History TearJerker / GameOfThrones

26th Nov '17 8:39:06 PM EToEyePieNegativeOne
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** Which gets [[HarsherInHindsight even sadder considering the following seasons]] when [[spoiler:out of all of Ned's children, Arya gets the first hand experience of the hell war brings. (Fleeing through the wartorn Riverlands, almost being tortured at Harrenhal, witnessing the Red Wedding). Poor Ned has no idea his beloved little girl is going to experience the horrors he's still trying to forget.]]

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** Which gets [[HarsherInHindsight even sadder considering the following seasons]] when [[spoiler:out of all of Ned's children, Arya gets the first hand first-hand experience of the hell war brings. (Fleeing through the wartorn Riverlands, almost being tortured at Harrenhal, witnessing the Red Wedding). Poor Ned has no idea his beloved little girl is going to experience the horrors he's still trying to forget.]]



* Selyse hangs herself out of despair after Shireen's death. Even if their marriage was cold and unhappy, Stannis is clearly shocked by her death. The grimness of the whole scene combines this with NightmareFuel.

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* Selyse hangs herself [[spoiler: out of despair after Shireen's death.death]]. Even if their marriage was cold and unhappy, Stannis is clearly shocked by her death. The grimness of the whole scene combines this with NightmareFuel.



* Stannis' storyline ends in one big ShootTheShaggyDog. His burning Shireen alive ultimately proves to be pointless; half his men desert the night before the battle, likely because they don't wish to serve a king who is willing to sacrifice his only child, meaning that [[HoistByHisOwnPetard he might have lost]] ''[[HoistByHisOwnPetard because]]'' [[HoistByHisOwnPetard of the sacrifice]]. Melissandre abandons him during his greatest time of need, and his wife Selyse hangs herself over grief of their daughter's death. The icing on the cake is that his death is served by Brienne of Tarth, who reminds him of his hand in murdering his brother Renly. In the end, Stannis dies knowing that all of his ShootTheDog actions [[AllForNothing amounted to nothing]].

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* Stannis' storyline ends in one big ShootTheShaggyDog. His [[spoiler: burning Shireen alive alive]] ultimately proves to be pointless; and half his men desert the night before the battle, likely because they don't wish to serve a king who is willing to sacrifice [[spoiler: his only child, child]], meaning that [[HoistByHisOwnPetard he might have lost]] ''[[HoistByHisOwnPetard because]]'' [[HoistByHisOwnPetard of the sacrifice]]. Melissandre abandons him during his greatest time of need, and his wife Selyse hangs herself over grief of their daughter's death. The icing on the cake is that his death is served by Brienne of Tarth, who reminds him of his hand in murdering his brother Renly. In the end, Stannis dies knowing that all of his ShootTheDog actions [[AllForNothing amounted to nothing]].



** The shooting script had Stannis deliver a FinalSpeech to Brienne, where he admits he doesn't believe in the afterlife (contrary to his religious beliefs) but if there is one asks her to apologize to Renly for him because he knows he'll be in Hell and won't get the chance. He begins to ask to her to apologize to Shireen but [[ManlyTears he's immediately overcome by grief and tears]]. Not wanting to die weeping in front of a stranger, he cuts it short and tells Brienne to do her duty.
* After suffering through a grueling winter snowstorm, then having their supplies burned by raiders in the night, then getting relieving weather only after sacrificing your king's princess, Stannis Baratheon's army is finally able to march on Winterfell and defeat the Boltons. That is, they would, if their sellswords hadn't lost faith and rode off during the night with all the horses. Oh, and their queen hanged herself, and their one source of magic and foresight into the future just hightailed it out of there as fast as she could. And Stannis still wants to march. After walking the rest of the way to Winterfell, the men are too tired to even effectively fight the massive Bolton cavalry charge they are met with upon arriving. Everyone there knows they have no chance of winning. Unfortunately, their leader is [[TheDeterminator Stannis Baratheon,]] and there's no way he's backing down now that he's reached this point. As you can imagine, [[CurbstompBattle the army is utterly massacred,]] with any remaining stragglers getting cruelly dispatched by [[ForTheEvulz Ramsay and his men.]]
* Melisandre arriving at Castle Black as the SoleSurvivor of Stannis's army. [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness She's never looked more lost or hopeless, not to mention unflattering from the long ride.]] Then the silence of her HeroicBSOD crushes any hopes Jon or Davos had when they realize that [[EverybodysDeadDave Stannis is gone and so are all his people.]]
** [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Her reaction when Davos asks about Shireen.]] Now Davos has to live with losing a son and a surrogate daughter. And Melisandre has to live with the knowledge that she burned a little girl alive (and all those other people she burned in the name of Stannis's cause) and [[AllForNothing it not only solved nothing,]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero it made the Baratheon army's situation completely unsalvageable.]]
** Davos's face when he realizes that [[spoiler: Shireen is dead]].

