirage, Frozone and Lucy are all beg sickened by what they're playing witness to and tearfully begging Violet to stop what she's doing and that she's doing what Syndrome wanted her to do: ''becoming him''. Violet stops and sees how much damage she did to Syndrome's face in her unstoppable fury, but Syndrome in his usual gloating self (despite his horrible condition) threatens to come back to kidnap Jack-Jack and will always haunt Violet wherever she goes, then goes as long he lives. Then in one of the most darkest and violent scenes in the Twisted Tales books, Violet lifts Syndrome's body up with her Force Field and then she starts inflating the mad fanboy's head from the inside out with a Force Field until it violently explodes in a shower of blood that fills up the Force Field. That's right ''Violet Parr outright committed murder in cold blood''. And her family, Mirage and Frozone are deeply disturbed by what just happened and Lucy who's one of Violet's closest friends is outright traumatized and fearful of her. Upon recovering, Violet immediately breaks down crying over what she just did to Syndrome, even though he deserved every single minute of it. With Helen and Mirage comforting her over the irreversible life changing act. Rick Dicker is aghast over seeing what Violet just did to Syndrome, but agrees to cover up Violet's killing of the evil villain to protect Violet's legacy.
*** Mirage tearfully saying goodbye to Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack and revealing that she's still evil and will oppose them going forward, Violet in repayment for everything Mirage did for her and her family asks Lucy to put in a call for the Mastermind to set Mirage up for another job. Even though she Lucy can't forgive Violet for murder.
*** The Mastermind tearfully happily accepts the Nullifier back from Violet, Violet and her family, and is shocked and saddened to hear that Violet killed Syndrome with her own bare hands, even though he was planning genocide against Violet's kind something the Mastermind opposes. She still disapproves of seeing Violet, a heroic Super outright stoop to murdering a human being, even if he deserved it.
*** The ending of ''Suddenly Super'' is downright heartbreaking despite it being bittersweet: Syndrome is finally dead (though considering that he was murdered in cold blood by Violet, her life is irreversibly damaged despite finally getting a chance to be happy with Tony, who's unaware of Violet's crime), crime since he doesn't remember her), because the FinalBattle didn't take place in the city means that the Parrs don't meet Winston Deavor as it was the publicity of Syndrome's invasion on Metroville that got the government to take notice. Without meeting Winston, the Parrs are on the verge of facing ''homelessness'', his sister Evelyn Deavor outright [[TheBadGuyWins wins in this timeline]], and the Parrs now have to watch out for the Mastermind (whom Mirage is now working for) who now has plans for them, especially for Violet who's now the black sheep of the Parr family after murdering Syndrome.
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*** Unfortunately Violet finally snaps and immediately goes right for Syndrome's throat over his abuse, delivering one of the most savaging NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever that leaves the mad fanboy turned supervillain unrecognizable and bloodied to the limit. It's telling when Violet's own parents, little brother Dash, Mirage, Frozone and Lucy all beg Violet to stop what she's doing and that she's doing what Syndrome wanted her to do: ''becoming him''. Violet stops and sees how much damage she did to Syndrome's face in her unstoppable fury, but Syndrome in his usual gloating self (despite his condition) threatens to come back to kidnap Jack-Jack and will always haunt Violet wherever she goes, then in one of the most darkest and violent scenes in the Twisted Tales books, Violet lifts Syndrome's body up with her Force Field and then she starts inflating the mad fanboy's head from the inside out with a Force Field until it violently explodes in a shower of blood that fills up the Force Field. That's right ''Violet Parr outright committed murder in cold blood''. And her family, Mirage and Frozone are deeply disturbed by what just happened. Upon recovering, Violet immediately breaks down crying over what she just did to Syndrome, even though he deserved every single minute of it. With Helen and Mirage comforting her over the irreversible life changing act. Rick Dicker agrees to cover it up to protect Violet's legacy.
*** Mirage tearfully saying goodbye to Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack and revealing that she's still evil and will oppose them going forward, Violet in repayment asks Lucy to put in a call for the Mastermind to set Mirage up for another job.
*** The Mastermind tearfully accepts the Nullifier back from Violet, and is shocked that Violet killed Syndrome with her own bare hands, even though he was planning genocide against Violet's kind something the Mastermind opposes.
*** The ending of ''Suddenly Super'' is downright heartbreaking despite it being bittersweet: Syndrome is dead (though considering that he was murdered in cold blood by Violet, her life is irreversibly damaged despite finally getting a chance to be happy with Tony), because the FinalBattle didn't take place in the city means that the Parrs don't meet Winston Deavor as it was the publicity of Syndrome's invasion on Metroville that got the government to take notice. Without meeting Winston, the Parrs are on the verge of facing homelessness, his sister Evelyn Deavor outright [[TheBadGuyWins wins]], and the Parrs now have to watch out for the Mastermind (whom Mirage is now working for) who now has plans for them, especially Violet who's now the black sheep after murdering Syndrome.

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*** Unfortunately Violet finally snaps and immediately goes right for Syndrome's throat over his abuse, delivering one of the most savaging NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever that leaves the mad fanboy turned supervillain unrecognizable and bloodied to the limit. It's telling when Violet's own parents, little brother Dash, Mirage, Frozone and Lucy all beg Violet to stop what she's doing and that she's doing what Syndrome wanted her to do: ''becoming him''. Violet stops and sees how much damage she did to Syndrome's face in her unstoppable fury, but Syndrome in his usual gloating self (despite his condition) threatens to come back to kidnap Jack-Jack and will always haunt Violet wherever she goes, then in one of the most darkest and violent scenes in the Twisted Tales books, Violet lifts Syndrome's body up with her Force Field and then she starts inflating the mad fanboy's head from the inside out with a Force Field until it violently explodes in a shower of blood that fills up the Force Field. That's right ''Violet Parr outright committed murder in cold blood''. And her family, Mirage and Frozone are deeply disturbed by what just happened.happened and Lucy who's one of Violet's closest friends is outright traumatized and fearful of her. Upon recovering, Violet immediately breaks down crying over what she just did to Syndrome, even though he deserved every single minute of it. With Helen and Mirage comforting her over the irreversible life changing act. Rick Dicker is aghast over seeing what Violet just did to Syndrome, but agrees to cover it up Violet's killing of the evil villain to protect Violet's legacy.
*** Mirage tearfully saying goodbye to Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack and revealing that she's still evil and will oppose them going forward, Violet in repayment asks Lucy to put in a call for the Mastermind to set Mirage up for another job.
job. Even though she can't forgive Violet for murder.
*** The Mastermind tearfully accepts the Nullifier back from Violet, and is shocked and saddened to hear that Violet killed Syndrome with her own bare hands, even though he was planning genocide against Violet's kind something the Mastermind opposes.
opposes. She still disapproves of seeing Violet, a heroic Super outright stoop to murdering a human being, even if he deserved it.
*** The ending of ''Suddenly Super'' is downright heartbreaking despite it being bittersweet: Syndrome is dead (though considering that he was murdered in cold blood by Violet, her life is irreversibly damaged despite finally getting a chance to be happy with Tony), Tony, who's unaware of Violet's crime), because the FinalBattle didn't take place in the city means that the Parrs don't meet Winston Deavor as it was the publicity of Syndrome's invasion on Metroville that got the government to take notice. Without meeting Winston, the Parrs are on the verge of facing homelessness, ''homelessness'', his sister Evelyn Deavor outright [[TheBadGuyWins wins]], wins in this timeline]], and the Parrs now have to watch out for the Mastermind (whom Mirage is now working for) who now has plans for them, especially for Violet who's now the black sheep of the Parr family after murdering Syndrome.

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*** Violet begins to undergo a FaceHeelTurn against her will with Syndrome spilling lies, deceit and hatred into her mind as she struggles to resist the machine's power, Mirage reveals to Dash that it's the machine that robbed her of her acting dreams. By the time it's complete, ''Violet'' steps out with a devilish evil grin complete with an EvilLaugh that's just bone chilling. Showing that even the daughter of Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl is not immune to corruption.
*** Syndrome ordering Violet to ''kill'' Mirage. It's s the stepping stone that redeems Mirage for good as Syndrome saw the machine wasn't as full proof on Mirage when she mentions how her acting dreams were shattered and saw her as expendable. Leading to Dash and Violet fighting briefly with Dash crying for the real Violet to remember the good times.

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*** Violet begins to undergo a FaceHeelTurn against her will with Syndrome spilling lies, deceit and hatred into her mind as she struggles to resist the machine's power, Mirage reveals to Dash that it's the machine that robbed her of her acting dreams. By the time it's the procedure is complete, ''Violet'' steps out with a devilish evil grin complete with an EvilLaugh that's just bone chilling. Showing that even the daughter of Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl is not immune to corruption.
*** Syndrome ordering Violet to ''kill'' Mirage. It's s the stepping stone that redeems turns Mirage for good against him as Syndrome saw the machine wasn't as full proof on Mirage when she mentions how her acting dreams were shattered and saw her as expendable. Leading to Dash and Violet fighting briefly with Dash crying for the real Violet to remember the good times.



*** Syndrome attacks the Parr's and Frozone at Lucius' apartment and has Frozone's neice Lucy held hostage, revealing she was faking her voice as the Mastermind. Then he depowers Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone, he then orders his Omnidroids to rough them up a bit, leaving them bloodied.
*** The kids and Mirage arrived and finds their small neighborhood overrun with weaker Omnidroids, Violet asks Kari [=McKeen=] to watch over Jack-Jack for her while she goes out to fight crime. Unfortunately Kari accidentally triggers Jack-Jack's powers, by playing Mozart music leaving her terrified and crying.

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*** Syndrome attacks the Parr's and Frozone at Lucius' apartment and has Frozone's neice niece Lucy held hostage, revealing she was faking her voice as the Mastermind.Mastermind while she was fighting Violet. Then he depowers Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone, he then orders his Omnidroids to rough them up a bit, leaving them bloodied.
bloodied and injured.
*** The kids and Mirage arrived arrive at their neighborhood and finds their small neighborhood overrun with weaker Omnidroids, Violet asks Kari [=McKeen=] to watch over Jack-Jack for her while she goes out to fight crime. Unfortunately while babysitting the tyke Kari accidentally triggers Jack-Jack's powers, powers by playing Mozart music leaving her terrified and crying.



