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* When Guilliman finally catches up with Lorgar in Betrayer. The look of total, all consuming hatred on Roboute's face makes Lorgar realize that Guilliman never despised him the way Lorgar had always assumed he had. It's not quite a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, but Lorgar feels ashamed that so many of his actions have been led by an entirely false opinion of his brother.

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* When Guilliman finally catches up with Lorgar in Betrayer. The look of total, all consuming hatred on Roboute's face makes Lorgar realize that Guilliman never despised him the way Lorgar had always assumed he had. It's not quite a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, but it speaks volumes that Lorgar feels ashamed that so many of his actions have been led by an entirely false opinion of his brother.brother.
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* When Guilliman finally catches up with Lorgar in Betrayer. The look of total, all consuming hatred on Roboute's face makes Lorgar realize that Guilliman never despised him the way Lorgar had always assumed he had. It's not quite a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, but Lorgar feels ashamed that so many of his actions have been led by an entirely false opinion of his brother.
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* Courtesy Perturabo in ''Angel Exterminatus'':
-->''[[HiddenDepths You don't know my dreams, brother.]] Nobody ever cared enough to find out.''
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* The short story ''After De'shea'', where Angron is so furious over being taken from his band of rebel gladiators he can't properly form a coherent sentence. You know that this guy goes traitor and becomes the leader of the most psychotic group of warriors in an army of psychopaths, but when he's struggling with his loss over his friends, you don't see the Daemon Prince who will burn seventy sectors or doom Armageddon...you see someone who just lost the only family he ever knew. It's really sad.

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* The short story ''After De'shea'', where Angron is so furious over being taken from his band of rebel gladiators he can't properly form a coherent sentence. You know that this guy goes traitor and becomes the leader of the most psychotic group of warriors in an army of psychopaths, but when he's struggling with his loss over his friends, his brothers and sisters, you don't see the Daemon Prince who will burn seventy sectors or doom Armageddon...you see someone who just lost the only family he ever knew. It's really sad.
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The Horus Heresy was the greatest tragedy of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. And the writers at Black Library want the readers to feel as much heart ache as the characters do.

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The Horus Heresy was the greatest tragedy of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. And the writers at Black Library want the readers to feel as much heart ache heartache as the characters do.
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* The Fall of Horus: The [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure]] [[{{Wide-Eyed Idealist}} idealistic]] and utterly LawfulGood Horus [[FallenHero becoming]] the BigBad.

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* The Fall of Horus: The [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure]] [[{{Wide-Eyed Idealist}} [[WideEyedIdealist idealistic]] and utterly LawfulGood Horus [[FallenHero becoming]] the BigBad.
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* The destruction of Monarchia and the humiliation of the Word Bearers Legion. Imagine Lorgar and his Legion, who loved the Emperor so much that he believed he was a god, even writing a book that argued that same point, and went from world to world proselytizing his religion, building grand cathedrals and inspiring masses of people. How did the Emperor respond to their efforts? By having the city of Monarchia (people included), one of the Word Bearer's crowning achievements, burned to ash by their rival Roboute Guilliman and his Ultramarines, and then forcing the entire legion to kneel in the ruins of the city, and then condeming the Word Bearers for their efforts, (efforts, by the way, had been allowed to occur for the better part of a century). and say that they all pretty much were failures, with the implication that they better straighten up or they would be purged from existence. Whatever your beliefs or philosophies, it's heartbreaking for a sincere debout son to be slapped down so hard. Seems that a lot of the Horus Heresy could have been avoided if the Emperor treated his Primarchs more like people instead of just soldiers.

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* The destruction of Monarchia and the humiliation of the Word Bearers Legion. Imagine Lorgar and his Legion, who loved the Emperor so much that he believed he was a god, even writing a book that argued that same point, and went from world to world proselytizing his religion, building grand cathedrals and inspiring masses of people. How did the Emperor respond to their efforts? By having the city of Monarchia (people included), one of the Word Bearer's crowning achievements, burned to ash by their rival Roboute Guilliman and his Ultramarines, and then forcing the entire legion to kneel in the ruins of the city, and then condeming the Word Bearers for their efforts, (efforts, by the way, had been allowed to occur for the better part of a century). and say that they all pretty much were failures, with the implication that they better straighten up or they would be purged from existence. Whatever your beliefs or philosophies, it's heartbreaking for a sincere debout devout son to be slapped down so hard. Seems that a lot of the Horus Heresy could have been avoided if the Emperor treated his Primarchs more like people instead of just soldiers.
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* The destruction of Monarchia and the humiliation of the Word Bearers Legion. Imagine Lorgar and his Legion, who loved the Emperor so much that he believed he was a god, even writing a book that argued that same point, and went from world to world proselytizing his religion, building grand cathedrals and inspiring masses of people. How did the Emperor responded to his efforts? By having the city of Monarchia, including the people, one of the Word Bearer's crowning achievements, burned to ash by their rival Roboute Guilliman and his Ultramarines, and then forcing the entire legion to kneel in the ruins of the city, and then condemn him for his efforts, (efforts, by the way, had been allowed to occur for the better part of a century). and say that they all pretty much were failures, with the implication that they better straighten up or they would be purged from existence. Whatever your beliefs or philosophies, it's heartbreaking for a sincere debout son to be slapped down so hard. Seems that a lot of the Horus Heresy could have been avoided if the Emperor treated his Primarchs more like people instead of just soldiers.