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** The shooting script had Stannis deliver a FinalSpeech to Brienne, where he admits he doesn't believe in the afterlife (contrary to his religious beliefs) but if there is one asks her to apologize to Renly for him because he knows he'll be in Hell and won't get the chance. He begins to ask to her to also [[spoiler: apologize to Shireen Shireen]], but [[ManlyTears he's immediately overcome by grief and tears]]. Not wanting to die weeping in front of a stranger, he cuts it short and tells Brienne to do her duty.
* After suffering through a grueling winter snowstorm, then having their supplies burned by raiders in the night, then getting relieving weather only after sacrificing your king's princess, Stannis Baratheon's army (well, what's left of it) is finally able to march on Winterfell and defeat the Boltons. That is, they would, if their sellswords hadn't lost faith and rode off during the night with all the horses. Oh, [[spoiler: and their queen hanged herself, herself,]] and their one source of magic and foresight into the future just hightailed it out of there as fast as she could. And Stannis still wants to march. After walking the rest of the way to Winterfell, the men are too tired to even effectively fight the massive Bolton cavalry charge they are met with upon arriving. Everyone there knows they have no chance of winning. Unfortunately, their leader is [[TheDeterminator Stannis Baratheon,]] and there's no way he's backing down now that he's reached this point. As you can imagine, [[CurbstompBattle the army is utterly massacred,]] with any remaining stragglers getting cruelly dispatched by [[ForTheEvulz Ramsay and his men.]]
* Melisandre arriving at Castle Black as the SoleSurvivor of Stannis's army. [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness She's never looked more lost or hopeless, not to mention unflattering from the long ride.]] Then the silence of her HeroicBSOD crushes any hopes Jon or Davos had had, when they realize that [[EverybodysDeadDave [[spoiler: Stannis is gone gone]] and so are all his people.]]
** [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Her Melisandre's reaction when Davos asks about Shireen.]] Now Davos has to live with losing a son and a surrogate daughter. And Melisandre has to live with the knowledge that she [[spoiler: burned a little girl alive (and all those other people she burned in the name of Stannis's cause) cause)]] and [[AllForNothing it not only solved nothing,]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero it made the Baratheon army's situation completely unsalvageable.]]
** Davos's face when he realizes that [[spoiler: that Shireen is dead]].



* Davos finds [[ChekhovsGun the toy he gave to Shireen last season]] right beside a pyre and immediately realizes what happened to his sweet little friend.

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* Davos finds [[ChekhovsGun the toy he gave to Shireen last season]] [[spoiler: right beside a pyre and immediately realizes what happened to his sweet little friend. friend.]]



* Davos' anguish when confronting Melisandre about Shireen's death is palpable.
--> '''Davos''': [[LikeASonToMe I loved that girl like she was my own.]] She was good, she was kind... And you ''killed her!''
** Melisandre's next line -- "So did her father. So did her mother." -- is tear jerking [[ParentalAbandonment on a different]] [[ParentalAbuse sort of level.]]
*** The camera flashes to Davos' face when Melisandre brings up Stannis's role in his daughter's death and it's clear from Davos' expression that Stannis is now a case of BrokenPedestal for him.

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* Davos' anguish when confronting Melisandre [[spoiler: about Shireen's death death]] is palpable.
--> '''Davos''': [[LikeASonToMe I loved that girl like she was my own.]] She was good, she was kind... [[spoiler: And you ''killed her!''
her!'']]
** Melisandre's next line -- [[spoiler: "So did her father. So did her mother." "]] -- is tear jerking [[ParentalAbandonment on a different]] [[ParentalAbuse sort of level.]]
*** The camera flashes to Davos' face when Melisandre brings up Stannis's role [[spoiler: in his daughter's death death]] and it's clear from Davos' expression that Stannis is now a case of BrokenPedestal for him.



