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** Seeing the vision of Leske in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest becomes this if you go there after completing "A Paragon of Her Kind," [[spoiler: because you would have had to kill him in the final confrontation with Jarvia.]]
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** Seeing the vision of Leske in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest becomes this if you go there after completing "A Paragon of Her Kind," [[spoiler: because you would have had to kill him in the final confrontation with Jarvia.]]
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* What happens if you're romancing Alistair and don't take [[DeusSexMachina Morrigan's third option]]. [[spoiler: "You say that like I'm [[HeroicSacrifice giving you a choice]]."]]
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** Really, any epilogue where the Warden dies after romancing a love interest becomes this. [[spoiler: Alistair leaves the Wardens because it's not the same without his lover, and vanishes to parts unknown.[[note]]He ends up DrowningHisSorrows in Kirkwall[[/note]] Leliana pours her grief into a heart-rending ballad before she too vanishes.[[note]]She becomes a leader of the Inquisition[[/note]] Zevran eventually rejoins the Crows as its leader, but never falls in love again.]]
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** Really, any epilogue where the Warden dies after romancing a love interest becomes this. [[spoiler: Alistair leaves the Wardens because it's not the same without his lover, and vanishes to parts unknown.[[note]]He ends up DrowningHisSorrows in Kirkwall[[/note]] Leliana pours her grief into a heart-rending ballad before she too vanishes.[[note]]She becomes a leader of the Inquisition[[/note]] Zevran eventually rejoins the Crows as its leader, leader but never falls in love again.]]
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* A small one happens at the beginning, when you're given a brief chance to speak to Arl Howe. One of the options available is to say you merely wanted to wish him luck in the upcoming battle, to which he is genuinely surprised and touched by your concern. Knowing what he does later and his blatant lack of remorse for his actions, it's quite possibly the only hint of humanity we see from him throughout the entire game.
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* A small one happens at the beginning, when you're given a brief chance to speak to Arl Howe. One of the options available is to say you merely wanted to wish him luck in the upcoming battle, to which he is seems genuinely surprised and touched by your concern. Knowing what he does later and his blatant lack of remorse for his actions, it's quite possibly the only hint of humanity we see from him throughout the entire game.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face off against demons, under the threat of DemonicPossession, and will be cut down should they fail or take too long. They're then lied to and betrayed by their best friend Jowan and can be left for dead or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And not long after their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know has been killed, turned into an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]].Templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face off against demons, under the threat of DemonicPossession, and will be cut down should they fail or take too long. They're then lied to and betrayed by their best best/only friend Jowan and can be left for dead or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And not long after their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know knew has been killed, turned into an abomination or complicit to what's happening. happening.
** If they're an elf they can admit to having gone through constant FantasticRacism during their time in the Circle to Duncan. Much later they can also tell Leliana their life prior was no easier with an option for their background being they grew up in an [[WretchedHive Alienage]].
** If they're an elf they can admit to having gone through constant FantasticRacism during their time in the Circle to Duncan. Much later they can also tell Leliana their life prior was no easier with an option for their background being they grew up in an [[WretchedHive Alienage]].
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* Duncan's death at the Battle of Ostagar. He's left alone in the middle of the battlefield, fatally injured, cradling King Cailain's body with an expression of utter failure, clearly aware that Loghain has betrayed them, watching as the darkspawn overwhelm and slaughter anyone still left on the battlefield. His last act is to look up at the Tower of Ishal (where the Warden and Alistair are still holed up), with an expression of [[MyGreatestFailure deepest regret for having seemingly sent them both to their deaths]], before looking around to see the darkspawn general and the rest of the horde make their final assault, unable to do more than [[FaceDeathWithDignity stare down the charging darkspawn]] as the beast pulls back its axe for the deathblow, helped along by the incredibly SadBattleMusic playing at this point.
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* Duncan's death at the Battle of Ostagar. He's left alone in the middle of the battlefield, fatally injured, cradling King Cailain's body with an expression of utter failure, clearly aware that Loghain has betrayed them, watching as the darkspawn overwhelm and slaughter anyone still left on the battlefield. His last act is to look up at the Tower of Ishal (where the Warden and Alistair are still holed up), with an expression of [[MyGreatestFailure deepest regret for having seemingly sent them both to their deaths]], before looking the signal fire that was to be the army's salvation silently mocking him. He then looks around to see the darkspawn general and the rest of the horde make their final assault, unable to do more than [[FaceDeathWithDignity stare down the charging darkspawn]] as the beast pulls back its axe for the deathblow, helped along by the incredibly SadBattleMusic playing at this point.
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* You only have limited interaction with him, but Nelaros, the husband-to-be of the Female City Elf, gives a great tear jerker. He valiantly organizes a rescue to save his bride and the other women taken, despite being one of only two people in the Alienage willing to take the risk. He stands watch in the corridor while Soris frees the player character, only to be mercilessly cut down by guards the moment the two join back up with him. What's even sadder is that when you examine his body, one of the few things you find is ''your wedding ring''.