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* The destruction of Monarchia and the humiliation of the Word Bearers Legion. Imagine Lorgar and his Legion, who loved the Emperor so much that he believed he was a god, even writing a book that argued that same point, and went from world to world proselytizing his religion, building grand cathedrals and inspiring masses of people. How did the Emperor responded respond to his their efforts? By having the city of Monarchia, including the people, Monarchia (people included), one of the Word Bearer's crowning achievements, burned to ash by their rival Roboute Guilliman and his Ultramarines, and then forcing the entire legion to kneel in the ruins of the city, and then condemn him condeming the Word Bearers for his their efforts, (efforts, by the way, had been allowed to occur for the better part of a century). and say that they all pretty much were failures, with the implication that they better straighten up or they would be purged from existence. Whatever your beliefs or philosophies, it's heartbreaking for a sincere debout son to be slapped down so hard. Seems that a lot of the Horus Heresy could have been avoided if the Emperor treated his Primarchs more like people instead of just soldiers.
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*The destruction of Monarchia and the humiliation of the Word Bearers Legion. Imagine Lorgar and his Legion, who loved the Emperor so much that he believed he was a god, even writing a book that argued that same point, and went from world to world proselytizing his religion, building grand cathedrals and inspiring masses of people. How did the Emperor responded to his efforts? By having the city of Monarchia, including the people, one of the Word Bearer's crowning achievements, burned to ash by their rival Roboute Guilliman and his Ultramarines, and then forcing the entire legion to kneel in the ruins of the city, and then condemn him for his efforts, (efforts, by the way, had been allowed to occur for the better part of a century). and say that they all pretty much were failures, with the implication that they better straighten up or they would be purged from existence. Whatever your beliefs or philosophies, it's heartbreaking for a sincere debout son to be slapped down so hard. Seems that a lot of the Horus Heresy could have been avoided if the Emperor treated his Primarchs more like people instead of just soldiers.
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** The fate of [[spoiler:Meros]] is also pretty damn depressing even by 40K standards. [[spoiler:Most {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s are at least merciful enough to kill you. Meros's, however...death would probably be preferable.]]
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** As of "The Primarchs" novella "The Lion", that nightmare scenario has been averted, but in the absolute worst way possible: [[spoiler: During his time in the Crusade, Nemiel became a Brother-Redemptor (predecessor the Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplains in ''40k'') charged with upholding the Edict of Nikea banning Librarians. When Lion El'Jonson's flagship gets pulled into a warp-rift allowing Daemons to invade the ''Invincible Reason'', Jonson decides to revoke the Edict of Nikea after one former-Librarian breaks the Edict and uses his powers to effortlessly destroy one of the Daemons. Nemiel is oath-bound to prevent this, and looks set to fight his own Primarch, when Jonson suddenly lashes out and behead Nemiel with a single swipe. So when Lion El'Jonson finally returns to Caliban, there's little doubt that Zahariel will learn that his cousin was killed by Jonson, and it's doubtful that Zahariel will be feeling much loyalty to his Primarch...]]

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** As of "The Primarchs" novella "The Lion", that nightmare scenario has been averted, but in the absolute worst way possible: [[spoiler: During his time in the Crusade, Nemiel became a Brother-Redemptor (predecessor the Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplains in ''40k'') charged with upholding the Edict of Nikea Nikaea banning Librarians. When Lion El'Jonson's flagship gets pulled into a warp-rift allowing Daemons to invade the ''Invincible Reason'', Jonson decides to revoke the Edict of Nikea Nikaea after one former-Librarian breaks the Edict and uses his powers to effortlessly destroy one of the Daemons. Nemiel is oath-bound to prevent this, and looks set to fight his own Primarch, when Jonson suddenly lashes out and behead Nemiel with a single swipe. So when Lion El'Jonson finally returns to Caliban, there's little doubt that Zahariel will learn that his cousin was killed by Jonson, and it's doubtful that Zahariel will be feeling much loyalty to his Primarch...]]
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** Moments like that run throughout the Horus Heresy, and it makes the whole thing much sadder when you realize that a lot of the pain and bloodshed of the heresy was ''completely unnecessary.''
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** Really, the entire prologue, showing Horus and Sanguinius talking as loving brothers, with Sanguinius even trusting Horus enough to tell him about the flaw in the Blood Angels legion, and confiding that he's afraid his legion is going to be wiped from Imperial history. It really shows that these two brothers genuinely loved each other. Those who know their 40k backstory know that [[spoiler: Horus kills Sanguinius, and he doesn't make it quick or painless.]]