** Directly after this, when Melisandre admits she was wrong about Stannis being the ChosenOne, Davos agrees...and [[ArmorPiercingQuestion asks her how many people died because of that mistake]]. The fact Melisandre doesn't try to defend herself and the distraught look on her face make it clear she's fully aware the blood of ''everyone'' who has died in her attempts to put Stannis on the Iron Throne is on ''her'' hands.
** The terrible part about Shireen's death is that Melisandre's sacrifice possibly lead to Jon's victory, since the sudden thaw of the snow, and the lack of winter to halt Jon and the Vale's progress probably secured their victory. The implication that the Stark's EarnYourHappyEnding is PoweredByAForsakenChild greatly disturbs Jon Snow.

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** Directly after this, when Melisandre admits she was wrong about Stannis being the ChosenOne, Davos agrees... and [[ArmorPiercingQuestion asks her how many people died because of that mistake]]. The fact Melisandre doesn't try to defend herself and the distraught look on her face make it clear she's fully aware the blood of ''everyone'' who has died in her attempts to put Stannis on the Iron Throne is on ''her'' hands.
** The terrible part [[spoiler: about Shireen's death death]] is that Melisandre's sacrifice possibly lead to Jon's victory, since the sudden thaw of the snow, and the lack of winter to halt Jon and the Vale's progress probably secured their victory. The implication to Jon Snow [[spoiler: that the Stark's EarnYourHappyEnding is PoweredByAForsakenChild PoweredByAForsakenChild]] greatly disturbs Jon Snow.him.



** What's even worse is that Melisandre doesn't even seem to believe in her own words anymore and that the only reason she isn't dead yet according to her own belief is because the Lord of Light just needed her to resurrect Jon Snow. Which means that Melisandre realized she sacrificed a child for ''nothing''. Also, she's wearing warmer clothing in Season 6, suggesting 'The Lord's flames' are no longer keeping her warm.
** It also calls back to Melisandre's conversation with Jon in episode 9. She confesses that she doesn't understand the Lord's will. It's implied heavily that she feels horribly guilty about the death of Shireen, but she's simply too proud to admit that to Davos.

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** What's even worse is that Melisandre doesn't even seem to believe in her own words anymore and that the only reason she isn't dead yet according to her own belief is because the Lord of Light just needed her to resurrect Jon Snow. Which means that Melisandre realized she [[spoiler: sacrificed a child child]] for ''nothing''. Also, she's wearing warmer clothing in Season 6, suggesting 'The Lord's flames' are no longer keeping her warm.
** It also calls back to Melisandre's conversation with Jon in episode 9. She confesses that she doesn't understand the Lord's will. It's implied heavily that she feels horribly guilty about [[spoiler: the death of Shireen, Shireen]], but she's simply too proud to admit that to Davos.
14th Nov '17 2:45:20 PM Aquila89
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--> '''Jon:'''[[AllLovingHero Our father]] was more of a father than [[AbusiveParents yours]] ever were.\\
'''Theon:'''Yeah I did.\\
'''Jon:'''And still you betrayed him.\\
'''Theon(voice breaking):'''Yes.\\
'''Jon:''' [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming But you never lost him.]]

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--> '''Jon:'''[[AllLovingHero '''Jon:''' [[AllLovingHero Our father]] was more of a father than [[AbusiveParents yours]] ever were.was.\\
'''Theon:'''Yeah I did.'''Theon:''' He was.\\
'''Jon:'''And still you betrayed him.\\
him. Betrayed his memory\\
'''Theon(voice breaking):'''Yes.breaking):'''I did.\\
'''Jon:''' [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming But you never lost him.]]]] He's a part of you. Just like he's a part of me.
12th Nov '17 9:43:50 AM annieholmes
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* It's a minor moment, given what happened (and Dany being awesome with the Unsullied in the foreground), but the sounds of Drogon crying in the background as Kraznys struggles with his chain is heartbreaking. Before Daenerys gives the [[spoiler: ''Dracarys'']] command, he couldn't have known what was happening, besides the fact that his mother was handing him off to some strange human who was hurting him.
3rd Nov '17 6:53:19 AM costanton11
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* During the conversation after [[spoiler:Littlefinger's death]], Sansa says that Arya is the strongest women she has known. Arya replies that this is the nicest thing Sansa '''ever''' said to her. The two sisters really were on bad terms before - and now each other ([[AndZoidberg and Jon]]) is all they have.