*** Unfortunately Violet finally snaps and immediately goes right for Syndrome's throat over his abuse, delivering one of the most savaging NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever that leaves the mad fanboy turned supervillain unrecognizable and bloodied to the limit. It's telling when Violet's own parents, little brother Dash, Mirage and Frozone all beg Violet to stop what she's doing. She does and sees how much damage she did to Syndrome's face, but Syndrome in his usual gloating self (despite his condition) threatens to come back to kidnap Jack-Jack and will always haunt Violet wherever she goes, then in one of the most darkest and violent scenes in the Twisted Tales books, Violet lifts Syndrome's body up with her Force Field and then she starts inflating the mad fanboy's head from the inside out with a Force Field until it violently explodes in a shower of blood. That's right ''Violet Parr outright committed murder in cold blood''. And her family, Mirage and Frozone are deeply disturbed by what just happened. Upon recovering, Violet breaks down crying over what she just did to Syndrome. With Helen and Mirage comforting her over the irreversible life changing act. Rick Dicker agrees to cover it up to protect Violet's legacy.

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*** Unfortunately Violet finally snaps and immediately goes right for Syndrome's throat over his abuse, delivering one of the most savaging NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever that leaves the mad fanboy turned supervillain unrecognizable and bloodied to the limit. It's telling when Violet's own parents, little brother Dash, Mirage and Mirage, Frozone and Lucy all beg Violet to stop what she's doing. She does doing and that she's doing what Syndrome wanted her to do: ''becoming him''. Violet stops and sees how much damage she did to Syndrome's face, face in her unstoppable fury, but Syndrome in his usual gloating self (despite his condition) threatens to come back to kidnap Jack-Jack and will always haunt Violet wherever she goes, then in one of the most darkest and violent scenes in the Twisted Tales books, Violet lifts Syndrome's body up with her Force Field and then she starts inflating the mad fanboy's head from the inside out with a Force Field until it violently explodes in a shower of blood.blood that fills up the Force Field. That's right ''Violet Parr outright committed murder in cold blood''. And her family, Mirage and Frozone are deeply disturbed by what just happened. Upon recovering, Violet immediately breaks down crying over what she just did to Syndrome.Syndrome, even though he deserved every single minute of it. With Helen and Mirage comforting her over the irreversible life changing act. Rick Dicker agrees to cover it up to protect Violet's legacy.legacy.
*** Mirage tearfully saying goodbye to Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack and revealing that she's still evil and will oppose them going forward, Violet in repayment asks Lucy to put in a call for the Mastermind to set Mirage up for another job.
*** The Mastermind tearfully accepts the Nullifier back from Violet, and is shocked that Violet killed Syndrome with her own bare hands, even though he was planning genocide against Violet's kind something the Mastermind opposes.
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*** Then days pass with no word back from her mom, then Mirage (Syndrome's lackey) suddenly arrives to give the Parr siblings the worst news: ''Your parents are dead!'' Dash and Jack-Jack break down crying upon with Violet absolutely shocked as the last conversation she had with her mom was being told to watch the kids and ended poorly and vowing never to speak to her again. It's when Mirage tells them that they're parents were secretly superheroing behind their backs and offers Violet a job as a superhero. Violet realizing she has no other choice accepts the job instantly with Dash beaming with excitement, knowing that the money is more important. Shortly before they're attacked by hired goons sent to capture the kids (secretly on Syndrome's orders, in case they resisted).
*** Violet being manipulated by her new boss Syndrome who tells her, ''I'm your father's biggest fan!'' in order to convince her to work for him.
*** Then Violet starts going through her anxiety issues that affects her performance against Syndrome's Omnidroids during her first true battle and is immediately beaten and bloodied horribly that she starts crying and giving up, it's not until Syndrome secretly threatens to orders the Omnidroids kill Dash and Jack-Jack that Violet realizes the danger she and her siblings are in that she starts getting over them and performing her job, albeit horribly.
*** Violet tearfully considers killing herself after her first mission against the Omnidroids goes horribly wanting her life taken away, Dash decides to try his hand at the Omnidroids to cheer her up.
*** Dash getting an opportunity to fight the Omnidroids immediately blows up in his face and he's left badly bloodied, and crying from the onslaught, Violet immediately breaks down into big sister mode and subs in for him.

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*** Then days pass with no word back from her mom, then Mirage (Syndrome's lackey) suddenly arrives to give the Parr siblings the worst news: ''Your parents are dead!'' Dash and Jack-Jack break down crying upon hearing the news, with Violet absolutely shocked as the last conversation she had with her mom was being told to watch the kids and kids, which ended poorly and vowing never to speak to her again. It's when Mirage tells them that they're their parents were secretly superheroing behind their backs and offers Violet a job as a superhero. Violet realizing she has no other choice accepts the job instantly with Dash beaming with excitement, excitement at finally getting the opportunity to be a Super, knowing that the money is more important.important to keep them afloat. Shortly before they're attacked by hired goons sent to capture the kids (secretly on Syndrome's orders, in case they resisted).
*** Violet being manipulated by her new boss Syndrome who tells her, ''I'm your father's biggest fan!'' in order to convince her to work for him.
him...and Violet falls for it as she decides to honor her deceased father.
*** Then Violet starts going through her anxiety issues that affects her performance against Syndrome's Omnidroids during her first true battle and is immediately beaten and bloodied horribly that she starts crying and giving up, it's not until Syndrome secretly threatens to orders order the Omnidroids Omnidroid to kill Dash and Jack-Jack that Violet realizes the danger she and her siblings are in that she starts getting over them and performing her job, albeit horribly.
with her Force Fields growing stronger to resist the blows untill she discovers it's main weakness in itself.
*** Violet tearfully considers killing herself after her first mission against the Omnidroids goes horribly horribly, desperately wanting her life taken away, away and was about to go through with it by putting a Force Field inside her head and inflating it until it popped (a {{Foreshadowing}} of Syndrome's fate). Dash talks her down like the optimistic little brother he is and decides to try his hand at the Omnidroids to cheer her up.
up and redeem her for her efforts.
*** Dash getting an the opportunity to fight the Omnidroids immediately blows up in his face and he's left badly bloodied, and crying from the onslaught, a horrified Violet immediately breaks down into big sister mode and subs in for him.him and defeats the Omnidroid.



*** Mirage is understandably angry and horrified with Violet's actions that got her relationship with Dash completely destroyed by giving her one hell of a WhatTheHellHero and YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre speech, with Violet (now depowered) stating she has no family, outright hates superheroes and that her powers made her a freak that all but destroyed her one shot with Tony Rydinger. Mirage tells her that's just exactly what a supervillain would say at their StartOfDarkness and that she finally spills the beans on her parents, revealing that they're alive and well in Nigel's Lair, and that what Violet did to herself would be dishonouring her parents by trying to live a normal life. Upon arriving, they find the lair empty, which tips off Mirage and Violet that someone close to them freed them (revealing it to be Frozone's doing). Violet confronts Mirage on what Syndrome is really like as a person and Mirage tells her that Syndrome is irredeemably evil and is using Violet and her siblings to have his own pair of sidekicks to spite her father in order to hurt his legacy, Mirage also tells her that she stood up for her own brother Dash, fought and survived her boss's Omnidroids against all odds and most notably outsmarted and stole the Nullifier on her first try from her parents' old enemy the Mastermind, horrified by what she did to herself, Violet restores her powers and Dash tearfully arrives to apologize to Violet, realizing she was scared.
*** Unfortunately Syndrome arrives and immediately attacks Violet, Mirage and the kids and steals the Nullifier from Violet with the help of his Omnidroids, finally dropping the ruse, he then decides the time has come for Violet to fulfill her mission of killing her parents and having him as his sidekick by subjugated her to a device that turns people evil against their will. With ''Violet'' being the first victim.
*** Violet begins to undergo a FaceHeelTurn against her will with Syndrome spilling lies, deceit and hatred into her mind, Mirage reveals to Dash that it's the machine that robbed her of her acting dreams. By the time it's complete, ''Violet'' steps out with a devilish evil grin complete with an EvilLaugh that's just bone chilling.
*** Syndrome ordering Violet to ''kill'' Mirage. It's s the stepping stone that redeems Mirage for good as Syndrome saw the machine wasn't as full proof on her and saw her as expendable. Leading to Dash and Violet fighting briefly with Dash crying for the real Violet to remember the good times.
*** Violet and Dash's fight ultimately ends with Dash knocking his sister out as he breaks down sobbing as does Jack-Jack, with Mirage hugging the duo tightly. Violet then has a BattleInsideTheMind with her good self fighting against her now evil counterpart. It's not until all of her good memories of the past (hiding behind the school wall waiting for Tony, her parents, her protecting Dash and bonding with Mirage) is what ultimately redeems Violet.

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*** Mirage is understandably angry and horrified with Violet's actions that got her relationship with Dash completely destroyed by giving her one hell of a WhatTheHellHero and YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre speech, with Violet (now depowered) stating she has no family, outright hates superheroes and that her powers made her a freak that all but destroyed her one shot with Tony Rydinger. Mirage tells her that's just exactly what a supervillain would say at their StartOfDarkness and that she finally spills the beans on her parents, revealing that they're alive and well in Nigel's Lair, and that what Violet did to herself would be dishonouring her parents by trying to live a normal life. Upon arriving, they find the lair empty, which tips off Mirage and Violet that someone close to them freed them (revealing it to be Frozone's doing). Violet confronts Mirage on what Syndrome is really like as a person and Mirage tells her that Syndrome is irredeemably evil and is using Violet and her siblings to have his own pair of sidekicks to spite her father in order to hurt his legacy, Mirage also tells her that she stood up for her own brother Dash, fought and survived her boss's Omnidroids against all odds and most notably outsmarted and stole the Nullifier on her first try from her parents' old enemy the Mastermind, horrified by what she did to herself, Violet restores her powers and Dash (who overheard the two talking as he trailed them) tearfully arrives to apologize to Violet, realizing that she was scared.
scared and was only looking out for their well being.
*** Unfortunately Syndrome arrives and immediately attacks Violet, Mirage and the kids and steals the Nullifier from Violet with the help of his Omnidroids, finally dropping the ruse, he then decides the time has come for Violet to fulfill her mission of killing her parents and having him as his sidekick by subjugated her to a device that turns people evil against their will. With ''Violet'' herself being the first victim.
*** Violet begins to undergo a FaceHeelTurn against her will with Syndrome spilling lies, deceit and hatred into her mind, mind as she struggles to resist the machine's power, Mirage reveals to Dash that it's the machine that robbed her of her acting dreams. By the time it's complete, ''Violet'' steps out with a devilish evil grin complete with an EvilLaugh that's just bone chilling. \n Showing that even the daughter of Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl is not immune to corruption.
*** Syndrome ordering Violet to ''kill'' Mirage. It's s the stepping stone that redeems Mirage for good as Syndrome saw the machine wasn't as full proof on Mirage when she mentions how her acting dreams were shattered and saw her as expendable. Leading to Dash and Violet fighting briefly with Dash crying for the real Violet to remember the good times.
*** Violet and Dash's fight ultimately ends with Dash knocking his sister out as he breaks down sobbing as does Jack-Jack, with Mirage hugging the duo tightly. Violet then has a BattleInsideTheMind with her good self fighting against her now evil counterpart. counterpart with her evil self gloating and bullying her good self. It's not until all of her good memories of the past (hiding behind the school wall waiting for Tony, Tony for him to look at her (while she turned invisible), her parents, her protecting Dash and bonding with Mirage) is what ultimately redeems Violet.