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* You only have limited interaction with him, but Nelaros, the husband-to-be of the Female City Elf, gives a great tear jerker. He valiantly organizes a rescue to save his bride and the other women taken, despite being one of only two people in the Alienage willing to take the risk. He stands watch in the corridor while Soris frees the player character, only to be mercilessly cut down by guards the moment the two join back up with him. What's even sadder is that when you examine his body, one of the few things you find is ''your wedding ring''. It's pure vendor trash... yet many a City Elf [[TragicKeepsake kept it in their inventory the whole game.]]
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face off against demons, under the threat of DemonicPossession, and will be cut down should they fail... fail or take too long. They're then lied to and betrayed by their best friend Jowan and can be left for dead or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon not long after their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is has been killed, turned into an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession and being cut down should they fail to defeat it. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, and can be left for dead or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned into an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession off against demons, under the threat of DemonicPossession, and being will be cut down should they fail to defeat it. fail... or take too long. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, friend Jowan and can be left for dead or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned into an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession and being cut down should they fail to defeat it. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, and can be left for dead or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned in an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession and being cut down should they fail to defeat it. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, and can be left for dead or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned in into an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession and being cut down should they fail to defeat it. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, and can be left for dead or[[Fat eWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned in an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession and being cut down should they fail to defeat it. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, and can be left for dead or[[Fat eWorseThanDeath or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned in an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession and being cut down should they fail to defeat it. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, and can be left for dead or for [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned in an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession and being cut down should they fail to defeat it. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, and can be left for dead or for [[FateWorseThanDeath or[[Fat eWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned in an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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* The Circle mage was torn from their family at a young age, never to see them again, placed in the [[GildedCage Circle of Magi]] as an apprentice completely cut off from the outside world for years and under constant surveillance of [[MageKiller templars]]. To graduate from apprenticehood they're sent to the Fade to face a demon in combat, risking DemonicPossession and being cut down should they fail to defeat it. They're then lied to and betrayed by Jowan, their best friend, and can be left for dead or for [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]] by him when his plan to escape the Circle falls apart. And upon their departure the Circle falls into shambles and almost everyone they know is killed, turned in an abomination or complicit to what's happening.
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--->'''Hero:''' I love you, Zevran.\\
'''Zevran:''' ''(face collapses in grief)'' ... cruel to the end.
'''Zevran:''' ''(face collapses in grief)'' ... cruel to the end.
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** Really, any epilogue where the Warden dies after romancing a love interest becomes this. [[spoiler: Alistair leaves the Wardens because it's not the same without his lover, and vanishes to parts unknown. Leliana pours her grief into a heart-rending ballad before she too vanishes. Zevran eventually rejoins the Crows as its leader, but never falls in love again.]]
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** Really, any epilogue where the Warden dies after romancing a love interest becomes this. [[spoiler: Alistair leaves the Wardens because it's not the same without his lover, and vanishes to parts unknown. [[note]]He ends up DrowningHisSorrows in Kirkwall[[/note]] Leliana pours her grief into a heart-rending ballad before she too vanishes. vanishes.[[note]]She becomes a leader of the Inquisition[[/note]] Zevran eventually rejoins the Crows as its leader, but never falls in love again.]]
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** When Morrigan hears it, she listens to it for a brief moment, before averting her gaze and shaking her head. It's sad to see how much AbusiveParents Flemeth's "feelings are a weakness" raising method]] has touched her to the point of repression.
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* The Dalish Elf Warden coming back to their homeland is not easy on them: they have to deal with the fact that their people are being slowly killed by the werewolf curse, and at the end, they discover that Zathrian, a man who they've probably admired since childhood, has lied to them about the elves' regained immortality and the werewolf curse's origin.
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* Duncan's death at the Battle of Ostagar. He's left alone in the middle of the battlefield, fatally injured, cradling King Cailain's body with an expression of utter failure, clearly aware that Loghain has betrayed them, watching as the darkspawn overwhelm and slaughter anyone still left on the battlefield. His last act is to look up at the Tower of Ishal (where the Warden and Alistair are still holed up), with an expression of [[MyGreatestFailure deepest regret for having seemingly sent them both to their deaths]], before looking around to see the darkspawn general and the rest of the horde make their final assault, unable to do more than [[FaceDeathWithDignity stare down the charging darkspawn]] as the beast pulls back its axe for the deathblow, helped along by the incredibly SadBattleMusic playing at this point.
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* Duncan's death at the Battle of Ostagar. He's left alone in the middle of the battlefield, fatally injured, cradling King Cailain's body with an expression of utter failure, clearly aware that Loghain has betrayed them, watching as the darkspawn overwhelm and slaughter anyone still left on the battlefield. His last act is to look up at the Tower of Ishal (where the Warden and Alistair are still holed up), with an expression of [[MyGreatestFailure deepest regret for having seemingly sent them both to their deaths]], before looking around to see the darkspawn general and the rest of the horde make their final assault, unable to do more than [[FaceDeathWithDignity stare down the charging darkspawn]] as the beast pulls back its axe for the deathblow, helped along by the incredibly SadBattleMusic playing at this point.