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* During the conversation after [[spoiler:Littlefinger's death]], Sansa says that Arya is the strongest women she has known. Arya replies that this is the nicest thing Sansa '''ever''' said to her. The two sisters really were on bad terms before - and now each other ([[AndZoidberg and Jon]]) Jon and Bran]]) is all they have.
3rd Nov '17 6:51:46 AM costanton11
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** Jaime also has to face the hard truth that [[spoiler:Tyrion ''didn't'' kill Joffrey, which means the numerous consequences of Cersei's crusade against Tyrion were completely avoidable. What consequences, specifically? The deaths of Oberyn, Tywin, Myrcella, Doran, Trystane, Areo Hotah, Margaery, Loras, Kevan, Lancel and Tommen to name a few, plus Cersei's public shaming, the destruction of the Sept of Baelor, the rebirth of Gregor Clegane into a half-dead abomination and the completely hopeless war they currently find themselves embroiled in.]]

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** Jaime also has to face the hard truth that [[spoiler:Tyrion ''didn't'' kill Joffrey, which means the numerous consequences of Cersei's crusade against Tyrion were completely avoidable. What consequences, specifically? The deaths of Oberyn, Tywin, Myrcella, Doran, Trystane, Areo Hotah, Margaery, Loras, Mace, Kevan, Lancel and Tommen to name a few, plus Cersei's public shaming, the destruction of the Sept of Baelor, the rebirth of Gregor Clegane into a half-dead abomination and the completely hopeless war they currently find themselves embroiled in.]]
3rd Nov '17 6:27:22 AM kuchiki222
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-->-- '''Robert Baratheon'''[[note]][[HarsherInHindsight This quote is actually even more tragic than even he believed at that time.]][[/note]]


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-->-- '''Robert Baratheon'''[[note]][[HarsherInHindsight This quote The truth is actually even more tragic than even he believed at that time.]][[/note]]

1st Nov '17 10:45:49 AM kuchiki222
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-->'''Jon:'''Our father was more of a father than yours ever were.

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-->'''Jon:'''Our father --> '''Jon:'''[[AllLovingHero Our father]] was more of a father than yours [[AbusiveParents yours]] ever were.\\



'''Jon:''' But you never lost him.\\

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'''Jon:''' [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming But you never lost him.\\]]
1st Nov '17 10:34:59 AM kuchiki222
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** Robert's marriage to Cersei. [[spoiler: If Robert did know the truth about Lyanna, maybe he still won't have been a poor king, and his marriage to Cersei would have been even happier, with Robert's legitimate children being the rulers of Westeros, with even [[TheCaligula Joffrey]] possibly being even a wise king. All the crap Littlefinger and Varys and Tywin pulled in the series could have been for naught, with Robert (and Ned) possibly still being alive. To think that Robert devoted his entire life to his cheating betrothed makes everything more bitter, harsh and tragic.]]



* ->'''Jon:'''Our father was more of a father than yours ever were.
->'''Theon:'''Yeah I did.\\
->'''Jon:'''And still you betrayed him.\\
->'''Theon(voice breaking):'''Yes.\\
->'''Jon:''' But you never lost him.\\

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* ->'''Jon:'''Our This conversation between Jon and Theon.
-->'''Jon:'''Our
father was more of a father than yours ever were.
->'''Theon:'''Yeah '''Theon:'''Yeah I did.\\
->'''Jon:'''And '''Jon:'''And still you betrayed him.\\
->'''Theon(voice '''Theon(voice breaking):'''Yes.\\
->'''Jon:''' '''Jon:''' But you never lost him.\\
1st Nov '17 10:26:10 AM kuchiki222
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** Sansa's TranquilFury and DeathGlare as she does a KirkSummation of how [[spoiler:Littlefinger's treason tore apart and killed her family. It's not clear when she realized that the man she trusted attempted to assassinate Bran, but ThisIsUnforgivable. As she puts it, Littlefinger used the assassination attempt to start the feud between the Lannisters and the Starks, causing a TraumaCongaLine for all the surviving children. Petyr claimed to love her mother but betrayed Cat and Ned, and sold Sansa, whom he claimed to love, to Ramsay]].