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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, ''The Incredibles'' version of this is ''Suddenly Super'' (released in August 2023 for UK and Australian readers, and set for a 2024 release for the first film's 20th anniversary). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' And its even more downright heartbreaking than the film:
*** What starts the plot off? We see poor Violet at a teenage party she wanted to go initially (mainly to woo Tony Rydinger who's there), but wanted no part in due to her severe social anxiety because it's a teen party, the added peer pressure from the teens egging her to ask Tony out causes Violet to have a mental breakdown and accidentally turns invisible in front of the entire partygoers, scaring everyone (including Tony) off and being labeled as a freak by everyone (all but forcing Dicker to wipe all of the teens' memories of the incident). Helen at first comforts Violet over getting over her anxiety at asking Tony out, but when Violet guilt trips herself into revealing she used her powers in front of everyone at the party, Helen immediately and angrily grounds Violet indefinitely that ultimately leads to a nasty argument between the two where Violet outright hates her mom and wished she never had powers and wants nothing to do with her anymore. Her mom then grounds her more for talking back and threatens to hire the one babysitter Violet can't stand in Mrs. Caruso (in Violet's own words Mrs. Licorice), if she doesn't apologize. Violet tearfully relents and Helen orders her to watch Dash and Jack-Jack while she leaves for Bob's conference, stating that Violet babysitting her unruly brothers is more than fitting enough. Unbeknownst to Violet, it's her last proper conversation with her mom before the events go off the rail.
*** Then days pass with no word back from her mom, then Mirage (Syndrome's lackey) suddenly arrives to give the Parr siblings the worst news: ''Your parents are dead!'' Dash and Jack-Jack break down crying upon with Violet absolutely shocked as the last conversation she had with her mom was being told to watch the kids and ended poorly and vowing never to speak to her again. It's when Mirage tells them that they're parents were secretly superheroing behind their backs and offers Violet a job as a superhero. Violet realizing she has no other choice accepts the job instantly with Dash beaming with excitement, knowing that the money is more important.

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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, ''The Incredibles'' version of this is ''Suddenly Super'' (released in August 2023 for UK and Australian readers, and set for a 2024 US release for the first film's 20th anniversary). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' And its even more downright heartbreaking than the film:
*** What starts the plot off? We see poor EmoTeen Violet at a teenage party she wanted to go initially (mainly to woo Tony Rydinger who's also there), but wanted no part in due to her severe social anxiety because it's a teen party, party (which likely includes alcohol beverages), the added peer pressure from the teens egging her to ask Tony out on a date causes Violet to have a mental breakdown and accidentally turns invisible in front of the entire partygoers, scaring everyone (including Tony) off and being labeled as a freak by everyone (all but forcing Dicker to wipe all of the teens' memories of the incident). Helen at first comforts Violet over getting over her anxiety at asking Tony out, but when Violet guilt trips herself into revealing reveals to her mom that she used her powers in front of everyone at the party, Helen immediately and angrily grounds Violet indefinitely that ultimately leads to a nasty argument between the two where Violet outright hates her mom and wished she never had powers and wants nothing to do with her anymore. Her mom then grounds her more for talking back and threatens to hire the one babysitter Violet can't stand in Mrs. Caruso (in Violet's own words Mrs. Licorice), if she doesn't apologize. Violet tearfully relents and Helen orders her to watch Dash and Jack-Jack while she leaves for Bob's conference, stating that Violet babysitting her unruly brothers is more than fitting enough.enough for punishment. Unbeknownst to Violet, it's her last proper conversation with her mom before the events go off the rail.
*** Then days pass with no word back from her mom, then Mirage (Syndrome's lackey) suddenly arrives to give the Parr siblings the worst news: ''Your parents are dead!'' Dash and Jack-Jack break down crying upon with Violet absolutely shocked as the last conversation she had with her mom was being told to watch the kids and ended poorly and vowing never to speak to her again. It's when Mirage tells them that they're parents were secretly superheroing behind their backs and offers Violet a job as a superhero. Violet realizing she has no other choice accepts the job instantly with Dash beaming with excitement, knowing that the money is more important. Shortly before they're attacked by hired goons sent to capture the kids (secretly on Syndrome's orders, in case they resisted).



*** Violet is finally happy after losing her powers and upon seeing Dash, she starts going mad with power over having ''normalcy'' and wants her family to be ''normal'' forever and immediately attacks Dash on trying to remove his powers by force with the Nullifier. Dash in response tearfully '''disowns''' Violet after kicking her off over this with her disowning him back, effectively breaking up the Parr family siblings with Jack-Jack crying over his siblings fighting.
*** Mirage is understandably angry and horrified with Violet's actions that got her relationship with Dash completely destroyed, with Violet (now depowered) stating she has no family, outright hates superheroes and that her powers made her a freak. Mirage tells her that's just exactly what a supervillain would say at their StartOfDarkness and that she finally spills the beans on her parents, revealing that they're alive and well in the lair of the Mastermind (who was responsible for the kidnapping and bombing), and that what Violet did to herself would be dishonouring her parents by trying to live a normal life.

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*** Violet is finally happy after losing her powers and upon seeing Dash, she starts going mad with power over having ''normalcy'' and wants her family to be ''normal'' forever and immediately attacks Dash on trying to remove his powers by force with the Nullifier. Dash in response tearfully '''disowns''' Violet after kicking her off over this with her disowning him back, effectively breaking up the Parr family siblings with poor Jack-Jack crying over his siblings fighting.
*** Mirage is understandably angry and horrified with Violet's actions that got her relationship with Dash completely destroyed, destroyed by giving her one hell of a WhatTheHellHero and YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre speech, with Violet (now depowered) stating she has no family, outright hates superheroes and that her powers made her a freak. freak that all but destroyed her one shot with Tony Rydinger. Mirage tells her that's just exactly what a supervillain would say at their StartOfDarkness and that she finally spills the beans on her parents, revealing that they're alive and well in the lair of the Mastermind (who was responsible for the kidnapping and bombing), Nigel's Lair, and that what Violet did to herself would be dishonouring her parents by trying to live a normal life.
life. Upon arriving, they find the lair empty, which tips off Mirage and Violet that someone close to them freed them (revealing it to be Frozone's doing). Violet confronts Mirage on what Syndrome is really like as a person and Mirage tells her that Syndrome is irredeemably evil and is using Violet and her siblings to have his own pair of sidekicks to spite her father in order to hurt his legacy, Mirage also tells her that she stood up for her own brother Dash, fought and survived her boss's Omnidroids against all odds and most notably outsmarted and stole the Nullifier on her first try from her parents' old enemy the Mastermind, horrified by what she did to herself, Violet restores her powers and Dash tearfully arrives to apologize to Violet, realizing she was scared.
*** Unfortunately Syndrome arrives and immediately attacks Violet, Mirage and the kids and steals the Nullifier from Violet with the help of his Omnidroids, finally dropping the ruse, he then decides the time has come for Violet to fulfill her mission of killing her parents and having him as his sidekick by subjugated her to a device that turns people evil against their will. With ''Violet'' being the first victim.
*** Violet begins to undergo a FaceHeelTurn against her will with Syndrome spilling lies, deceit and hatred into her mind, Mirage reveals to Dash that it's the machine that robbed her of her acting dreams. By the time it's complete, ''Violet'' steps out with a devilish evil grin complete with an EvilLaugh that's just bone chilling.
*** Syndrome ordering Violet to ''kill'' Mirage. It's s the stepping stone that redeems Mirage for good as Syndrome saw the machine wasn't as full proof on her and saw her as expendable. Leading to Dash and Violet fighting briefly with Dash crying for the real Violet to remember the good times.
*** Violet and Dash's fight ultimately ends with Dash knocking his sister out as he breaks down sobbing as does Jack-Jack, with Mirage hugging the duo tightly. Violet then has a BattleInsideTheMind with her good self fighting against her now evil counterpart. It's not until all of her good memories of the past (hiding behind the school wall waiting for Tony, her parents, her protecting Dash and bonding with Mirage) is what ultimately redeems Violet.
*** Violet wakes up and immediately breaks down crying for what she nearly did to Mirage. Mirage and her immediately reconciles and telling her of a plan to defeat Syndrome for good. They then use a plane to get to Metroville to stop Syndrome.
*** Syndrome attacks the Parr's and Frozone at Lucius' apartment and has Frozone's neice Lucy held hostage, revealing she was faking her voice as the Mastermind. Then he depowers Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone, he then orders his Omnidroids to rough them up a bit, leaving them bloodied.
*** The kids and Mirage arrived and finds their small neighborhood overrun with weaker Omnidroids, Violet asks Kari [=McKeen=] to watch over Jack-Jack for her while she goes out to fight crime. Unfortunately Kari accidentally triggers Jack-Jack's powers, by playing Mozart music leaving her terrified and crying.
*** Syndrome begins to gloat menacingly over the badly injured Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl and Frozone with him revealing that he succeeded in turning their kids evil and into their most hated enemies that will be the ones to kill them. This immediately causes great pings of pain to Bob and Helen (with them threatening to kill him), Helen breaks down crying and with unrestrained fury in her eyes. Then the kids arrive and their fears are realized. Violet and Dash are evil and there's no turning back.
*** Violet and Dash (who is faking his FaceHeelTurn) looking at their defeated parents and Frozone pretending to be loyal to Syndrome, Dash is doing his hardest to not cry where as Violet is unresponsive before giving off an evil smirk (a clear sign she wasn't fully cured of her evilness) that breaks her parents down. Until Syndrome orders his Omnidroid (V9) to impale Mr. Incredible that suddenly causes Violet to snap with Dash stripping Syndrome of the Nullifier behind his back and restores Bob his powers just in time before the Omnidroid kills him.
*** Upon realizing his own sidekicks betrayed him and his loyal minion Mirage are in cahoots with the Parrs, Syndrome immediately flees to go and kidnap Jack-Jack, unaware his entire powers have been activated. The Parrs arrive to watch the carnage of seeing Jack-Jack go to town on the madman.
*** Unfortunately Violet finally snaps and immediately goes right for Syndrome's throat over his abuse, delivering one of the most savaging NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever that leaves the mad fanboy turned supervillain unrecognizable and bloodied to the limit. It's telling when Violet's own parents, little brother Dash, Mirage and Frozone all beg Violet to stop what she's doing. She does and sees how much damage she did to Syndrome's face, but Syndrome in his usual gloating self (despite his condition) threatens to come back to kidnap Jack-Jack and will always haunt Violet wherever she goes, then in one of the most darkest and violent scenes in the Twisted Tales books, Violet lifts Syndrome's body up with her Force Field and then she starts inflating the mad fanboy's head from the inside out with a Force Field until it violently explodes in a shower of blood. That's right ''Violet Parr outright committed murder in cold blood''. And her family, Mirage and Frozone are deeply disturbed by what just happened. Upon recovering, Violet breaks down crying over what she just did to Syndrome. With Helen and Mirage comforting her over the irreversible life changing act. Rick Dicker agrees to cover it up to protect Violet's legacy.
*** The ending of ''Suddenly Super'' is downright heartbreaking despite it being bittersweet: Syndrome is dead (though considering that he was murdered in cold blood by Violet, her life is irreversibly damaged despite finally getting a chance to be happy with Tony), because the FinalBattle didn't take place in the city means that the Parrs don't meet Winston Deavor as it was the publicity of Syndrome's invasion on Metroville that got the government to take notice. Without meeting Winston, the Parrs are on the verge of facing homelessness, his sister Evelyn Deavor outright [[TheBadGuyWins wins]], and the Parrs now have to watch out for the Mastermind (whom Mirage is now working for) who now has plans for them, especially Violet who's now the black sheep after murdering Syndrome.