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* Duncan's death at the Battle of Ostagar. He's left alone in the middle of the battlefield, fatally injured, cradling King Cailain's body with an expression of utter failure, clearly aware that Loghain has betrayed them, watching as the darkspawn overwhelm and slaughter anyone still left on the battlefield. His last act is to look up at the Tower of Ishal (where the Warden and Alistair are still holed up), with an expression of [[MyGreatestFailure deepest regret for having seemingly sent them both to their deaths]], before looking around to see the darkspawn general and the rest of the horde make their final assault, unable to do more than [[FaceDeathWithDignity stare down the charging darkspawn]] as the beast pulls back its axe for the deathblow, helped along by the incredibly SadBattleMusic playing at this point.
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* Encountering [[TragicMonster Danyla]] in the Brecilian Forest. She's a Dalish Elf who's already transformed into a werewolf, but has retained enough of her sanity to beg you to put her out of her misery and tell her husband, back at camp, that she loves him. The way she talks, constantly having to catch her breath because of the excruciating pain she suffers, while still trying her best to answer your questions if you press her for information... Not to mention that if you decide to grant her request, she will use her last breath to thank you. She's gone to a better place, but that doesn't make the conversation or the MercyKill itself any easier for the player.
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* Encountering [[TragicMonster Danyla]] in the Brecilian Forest.Danyla]]. She's a Dalish Elf who's already transformed into a werewolf, but has retained enough of her sanity to beg you to put her out of her misery and tell her husband, back at camp, that she loves him. The way she talks, constantly having to catch her breath because of the excruciating pain she suffers, while still trying her best to answer your questions if you press her for information... Not to mention that if you decide to grant her request, she will use her last breath to thank you. She's gone to a better place, but that doesn't make the conversation or the MercyKill itself any easier for the player.
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* Telling Owen the blacksmith about his daughter's death, after you promised him you would bring her back alive just as a means to an end. If you return to the blacksmith, you find another guy there, who tells you Owen [[DrivenToSuicide killed himself]].
* If you're a mage and stay loyal to your old friend Jowan, it makes his being led away to his final fate at the Circle Tower all the worse.
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* The death of Connor, if you choose to end the Arl of Redcliffe quest by killing him. You learn that Connor struck a deal with the demon to save his father, not knowing what would happen. It especially gets heart-wrenching if you've managed to defeat him but allow Isolde to convince you not to deliver the death blow. Connor will re-awaken and the demon will threaten to kill Arl Eamon; it is that point that Isolde will realize that he cannot be saved. In the end, she will tearfully ask you to leave the room while she kills Connor, still cradling her young boy in her arms.
** To make matters worse, the ending afterward indicates that Isolde died in childbirth bearing a daughter, who also turned out to be a mage and got shipped off to the tower; you can't save Isolde or help Eamon carry on his family name if you take that option.
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* Telling Owen the blacksmith about his daughter's death, after you promised him you would bring her back alive just as a means to an end. If you return to the blacksmith, you find another guy there, who tells you Owen [[DrivenToSuicide killed himself]].
* If you're a mage and stay loyal to your old friend Jowan, it makes his being led away to his final fate at the Circle Tower all the worse.
--> '''Jowan''': Goodbye... friend.
* The death of Connor, if you choose to end the Arl of Redcliffe quest by killing him. You learn that Connor struck a deal with the demon to save his father, not knowing what would happen. It especially gets heart-wrenching if you've managed to defeat him but allow Isolde to convince you not to deliver the death blow. Connor will re-awaken and the demon will threaten to kill Arl Eamon; it is that point that Isolde will realize that he cannot be saved. In the end, she will tearfully ask you to leave the room while she kills Connor, still cradling her young boy in her arms.
** To make matters worse, the ending afterward indicates that Isolde died in childbirth bearing a daughter, who also turned out to be a mage and got shipped off to the tower; you can't save Isolde or help Eamon carry on his family name if you take that option.
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* The ''Revelation'' comic. It takes place immediately after Riordan tells the Warden that a HeroicSacrifice will be necessary to kill the Archdemon. To give the comic some context, it's set in a playthrough where a female Warden is in love with Alistair and close friends with Morrigan. Not only do we get to see Alistair's [[DespairEventHorizon reaction to the knowledge that either he or the woman he loves is probably gonna die in battle]], but we also see the conflict Morrigan feels at the prospect of sleeping with the man her only true friend loves in order to save her life.
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-->'''Alistair''': I - I want to go. Can we go?
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-->'''Alistair''': I - I-- I want to go. Can we go?
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---> First: Cale Viazagat, revenant and perversion of an only son.
---> Second: Nethamas Bigal, revenant and perversion of a fine daughter.
---> Third: Argruth Massaad, revenant and perversion of a treasured mother.
---> Fourth: Quametha Kagat, revenant and perversion of an honored father.
---> Fifth: Shamas Goodson, revenant and perversion of a rare friendship.
---> Sixth: Anton Wither, revenant and perversion of a friend not met.
---> Second: Nethamas Bigal, revenant and perversion of a fine daughter.
---> Third: Argruth Massaad, revenant and perversion of a treasured mother.
---> Fourth: Quametha Kagat, revenant and perversion of an honored father.
