History TearJerker / GameOfThrones

5th Sep '16 8:09:28 PM LEGW
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* The confrontation between Ned and Cersei, where she states her infamous line and hence the episode's title, is a HUGE source of sadness when looked at in hindsight, for BOTH Ned and Cersei. Ned's part is obvious: this conversation is one of the main factors sealing his doom. It was partly motivated because he blamed Cersei for what happened to Bran and Jon Arryn (even though she actually had nothing to do with the latter's murder), but it was mainly so that he could warn her that he was going to tell Robert the truth about her, Jamie, and their children so that they could flee before Robert had them all killed. In trying to do the right thing, Ned only made things worse for himself. Less obviously, though, this moment is also perhaps a massive mistake on Cerise's part. Considering all the terrible things that befall her and her family from this moment until the end of Season 6, you have to wonder if she and her children would have been better off taking Ned's offer, fleeing King's Landing, and making a new life for themselves...
19th Aug '16 4:14:01 AM Aquila89
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** Oh, it's much worse than that. The reason that Catelyn made such a vow was because she'd prayed to the gods that Jon -- her husband's bastard child that she's hated just for that fact -- would die and leave her in peace. Then he got the pox. She stayed with him ''all through the night'' and prayed for forgiveness. For Jon to live, to even have his father's name and be made one of them officially... and to love him in the way his own mother couldn't. So she thinks that everything that has happened to their family -- Bran's fall, Ned's death, her daughters being held hostages and her two little boys possibly dead in Winterfell -- ''is all her fault.''

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** Oh, it's much worse than that. The reason -->'''Catelyn:''' When my husband brought that Catelyn made such a vow was because she'd baby home from the war, I couldn't bear to look at him. I didn't want to see those brown stranger's eyes staring up at me. So I prayed to the gods that Jon -- her husband's bastard child that she's hated just for that fact -- would die and leave her in peace. Then he gods, take him away. Make him die. He got the pox. She stayed with him ''all through And I knew I was the night'' and worst woman who ever lived. A murderer. I'd condemned this poor, innocent child to a horrible death all because I was jealous of his mother! A woman he didn't even know! So I prayed for forgiveness. For Jon to live, all seven gods, let the boy live. Let him live and I'll love him. I'll be a mother to even have his father's name him. I'll beg my husband to give him a true name, to call him Stark and be made done with it, to make him one of them officially... and to love him in the way his own mother couldn't. So she thinks that us.
-->'''Talisa:''' And he lived.
-->'''Catelyn:''' And he lived. And I couldn't keep my promise. And
everything that has that's happened to their family -- Bran's fall, Ned's death, her daughters being held hostages and her two little boys possibly dead in Winterfell -- ''is since then... all her fault.''this horror that's come to my family... it's all because I couldn't love a motherless child.
18th Aug '16 1:51:33 AM cherrychels
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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and Turner observes that Jon is so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he was asking her to trust him, and Jon remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in really listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]

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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and Turner observes that Jon is so naive. naive to this. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he was asking her to trust him, and Jon remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in really listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this.this lesson. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]
18th Aug '16 1:12:39 AM cherrychels
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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him, and Jon remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in really listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]

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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and Turner observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed was asking her to trust him, and Jon remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in really listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]
17th Aug '16 11:57:38 PM cherrychels
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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and he remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]

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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him him, and he Jon remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in really listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]
17th Aug '16 11:51:40 PM cherrychels
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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]

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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and he remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]
17th Aug '16 11:47:15 PM cherrychels
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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]

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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is giving her any credit in this moment for her huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother in this particular scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]
17th Aug '16 11:45:21 PM cherrychels
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* Robert paying his respects to his late fiancee and Ned's sister [[TheLostLenore Lyanna Stark]] the only woman he ever loved. You can tell just by looking that if she hadn't died, he wouldn't have become the fat wine drinking, skirt chaser he turned out to be.

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* Robert paying his respects to his late fiancee fiancée and Ned's sister [[TheLostLenore Lyanna Stark]] the only woman he ever loved. You can tell just by looking that if she hadn't died, he wouldn't have become the fat wine drinking, skirt chaser he turned out to be.



** Just watch how much she has to struggle to say ''anything''! She blurts out how Joffrey killed her father in front of her and made her stare at the dismembered head. Then, she quickly starts backpedaling in the only way she can think of -- denouncing her father, her brothers, and herself as traitorous and thus that she shouldn't be listened to. It takes Margaery and her grandmother several minutes of coaxing and promising that it's safe to talk freely before Sansa can open up, and finally all she can get out is "He's a monster!" Then she begs them not to call the wedding off, no doubt picturing what Joffrey would do to her if he found out she drove his fiance away.

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** Just watch how much she has to struggle to say ''anything''! She blurts out how Joffrey killed her father in front of her and made her stare at the dismembered head. Then, she quickly starts backpedaling in the only way she can think of -- denouncing her father, her brothers, and herself as traitorous and thus that she shouldn't be listened to. It takes Margaery and her grandmother several minutes of coaxing and promising that it's safe to talk freely before Sansa can open up, and finally all she can get out is "He's a monster!" Then she begs them not to call the wedding off, no doubt picturing what Joffrey would do to her if he found out she drove his fiance fiancée away.



* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is acknowledging her or giving her any credit in this moment for her large part in Jonís victory, not even her brother during this scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]

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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is acknowledging her or giving her any credit in this moment for her large huge part in Jonís victory, not even her brother during in this particular scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]
17th Aug '16 9:52:04 PM cherrychels
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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is acknowledging her or giving her any credit in this moment for her large part in Jonís victory, not even her brother during this scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that Jon and Sansa love each other but still, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]

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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is acknowledging her or giving her any credit in this moment for her large part in Jonís victory, not even her brother during this scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that though Jon and Sansa love each other but still, other, these issues can lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]
17th Aug '16 9:46:16 PM cherrychels
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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is acknowledging her or giving her any credit in this moment for her large part in Jonís victory, not even her brother during this scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that Jon and Sansa love each other but still, these issues can still lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]

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* According to Sophie Turner, Sansa was happy and proud about her brother, Jon, [[spoiler: becoming the King in the North, but when she looked at Littlefinger smirking, this prompts Sansa to also realize nobody is acknowledging her or giving her any credit in this moment for her large part in Jonís victory, not even her brother during this scene, and observes that Jon is still so naive. Kit Harrington agrees that while Jon told Sansa they have to trust each other, he meant more-so that she needed to trust him and remains oblivious, having not learned his lesson in listening to Sansa or correctly observing her feelings, despite Jon thinking he has learned this. It is noted that Jon and Sansa love each other but still, these issues can still lead to some familial conflict down the line. This makes their relationship ''eerily'' reminiscent of Catelyn and Robb's during the war... and things didn't end up well for them.]]
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