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** What starts the plot off? We see poor Violet at a teenage party she wanted to go initially (mainly to woo Tony Rydinger who's there), but wanted no part in due to her severe social anxiety because it's a teen party, the added peer pressure from the teens egging her to ask Tony out causes Violet to have a mental breakdown and accidentally turns invisible in front of the entire partygoers, scaring everyone (including Tony) off and being labeled as a freak by everyone (all but forcing Dicker to wipe all of the teens' memories of the incident). Helen at first comforts Violet over getting over her anxiety at asking Tony out, but when Violet guilt trips herself into revealing she used her powers in front of everyone at the party, Helen immediately and angrily grounds Violet indefinitely that ultimately leads to a nasty argument between the two where Violet outright hates her mom and wished she never had powers and wants nothing to do with her anymore. Her mom then grounds her more for talking back and threatens to hire the one babysitter Violet can't stand in Mrs. Caruso (in Violet's own words Mrs. Licorice), if she doesn't apologize. Violet tearfully relents and Helen orders her to watch Dash and Jack-Jack while she leaves for Bob's conference, stating that Violet babysitting her unruly brothers is more than fitting enough. Unbeknownst to Violet, it's her last proper conversation with her mom before the events go off the rail.
** Then days pass with no word back from her mom, then Mirage (Syndrome's lackey) suddenly arrives to give the Parr siblings the worst news: ''Your parents are dead!'' Dash and Jack-Jack break down crying upon with Violet absolutely shocked as the last conversation she had with her mom was being told to watch the kids and ended poorly and vowing never to speak to her again. It's when Mirage tells them that they're parents were secretly superheroing behind their backs and offers Violet a job as a superhero. Violet realizing she has no other choice accepts the job instantly with Dash beaming with excitement, knowing that the money is more important.
** Violet being manipulated by her new boss Syndrome who tells her, ''I'm your father's biggest fan!'' in order to convince her to work for him.
** Then Violet starts going through her anxiety issues that affects her performance against Syndrome's Omnidroids during her first true battle and is immediately beaten and bloodied horribly that she starts crying and giving up, it's not until Syndrome secretly threatens to orders the Omnidroids kill Dash and Jack-Jack that Violet realizes the danger she and her siblings are in that she starts getting over them and performing her job, albeit horribly.
** Violet tearfully considers killing herself after her first mission against the Omnidroids goes horribly wanting her life taken away, Dash decides to try his hand at the Omnidroids to cheer her up.
** Dash getting an opportunity to fight the Omnidroids immediately blows up in his face and he's left badly bloodied, and crying from the onslaught, Violet immediately breaks down into big sister mode and subs in for him.
** Violet begins to bond with Syndrome's minion Mirage where she gets to know her not as a fellow employee but as a human being, Mirage explains and opens up that she wanted to be an actress and breaks down crying when she was rejected by Brad Bird's company, that lead to her taking a job with Syndrome. Violet is understandably moved by this to the point she calls Mirage ''mom'' by accident, causing Mirage to get embarrassed and Violet emotional realizing that if her mom was alive she'd apologize to her for doing what she did. It also slowly tips to Violet that Syndrome isn't who he say he is.
** Syndrome offers Violet a job to steal the Nullifier from the Mastermind (who is revealed to be the real killer of Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl) while revealing that it can take powers away, Violet immediately accepts this offer and vows to bring the Mastermind to justice. While secretly planning to use the Nullifier on herself so she can live a normal life.
** Violet and her battle with the Mastermind upon sneaking in and stealing the Nullifier while invisible on her first try, ultimately it's where the villian reveals everything to Violet that she's being used by her boss and her boss is secretly using her as his evil sidekick. Violet is able to escape while the villian proudly congratulates her and sees her much like her parents who she fought during the Glory Days. However because she's a villain Violet doesn't buy it.

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** *** What starts the plot off? We see poor Violet at a teenage party she wanted to go initially (mainly to woo Tony Rydinger who's there), but wanted no part in due to her severe social anxiety because it's a teen party, the added peer pressure from the teens egging her to ask Tony out causes Violet to have a mental breakdown and accidentally turns invisible in front of the entire partygoers, scaring everyone (including Tony) off and being labeled as a freak by everyone (all but forcing Dicker to wipe all of the teens' memories of the incident). Helen at first comforts Violet over getting over her anxiety at asking Tony out, but when Violet guilt trips herself into revealing she used her powers in front of everyone at the party, Helen immediately and angrily grounds Violet indefinitely that ultimately leads to a nasty argument between the two where Violet outright hates her mom and wished she never had powers and wants nothing to do with her anymore. Her mom then grounds her more for talking back and threatens to hire the one babysitter Violet can't stand in Mrs. Caruso (in Violet's own words Mrs. Licorice), if she doesn't apologize. Violet tearfully relents and Helen orders her to watch Dash and Jack-Jack while she leaves for Bob's conference, stating that Violet babysitting her unruly brothers is more than fitting enough. Unbeknownst to Violet, it's her last proper conversation with her mom before the events go off the rail.
** *** Then days pass with no word back from her mom, then Mirage (Syndrome's lackey) suddenly arrives to give the Parr siblings the worst news: ''Your parents are dead!'' Dash and Jack-Jack break down crying upon with Violet absolutely shocked as the last conversation she had with her mom was being told to watch the kids and ended poorly and vowing never to speak to her again. It's when Mirage tells them that they're parents were secretly superheroing behind their backs and offers Violet a job as a superhero. Violet realizing she has no other choice accepts the job instantly with Dash beaming with excitement, knowing that the money is more important.
** *** Violet being manipulated by her new boss Syndrome who tells her, ''I'm your father's biggest fan!'' in order to convince her to work for him.
** *** Then Violet starts going through her anxiety issues that affects her performance against Syndrome's Omnidroids during her first true battle and is immediately beaten and bloodied horribly that she starts crying and giving up, it's not until Syndrome secretly threatens to orders the Omnidroids kill Dash and Jack-Jack that Violet realizes the danger she and her siblings are in that she starts getting over them and performing her job, albeit horribly.
** *** Violet tearfully considers killing herself after her first mission against the Omnidroids goes horribly wanting her life taken away, Dash decides to try his hand at the Omnidroids to cheer her up.
** *** Dash getting an opportunity to fight the Omnidroids immediately blows up in his face and he's left badly bloodied, and crying from the onslaught, Violet immediately breaks down into big sister mode and subs in for him.
** *** Violet begins to bond with Syndrome's minion Mirage where she gets to know her not as a fellow employee but as a human being, Mirage explains and opens up that she wanted to be an actress and breaks down crying when she was rejected by Brad Bird's company, that lead to her taking a job with Syndrome. Violet is understandably moved by this to the point she calls Mirage ''mom'' by accident, causing Mirage to get embarrassed and Violet emotional realizing that if her mom was alive she'd apologize to her for doing what she did. It also slowly tips to Violet that Syndrome isn't who he say he is.
** *** Syndrome offers Violet a job to steal the Nullifier from the Mastermind (who is revealed to be the real killer of Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl) while revealing that it can take powers away, Violet immediately accepts this offer and vows to bring the Mastermind to justice. While secretly planning to use the Nullifier on herself so she can live a normal life.
** *** Violet and her battle with the Mastermind upon sneaking in and stealing the Nullifier while invisible on her first try, ultimately it's where the villian reveals everything to Violet that she's being used by her boss and her boss is secretly using her as his evil sidekick. Violet is able to escape while the villian proudly congratulates her and sees her much like her parents who she fought during the Glory Days. However because she's a villain Violet doesn't buy it.her words that Syndrome's evil.
*** Upon returning, Syndrome is understandably angry that Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl escaped his Nigel Lair and have gone into hiding and is forced to keep his voice down when Violet and Dash walks in. He's absolutely shocked and saddened to hear when Violet requests to have her be the first one to use the Nullifier on herself as she wants to retire from heroics permanently as she doesn't share the same love of Supers he does. Syndrome decides to let her use it for a while in case she changes her mind.
*** Helen upon hiding out with Frozone's family, has a horrible HeelRealization on how awful she treated Violet and wants to go and find her as does Bob so she can apologize, but Frozone orders them not to leave the house as Syndrome is after them, leaving them disheartened.
*** Violet is finally happy after losing her powers and upon seeing Dash, she starts going mad with power over having ''normalcy'' and wants her family to be ''normal'' forever and immediately attacks Dash on trying to remove his powers by force with the Nullifier. Dash in response tearfully '''disowns''' Violet after kicking her off over this with her disowning him back, effectively breaking up the Parr family siblings with Jack-Jack crying over his siblings fighting.
*** Mirage is understandably angry and horrified with Violet's actions that got her relationship with Dash completely destroyed, with Violet (now depowered) stating she has no family, outright hates superheroes and that her powers made her a freak. Mirage tells her that's just exactly what a supervillain would say at their StartOfDarkness and that she finally spills the beans on her parents, revealing that they're alive and well in the lair of the Mastermind (who was responsible for the kidnapping and bombing), and that what Violet did to herself would be dishonouring her parents by trying to live a normal life.

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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a conference meeting with Supers (which completely derails Bob's second visit to the island, meaning that he never meets Syndrome in this universe), effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings as their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering Violet a job working with her boss Syndrome who tells her, that he's her father's biggest fan, a job Violet accepts immediately (which allows Violet to be the Superhero her parents and the law didn't want her to be, but to protect her younger brothers) that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil (a fact Violet is unaware of), with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Superhero Relocation Act was all a lie.