---> Fifth: Shamas Goodson, revenant and perversion of a rare friendship.
---> Sixth: Anton Wither, revenant and perversion of a friend not met.
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--> ''Second: Nethamas Bigal, revenant and perversion of a fine
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--> ''Sixth: Anton Wither, revenant and perversion of a friend not met.''
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--> A brutishly strong honey liquor, reminiscent of warm summer days, apple blossoms on the wind with an unexpected aftertaste of father going off to war, never to return. Bitter, to say the least.
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--> A ''A brutishly strong honey liquor, reminiscent of warm summer days, apple blossoms on the wind with an unexpected aftertaste of father going off to war, never to return. Bitter, to say the least.''
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--->'''Tamlen:''' [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove Always... loved you...]] ''[[ApologeticAttacker I'm so sorry...]]''
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-->'''Ruck:''' Nonononono! No Filda! No mother! No warm blanket and stew and pillow and soft words! Ruck doesn't deserve good memories! No, no, NO!
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--> '''Hespith:''' But the true abomination... is not that it occurred, but [[MoralEventHorizon that it was]] ''[[MoralEventHorizon allowed]]''. Branka... my love... The Stone has punished me, dream friend. [[DespairEventHorizon I am dying of something worse than death]]... Betrayal.
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--> '''Hespith:''' '''Hespith''': But the true abomination... is not that it occurred, but [[MoralEventHorizon that it was]] ''[[MoralEventHorizon allowed]]''. Branka... my love... The Stone has punished me, dream friend. [[DespairEventHorizon I am dying of something worse than death]]... Betrayal.
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---> '''Hespith:''' I was her captain, and I did not stop her. Her lover, and I could not turn her. Forgive her... but no, [[ThisIsUnforgivable she cannot be forgiven]].
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---> '''Hespith:''' '''Hespith''': I was her captain, and I did not stop her. Her lover, and I could not turn her. Forgive her... but no, [[ThisIsUnforgivable she cannot be forgiven]].
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--> Jowan: Goodbye... friend.
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--> Jowan: '''Jowan''': Goodbye... friend.
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-->'''Sten:''' I have ''never'' denied that I failed.
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-->'''The Guardian:''' Ah, the dwarf. You left your home and came to the surface, knowing that-
-->'''Oghren:''' Why don't I save you some time? Yes, I wish I could have saved my family from Branka. I wish I could have been a better mate; maybe she would have stayed home with a belly full of baby Oghren and never gone for the Anvil. Maybe I failed her. And yes, I came to the surface because I'm barely a dwarf anymore. My family is dead, my honor as a warrior long gone. I've lost my caste and my house, and I have nothing else to lose!
-->'''Oghren:''' Why don't I save you some time? Yes, I wish I could have saved my family from Branka. I wish I could have been a better mate; maybe she would have stayed home with a belly full of baby Oghren and never gone for the Anvil. Maybe I failed her. And yes, I came to the surface because I'm barely a dwarf anymore. My family is dead, my honor as a warrior long gone. I've lost my caste and my house, and I have nothing else to lose!
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-->'''The Guardian:''' Guardian''': Ah, the dwarf. You left your home and came to the surface, knowing that-
-->'''Oghren:''' -->'''Oghren''': Why don't I save you some time? Yes, I wish I could have saved my family from Branka. I wish I could have been a better mate; maybe she would have stayed home with a belly full of baby Oghren and never gone for the Anvil. Maybe I failed her. And yes, I came to the surface because I'm barely a dwarf anymore. My family is dead, my honor as a warrior long gone. I've lost my caste and my house, and I have nothing else to lose!
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--> '''Jowan:''' You have wondered, many times, if what happened to me was your doing... But it is too easy to obsess over "what if" and "what could have been." These thoughts will eat away at you, if you let them. Forgive yourself, just as I have forgiven you.
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--> '''Jowan:''' '''Jowan''': You have wondered, many times, if what happened to me was your doing... But it is too easy to obsess over "what if" and "what could have been." These thoughts will eat away at you, if you let them. Forgive yourself, just as I have forgiven you.
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--> '''Shianni:''' Do you remember us, where you came from, and what some of us still face every day?
--> '''The Warden:''' I wish I could free you all.
--> '''Shianni:''' Really? Thank you, but that will take time, more time than you can spare.
--> '''The Warden:''' I wish I could free you all.
--> '''Shianni:''' Really? Thank you, but that will take time, more time than you can spare.
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--> '''Shianni:''' '''Shianni''': Do you remember us, where you came from, and what some of us still face every day?
--> '''TheWarden:''' Warden''': I wish I could free you all.
-->'''Shianni:''' '''Shianni''': Really? Thank you, but that will take time, more time than you can spare.
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--> '''Maferath:''' Yes, jealousy drove me to betrayal. I was the greatest general of the Alammari... but beside her, I was nothing. Thousands fell before her on bended knee. They loved her, as did the Maker. I loved her too, but what man can compare to a god?
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--> '''Maferath:''' '''Maferath''': Yes, jealousy drove me to betrayal. I was the greatest general of the Alammari... but beside her, I was nothing. Thousands fell before her on bended knee. They loved her, as did the Maker. I loved her too, but what man can compare to a god?
