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** In Xu Shu's ending, he becomes a vassal of Wei but he's not satisfied with his new way of life as his rank in court is very low. When he heard that Zhuge Liang became Prime Minister of Shu, Xu Shu is very jealous and begins to regret his choice of not serving Liu Bei. Unbeknownst to him, Zhuge Liang actually honors him. Too bad Xu Shu never knew this.
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** In Xu Shu's ending, he becomes a vassal of Wei but he's not satisfied with his new way of life as his rank in court is very low. When he heard that Zhuge Liang became Prime Minister of Shu, Xu Shu is very jealous that he might not live up to his former friend and begins to regret his choice of not serving Liu Bei. Unbeknownst to him, Zhuge Liang actually honors him. Too bad Xu Shu never knew this.this.
** Guan Yu's ending is the start of the Battle of Fan Castle. While making preparation, he vows that he would guard the land for his sworn brother and holds his spear up in the air. Then, the scene turns grey [[spoiler:which slowly pans to his arrow-riddled corpse and fades into black with Guan Yu weakly whispering, "Brother"]].
** Guan Yu's ending is the start of the Battle of Fan Castle. While making preparation, he vows that he would guard the land for his sworn brother and holds his spear up in the air. Then, the scene turns grey [[spoiler:which slowly pans to his arrow-riddled corpse and fades into black with Guan Yu weakly whispering, "Brother"]].
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** In Liu Shan's ending, the people of Shu are sadden and furious of Liu Shan's surrender to Sima Zhao that they even throw stones at his carriage and call him a failure to his father. Inside the carriage, Xingcai notices that Liu Shan keeps clenching his fist until it bleeds which shows that he is deeply hurt because of his failures and has to bear all the anger and hatred by himself, much to Xingcai's sadness. In contrast to the previous games, this game is the only time where Liu Shan openly shows his emotions.
** Diaochan's ending has her deciding that she cannot be with Lu Bu and says her goodbye to him. She knows that she will bring him down because she is the poison to many men's hearts. Lu Bu accepts it and tells her to live on as herself not as poison or her father's pawn. After Lu Bu left, Diaochan thanks him and vows that she will continue to have him in her heart. Usually in most games, she would follow Lu Bu towards the ends of the earth. But here? She makes a painful decision not follow the man that she love and respect.
** Diaochan's ending has her deciding that she cannot be with Lu Bu and says her goodbye to him. She knows that she will bring him down because she is the poison to many men's hearts. Lu Bu accepts it and tells her to live on as herself not as poison or her father's pawn. After Lu Bu left, Diaochan thanks him and vows that she will continue to have him in her heart. Usually in most games, she would follow Lu Bu towards the ends of the earth. But here? She makes a painful decision not follow the man that she love and respect.
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** In Liu Shan's ending, the people of Shu are sadden and furious of Liu Shan's his surrender to Sima Zhao that they even throw stones at his carriage and call him a failure to his father. Inside the carriage, Xingcai notices that Liu Shan keeps clenching his fist until it bleeds which shows that he is deeply hurt because of his failures and has to bear all the anger and hatred by himself, much to Xingcai's sadness. In contrast to the previous games, this game is the only time where Liu Shan openly shows his emotions.
** Diaochan's ending has her deciding that she cannot be with Lu Bu and says her goodbye to him. She knows that she will bring him down because she is the poison to many men's hearts. Lu Bu accepts it and tells her to live on as herself not as poison or her father's pawn. After Lu Bu left, Diaochan thanks him and vows that she will continue to have him in her heart. Usually in most games, she would follow Lu Bu towards the ends of the earth. But here? She makes a painful decision not follow the man that she love andrespect.respect.
** In Xu Shu's ending, he becomes a vassal of Wei but he's not satisfied with his new way of life as his rank in court is very low. When he heard that Zhuge Liang became Prime Minister of Shu, Xu Shu is very jealous and begins to regret his choice of not serving Liu Bei. Unbeknownst to him, Zhuge Liang actually honors him. Too bad Xu Shu never knew this.
** Diaochan's ending has her deciding that she cannot be with Lu Bu and says her goodbye to him. She knows that she will bring him down because she is the poison to many men's hearts. Lu Bu accepts it and tells her to live on as herself not as poison or her father's pawn. After Lu Bu left, Diaochan thanks him and vows that she will continue to have him in her heart. Usually in most games, she would follow Lu Bu towards the ends of the earth. But here? She makes a painful decision not follow the man that she love and
** In Xu Shu's ending, he becomes a vassal of Wei but he's not satisfied with his new way of life as his rank in court is very low. When he heard that Zhuge Liang became Prime Minister of Shu, Xu Shu is very jealous and begins to regret his choice of not serving Liu Bei. Unbeknownst to him, Zhuge Liang actually honors him. Too bad Xu Shu never knew this.