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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called version of this is ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on (released in August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). and Australian readers, and set for a 2024 release for the first film's 20th anniversary). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early And its even more downright heartbreaking than the film:
** What starts the
plot details revealed: off? We see poor Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck at a teenage party she wanted to go initially (mainly to woo Tony Rydinger who's there), but wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible in due to her severe social anxiety because it's a teen party, the added peer pressure from the teens egging her to ask Tony out causes Violet to have a mental breakdown and Elastigirl are supposedly killed accidentally turns invisible in front of the entire partygoers, scaring everyone (including Tony) off and being labeled as a freak by everyone (all but forcing Dicker to wipe all of the NSA while attending a conference meeting with Supers (which completely derails Bob's second visit to teens' memories of the island, meaning incident). Helen at first comforts Violet over getting over her anxiety at asking Tony out, but when Violet guilt trips herself into revealing she used her powers in front of everyone at the party, Helen immediately and angrily grounds Violet indefinitely that he ultimately leads to a nasty argument between the two where Violet outright hates her mom and wished she never meets Syndrome had powers and wants nothing to do with her anymore. Her mom then grounds her more for talking back and threatens to hire the one babysitter Violet can't stand in this universe), effectively making ''Violet, Mrs. Caruso (in Violet's own words Mrs. Licorice), if she doesn't apologize. Violet tearfully relents and Helen orders her to watch Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and while she leaves for Bob's conference, stating that Violet babysitting her unruly brothers is more than fitting enough. Unbeknownst to Violet, it's her last proper conversation with her mom before the events go off the rail.
** Then days pass with no word back from her mom, then
Mirage coming over (Syndrome's lackey) suddenly arrives to ''protect'' give the Parr siblings the worst news: ''Your parents are dead!'' Dash and Jack-Jack break down crying upon with Violet absolutely shocked as the last conversation she had with her mom was being told to watch the kids and ended poorly and vowing never to speak to her again. It's when Mirage tells them that they're parents were secretly superheroing behind their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering backs and offers Violet a job working as a superhero. Violet realizing she has no other choice accepts the job instantly with Dash beaming with excitement, knowing that the money is more important.
** Violet being manipulated by
her new boss Syndrome who tells her, that he's her ''I'm your father's biggest fan, a job fan!'' in order to convince her to work for him.
** Then
Violet accepts starts going through her anxiety issues that affects her performance against Syndrome's Omnidroids during her first true battle and is immediately (which allows beaten and bloodied horribly that she starts crying and giving up, it's not until Syndrome secretly threatens to orders the Omnidroids kill Dash and Jack-Jack that Violet realizes the danger she and her siblings are in that she starts getting over them and performing her job, albeit horribly.
** Violet tearfully considers killing herself after her first mission against the Omnidroids goes horribly wanting her life taken away, Dash decides to try his hand at the Omnidroids to cheer her up.
** Dash getting an opportunity to fight the Omnidroids immediately blows up in his face and he's left badly bloodied, and crying from the onslaught, Violet immediately breaks down into big sister mode and subs in for him.
** Violet begins to bond with Syndrome's minion Mirage where she gets to know her not as a fellow employee but as a human being, Mirage explains and opens up that she wanted to be an actress and breaks down crying when she was rejected by Brad Bird's company, that lead to her taking a job with Syndrome. Violet is understandably moved by this to the point she calls Mirage ''mom'' by accident, causing Mirage to get embarrassed and Violet emotional realizing that if her mom was alive she'd apologize to her for doing what she did. It also slowly tips to Violet that Syndrome isn't who he say he is.
** Syndrome offers Violet a job to steal the Nullifier from the Mastermind (who is revealed
to be the Superhero real killer of Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl) while revealing that it can take powers away, Violet immediately accepts this offer and vows to bring the Mastermind to justice. While secretly planning to use the Nullifier on herself so she can live a normal life.
** Violet and her battle with the Mastermind upon sneaking in and stealing the Nullifier while invisible on her first try, ultimately it's where the villian reveals everything to Violet that she's being used by her boss and her boss is secretly using her as his evil sidekick. Violet is able to escape while the villian proudly congratulates her and sees her much like
her parents and who she fought during the law didn't want her to be, but to protect her younger brothers) that sends her on the path of becoming Glory Days. However because she's a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil (a fact villain Violet is unaware of), with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Superhero Relocation Act was all a lie.doesn't buy it.
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* Mr. Incredible in his room pondering whether or not to take the mission, and seeing all the memorabilia of things he has accomplished throughout his superheroic career just makes your heart drop at how much he's done.

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* Mr. Incredible in his room pondering whether or not to take the mission, and seeing mission. Seeing all the memorabilia of things he has accomplished throughout his superheroic career just makes your heart drop at career, only really hammers home how much he's done.done for humanity and society...and [[UngratefulBastard how callously he was repaid for it due to a few bad mistakes]], which wasn't even entirely his fault, by being forced to hide himself and his family in order to appease the public's fear of supers.
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** Helen actually confronts Bob about the hair on his business suit, that is platinum-blond. He tries to lie that it was the dry-cleaner woman's, but she asks bluntly: is he having an affair? Bob says no, of course not! But he can't tell her why he's going on these trips all of a sudden. He leaves her in the closet, where she starts to cry. This was cut to keep the film family-friendly, but even in character, it doesn't make sense, since the minute Bob realizes what Helen was fearing after she punched Mirage in the face, he quickly came clean to her.

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** Helen actually confronts Bob about the hair on his business suit, that is platinum-blond. He tries to lie that it was the dry-cleaner woman's, but she asks bluntly: is he having an affair? Bob says no, of course not! But he can't tell her why he's going on these trips all of a sudden. He leaves her in the closet, where she starts to cry. This was cut to keep the film family-friendly, but even in character, it doesn't make sense, since in the final film, the minute Bob realizes what Helen was fearing after she punched Mirage in the face, he quickly came clean to clears things up for her.
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-->'''Helen''': ''[Panicked]'' MAYDAY MAYDAY!! India-gulf niner-niner is buddy-spiked! Abort! ABORT! There are ''children'' aboard! Say again, there are children aboard this plane!!
-->''[As Helen repeats that the kids are on board in the control room, Mirage's face changes to absolute terror, and Bob's eyes pop with horror.]''
-->'''Bob''': ''[Gut-Punched]'' '''''NO!!!'''''

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-->'''Helen''': --->'''Helen:''' ''[Panicked]'' MAYDAY MAYDAY!! India-gulf niner-niner is buddy-spiked! Abort! ABORT! There are ''children'' aboard! Say again, there are children aboard this plane!!
-->''[As
plane!!\\
''[As
Helen repeats that the kids are on board in the control room, Mirage's face changes to absolute terror, and Bob's eyes pop with horror.]''
-->'''Bob''':
]''\\
'''Bob:'''
''[Gut-Punched]'' '''''NO!!!'''''



-->'''Bob''': I CAN'T LOSE YOU AGAIN! ...I can't. Not again. I'm not... strong enough.
-->'''Helen''': If we work together, you won't have to be.

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-->'''Bob''': -->'''Bob:''' I CAN'T LOSE YOU AGAIN! ...I can't. Not again. I'm not... strong enough.
-->'''Helen''':
enough.\\
'''Helen:'''
If we work together, you won't have to be.



-->'''Syndrome:''' [[ThatManIsDead MY NAME IS NOT]] ''[[ThatManIsDead BUDDY!]]'' And it's not [=IncrediBoy=], either! ''That'' ship has sailed. All I wanted was to help you. I ONLY WANTED TO HELP! And what did you say to me?
-->'''Past Mr. Incredible:''' (''dismissing him as [=IncrediBoy=]'') Fly home, Buddy. IWorkAlone.
-->'''Syndrome:''' It tore me apart. But I learned an important lesson. (''as his younger self furiously hurls a Mr. Incredible art print off of his wall'') [[StartOfDarkness You can't count on anyone... especially your heroes]].
-->'''Mr. Incredible:''' (''present'') I-I was wrong to treat you that way! I'm sorry.
-->'''Syndrome:''' See? ''[[RejectedApology Now]]'' [[RejectedApology you respect me. Because I'm a]] ''[[RejectedApology threat]]''.

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-->'''Syndrome:''' [[ThatManIsDead MY NAME IS NOT]] ''[[ThatManIsDead BUDDY!]]'' And it's not [=IncrediBoy=], either! ''That'' ship has sailed. All I wanted was to help you. I ONLY WANTED TO HELP! And what did you say to me?
-->'''Past
me?\\
'''Past
Mr. Incredible:''' (''dismissing him as [=IncrediBoy=]'') Fly home, Buddy. IWorkAlone.
-->'''Syndrome:'''
IWorkAlone.\\
'''Syndrome:'''
It tore me apart. But I learned an important lesson. (''as his younger self furiously hurls a Mr. Incredible art print off of his wall'') [[StartOfDarkness You can't count on anyone... especially your heroes]].
-->'''Mr.
heroes]].\\
'''Mr.
Incredible:''' (''present'') I-I was wrong to treat you that way! I'm sorry.
-->'''Syndrome:'''
sorry.\\
'''Syndrome:'''
See? ''[[RejectedApology Now]]'' [[RejectedApology you respect me. Because I'm a]] ''[[RejectedApology threat]]''.



-->'''Snug''': ''[Panicked]'' India-gulf niner-niner is buddy-spiked! Friendlies 1-5 miles south!! Abort! ABORT! DISENGAGE DISENGAGE!!
-->''[Dialouge between Helen, Dash, and Violet plays out like in the final movie in between Snug's lines]''
-->'''Snug''': Abort! Abort! '''''Women and children aboard!!''''' SAY AGAIN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN ABOARD!!
-->'''Snug''': ''[Terrified, Last Words]'' '''ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!!!!'''

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-->'''Snug''': --->'''Snug:''' ''[Panicked]'' India-gulf niner-niner is buddy-spiked! Friendlies 1-5 miles south!! Abort! ABORT! DISENGAGE DISENGAGE!!
-->''[Dialouge
DISENGAGE!!\\
''[Dialouge
between Helen, Dash, and Violet plays out like in the final movie in between Snug's lines]''
-->'''Snug''':
lines]''\\
'''Snug:'''
Abort! Abort! '''''Women and children aboard!!''''' SAY AGAIN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN ABOARD!!
-->'''Snug''':
ABOARD!!\\
'''Snug:'''
''[Terrified, Last Words]'' '''ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!!!!'''



-->'''Dash''': What about the...the pilot?
-->''[Helen simply shakes her head.]''

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-->'''Dash''': -->'''Dash:''' What about the...the pilot?
-->''[Helen
pilot?\\
''[Helen
simply shakes her head.]''



** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: [[spoiler:Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a conference meeting with Supers (which completely derails Bob's second visit to the island, meaning that he never meets Syndrome in this universe), effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings as their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering Violet a job working with her boss Syndrome who tells her, that he's her father's biggest fan, a job Violet accepts immediately (which allows Violet to be the Superhero her parents and the law didn't want her to be, but to protect her younger brothers) that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil (a fact Violet is unaware of), with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Superhero Relocation Act was all a lie.]]

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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: [[spoiler:Violet Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a conference meeting with Supers (which completely derails Bob's second visit to the island, meaning that he never meets Syndrome in this universe), effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings as their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering Violet a job working with her boss Syndrome who tells her, that he's her father's biggest fan, a job Violet accepts immediately (which allows Violet to be the Superhero her parents and the law didn't want her to be, but to protect her younger brothers) that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil (a fact Violet is unaware of), with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Superhero Relocation Act was all a lie.]]
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* When Mr. Incredible learns the totality of Syndrome's plan via computer, especially when you remember that all the supers who died perfecting the Omnidroid weren't just allies or co-workers of Mr. Incredible; they were his ''friends''. Several of them had been at his wedding, and he recognized Gazerbeam instantly upon seeing the picture of his secret identity in the paper. Also remember that each of the supers had gotten the exact same message as Mr. Incredible, reminding them of their Glory Days, asking them to come back and make a difference one last time... and leading them to be unceremoniously slaughtered to perfect a machine that will be used to discredit supers once and for all. Really, how could ''anyone'' see Syndrome as a sympathetic character after ''that''?

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* When Mr. Incredible learns the totality of Syndrome's plan via computer, especially when you remember that all the supers who died perfecting the Omnidroid weren't just allies or co-workers colleagues of Mr. Incredible; they were his ''friends''. Several of them had been at his wedding, and he recognized Gazerbeam instantly upon seeing the picture of his secret identity in the paper. Also remember that each of the supers had gotten the exact same message as Mr. Incredible, reminding them of their Glory Days, asking them to come back and make a difference one last time... and leading them to be unceremoniously slaughtered to perfect a machine that will be used to discredit supers once and for all. Really, how could ''anyone'' see Syndrome as a sympathetic character after ''that''?
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* When Mr. Incredible learns the totality of Syndrome's plan via computer, especially when you remember that all the supers who died perfecting the Omnidroid weren't just allies of Mr. Incredible; they were his ''friends''. Several of them had been at his wedding, and he recognized Gazerbeam instantly upon seeing the picture of his secret identity in the paper. Also remember that each of the supers had gotten the exact same message as Mr. Incredible, reminding them of their Glory Days, asking them to come back and make a difference one last time... and leading them to be unceremoniously slaughtered to perfect a machine that will be used to discredit supers once and for all. Really, how could ''anyone'' see Syndrome as a sympathetic character after ''that''?

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* When Mr. Incredible learns the totality of Syndrome's plan via computer, especially when you remember that all the supers who died perfecting the Omnidroid weren't just allies or co-workers of Mr. Incredible; they were his ''friends''. Several of them had been at his wedding, and he recognized Gazerbeam instantly upon seeing the picture of his secret identity in the paper. Also remember that each of the supers had gotten the exact same message as Mr. Incredible, reminding them of their Glory Days, asking them to come back and make a difference one last time... and leading them to be unceremoniously slaughtered to perfect a machine that will be used to discredit supers once and for all. Really, how could ''anyone'' see Syndrome as a sympathetic character after ''that''?
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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: [[spoiler:Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a meeting with Supers (which derails Bob's second visit to the island, meaning he never meets Syndrome in this universe), effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings as their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering Violet a job (that not only allows Violet to be the Superhero her parents didn't want her to be, but to protect her younger brothers) that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil, with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Superhero Relocation Act was all a lie.]]

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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: [[spoiler:Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a conference meeting with Supers (which completely derails Bob's second visit to the island, meaning that he never meets Syndrome in this universe), effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings as their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering Violet a job (that not only working with her boss Syndrome who tells her, that he's her father's biggest fan, a job Violet accepts immediately (which allows Violet to be the Superhero her parents and the law didn't want her to be, but to protect her younger brothers) that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil, evil (a fact Violet is unaware of), with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Superhero Relocation Act was all a lie.]]
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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: [[spoiler: Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a meeting with Supers (which derails Bob's second visit to the island, meaning he never meets Syndrome), effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings as their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering Violet a job that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil, with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Supers banishment was a lie.]]

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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: [[spoiler: Violet [[spoiler:Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a meeting with Supers (which derails Bob's second visit to the island, meaning he never meets Syndrome), Syndrome in this universe), effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings as their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering Violet a job (that not only allows Violet to be the Superhero her parents didn't want her to be, but to protect her younger brothers) that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil, with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Supers banishment Superhero Relocation Act was all a lie.]]
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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: [[spoiler: Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a meeting with Supers, effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings, while offering Violet a job that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil.]]

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** ''Literature/ATwistedTale'' a series of DarkerAndEdgier AlternateUniverse books, showing what would happen if a important plot point that took place in Disney's beloved films went completely off the rails into darker territory, reveals an upcoming book based on ''The Incredibles'' called ''Suddenly Super'' (set to be released on August 31st, 2023 for UK readers). With the scenario showing ''What if Violet was an agent of Syndrome?'' and it's early plot details revealed: [[spoiler: Violet gets grounded indefinitely by her mom Helen for illegally using her powers to wreck a party she wanted no part in. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are supposedly killed off by the NSA while attending a meeting with Supers, Supers (which derails Bob's second visit to the island, meaning he never meets Syndrome), effectively making ''Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack orphans'' and Mirage coming over to ''protect'' the Parr siblings, siblings as their new babysitter after killing the original babysitter, while offering Violet a job that sends her on the path of becoming a ''supervillain'' by working with Syndrome as his personal agent of evil.evil, with poor Violet herself coming to the conclusion that the Supers banishment was a lie.]]
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** And the kicker: Buddy's mom (unseen) was likely ''allowing'' her son's ego to grow out of control, by simply ''not raising'' him. Meaning she's just as responsible for Buddy's fall to villainy and eventual death, if not moreso than Mr. Incredible was, if she ever found out at all.
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* Stratogale was still in high school when she got sucked into that airplane engine.

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* Stratogale was still in high school when she got sucked into that airplane engine.engine, making her no older than ''Violet's'' age when she died.



** The implications of the deleted scene then show that Violet was actually battling a serious case of ''anorexia'' (which was a serious hot topic at the time of the film's release) and she was more or less slowly ''killing herself by starving herself to death'' simply because of her imperfections and the stress of not being able to use her powers, suddenly her desire to not eat dinner during the dinner scene takes on a darker meaning.

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** The implications of the deleted scene then show that Violet was actually battling a serious case of ''anorexia'' (which was a serious hot topic at the time of the film's release) and she was more or less slowly ''killing herself by starving herself to death'' simply because of her imperfections and the stress of not being able to use her powers, suddenly her desire to not eat dinner during the dinner scene takes on a darker meaning.meaning, no wonder this scene (alongside the after mentioned affair scene with Helen) was the second to go, since having the implications of a young girl ''who's no older than 14'' deliberately attempting to commit suicide via '' anorexic starvation'' wasn't family friendly.
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** The implications of the deleted scene then show that Violet was actually battling a serious case of ''anorexia'' (which was a serious hot topic at the time of the film's release) and she was more or less slowly ''killing herself by starving herself to death'' simply because of her imperfections and the stress of not being able to use her powers, suddenly her desire to not eat dinner during the dinner scene takes on a darker meaning.
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** The guy Helen gets the plane from actually goes with the family. Brad Bird explained that the pilot is actually one of Helen's best friends from the glory days, named Snug Porter. His job was her personal pilot, as many other Supers who couldn't fly had their own pilots too. He's such a friendly and funny guy too. When Syndrome blows them up, [[RedShirt he doesn't survive]]. Snug braves the missiles that attack the plane while shouting for them to abort because there is a "woman and children on board!". When Violet can't summon a shield big enough, Snug's face braces for the inevitable explosion. Helen has to make a SadisticChoice between saving him or her kids and chooses the kids. When they end up in the water, later on, [[DeadHatShot Snug's cap rises from the wreckage of the plane]]. Helen has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone expression as she surfaces, and the kids are somberly quiet when she wordlessly tells them Snug didn't make it. Note this wasn't a Super; Snug was an ordinary guy and a trusted family friend. Mercifully, while Brad Bird fought to keep Snug in, he admitted that the character had to mostly be cut, since building enough of his character to make his death impactful would eat up too much of the movie's time. Nevertheless, it's glad that a guy as nice as this wasn't killed off, because this deleted scene was traumatic.

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** The guy Helen gets the plane from actually goes with the family. Brad Bird explained that the pilot is actually one of Helen's best friends from the glory days, named Snug Porter. His job was her personal pilot, as many other Supers who couldn't fly had their own pilots too. He's such a friendly and funny guy too. When Syndrome blows them up, [[RedShirt he doesn't survive]]. Snug braves the missiles that attack the plane while shouting for them to abort because there is a "woman and children on board!". When Violet can't summon a shield big enough, Snug's face braces for the inevitable explosion. Helen has to make a SadisticChoice between saving him or her kids and chooses the kids. When they end up in the water, later on, [[DeadHatShot Snug's cap rises from the wreckage of the plane]]. Helen has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone expression as she surfaces, and the kids are somberly quiet when she wordlessly tells them Snug didn't make it. Note this wasn't a Super; Snug was an ordinary guy and a trusted family friend. Mercifully, while Brad Bird fought to keep Snug in, he admitted that the character had to mostly be cut, since building enough of his character to make his death impactful would eat up too much of the movie's time. Nevertheless, it's glad that a guy as nice as this wasn't killed off, off in the final movie, because this deleted scene was traumatic.



-->'''Snug''': Abort! Abort! ''Women and Children aboard!!'' SAY AGAIN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN ABOARD!!

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-->'''Helen''': ''[Panicked]'' MAYDAY MAYDAY!! India-gulf niner-niner is buddy spiked! Abort! ABORT! There are ''children'' aboard! Say again, there are children aboard this plane!!

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-->'''Helen''': ''[Panicked]'' MAYDAY MAYDAY!! India-gulf niner-niner is buddy spiked! buddy-spiked! Abort! ABORT! There are ''children'' aboard! Say again, there are children aboard this plane!!