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-->''' Loghain:''' It was six months before we saw her again. The Orlesian returned her - and when I say "returned," I mean "pushed her out of his wagon." She was skin and bone, and still carried the scars from where their pronged collars bit into her neck. She never quite recovered. She passed away after a week. It was as though she held on long enough to come home to us. I held her head in my lap, and I believe she died happy.
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-->''' Loghain:''' Loghain''': It was six months before we saw her again. The Orlesian returned her - and when I say "returned," I mean "pushed her out of his wagon." She was skin and bone, and still carried the scars from where their pronged collars bit into her neck. She never quite recovered. She passed away after a week. It was as though she held on long enough to come home to us. I held her head in my lap, and I believe she died happy.
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--> First: Cale Viazagat, revenant and perversion of an only son.
--> Second: Nethamas Bigal, revenant and perversion of a fine daughter.
--> Third: Argruth Massaad, revenant and perversion of a treasured mother.
--> Fourth: Quametha Kagat, revenant and perversion of an honored father.
--> Fifth: Shamas Goodson, revenant and perversion of a rare friendship.
--> Sixth: Anton Wither, revenant and perversion of a friend not met.
--> Second: Nethamas Bigal, revenant and perversion of a fine daughter.
--> Third: Argruth Massaad, revenant and perversion of a treasured mother.
--> Fourth: Quametha Kagat, revenant and perversion of an honored father.
--> Fifth: Shamas Goodson, revenant and perversion of a rare friendship.
--> Sixth: Anton Wither, revenant and perversion of a friend not met.
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* The City Elf Warden's life in general, when you take into consideration everything about city elves. Their people are routinely abused by the people above them for no reason other than that they are elves, and the when they finally strike back, they're purged. The Warden gets off because they were recruited, but they aren't allowed to come back on account of the alienage being locked off by the city.
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* The City Elf Warden's life in general, when you take into consideration everything about city elves. Their people are routinely abused by the people above them for no reason other than that they are elves, and the when they finally strike back, they're purged. The Warden gets off because they were recruited, but they aren't allowed to come back on account of due to the alienage being locked off by the city.
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*** It gets worse depending on the origin chosen. If playing a City Elf, you rescue your father...who then sadly informs you that Valendrian (the hahren/elder of the alienage) has already been shipped to the Tevinter Imperium. If playing another race, you find Valendrian but Cyrion (the City Elf's father) is nowhere to be seen. You ''cannot'' save both of them, no matter what.
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*** It gets worse depending on the origin chosen. If playing a City Elf, you rescue your father... who then sadly informs you that Valendrian (the hahren/elder of the alienage) has already been shipped to the Tevinter Imperium. If playing another race, you find Valendrian Valendrian, but Cyrion (the City Elf's father) is nowhere to be seen. You ''cannot'' save both of them, no matter what.
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** Even Leliana gets in on the casual racism. She remarks about how elves in Orlais don't have it all that bad, and she begins describing them like one would describe a porcelain doll. The Warden can angrily reply that elves aren't pets, and Leliana would immediately apologize.
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** Even Leliana gets in on the casual racism. She remarks about how elves in Orlais don't have it all that bad, and she begins describing them like one would describe a porcelain doll. The Warden can angrily reply that elves aren't pets, and Leliana would immediately apologize.apologizes.
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* From the Human Noble origin, there's Iona, a sweet, shy and demure Elven lady-in-waiting. You can romance her, but whether you do or not, she's killed by Howe's men. It's get worse, though. In your earlier conversation with her, she mentions having a daughter, Amethyne, who lives at the Elven Alienage in Denerim. Her husband, and thus the girl's father, had already passed away two years prior. Near the end of the game, months after the the events of the Origin and when you probably already forgot about Iona, you visit the Alienage... and Amethyne is there, wondering to herself when her mother will return from Highever. And there's ''nothing'' you can do for her; you can't even speak to her.
* The final scene of the Human Noble Origin. That last shot of your mother cradling your dying father, knowing that Howe's men are fast approaching, is absolutely heartbreaking.
** Bryce and Eleanor Cousland's last words to their son/daughter:
* The final scene of the Human Noble Origin. That last shot of your mother cradling your dying father, knowing that Howe's men are fast approaching, is absolutely heartbreaking.
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* From the Human Noble origin, there's Iona, Iona is a sweet, shy and demure Elven lady-in-waiting.elf who serves as lady-in-waiting to your mother's friend Lady Landra. You can romance her, but whether you do or not, she's killed by Howe's men. It's get worse, though. In your earlier conversation with her, she mentions having a daughter, Amethyne, who lives at the Elven Alienage in Denerim. Her husband, and thus the girl's father, had already passed away two years prior. Near the end of the game, months after the the events of the Origin and when you probably already forgot about Iona, you visit the Alienage... and Amethyne is there, wondering to herself when her mother will return from Highever. And there's ''nothing'' you can do for her; you can't even speak to her.