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* The confrontation between Sanguinius and Alotros in the beginning of ''Fear To Tread''. Alotros has succumbed to the Red Thirst, which unlike the Black Rage predates the Horus Heresy and has slowly begun to emerge among the Blood Angels Legion. Alotros is drinking the blood of fallen Nephilim, and Sanguinius tries to reason with him, hoping against hope that he can bring his gene-son from the depths of insanity. Alotros stares at his Primarch for moment, then attacks him, forcing Sanguinius to kill him in self-defense as it was giving Alotros [[MercyKill the Emperor's Peace]]. For years fans have speculated that Sanguinius's presence might be able to bring Blood Angels back from the depths of the Flaw. As of ''Fear To Tread'', that theory is {{Jossed}} with extreme prejudice.

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* The confrontation between Sanguinius and Alotros in the beginning of ''Fear To Tread''. Alotros has succumbed to the Red Thirst, which unlike the Black Rage predates the Horus Heresy and has slowly begun to emerge among the Blood Angels Legion. Alotros is drinking the blood of fallen Nephilim, and Sanguinius tries to reason with him, hoping against hope that he can bring his gene-son from the depths of insanity. Alotros stares at his Primarch for moment, then attacks him, forcing Sanguinius to kill him in self-defense just as much as it was giving Alotros [[MercyKill the Emperor's Peace]]. For years fans have speculated that Sanguinius's presence might be able to bring Blood Angels back from the depths of the Flaw. As of ''Fear To Tread'', that theory is {{Jossed}} with extreme prejudice.
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** As of "The Primarchs" novella "The Lion", that nightmare scenario has been averted, but in the absolute worst way possible: [[spoiler: During his time in the Crusade, Nemiel became a Brother-Redemptor (predecessor the Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplains in ''40k'') charged with upholding the Edict of Nikea banning Librarians. When Lion El'Jonson's flagship gets pulled into a warp-rift allowing Daemons to invade the ''Invincible Reason'', Jonson decides to revoke the Edict of Nikea after one former-Librarian breaks the Edict and uses his powers to effortlessly destroy one of the Daemons. Nemiel is oath-bound to prevent this, and looks set to fight his own Primarch, when Jonson suddenly lashes out and behead Nemiel with a single swipe. So when Lion El'Jonson finally returns to Caliban, there's little doubt that Zahariel will learn that his cousin was killed by Jonson, and it's doubtful that Zahariel will be feeling much loyalty to his Primarch...]]
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The Horus Heresy was the greatest tragedy of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}. And the writers at Black Library want the readers to feel as much heart ache as the characters do.

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* The confrontation between Sanguinius and Alotros in the beginning of ''Fear To Tread''. Alotros has succumbed to the Red Thirst, which unlike the Black Rage predates the Horus Heresy and has slowly begun to emerge among the Blood Angels Legion. Alotros is drinking the blood of fallen Nephilim, and Sanguinius tries to reason with him, hoping against hope that he can bring his gene-son from the depths of insanity. Alotros stares at his Primarch for moment, then attacks him, forcing Sanguinius to kill him in self-defense as it was giving Alotros [[MercyKill the Emperor's Peace]]. For years fans have speculated that Sanguinius's presence might be able to bring Blood Angels back from the depths of the Flaw. As of ''Fear To Tread'', that theory is {{Jossed}} with extreme prejudice.
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* This bit of MentalWorld [[TheReveal dialogue]] between [[JerkassWoobie Kai Zulane]] and [[spoiler:the Emperor]] in ''The Outcast Dead'':
---> 'But you're going to die.'
---> 'I know,' said [[spoiler: the Emperor]].
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* Fulgrim's MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment in ''Fulgrim''. Right after [[spoiler:killing Ferrus Mannus,]] his most beloved brother Primarch, Fulgrim realizes that everything that he took as a slight towards him from Ferrus were actually well-meant jests, and that he had doomed his Legion to heresy the moment he had taken the blade from the Laer temple.
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* Most of the scenes involving Argel Tal in ''The First Heretic'', particularly straight before he orders that the Word Bearers fire upon the loyalists on Istvaan.
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* Hell, the entire plotline of Prospero Burns and A Thousand Sons. Two brothers, almost polar opposites, but on the same side; one tries desperately to warn their father of an impending disaster, the other begs, even as he is on the way to kill his sibling, for the other to stand down and set aside what he sees as foolish heresy. Both brothers genuinely just want the best for the other. But Daemons, distrust and plain old terrible luck conspire to see the destruction of the two most deadly threats to Horus. Just to emphasise: Leman Russ and Magnus The Red disliked, distrusted and '''loved''' each other.
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** Also, Magos Uldort. She volunteered to remain at a command center that was about to be overrun by the enemy, fully aware that it was a death sentence. She nonetheless performed her duties diligently and directed all possible reinforcements to help Tawren and Venantus. Because of her, Tawren was able to retake control of the Calth defense grid, which in turn saved the remaining Ultramarines and their Primarch. The reader never sees her final moments, nor will they ever hear her voice. But the bittersweet triumph at Calth will ultimately be owed to her.