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** ''9'' levels up his turmoil where after calling out on Jiang Wei for his futile campaign in the north, Liu Shan sighs that his officers are fighting on a hopeless war where many people will die and confides to Xingcai that their kingdom remains driven on an outdated dream. The sad part is that he cannot explain to them properly about this.
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* Liu Bei's death in ''9'' has him reminiscing the good old days where he, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and even Sun Shangxiang were traveling around and then, he starts to cough. Sun Shangxiang drops the plate that she's bringing and rushes to her husband's side. As Liu Bei dies, Sun Shangxiang closes his eyes and mourns for him with Zhao Yun while Zhuge Liang looks up, trying to hold the tears.
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* Liu Bei's death in ''9'' has him reminiscing the good old days where he, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and even Sun Shangxiang were traveling around and then, he starts to cough. Sun Shangxiang drops the plate tray that she's bringing and rushes to her husband's side. As Liu Bei dies, Sun Shangxiang closes his eyes and mourns for him with Zhao Yun while Zhuge Liang looks up, trying to hold the tears.tears.
* ''Dynasty Warriors 9'' went back to the individual-driven stories where each of the 90 characters have different endings. Let's just say not everyone have happy endings:
** In Liu Shan's ending, the people of Shu are sadden and furious of Liu Shan's surrender to Sima Zhao that they even throw stones at his carriage and call him a failure to his father. Inside the carriage, Xingcai notices that Liu Shan keeps clenching his fist until it bleeds which shows that he is deeply hurt because of his failures and has to bear all the anger and hatred by himself, much to Xingcai's sadness. In contrast to the previous games, this game is the only time where Liu Shan openly shows his emotions.
** Diaochan's ending has her deciding that she cannot be with Lu Bu and says her goodbye to him. She knows that she will bring him down because she is the poison to many men's hearts. Lu Bu accepts it and tells her to live on as herself not as poison or her father's pawn. After Lu Bu left, Diaochan thanks him and vows that she will continue to have him in her heart. Usually in most games, she would follow Lu Bu towards the ends of the earth. But here? She makes a painful decision not follow the man that she love and respect.
* ''Dynasty Warriors 9'' went back to the individual-driven stories where each of the 90 characters have different endings. Let's just say not everyone have happy endings:
** In Liu Shan's ending, the people of Shu are sadden and furious of Liu Shan's surrender to Sima Zhao that they even throw stones at his carriage and call him a failure to his father. Inside the carriage, Xingcai notices that Liu Shan keeps clenching his fist until it bleeds which shows that he is deeply hurt because of his failures and has to bear all the anger and hatred by himself, much to Xingcai's sadness. In contrast to the previous games, this game is the only time where Liu Shan openly shows his emotions.
** Diaochan's ending has her deciding that she cannot be with Lu Bu and says her goodbye to him. She knows that she will bring him down because she is the poison to many men's hearts. Lu Bu accepts it and tells her to live on as herself not as poison or her father's pawn. After Lu Bu left, Diaochan thanks him and vows that she will continue to have him in her heart. Usually in most games, she would follow Lu Bu towards the ends of the earth. But here? She makes a painful decision not follow the man that she love and respect.
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** His death in ''9'' (albeit offscreen) has his son Cao Pi reading his last will while Xu Chu is crying out to the sky and Cao Xiu drops to his knees, shaken with the loss of his uncle. The rest of the Wei officers are bowing their heads with grief and shaking their heads with disbelief while the soldiers and civilians join in the mourning. Then, Xiahou Dun vows that he and rest of Wei will fulfill Cao Cao's wishes as he and the soldiers give their final salute to him.
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* The last part of the credits in the historical routes in 8 showed the characters who have died in the game: Dian Wei and Guo Jia of Wei; Sun Jian, Sun Ce, Zhou Yu and Lu Su of Wu, Pang Tong of Shu[[note]]Oddly enough, Guan Yu, Guan Ping and Zhang Fei would have been included[[/note]] and Guo Huai, Sima Shi, Zhuge Dan and Xiahou Ba of Jin. Of course, you can prevent all these deaths which would led to the hypothetical routes.
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* The last part of the credits in the historical routes in 8 showed the characters who have died in the game: Dian Wei and Guo Jia of Wei; Sun Jian, Sun Ce, Zhou Yu and Lu Su of Wu, Pang Tong of Shu[[note]]Oddly enough, Guan Yu, Guan Ping and Zhang Fei would have been included[[/note]] and Guo Huai, Sima Shi, Zhuge Dan and Xiahou Ba of Jin. Of course, you can prevent all these deaths which would led to the hypothetical routes.routes.
* Liu Bei's death in ''9'' has him reminiscing the good old days where he, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and even Sun Shangxiang were traveling around and then, he starts to cough. Sun Shangxiang drops the plate that she's bringing and rushes to her husband's side. As Liu Bei dies, Sun Shangxiang closes his eyes and mourns for him with Zhao Yun while Zhuge Liang looks up, trying to hold the tears.