** The guy Helen gets the plane from actually goes with the family. When Syndrome blows them up, [[RedShirt he doesn't survive]]. Snug braves the missiles that attack the plane while shouting for them to abort because there is a "woman and children on board!". When Violet can't summon a shield big enough, Snug's face braces for the inevitable explosion. Helen has to make a SadisticChoice between saving him or her kids and chooses the kids. When they end up in the water, later on, [[DeadHatShot Snug's cap rises from the wreckage of the plane]]. Helen has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone expression as she surfaces, and the kids are somberly quiet when she wordlessly tells them Snug didn't make it. Note this wasn't a Super; Snug was an ordinary guy and a trusted family friend. Mercifully, while Brad Bird fought to keep Snug in, he admitted that the character had to mostly be cut, since building enough of his character to make his death impactful would eat up too much of the movie's time.

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** The guy Helen gets the plane from actually goes with the family. Brad Bird explained that the pilot is actually one of Helen's best friends from the glory days, named Snug Porter. His job was her personal pilot, as many other Supers who couldn't fly had their own pilots too. He's such a friendly and funny guy too. When Syndrome blows them up, [[RedShirt he doesn't survive]]. Snug braves the missiles that attack the plane while shouting for them to abort because there is a "woman and children on board!". When Violet can't summon a shield big enough, Snug's face braces for the inevitable explosion. Helen has to make a SadisticChoice between saving him or her kids and chooses the kids. When they end up in the water, later on, [[DeadHatShot Snug's cap rises from the wreckage of the plane]]. Helen has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone expression as she surfaces, and the kids are somberly quiet when she wordlessly tells them Snug didn't make it. Note this wasn't a Super; Snug was an ordinary guy and a trusted family friend. Mercifully, while Brad Bird fought to keep Snug in, he admitted that the character had to mostly be cut, since building enough of his character to make his death impactful would eat up too much of the movie's time. Nevertheless, it's glad that a guy as nice as this wasn't killed off, because this deleted scene was traumatic.
-->'''Snug''': ''[Panicked]'' India-gulf niner-niner is buddy-spiked! Friendlies 1-5 miles south!! Abort! ABORT! DISENGAGE DISENGAGE!!
-->''[Dialouge between Helen, Dash, and Violet plays out like in the final movie in between Snug's lines]''
-->'''Snug''': Abort! Abort! ''Women and Children aboard!!'' SAY AGAIN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN ABOARD!!
-->'''Snug''': ''[Terrified, Last Words]'' '''ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!!!!'''
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-->'''Dash''': What about the...the pilot?
-->''[Helen simply shakes her head.]''
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-->'''Helen''': ''[Panicked]'' MAYDAY MAYDAY!! India-gulf niner-niner is buddy spiked! Abort! ABORT! There are ''children'' aboard! Say again, there are children aboard this plane!!
-->''[As Helen repeats that the kids are on board in the control room, Mirage's face changes to absolute terror, and Bob's eyes pop with horror.]''
-->'''Bob''': ''[Gut-Punched]'' '''''NO!!!'''''
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* The "parent fighting" scene. The looks on Dash and Violet's faces after their parents know that their kids heard them. It's especially hard to watch for those who grew up witnessing parental arguments.
* "Does this mean we have to move again?" is teary to the eyes for anyone who had to move a lot as a kid.
* Mr. Incredible in his room pondering whether or not to take the mission, and seeing all the memorabilia of things he has accomplished throughout his superheroic career just makes your heart drop at how much he's done.
* When Helen listens in on the phone call between Bob and Mirage and assumes them to be having an affair, the look on her face when she says "I love you, so much," is heartbreaking.
** Even more so when you take in Bob's casual attitude towards her as he goes off to "work"-- from her perspective, he's brushing her off because he's got someone new, but from ''his'' perspective, everything is just hunky-dory as usual.
** For a brief second after he hears Helen's "I love you", Bob just kind of stops in confusion. He can tell something is off, but doesn't know why, especially since to him, everything is going perfectly. Including and especially his relationship with Helen. ''She'' thinks he's having an affair, but ''he'' thinks he's actually giving his family the life they've deserved for the first time in more than a decade - doing a version of what he loves, no less.
** You can also imagine how Helen feels after this scene. She had obviously been enjoying the last two months with her and Bob having a more active sex life and Bob finally bonding with their children as well as the new cars and him getting in shape. Then she thinks the reason Bob has been so happy is that he has fallen for another woman. No doubt she feels betrayed by all this.
*** This gives a new perspective to the scene where Helen sees her weight gain in her new supersuit and is obviously upset. It's played for laughs but it's quite heartbreaking if you think of the context of how she believes Bob is cheating on her. She probably is thinking how she's lost her figure after 15 years of retirement and three children and it has caused Bob to no longer be attracted to her as a result.
** The scene where Helen punches out Mirage (believing she and Bob are having an affair) and then Bob pulls her in by her still extended arm, she angrily tries to break from his grasp and calls him a "lousy, lying, unfaithful creep". You can hear the obvious pain in her voice, thinking her fears have come true and that she's been betrayed by the man she loved and counted on for so long as well as the father of her children. Fortunately, they're able to clear the air while running outside to rescue the kids, with Bob saying that he should have admitted that he was fired and he's just happy that she and their children are alive.
*** She punches Mirage out after she calls her "Mrs. Incredible". This seems to be Helen feeling like this woman is rubbing salt into her wounds since not only has she been having an affair with Bob, she did this while already knowing he was married.
* When Mr. Incredible learns the totality of Syndrome's plan via computer, especially when you remember that all the supers who died perfecting the Omnidroid weren't just allies of Mr. Incredible; they were his ''friends''. Several of them had been at his wedding, and he recognized Gazerbeam instantly upon seeing the picture of his secret identity in the paper. Also remember that each of the supers had gotten the exact same message as Mr. Incredible, reminding them of their Glory Days, asking them to come back and make a difference one last time... and leading them to be unceremoniously slaughtered to perfect a machine that will be used to discredit supers once and for all. Really, how could ''anyone'' see Syndrome as a sympathetic character after ''that''?
** In all likelihood, this means that Bob's wedding - the happiest day of his life - was the last day he saw some of his best friends alive.
** Look at his face when he sees that Helen's whereabouts are listed as unknown. That is some serious "Oh thank God, she's safe, they don't know where she is, she's safe..." And then he sees that Frozone, who is in the same city, has his location verified. This has [[FridgeHorror tragic implications]]: unlike Helen, Frozone and Mr. Incredible refused to live normal civilian lives and took on the roles of vigilante heroes, and their locations were both in Syndrome's database. This, and the fact Mirage only confirms Bob to be a potential target after they rescued people from a burning building, means the heroes who were killed by Syndrome's Omnidroids were actually trying [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight to use their power for the greater good despite the government's Super secrecy policy]]. And their reward was [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished death]]. If Helen putting herself in danger and nearly dying to rescue Bob is any indication, some of these heroes might've also went on their own to Syndrome's island in order to rescue/avenge their loved ones, in vain.
** It's even worse when you saw the second disk of the DVD and saw the superhero files. If you do that, then rewatch the scene, you start recognizing those pictures. You've read their dossiers, listened to their recordings, probably learned everything about them. Those faces will have names, stories, personalities. Who doesn't experience the same shock that Bob does?
** The kicker? The reason he is shocked isn't just because most of his friends and peers are dead. It is that the ''reason'' they are dead in the first place was because [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom he inadvertently created Syndrome with his rejection and was one of the biggest factors in supers having to go into hiding in the first place]], meaning that he just has as much, if not more blame for all their deaths.
* The scene on the plane when Helen realizes that Syndrome's missiles are going to hit them and they cannot be stopped, all the while frantically yelling "Abort, abort, abort! There are children onboard!" into the radio. Her face shows pure terror. She then unhesitatingly leaps into the back of the plane at the last second, fully prepared to die for her son and daughter.
** "''Put a field around us NOW!''" and Violet's face as she tries in vain to.
*** And later, when Helen leaves Dash and Violet in the cave, Violet runs out after her and apologizes for this.
** And Bob, being [[ForcedToWatch forced to listen]].
*** The way Bob just broke down and begged for their lives. He is a strong hero who usually will beat up someone who causes him problems. But he cannot do so due to being chained by Syndrome. He sounds so desperate as he listens to the love of his life and his children in the crash. Plus the defeated look on his face when Mirage confirms the plane was destroyed.
** Mirage's [[EveryoneHasStandards expression of pure horror]] upon hearing "There are children on board!" from the receiver signifies one thing: Her boss has deliberately sent missiles to shoot down a plane which has now just been discovered to have children on board, and even with this new information ''[[MoralEventHorizon he still doesn't call them off]]''. A mother and her children are going to ''die'' [[ForcedToWatch and Bob and Mirage are unable to do anything but listen to the inevitable explosion.]]
* Bob initially believes his family has been killed. Syndrome's KickTheDog line about working alone only makes things worse. You can even hear him weeping bitterly in the background as Syndrome walks away, it's heartbreaking.
** And just look at him afterward when Mirage comes in to free him. For a few seconds, [[DespairEventHorizon he's so broken]] that his first instinct is to strangle her.
* It's all but confirmed that Mirage and Syndrome are in a relationship. She says that they're both attracted to power, and he's her weakness. Despite the fact that Syndrome shot down a plane with children, Mirage still pushed him out of the way when Incredible attacked. Then when Incredible threatened to snap her neck unless he was freed, Syndrome ''dared him to do it''. You can see the heartbreak on her face that Syndrome doesn't care about her the way she does for him.
* Later, Mirage makes no bare-bones about her disappointment and anger in her boss-boyfriend: "He's not weak. Valuing life is not a weakness. And disregarding it is not a strength." Syndrome tries to explain that he was calling Incredible's bluff that the man wouldn't be able to take a life, but Mirage doesn't buy it, nor should she. She tells him bitterly to gamble his own life next time and storms away from him.
* Helen explaining the difference between SaturdayMorningCartoon [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain villains]] and the mooks who WouldHurtAChild. She really doesn't want to shatter her kids' expectations like that, but they have to know. Sure, the kids are resourceful and they will make it out alive, but Helen's line still gives us the possibility that they might not.
* And when Bob reveals to Helen just why he'd prefer to take on the Omnidroid alone, as a direct result of the above.
-->'''Bob''': I CAN'T LOSE YOU AGAIN! ...I can't. Not again. I'm not... strong enough.
-->'''Helen''': If we work together, you won't have to be.