* Just after the castle invasion is brought to your notice, you and your mother fight your way to your brother's suite, where his wife and young son live, in order to protect them. You're too late - they were, in all likelihood, among the very first victims of the invasion. It's one of the instances where DullSurprise is ''not'' at work on the faces; your character and their mother will both look ''absolutely crushed'' at the discovery.
* The final scene of theHuman Noble Origin.origin. That last shot of your mother cradling your dying father, knowing that Howe's men are fast approaching, is absolutely heartbreaking. \n It's especially painful because the origin makes it ''abundantly'' clear that the Couslands are a loving family who really value one another.
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* Just after the castle invasion is brought to your notice, you and your mother fight your way to your brother's suite, where his wife and young son live, in order to protect them. You're too late - they were, in all likelihood, among the very first victims of the invasion. It's one of the instances where DullSurprise is ''not'' at work on the faces; your character and their mother will both look ''absolutely crushed'' at the discovery.
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* You only have limited interaction with him, but Nelaros, the husband-to-be of the Female City Elf, gives a great tear jerker. He valiantly organizes a rescue to save the women and his bride taken, despite being one of only two people in the Alienage willing to take the risk. He stands watch in the corridor while Soris frees the player character, only to be mercilessly cut down by guards the moment the two join back up with him. What's even sadder is that when you examine his body, one of the few things you find is ''your wedding ring''.
* It's similar for Nesiara, the bride-to-be for the Male City Elf. She gets out with her neck intact, unlike Nelaros, but she loses you almost as soon as she gains you because joining the Grey Wardens doesn't allow you to marry her. Her dowry money then has to be used to pay for her return journey home. Not to mention that she got kidnapped and threatened with rape and/or murder by Vaughan and his cronies, and the reason you're forced to join the Wardens in the first place is because you fought your way through the Arl's mansion to ''rescue her'' from that fate.
* It's similar for Nesiara, the bride-to-be for the Male City Elf. She gets out with her neck intact, unlike Nelaros, but she loses you almost as soon as she gains you because joining the Grey Wardens doesn't allow you to marry her. Her dowry money then has to be used to pay for her return journey home. Not to mention that she got kidnapped and threatened with rape and/or murder by Vaughan and his cronies, and the reason you're forced to join the Wardens in the first place is because you fought your way through the Arl's mansion to ''rescue her'' from that fate.
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* You only have limited interaction with him, but Nelaros, the husband-to-be of the Female City Elf, gives a great tear jerker. He valiantly organizes a rescue to save the women and his bride and the other women taken, despite being one of only two people in the Alienage willing to take the risk. He stands watch in the corridor while Soris frees the player character, only to be mercilessly cut down by guards the moment the two join back up with him. What's even sadder is that when you examine his body, one of the few things you find is ''your wedding ring''.
* It's similar for Nesiara, the bride-to-be for the Male City Elf. She gets out with her neck intact, unlike Nelaros, but she loses you almost as soon as she gains you because joining the Grey Wardens doesn't allow you to marry her. Her dowry moneythen has to be used to pay for her return journey home. Not to mention that she got kidnapped and threatened with rape and/or murder by Vaughan and his cronies, and the reason you're forced to join the Wardens in the first place is because you fought your way through the Arl's mansion to ''rescue her'' from that fate. She clearly regrets it, remarking that you'll never know how things might have been between the two of you.
* It's similar for Nesiara, the bride-to-be for the Male City Elf. She gets out with her neck intact, unlike Nelaros, but she loses you almost as soon as she gains you because joining the Grey Wardens doesn't allow you to marry her. Her dowry money
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** Even worse is when they meets her "ghost" when searching for the Urn of Sacred Ashes as part of a test. The Warden still blames themselves for being [[MyGreatestFailure too late to save her.]]
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* The end result. Your older brother, who hates your guts no matter what, is either killed by you in self-defense or dies off-camera. Your "nice" brother, who plans to take his place as heir, frames you for fratricide (which you may or may not have committed) and gets you thrown into the Deep Roads to die fighting darkspawn. Your manservant Gorim, who may be your best friend or even your lover depending on responses, is stripped of his honour and sent to the surface, and you both become {{Unperson}}s whose names are struck from the register of names in Orzammar. Later, your heartbroken father becomes ill and dies off-screen. It's made worse when you later learn that your father tacitly allowed you to be exiled because he thought it would cost your family the throne if he contested it (though he later came to regret that decision). And if Gorim was the Dwarf Noble's lover, it's painful to discover that after his exile he married someone else and is expecting a child. Yeesh.
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* The end result. Your older brother, who hates your guts no matter what, is either killed by you in self-defense or dies off-camera. Your "nice" brother, who plans to take his place as heir, frames you for fratricide (which you may or may not have committed) and gets you thrown into the Deep Roads to die fighting darkspawn. Your manservant Gorim, who may be your best friend or even your lover depending on responses, your dialogue choices, is stripped of his honour and sent to the surface, and you both become {{Unperson}}s whose names are struck from the register of names in Orzammar. Later, your heartbroken father becomes ill and dies off-screen. It's made worse when you later learn that your father tacitly allowed you to be exiled because he thought it would cost your family the throne if he contested it (though he later came to regret that decision). And if Gorim was the Dwarf Noble's lover, it's painful to discover that after his exile exile, he married someone else and is expecting a child. Yeesh.