* Liu Bei's death in ''9'' has him reminiscing the good old days where he, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and even Sun Shangxiang were traveling around and then, he starts to cough. Sun Shangxiang drops the plate that she's bringing and rushes to her husband's side. As Liu Bei dies, Sun Shangxiang closes his eyes and mourns for him with Zhao Yun while Zhuge Liang looks up, trying to hold the tears.
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* [=DW5=]'s version of Yiling had several heart-aching interactions between Sun Shangxiang and Liu Bei, especially since before ''6'', they were on opposing sides. Sun Shangxiang's ending in the said installment while it wasn't even akin to her suicide in the novel, is just as damn sad.
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-->'''Ma Chao:''' My family...my friends...my homeland...all has been stolen from me. And now I lose again. Am I so weak?...Is there ''nothing'' I can protect?!
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-->'''Ma Chao:''' My family...my friends...my homeland...all has been stolen from me. And now I lose again. Am I so weak?...Is there ''nothing'' I can protect?!protect...?
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** Becomes HarsherInHindsight if you're a fan of Wei; the next scene as you know with Cao Cao dead and his son Cao Pi passing away six years later, there's nothing stopping Sima Yi and his plans now.
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** Becomes HarsherInHindsight if you're a fan of Wei; the next scene as you know with Cao Cao dead and his son Cao Pi passing away six years later, there's nothing stopping Sima Yi and his plans now.now (that is if you still view Sima Yi as the villain and not as someone who took over Wei for the greater good).
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** The deaths of Guan Yu and Zhange Fei marked the beginning of Shu’s collapse when Liu Bei decided to go on a revenge spree on Wu, neglecting all the virtues that he had been fighting for. But he failed, got sick and died. Shu’s future didn’t look bright when his son took over.
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** The deaths of Guan Yu and Zhange Zhang Fei marked the beginning of Shu’s collapse when Liu Bei decided to go on a revenge spree on Wu, neglecting all the virtues that he had been fighting for. But he failed, got sick and died. Shu’s future didn’t look bright when his son took over.
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** The struggles of the Three Kingdom heroes, while ultimately futile from their point of view, ensured their legacy continues on even after some 1800 years later: The main characters and stories of the Three Kingdoms period are far and away more well-known and remembered than entire later dynasties in mainstream Chinese culture.
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* Jin ending in 7, at a banquet held after Wei has conquered Shu, as the Wei officers are celebrating and boasting while they feast whilst those who represent Shu are in a somber mood when music is played and The men of Shu there hear it and smile as they recognize it as a song of their home and country and cannot help but weep over what has happened. They maybe the same generic NPCs that you see all the time but they feel pain and despair at what has happened
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* Jin ending in 7, at a banquet held after Wei has conquered Shu, as the Wei officers are celebrating and boasting while they feast whilst those who represent Shu are in a somber mood when music is played and The men of Shu there hear it and smile as they recognize it as a song of their home and country and cannot help but weep over what has happened. They maybe the same generic NPCs {{Non Player Character}}s that you see all the time but they feel pain and despair at what has happened
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** With the above in mind, everyone in Dynasty Warriors - Wei, Wu, Shu, Jin - basically died for nothing. It's especially stinging because Sima Yi's legacy has been that of more than a dozen imbeciles fighting tooth and nail over the throne, which put China in an even more chaotic position, arguably, than the Three Kingdoms. China wound up in a dark age from 300-600 AD, when the Sui Dynasty managed to FINALLY unite a fraction of China and attain some semblance of order.
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** With the above in mind, everyone in Dynasty Warriors - Wei, Wu, Shu, Jin - basically died for nothing. It's especially stinging because Sima Yi's legacy has been that of more than a dozen imbeciles fighting tooth and nail over the throne, which put China in an even more chaotic position, arguably, than the Three Kingdoms. China wound up in a dark age from 300-600 AD, when the Sui Dynasty managed to FINALLY unite a fraction of China and attain some semblance of order. True reunification will have to wait until 618 C.E, when the Tang Dynasty was established.
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** Becomes HarsherInHindsight if your a fan of Wei the next scene as you know with Cao Cao dead and his son Cao Pi passing away six years later, there's nothing stopping Sima Yi and his plans now.
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** Becomes HarsherInHindsight if your you're a fan of Wei Wei; the next scene as you know with Cao Cao dead and his son Cao Pi passing away six years later, there's nothing stopping Sima Yi and his plans now.
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* While most, if not all of the bonus stages in ''8:XL'' are hilarious, Shu's "Find Red Hare" stage takes a surprisingly somber turn when the identity of the horse thief is discovered. [[spoiler:Its Lu Lingqi, and she "stole" Red Hare because she was desperate to have something to remember her father, Lu Bu, by. With Xiapi fallen and all of his soldiers either dead or defected, Red Hare is all that remains of her father's once proud legacy. She practically ''begs'' the Shu officers to let her go, but [[NoSympathy they have none of it]].]]