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** Sansa's TranquilFury and DeathGlare as she does a KirkSummation of how [[spoiler:Littlefinger's treason tore apart and killed her family. It's not clear when she realized that the man she trusted attempted to assassinate Bran, but ThisIsUnforgivable. As she puts it, Littlefinger used the assassination attempt to start the feud between the Lannisters and the Starks, causing a TraumaCongaLine for all the surviving children. Petyr claimed to love her mother but betrayed Cat and Ned, and sold Sansa, whom he claimed to love, to Ramsay]].Ramsay. One wonders what could have happened if Littlefinger approached things peacefully...]].



* ->'''Jon:'''Our father was more of a father than yours ever were.
->'''Theon:'''Yeah I did.\\
->'''Jon:'''And still you betrayed him.\\
->'''Theon(voice breaking):'''Yes.\\
->'''Jon:''' But you never lost him.\\
** Poor Theon was probably thinking what would have happened if [[ForWantOfANail he didn't rush to impress his father, betray Robb, betray his memory of Ned...]]



** First you're snickering as it seems to make light and fun of the constant deaths in the series showing them how they died. Then it pans to Rodrik about to be executed and as it goes to other characters such as Khal Drogo and Jeor Mormont you remember that some of the most popular and beloved characters have also died and you feel the twist in your gut. And now [[spoiler:Oberyn and Ygritte]] are a part of that list as well.

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** First you're snickering as it seems to make light and fun of the constant deaths in the series showing them how they died. Then it pans to Rodrik about to be executed and as it goes to other characters such as Khal Drogo and Jeor Mormont you remember that some of the most popular and beloved characters have also died and you feel the twist in your gut. And now [[spoiler:Oberyn [[spoiler:Oberyn, Ygritte, Tywin, Stannis, Margaery and Ygritte]] Olenna]] are a part of that list as well.



** The show's S7 return to a now abandoned Dragonstone rubs salt in old wounds. The last extant vestiges of the One True King--a banner bearing the flaming stag--is taken down by Daenerys as she reassumes control of her ancestral home. Upon the Painted Table lie Stannis' tactical board game pieces, just the way he left them. Truly, the stag grazes here no longer. The fact that the same episode hangs a giant {{Lampshade}} on Stannis knowing about the Dragonlass beneath Dragonstone [[spoiler:highlights the tragedy, of how better prepared and better-off the defense would have been had he gotten more support and help, either from Jon Snow who refused to allow him to draft Wildlings, which the latter did anyway, or from the Northern Lords like Lyanna Mormont, who ended up backing Jon Snow anyway]].

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** The show's S7 return to a now abandoned Dragonstone rubs salt in old wounds. The last extant vestiges of the One True King--a banner bearing the flaming stag--is taken down by Daenerys as she reassumes control of her ancestral home. Upon the Painted Table lie Stannis' tactical board game pieces, just the way he left them. Truly, the stag grazes here no longer. The fact that the same episode hangs a giant {{Lampshade}} on Stannis knowing about the Dragonlass beneath Dragonstone [[spoiler:highlights the tragedy, of how better prepared and better-off the defense would have been had he gotten more support and help, either from Jon Snow who refused to allow him to draft Wildlings, which the latter did anyway, or from the Northern Lords like Lyanna Mormont, who ended up backing Jon Snow anyway]]. Fortunately, [[spoiler:Gendry]] still lives, and is a huge supporter of Jon Snow.
1st Nov '17 10:16:31 AM kuchiki222
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-->-- '''Robert Baratheon'''


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-->-- '''Robert Baratheon'''

Baratheon'''[[note]][[HarsherInHindsight This quote is actually even more tragic than even he believed at that time.]][[/note]]

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