** [[https://theflyingredrobot.tumblr.com/post/60464752401/thetinkertoyboy-disneyscouples-disney-love The commentary from the scene that the above dialogue comes from.]]
** The look on Helen's face when he says it implies that he's never shown this kind of fear before-- but of course he hasn't. He's the Superman of his world, the strongest hero who ever lived. He can act cocky because a part of him ''knows'' that he'll always be able to save everyone. And then he got beaten down like a helpless child by a weaker version of the monster his family is about to confront. He no longer has the confidence that he'll be able to protect them.
** This is also the moment where it dawns on her that Bob was listening in to the air traffic radio when the missiles were chasing her plane, and why he was so relieved and acquiescent to her confrontational and argumentative stance when they were escaping Syndrome's complex the first time. She just realized to her horror that he thought she and their kids were ''dead'' for a period of time.
* Syndrome's MotiveRant. It sounded so much like he was still [[BrokenPedestal that disillusioned kid]], and who doesn't remember how much those kinds of disillusions hurt? While the later revelation of his true plans and actions will definitely put a damper on the sympathy, it's hard not to feel for Syndrome in [[https://youtu.be/iRlh_w6uRds?t=36 that very moment.]] Hell, even [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Bob himself looks and sounds genuinely guilty]] when he realizes how much he unintentionally hurt him.
-->'''Syndrome:''' [[ThatManIsDead MY NAME IS NOT]] ''[[ThatManIsDead BUDDY!]]'' And it's not [=IncrediBoy=], either! ''That'' ship has sailed. All I wanted was to help you. I ONLY WANTED TO HELP! And what did you say to me?
-->'''Past Mr. Incredible:''' (''dismissing him as [=IncrediBoy=]'') Fly home, Buddy. IWorkAlone.
-->'''Syndrome:''' It tore me apart. But I learned an important lesson. (''as his younger self furiously hurls a Mr. Incredible art print off of his wall'') [[StartOfDarkness You can't count on anyone... especially your heroes]].
-->'''Mr. Incredible:''' (''present'') I-I was wrong to treat you that way! I'm sorry.
-->'''Syndrome:''' See? ''[[RejectedApology Now]]'' [[RejectedApology you respect me. Because I'm a]] ''[[RejectedApology threat]]''.
* It's very brief but during the fight with the Omnidroid, Dash tells his father to throw Syndrome's remote, and Bob does. While he's running for the remote, we can see Helen. The look on her face is heart-wrenching; just imagine having to watch one of your children, who's only about 9 or 10, being attacked by a machine whose purpose is to kill people like you and your child. And the way she reaches out her arms to her son, but he's too fast....No parent should have to go through that.
* Syndrome's attempted kidnapping of Jack-Jack. He freezes all of them so that they're helpless to stop him gloating about how he's taking away their future, then blows a hole through their roof to escape. After he takes off, Jack-Jack wakes up and immediately starts crying in terror. It's made even worse by the terror on all their frozen faces, and when they try stopping him from getting away they can't, for fear that they'll kill their baby son.
** The sheer ''desperation'' in Helen's voice as she screams "Bob, throw '''''me'''''!!"
** Note Violet's reaction: it was her idea to get a babysitter to watch Jack-Jack while she and Dash helped their mother. You can see the guilt on her face that the "replacement" was less than ideal.
** And to add further salt into the wound as seen in the DeletedScene ''WesternAnimation/Incredibles2'', Jack-Jack's powers ultimately lead to Kari getting her memory erased and likewise her parents blaming the Parrs for their daughter losing her memory, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice going Violet, you're really starting your superhero career off the right way.]]
* Do you remember Thunderhead? Tall, storm powers? Accidentally got his cape hooked onto a missile and strangled to death? In the [[AllThereInTheManual "superhero profile" special features on the DVD,]] it's revealed that he left behind a [[HideYourGays "roommate"]] and their adopted kids.
** Worse yet, we also learn through the DVD extras that Thunderhead wasn't simply dim but notably mentally disabled; he didn't graduate school, could barely read, had severe problems focusing, and even more, difficulty expressing himself. He was a kind man and an incredibly powerful superhero, let down by a society that had no idea how to help people like him, especially since going by the setting he was probably in school sometime between 1930 and 1940 (having perished in 1958).
* Stratogale was still in high school when she got sucked into that airplane engine.
** A ''bird'' can cause the airplane engine to malfunction; Stratogale was a FlyingBrick. Those kids she was waving at and everyone else on the plane are either dead or went through what likely were the two most psychologically scarring events of their lives in one go.
** It gets worse. Look closely, and you'll see that smoke is coming out of the plane engine before Stratogale gets caught in it. That means that she was in the middle of saving that plane from crashing (or rendering assistance to help it land safely). It's very likely that her body getting sliced up by the turbines just made the damage worse. Wanna know what makes the scene even worse? An alarm can briefly be heard after she gets sucked in, most likely coming from the plane's instrument panel, meaning that the already damaged engine was compromised completely. In fact, with the exception of Thunderhead, who successfully redirected the missile's flight path, most of the supers who died because of their capes never got to save anyone calling for help.
** Her cause of death is listed as suit malfunction. That hilarious "no capes" rant suddenly becomes the most depressing thing in the world.
*** On that note, how do you think ''Edna'' feels about all this? She designed those outfits. All of them. And all of them led to the wearers dying (or in Splashdown's case, going missing). This causes her vehement refusal to give Bob a cape and her statement that she "never looks back" to take on a much darker meaning.
*** Edna remembered ''every single date'' that those heroes died because of a cape malfunction. Being a superhero is a life-or-death situation, so Edna takes her work very seriously. To know that multiple heroes died because of faulty designs on her part must be unbearable.
* Bob's work at his job - being stuck at an insurance company that refuses to insure people who desperately need (and legally deserve) the money, topped off by a cruel, selfish boss who yells at Bob for ''doing his job''. There's also the implication that he doesn't discuss this with Helen at all, as she's under the impression that he "helps people" for a living. Kudos to him that he doesn't give up, whispering for customers on how to find loopholes and ordering them to cry loudly when they leave.
** Bob's job woes can hit the viewer right in the gut because how many of us in our lives have tried to do good at our jobs, only to be held back by some jerk manager? Bob just looks completely broken and tired when he gets called into the meeting, barely mustering the strength to speak. This is one of the greatest superheroes who ever lived, and all it took was a crappy 9-to-5 to break him. It's summed up perfectly (and somewhat humorously) in his exchange after he's fired.
--->'''Bob:''' ''[notices Rusty as he gets out of his car]'' Well, what are you waiting for?!\\
'''Rusty:''' ''[shrugs]'' I don't know. Something amazing, I guess...\\
'''Bob:''' ''[sighs dejectedly]'' [[IJustWantToBeFree Me too, kid...]]
** The scene where Bob is getting yelled at by said boss. He happens to look to the left where he sees a man being attacked in an alley. Every part of him just wants to burst out of the building and save him as a normal hero would. However, his boss's callous reaction and threat to fire him forces him to stay and watch the attacker walk away. For a superhero, that must have killed him, knowing that he could have saved someone, but couldn't.
** The movie opened up with an interview with Mr. Incredible in his prime. He talks about how he'd like to one day retire and get a regular job. Obviously, he was planning to help people as a regular guy, but instead, he's strangled by the red tape and expected to slam the door in the faces of people who need his help the most.
* Think about the story from Violet's point of view. All her life, she's had to hide her powers from the world, is it any wonder she's such a ShrinkingViolet for most of the film?
* There's a deleted/unfinished scene where Violet rants to her mom about how much she hates herself (which can be seen in the "Vowellet" special feature).
-->'''Helen:''' Don't be silly. You're beautiful.\\
'''Violet:''' I'm gangly.\\
'''Helen:''' You're growing.\\
'''Violet:''' I'm gangly, and growing ganglier. I'm ugly, I have no curves, my friends are dorkier than I am, I don't talk, but my brain won't shut up!
* The footage of Mr. Incredible getting tangled up in a lawsuit over stopping a man from committing suicide but giving him whiplash. After being painted as the bad guy he loses his cool and yells at the man he just saved for being ungrateful.
* While his past doesn't excuse any of his actions, it is sad seeing Buddy Pine go from a sweet kid to a murderous supervillain. Seeing a cute kid grow into such a monster is heartbreaking. He went from an aspiring sidekick to a serial killer of superheroes. While he probably deserved it for all the crimes he committed, it's easy to mourn the child he used to be when he ends up getting killed in the end.
** What's worse is that Bob is actually quite reasonable. He points out that he's been giving the kid a lot of merchandise as thanks for his support, but can't take him on for superhero work. Why? Because it is ''dangerous''. It's only when Buddy endangers his life, as well as that of innocent passerby’s, that Mr. Incredible tells the police he needs to go home to his parents. Yet Buddy couldn't comprehend that he was gambling lives, and decided to become a villain to "prove" he was better than his hero. He had the potential for good but had his ego leading him for all his life.
* Hearing the interviews at the beginning of the film as well as listening to the NSA profiles on the DVD extra, it makes it all the sadder about the fact Bob and Helen had to give up a career they were so good at. Sure, Bob made a huge mistake with his handling of Oliver Sansweet as well as the train incident, but again, this was not on purpose. They and so many other superheroes had so much potential and did so much good for their communities, it was sad they had to quit when they still had a lot in them.
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** Helen actually confronts Bob about the hair on his business suit, that is platinum-blond. He tries to lie that it was the dry-cleaner woman's, but she asks bluntly: is he having an affair? Bob says no, of course not! But he can't tell her why he's going on these trips all of a sudden. He leaves her in the closet, where she starts to cry. This was cut to keep the film family-friendly, but even in character, it doesn't make sense, since the minute Bob realizes what Helen was fearing after she punched Mirage in the face, he quickly came clean to her.
** As Helen fears that Bob may be cheating on her, she falls asleep on the couch and has a strange dream of Bob as Mr. Incredibles philandering with dozens of beautiful blonde women by a pool while she is a maid, appearing older than she is and Bob ignoring her entirely. When she gets fed up with her husband's infidelity, she angrily throws down the laundry basket and rushes to confront him, only to be pulled into the pool by a rope made from clothes and pulled into a washing machine. As she attempts to scream for help, Bob just ignores her in favor of the women at the pool. She then wakes up gasping, looks around the room, and holds her face in her hands. The writers stated this scene was one of the first to go as it would not be appropriate for a Disney film.
** The guy Helen gets the plane from actually goes with the family. When Syndrome blows them up, [[RedShirt he doesn't survive]]. Snug braves the missiles that attack the plane while shouting for them to abort because there is a "woman and children on board!". When Violet can't summon a shield big enough, Snug's face braces for the inevitable explosion. Helen has to make a SadisticChoice between saving him or her kids and chooses the kids. When they end up in the water, later on, [[DeadHatShot Snug's cap rises from the wreckage of the plane]]. Helen has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone expression as she surfaces, and the kids are somberly quiet when she wordlessly tells them Snug didn't make it. Note this wasn't a Super; Snug was an ordinary guy and a trusted family friend. Mercifully, while Brad Bird fought to keep Snug in, he admitted that the character had to mostly be cut, since building enough of his character to make his death impactful would eat up too much of the movie's time.
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