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* While most, if not all of the bonus stages in ''8:XL'' are hilarious, Shu's "Find Red Hare" stage takes a surprisingly somber turn when the identity of the horse thief is discovered. [[spoiler:Its [[spoiler:It's Lu Lingqi, and she "stole" Red Hare because she was desperate to have something to remember her father, Lu Bu, by. With Xiapi fallen and all of his soldiers either dead or defected, Red Hare is all that remains of her father's once proud legacy. She practically ''begs'' the Shu officers to let her go, but [[NoSympathy they have none of it]].]]
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* Jin ending in 7, at a banquet held after Wei has conquered Shu, as The Wei officers are celebrating and boasting while they feast whilst those who represent Shu are in a somber mood when music is played and The men of Shu there hear it and smile as they recognize it as a song of their home and country and cannot help but weep over what has happened. They maybe the same generic NPCs that you see all the time but they feel pain and despair at what has happened
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* Jin ending in 7, at a banquet held after Wei has conquered Shu, as The the Wei officers are celebrating and boasting while they feast whilst those who represent Shu are in a somber mood when music is played and The men of Shu there hear it and smile as they recognize it as a song of their home and country and cannot help but weep over what has happened. They maybe the same generic NPCs that you see all the time but they feel pain and despair at what has happened
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** The fact that the throne is empty is a sad symbol too: by the time the land is finally united, '''all''' the player characters, with the possible exceptions of Liu Shan and Wang Yuanji, have passed away. [[labelnote:]]Historically, only Jia Chong and Wen Yang lived to 280 C.E.[[/labelnote]] Most of those who fought to bring peace and unite the land never lived to see it.
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** The fact that the throne is empty is a sad symbol too: by the time the land is finally united, '''all''' the player characters, with the possible exceptions of Liu Shan and Wang Yuanji, have passed away. [[labelnote:]]Historically, [[labelnote: Actually]]Historically, only Jia Chong and Wen Yang lived to 280 C.E.[[/labelnote]] Most of those who fought to bring peace and unite the land never lived to see it.
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** The fact that the throne is empty is a sad symbol too: by the time the land is finally united, '''all''' the player characters, with the possible exceptions of Liu Shan and Wang Yuanji, have passed away. Most of those who fought to bring peace and unite the land never lived to see it.
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** The fact that the throne is empty is a sad symbol too: by the time the land is finally united, '''all''' the player characters, with the possible exceptions of Liu Shan and Wang Yuanji, have passed away. [[labelnote:]]Historically, only Jia Chong and Wen Yang lived to 280 C.E.[[/labelnote]] Most of those who fought to bring peace and unite the land never lived to see it.
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* Sima Shi’s death in 8. He dropped into his younger brother’s arms and tearfully told him that he’ll be in charge now. Sima Zhao didn’t take it very well because he knew that he might not be the right person up to the task and tried to tell him not to leave him. There’s also Zhuge Dan’s response where he’s on his knees, crying which is sadder later on when he rebelled against Zhao in the historical route.
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* Sima Shi’s death in 8. He dropped into his younger brother’s arms and tearfully told him that he’ll be in charge now. Sima Zhao didn’t take it very well because he knew that he might not be the right person up to the task and tried to tell him not to leave him. There’s also Zhuge Dan’s response where he’s on his knees, crying which is sadder later on when he rebelled against Zhao in the historical route.route.
* The last part of the credits in the historical routes in 8 showed the characters who have died in the game: Dian Wei and Guo Jia of Wei; Sun Jian, Sun Ce, Zhou Yu and Lu Su of Wu, Pang Tong of Shu[[note]]Oddly enough, Guan Yu, Guan Ping and Zhang Fei would have been included[[/note]] and Guo Huai, Sima Shi, Zhuge Dan and Xiahou Ba of Jin. Of course, you can prevent all these deaths which would led to the hypothetical routes.
* The last part of the credits in the historical routes in 8 showed the characters who have died in the game: Dian Wei and Guo Jia of Wei; Sun Jian, Sun Ce, Zhou Yu and Lu Su of Wu, Pang Tong of Shu[[note]]Oddly enough, Guan Yu, Guan Ping and Zhang Fei would have been included[[/note]] and Guo Huai, Sima Shi, Zhuge Dan and Xiahou Ba of Jin. Of course, you can prevent all these deaths which would led to the hypothetical routes.
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** 7 has a more emotional response from Liu Bei regarding the deaths of his sworn brothers. When Zhao Yun tries to remind him that Wei is the real enemy, Liu Bei angrily brushed it off and wanted to go after Wu to avenge Guan Yu. Then, a messenger came and informed him that Zhang Fei was betrayed and beheaded by his own men who defected to Wu. Liu Bei’s response of his other sworn brother’s death is so heartwrenching that not only he stood and staggered a bit, he smashed his chair with his sword while yelling TheBigNo, dropped to his knees and screamed in anguish. It’s even sadder than his wife dropped to her knees when she listened to the messenger’s report on Zhang Fei.