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** Also, Magos Uldort. She volunteered to remain at a command center that was about to be overrun by the enemy, fully aware that it was a death sentence. She nonetheless performed her duties diligently and directed all possible reinforcements to help Tawren and Venantus. Because of her, Tawren was able to retake control of the Calth defense grid, which in turn saved the remaining Ultramarines and their Primarch. The reader never sees her final moments, nor will they ever hear see her voice.speak a single line. But the bittersweet triumph at Calth will ultimately be owed to her.
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** Later, Tawren reveals the identity of the man who died in her arms with the following words:
---> He was, I suppose, my husband. My life partner. The Mechanicum does not think in such old-fashioned terms, and our social connections are more subtle. But yes, captain, we were close. A binary form. I miss him. I do this for him.
** Also, Magos Uldort. She volunteered to remain at a command center that was about to be overrun by the enemy, fully aware that it was a death sentence. She nonetheless performed her duties diligently and directed all possible reinforcements to help Tawren and Venantus. Because of her, Tawren was able to retake control of the Calth defense grid, which in turn saved the remaining Ultramarines and their Primarch. The reader never sees her final moments, nor will they ever hear her voice. But the bittersweet triumph at Calth will ultimately be owed to her.
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* In ''Know No Fear'', Venatus realises that the Mechanicus server has blood on her sleeves, realising that someone died, cradled in her arms.
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* Deaths of Phosis T'kar, Auramagma, Uthizzar and many of the Thousand Sons in A Thousand Sons.
** T'kar's death is one of the hardest. He butchers his way through a horde of Space Wolves and Sisters of Silence, finally reaching the legendary Constantin Valdor who calls him a monster. T'kar sees his reflection in Valdor's armour and realises he has mutated, very extremely. Before he dies he closes his eyes, sheds a tear and responds to Valdor's insult with ''"I know."''
*** When Ahriman is told of this he realises that he did infact consider T'kar a friend, and he is hurt that it took his death to realise that.
* Solomon Demeter in ''Fulgrim''. He is defending the Precentor's Palace and finds his fellow Istvaan loyalist Lucius fighting a squad of Emperor's Children marines. Solomon rushes in to kill them, which the two of them do easily. Only once they are dead does he realise that they too were Istvaan loyalists! Lucius is the real traitor. Before he can do anything Lucius fatally wounds him and declares Solomon, Tarvitz and all the other loyalists to be fools, and that he will not die with them. Solomon sheds a single tear as he dies and sees the skies begin to rain.
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* Deaths of Kiron and Gythua in ''Outcast Dead''.
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* The short story ''After De'shea'', where Angron is so furious over being taken from his band of rebel gladiators he can't properly form a coherent sentence. You know that this guy goes traitor and becomes the leader of the most psychotic group of warriors in an army of psychopaths, but when he's struggling with his loss over his friends, you don't see the Daemon Prince who will burn seventy sectors or doom Armageddon...you see someone who just lost the only family he ever knew. It's really sad.
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* The Fall of Horus: The [[IncruptiblePurePureness pure]] [[{{Wide-Eyed Idealist}} idealistic]] and utterly LawfulGood Horus [[FallenHero becoming]] the BigBad.

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* The Fall of Horus: The [[IncruptiblePurePureness [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure]] [[{{Wide-Eyed Idealist}} idealistic]] and utterly LawfulGood Horus [[FallenHero becoming]] the BigBad.
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* The Fall of Horus: The [[IncruptiblePurePureness pure]] [[{{Wide-Eyed Idealist}} idealistic]] and utterly LawfulGood Horus [[FallenHero becoming]] the BigBad.

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