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** If you choose to speak to Duncan in the Proving Grounds, he will greet the Warden warmly and then wonder why they're looking at him so strangely. One of the dialogue options you can pick is for Brosca to quietly admit that Duncan's greeting is a lot nicer than they're used to.
** Seeing the vision of Leske in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest becomes this if you go there after completing 'A Paragon of Her Kind,' [[spoiler: because you would have had to kill him in the final confrontation with Jarvia.]]
** Seeing the vision of Leske in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest becomes this if you go there after completing 'A Paragon of Her Kind,' [[spoiler: because you would have had to kill him in the final confrontation with Jarvia.]]
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** If you choose to speak to Duncan in the Proving Grounds, he will greet the Warden warmly and then wonder why they're looking at him so strangely. One of the dialogue options you can pick is for Brosca to quietly admit that Duncan's greeting is a lot nicer much friendlier than they're used to.
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** Seeing the vision of Leske in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest becomes this if you go there after completing'A "A Paragon of Her Kind,' Kind," [[spoiler: because you would have had to kill him in the final confrontation with Jarvia.]]
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* Duncan's death at the Battle of Ostagar. He's left alone in the middle of the battlefield, fatally injured, cradling King Cailain's body with an expression of utter failure, clearly aware that Loghain has betrayed them, watching as the darkspawn overwhelm and slaughter anyone still left on the battlefield. His last act is to look up at the Tower of Ishal (where the Warden and Alistair are still holed up), with an expression of [[MyGreatestFailure deepest regret for having seemingly led them both to their deaths]], before looking around to see the darkspawn general and the rest of the horde make their final assault, unable to do more than [[FaceDeathWithDignity stare down the charging darkspawn]] as the beast pulls back its axe for the deathblow, helped along by the incredibly SadBattleMusic playing at this point.
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* Duncan's death at the Battle of Ostagar. He's left alone in the middle of the battlefield, fatally injured, cradling King Cailain's body with an expression of utter failure, clearly aware that Loghain has betrayed them, watching as the darkspawn overwhelm and slaughter anyone still left on the battlefield. His last act is to look up at the Tower of Ishal (where the Warden and Alistair are still holed up), with an expression of [[MyGreatestFailure deepest regret for having seemingly led sent them both to their deaths]], before looking around to see the darkspawn general and the rest of the horde make their final assault, unable to do more than [[FaceDeathWithDignity stare down the charging darkspawn]] as the beast pulls back its axe for the deathblow, helped along by the incredibly SadBattleMusic playing at this point.
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* Oghren's response to The Guardian is even more tear inducing. Keep in mind that at this point Oghren has gone through the loss of his house, his caste, and even possibly killing his own wife. Despite all that he doesn't voice to the party anything beyond mild discontent. When The Guardian questions him however, Oghren solidifies his Woobie status.
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* Oghren's response to The Guardian is even more tear inducing. Keep in mind that at this point Oghren has gone through the loss of his house, his caste, and even possibly killing his own wife. Despite all that that, he doesn't voice to the party anything beyond mild discontent. When The Guardian questions him however, Oghren solidifies his Woobie status.
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* When the Human Noble encounters the spectre of Bryce Cousland during the Gauntlet. This whole segment was particularly poignant because the Warden finally has to start to come to terms with the brutal murder of his parents in their Origin story. The Warden until this point can be assumed to have put this to one side because they must be focused on stopping the Blight, but this part of the story is where it actually stops and delves into the mind of the Warden for a brief moment, over what they feel over this tragedy and their lingering survivor's guilt. Bryce gently reassures the Human Noble that there was nothing they could have done and they shouldn't blame themselves, and that it was their mother's own choice to stay behind to die with her husband. He then tells the Human Noble that they must learn to let go of their guilt over what happened, and also that it's time to let go of their parents as well.
** It's also implied the Warden ''knows'' that this apparition isn't really their father, but still begs it to stay at the end. Given that the amulet received after this is "Reflection", this Test and the advice given could be interpreted as the Warden's subconscious telling themself all of these things to overcome their guilt, from the one person to whose words "Pup" would always listen.
** It's also implied the Warden ''knows'' that this apparition isn't really their father, but still begs it to stay at the end. Given that the amulet received after this is "Reflection", this Test and the advice given could be interpreted as the Warden's subconscious telling themself all of these things to overcome their guilt, from the one person to whose words "Pup" would always listen.
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** It's also implied the Warden ''knows'' that this apparition isn't really their father, but still begs it to stay at the end. Given that the amulet received after this is "Reflection", this Test and the advice given could be interpreted as the Warden's subconscious tellingthemself them all of these things to overcome their guilt, from the one person to whose words "Pup" would always listen.
** It's also implied the Warden ''knows'' that this apparition isn't really their father, but still begs it to stay at the end. Given that the amulet received after this is "Reflection", this Test and the advice given could be interpreted as the Warden's subconscious telling
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* Playing as a mage who didn't betray Jowan, his spirit says this in the Gauntlet:
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* Playing as a City Elf and meeting Shianni. Shianni reminds you that while you are out there being respected even by humans for being a Grey Warden, the rest of the Alienage, including your family are still on the risk of being killed or sold into slavery.