** The deaths of Guan Yu and Zhange Fei marked the beginning of Shu’s collapse when Liu Bei decided to go on a revenge spree on Wu, neglecting all the virtues that he had been fighting for. But he failed, got sick and died. Shu’s future didn’t look bright when his son took over.
** The deaths of Guan Yu and Zhange Fei marked the beginning of Shu’s collapse when Liu Bei decided to go on a revenge spree on Wu, neglecting all the virtues that he had been fighting for. But he failed, got sick and died. Shu’s future didn’t look bright when his son took over.
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** Worse? This is nearly exactly how he died in the novel-all the work and stress from planning that was all heaped onto him ended up killing him, and he died watching over the battlefield one last time while his troops burst into tears.
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** Worse? This is nearly exactly how he died in the novel-all the work and stress from planning that was all heaped onto him ended up killing him, and he died watching over the battlefield one last time while his troops burst into tears.tears.
* Sima Shi’s death in 8. He dropped into his younger brother’s arms and tearfully told him that he’ll be in charge now. Sima Zhao didn’t take it very well because he knew that he might not be the right person up to the task and tried to tell him not to leave him. There’s also Zhuge Dan’s response where he’s on his knees, crying which is sadder later on when he rebelled against Zhao in the historical route.
* Sima Shi’s death in 8. He dropped into his younger brother’s arms and tearfully told him that he’ll be in charge now. Sima Zhao didn’t take it very well because he knew that he might not be the right person up to the task and tried to tell him not to leave him. There’s also Zhuge Dan’s response where he’s on his knees, crying which is sadder later on when he rebelled against Zhao in the historical route.
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** If you were on a normal run or the first time, this might look a little normal, as they come really unprepared and lacking backup plans. But after you unlock the hypothetical route, this takes into a bigger TearJerker because Xu Shu was already there to offer his help that could save the day, yet ''you'' made Guan Yu ignore all those and lead to all those tragedies. In fact, this can apply to every second run of the historical route, which can make you lament "[[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot Why didn't I choose all those alternatives so this doesn't have to happen!?]]"
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** If you were on a normal run or the first time, this might look a little normal, as they come really unprepared and lacking backup plans. But after you unlock the hypothetical route, this takes into a bigger TearJerker because Xu Shu was already there to offer his help that could save the day, yet ''you'' made Guan Yu ignore all those and lead to all those tragedies. In fact, this can apply to every second run of the historical route, which can make you lament "[[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot Why didn't I choose all those alternatives so this doesn't have to happen!?]]"happen!?]] [[WhatAnIdiot I was so stupid...]]"
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** If you were on a normal run or the first time, this might look a little normal, as they come really unprepared and lacking backup plans. But after you unlock the hypothetical route, this takes into a bigger TearJerker because Xu Shu was already there to offer his help that could save the day, yet ''you'' made Guan Yu ignore all those and lead to all those tragedies. In fact, this can apply to every second run of the historical route, which can make you lament "[[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot Why didn't I choose all those alternatives so this doesn't have to happen!?]]"
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* Zhuge Liang's second to last cutscene in his story mode in 6. The battle for control of the land between Shu and Wei is set to be at Wu Zhang Plains. On the surface it appears that Zhuge Liang is fine and has made a master plan but once he is alone he stumbles and coughs bringing a hand to his chest in pain and his voice changes as he pleads with his body, begging it to keep going, for just one more battle so that he can end the wars at last.
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* Zhuge Liang's second to last cutscene in his story mode in 6. The battle for control of the land between Shu and Wei is set to be at Wu Zhang Plains. On the surface it appears that Zhuge Liang is fine and has made a master plan but once he is alone he stumbles and coughs bringing a hand to his chest in pain and his voice changes as he pleads with his body, begging it to keep going, for just one more battle so that he can end the wars at last.last.
** Worse? This is nearly exactly how he died in the novel-all the work and stress from planning that was all heaped onto him ended up killing him, and he died watching over the battlefield one last time while his troops burst into tears.
** Worse? This is nearly exactly how he died in the novel-all the work and stress from planning that was all heaped onto him ended up killing him, and he died watching over the battlefield one last time while his troops burst into tears.
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* Jin ending in 7, at a banquet held after Wei has conquered Shu, as The Wei officers are celebrating and boasting while they feast whilst those who represent Shu are in a somber mood when music is played and The men of Shu there hear it and smile as they recognize it as a song of their home and country and cannot help but weep over what has happened. They maybe the same generic NPCs that you see all the time but they feel pain and despair at what has happened
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* Jin ending in 7, at a banquet held after Wei has conquered Shu, as The Wei officers are celebrating and boasting while they feast whilst those who represent Shu are in a somber mood when music is played and The men of Shu there hear it and smile as they recognize it as a song of their home and country and cannot help but weep over what has happened. They maybe the same generic NPCs that you see all the time but they feel pain and despair at what has happenedhappened
* Zhuge Liang's second to last cutscene in his story mode in 6. The battle for control of the land between Shu and Wei is set to be at Wu Zhang Plains. On the surface it appears that Zhuge Liang is fine and has made a master plan but once he is alone he stumbles and coughs bringing a hand to his chest in pain and his voice changes as he pleads with his body, begging it to keep going, for just one more battle so that he can end the wars at last.
* Zhuge Liang's second to last cutscene in his story mode in 6. The battle for control of the land between Shu and Wei is set to be at Wu Zhang Plains. On the surface it appears that Zhuge Liang is fine and has made a master plan but once he is alone he stumbles and coughs bringing a hand to his chest in pain and his voice changes as he pleads with his body, begging it to keep going, for just one more battle so that he can end the wars at last.
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* Wen Yang's victory line when defeating an officer is 'Are there no heroes left in this land?' When you think about the time he was an active officer, no there really wasn't any left. The great heroes that were under the Sun family, Liu Bei and Cao Cao are by this time long dead, Wu a mere shadow of its former self and the talented officers they have left, like Lu Kang, were too few in numbers. Shu meanwhile cannot even be considered a danger anymore and their repeated attempts and failure to defeat Wei by this point almost seems more of an annoyance to Wei more than anything.
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* Wen Yang's victory line when defeating an officer is 'Are there no heroes left in this land?' When you think about the time he was an active officer, no there really wasn't any left. The great heroes that were under the Sun family, Liu Bei and Cao Cao are by this time long dead, Wu a mere shadow of its former self and the talented officers they have left, like Lu Kang, were too few in numbers. Shu meanwhile cannot even be considered a danger anymore and their repeated attempts and failure to defeat Wei by this point almost seems more of an annoyance to Wei more than anything.anything.
* Jin ending in 7, at a banquet held after Wei has conquered Shu, as The Wei officers are celebrating and boasting while they feast whilst those who represent Shu are in a somber mood when music is played and The men of Shu there hear it and smile as they recognize it as a song of their home and country and cannot help but weep over what has happened. They maybe the same generic NPCs that you see all the time but they feel pain and despair at what has happened
* Jin ending in 7, at a banquet held after Wei has conquered Shu, as The Wei officers are celebrating and boasting while they feast whilst those who represent Shu are in a somber mood when music is played and The men of Shu there hear it and smile as they recognize it as a song of their home and country and cannot help but weep over what has happened. They maybe the same generic NPCs that you see all the time but they feel pain and despair at what has happened
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* A tear jerker that could overlap with Fridge Brilliance is suggested by one joshscorcher [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyaCbOo2Sk in his 'Top Ten Dynasty Warriors' video]] in regards to Liu Shan. The smile he almost constantly has? It seems forced. Joshscorcher's idea is that Liu Shan is unhappy with being a ruler and hates the chaos and the fighting, but because his father was Liu Bei, he's weighed down with chains of duty and expectation. Not to mention his father is a tough act to follow.
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* A tear jerker that could overlap with Fridge Brilliance is suggested by one joshscorcher [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyaCbOo2Sk in his 'Top Ten Dynasty Warriors' video]] in regards to Liu Shan. The smile he almost constantly has? It seems forced. Joshscorcher's idea is that Liu Shan is unhappy with being a ruler and hates the chaos and the fighting, but because his father was Liu Bei, he's weighed down with chains of duty and expectation. Not to mention his father is a tough act to follow.follow.
*Wen Yang's victory line when defeating an officer is 'Are there no heroes left in this land?' When you think about the time he was an active officer, no there really wasn't any left. The great heroes that were under the Sun family, Liu Bei and Cao Cao are by this time long dead, Wu a mere shadow of its former self and the talented officers they have left, like Lu Kang, were too few in numbers. Shu meanwhile cannot even be considered a danger anymore and their repeated attempts and failure to defeat Wei by this point almost seems more of an annoyance to Wei more than anything.
*Wen Yang's victory line when defeating an officer is 'Are there no heroes left in this land?' When you think about the time he was an active officer, no there really wasn't any left. The great heroes that were under the Sun family, Liu Bei and Cao Cao are by this time long dead, Wu a mere shadow of its former self and the talented officers they have left, like Lu Kang, were too few in numbers. Shu meanwhile cannot even be considered a danger anymore and their repeated attempts and failure to defeat Wei by this point almost seems more of an annoyance to Wei more than anything.