--> '''Shianni:''' Do you remember us, where you came from, and what some of us still face everyday?
--> '''Shianni:''' Do you remember us, where you came from, and what some of us still face everyday?
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* Playing as a City Elf and meeting Shianni. Shianni reminds you that while you are out there being respected even by humans for being a Grey Warden, the rest of the Alienage, including your family family, are still on the risk of being killed or sold into slavery.
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--> '''Shianni:''' Do you remember us, where you came from, and what some of us still face
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-->'''Alistair''': I- I want to go. Can we go?
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* Romancing him or no, just talk to Zevran and learn about his past (even before he tells you about Rinna). He tells you about how the Crows will buy elves because humans find them beautiful. He'll also tell you that he has had to sleep with people that he didn't want to. [[RapeAsBackstory Add those two together, plus the knowledge that he had to do whatever the Crows told him to.]] What's worse? He laughs it off because humor has always been his coping mechanism.
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* Romancing him or no, just talk to Zevran and learn about his past (even before he tells you about Rinna). He tells you about how the Crows will buy elves because humans find them beautiful. He'll also tell you that he has had to sleep with people that he didn't want to. against his will. [[RapeAsBackstory Add those two together, plus the knowledge that he had to do whatever the Crows told him to.to do.]] What's worse? He laughs it off because humor has always been his coping mechanism.
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** Really, any epilogue where the Warden dies after romancing a love interest becomes this. [[spoiler: Alistair leaves the Wardens because it's not the same without his lover, and vanishes to parts unknown. Leliana pours her grief into a heart-rending ballad before she too vanishes. Zevran eventually rejoins the Crows as its leader, but never falls in love again.]]
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* The Dwarf Commoner is in many ways just as bad as the City Elf's origin. Born casteless to Orzammar, the Dwarf Commoner is seen as less than sub-human, scathingly referred to as [[FantasticSlur 'brand']] if they so much as venture out of [[WretchedHive Dust Town.]] Their older sister Rica has to work as a prostitute for Beraht the Carta leader, in a scheme that involves her [[BabyTrap bearing a son for a noble so Beraht can claim kinship to the boy and raise his caste]], while the Warden works off Rica's debt by being his foot soldier. Also, their mother is an abusive drunk who gleefully tells the Warden that they'll never make something of themselves and will always be Dust Town trash.
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* The Dwarf Commoner is in many ways just as bad as the City Elf's origin. Born casteless to Orzammar, casteless, the Dwarf Commoner is seen as less than sub-human, scathingly referred to as [[FantasticSlur 'brand']] if they so much as venture out of [[WretchedHive Dust Town.]] Their older sister Rica has to work as a prostitute for Beraht the Carta leader, in a scheme that involves her [[BabyTrap bearing a son for a noble so Beraht can claim kinship to the boy and raise his caste]], while the Warden works off Rica's debt by being his foot soldier. Also, their mother is an abusive drunk who gleefully tells the Warden that they'll never make something of themselves and will always be Dust Town trash.
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*** It gets worse depending on the origin chosen. If playing a City Elf, you rescue your father...who then sadly informs you that Valendrian (the hahren/elder of the alienage) has already been shipped to the Tevinter Imperium. If playing another race, you find Valendrian but Cyrion (the City Elf's father) is nowhere to be seen. You ''cannot'' save either of them, no matter what.
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*** It gets worse depending on the origin chosen. If playing a City Elf, you rescue your father...who then sadly informs you that Valendrian (the hahren/elder of the alienage) has already been shipped to the Tevinter Imperium. If playing another race, you find Valendrian but Cyrion (the City Elf's father) is nowhere to be seen. You ''cannot'' save either both of them, no matter what.
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* The Dwarf Commoner is in many ways just as bad as the City Elf's origin. Born casteless to Orzammar, the Dwarf Commoner is seen as less than sub-human, scathingly referred to as [[FantasticSlur 'brand']] if they so much as venture out of [[WretchedHive Dust Town.]] Their older sister Rica has to work as a prostitute for Beraht the Carta leader, in a scheme that involves her[[BabyTrap bearing a son for a noble so Beraht can claim kinship to the boy and raise his caste]], while the Warden works off Rica's debt by being his foot soldier. Also, their mother is an abusive drunk who gleefully tells the Warden that they'll never make something of themselves and will always be Dust Town trash.
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* The Dwarf Commoner is in many ways just as bad as the City Elf's origin. Born casteless to Orzammar, the Dwarf Commoner is seen as less than sub-human, scathingly referred to as [[FantasticSlur 'brand']] if they so much as venture out of [[WretchedHive Dust Town.]] Their older sister Rica has to work as a prostitute for Beraht the Carta leader, in a scheme that involves her[[BabyTrap her [[BabyTrap bearing a son for a noble so Beraht can claim kinship to the boy and raise his caste]], while the Warden works off Rica's debt by being his foot soldier. Also, their mother is an abusive drunk who gleefully tells the Warden that they'll never make something of themselves and will always be Dust Town trash.