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** With the above in mind, everyone in Dynasty Warriors - Wei, Wu, Shu, Jin - basically died for nothing. It's especially stinging because Sima Yi's legacy has been that of more than a dozen imbeciles fighting tooth and nail over the throne, which put China in an even more chaotic position, arguably, than the Three Kingdoms.
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** With the above in mind, everyone in Dynasty Warriors - Wei, Wu, Shu, Jin - basically died for nothing. It's especially stinging because Sima Yi's legacy has been that of more than a dozen imbeciles fighting tooth and nail over the throne, which put China in an even more chaotic position, arguably, than the Three Kingdoms. China wound up in a dark age from 300-600 AD, when the Sui Dynasty managed to FINALLY unite a fraction of China and attain some semblance of order.
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Given conditions of the time, it\'s not uncommon for kids to lose dads at an early age (Some were even looking forward to it).
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* A tear jerker that could overlap with Fridge Brilliance is suggested by one joshscorcher [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyaCbOo2Sk in his 'Top Ten Dynasty Warriors' video]] in regards to Liu Shan. The smile he almost constantly has? It seems forced. Joshscorcher's idea is that Liu Shan is unhappy with being a ruler and hates the chaos and the fighting, but because his father was Liu Bei, he's weighed down with chains of duty and expectation. Not to mention his father is a tough act to follow.
** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in ''[=DW7=]''. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.
*** This can also get a bit more depressing too if you get to the Battle of Yiling....with Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang's historical deaths afterward, this punches him further in that Sun Quan not only lost his blood father and blood brother, but eventually loses both his blood sister and brother-in-law.
** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in ''[=DW7=]''. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.
*** This can also get a bit more depressing too if you get to the Battle of Yiling....with Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang's historical deaths afterward, this punches him further in that Sun Quan not only lost his blood father and blood brother, but eventually loses both his blood sister and brother-in-law.
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* A tear jerker that could overlap with Fridge Brilliance is suggested by one joshscorcher [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyaCbOo2Sk in his 'Top Ten Dynasty Warriors' video]] in regards to Liu Shan. The smile he almost constantly has? It seems forced. Joshscorcher's idea is that Liu Shan is unhappy with being a ruler and hates the chaos and the fighting, but because his father was Liu Bei, he's weighed down with chains of duty and expectation. Not to mention his father is a tough act to follow.
** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in ''[=DW7=]''. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.
*** This can also get a bit more depressing too if you get to the Battle of Yiling....with Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang's historical deaths afterward, this punches him further in that Sun Quan not only lost his blood father and blood brother, but eventually loses both his blood sister and brother-in-law.follow.
** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in ''[=DW7=]''. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.
*** This can also get a bit more depressing too if you get to the Battle of Yiling....with Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang's historical deaths afterward, this punches him further in that Sun Quan not only lost his blood father and blood brother, but eventually loses both his blood sister and brother-in-law.
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** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in [=''DW7''=]. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.
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** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in [=''DW7''=].''[=DW7=]''. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.
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*** This can also get a bit more depressing too if you get to the Battle of Yiling....with Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang's historical deaths afterward, this punches him further in that Sun Quan lost both his blood sister and brother-in-law.
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*** This can also get a bit more depressing too if you get to the Battle of Yiling....with Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang's historical deaths afterward, this punches him further in that Sun Quan not only lost his blood father and blood brother, but eventually loses both his blood sister and brother-in-law.
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* A tearjerker that could overlap with Fridge Brilliance is suggested by one joshscorcher [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyaCbOo2Sk in his 'Top Ten Dynasty Warriors' video]] in regards to Liu Shan. The smile he almost constantly has? It seems forced. Joshscorcher's idea is that Liu Shan is unhappy with being a ruler and hates the chaos and the fighting, but because his father was Liu Bei, he's weighed down with chains of duty and expectation. Not to mention his father is a tough act to follow.
** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in DW7. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.
** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in DW7. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.
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* A tearjerker tear jerker that could overlap with Fridge Brilliance is suggested by one joshscorcher [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyaCbOo2Sk in his 'Top Ten Dynasty Warriors' video]] in regards to Liu Shan. The smile he almost constantly has? It seems forced. Joshscorcher's idea is that Liu Shan is unhappy with being a ruler and hates the chaos and the fighting, but because his father was Liu Bei, he's weighed down with chains of duty and expectation. Not to mention his father is a tough act to follow.
** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story inDW7.[=''DW7''=]. The guy sees both his father and brother die, and gets put in charge of ruling a country at the age of 18, despite not feeling ready to be a leader. He may have been considered an adult for some years by the standards of the time, but by modern Western standards? Most 18 year olds are either in employment, or studying whilst deciding whether or not to attend University, not being declared ruler of a country in a period of war mere days after seeing their brother die.die.
*** This can also get a bit more depressing too if you get to the Battle of Yiling....with Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang's historical deaths afterward, this punches him further in that Sun Quan lost both his blood sister and brother-in-law.
** Also mentioned in the video, Sun Quan's story in
*** This can also get a bit more depressing too if you get to the Battle of Yiling....with Liu Bei and Sun Shangxiang's historical deaths afterward, this punches him further in that Sun Quan lost both his blood sister and brother-in-law.
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* While most, if not all of the bonus stages in ''8:XL'' are hilarious, Shu's "Find Red Hare" stage takes a surprisingly somber turn when the identity of the horse thief is discovered. [[spoiler:Its Lu Linqui, and she "stole" Red Hare because she was desperate to have something to remember her father, Lu Bu, by. With Xiapi fallen and all of his soldiers either dead or defected, Red Hare is all that remains of her father's once proud legacy. She practically ''begs'' the Shu officers to let her go, but [[NoSympathy they have none of it]].]]
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* While most, if not all of the bonus stages in ''8:XL'' are hilarious, Shu's "Find Red Hare" stage takes a surprisingly somber turn when the identity of the horse thief is discovered. [[spoiler:Its Lu Linqui, Lingqi, and she "stole" Red Hare because she was desperate to have something to remember her father, Lu Bu, by. With Xiapi fallen and all of his soldiers either dead or defected, Red Hare is all that remains of her father's once proud legacy. She practically ''begs'' the Shu officers to let her go, but [[NoSympathy they have none of it]].]]
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* In Dynasty Warriors 7, you spend a lot of time with Xiahou Yuan, since he's with you from the very start of Wei's Campaign, you're getting to know him, and he lasts almost until the end. You see how carefree, and nice he is, he gets along with his soldiers and fellow officers well. And then You/Xiahou Yuan beat Huang Zhong, he's ordered to be taken in to custody, only for him to escape, and let loose an arrow (after Xiahou Yuan's bow breaks on him). He falls over, closes his eyes with a peaceful smile and just asks. "...Where's the luck?" They way the line is delivered, the excellent song used here, and how well the player knew him. It's gut wrenching.
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* In Dynasty Warriors 7, you spend a lot of time with Xiahou Yuan, since he's with you from the very start of Wei's Campaign, you're getting to know him, and he lasts almost until the end. You see how carefree, and nice he is, he gets along with his soldiers and fellow officers well. And then You/Xiahou Yuan beat Huang Zhong, he's ordered to be taken in to custody, only for him to escape, and let loose an arrow (after Xiahou Yuan's bow breaks on him).him when he needed it the most). He falls over, closes his eyes with a peaceful smile and just asks. "...Where's the luck?" They way the line is delivered, the excellent song used here, and how well the player knew him. It's gut wrenching.
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* Xiahou Yuan's Death in Dynasty Warriors 7 is gut wrenching after you spend so long with him, getting to know him, and showing how is a stand up guy (which given he works for Wei, says alot about him.). And then........his bow breaks in the moment he needs it most, Huang Zhong cuts him down, and his reaction? He closes his eyes with a peaceful look on his face, all while 'Grief - Sorrow' is playing, and asks ".....Where's the Luck?".
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-->'''Ma Chao:''' My family...my friends...my homeland...All has been stolen from me. And now I lose again. Am I so weak?...Is there ''nothing'' I can protect?!
** Made a bit better by the fact that Liu Bei took him into his ranks after the battle.
** Made a bit better by the fact that Liu Bei took him into his ranks after the battle.
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-->'''Ma Chao:''' My family...my friends...my homeland...All all has been stolen from me. And now I lose again. Am I so weak?...Is there ''nothing'' I can protect?!
** Made a bit better by the fact that Liu Bei took him into his ranks after the battle. Zhang Fei, Wei Yan and Zhuge Liang all have their own touching speeches (especially Zhuge Liang's) to give him just after Ma Chao's quote.
** Made a bit better by the fact that Liu Bei took him into his ranks after the battle. Zhang Fei, Wei Yan and Zhuge Liang all have their own touching speeches (especially Zhuge Liang's) to give him just after Ma Chao's quote.
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* It was pretty heartwrenching in some Legend Stages though, in particular Ding Feng's... [[spoiler:He recalled the time when everyone he knew was alive and the scene was very cheery... but then cut to present and it's a snowy night in Dong Xing, and only Lian Shi was around (it's gotten lonely), while Wu at the moment were filled with talentless hacks like Zhuge Ke. And despite knowing that they'd fall with those people, the only path for Ding Feng is just to move forward for the dead...]]
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* It was pretty heartwrenching in some Legend Stages though, in particular Ding Feng's... [[spoiler:He recalled the time when everyone he knew was alive and the scene was very cheery... but then cut to present and it's a snowy night in Dong Xing, and only Lian Shi Lianshi was around (it's gotten lonely), while Wu at the moment were filled with talentless hacks like Zhuge Ke. And despite knowing that they'd fall with those people, the only path for Ding Feng is just to move forward for the dead...]]
