History TearJerker / DragonAgeII

27th Jan '17 1:05:47 AM LadyNorbert
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** And to make matters worse, it's revealed in Dragon Age Inquistion that [[spoiler:there is a way to cure the Tranquils]].

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** And to make matters worse, it's revealed in Dragon Age Inquistion ''Inquisition'' that [[spoiler:there is a way to cure the Tranquils]].Tranquility]].



** [[TheMourningAfter Along the]] [[HeartbrokenBadass same lines]], you can run into Zevran in act three. If he loved and lost the Warden in an imported save, he turns down Isabela's offer of sex, saying the wounds are too fresh - even though it's been seven years at this point.

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** [[TheMourningAfter Along the]] [[HeartbrokenBadass same lines]], you can run into Zevran in act three. If he loved and lost the Warden in an imported save, he turns down Isabela's offer of sex, saying the wounds are too fresh - even though it's been seven ''seven'' years at this point.



* [[spoiler: The death of Aveline's husband]] in the prologue. The player must choose [[spoiler: whether to make Aveline perform a mercy kill, to have Hawke do it, or let the clearly distraught Aveline decide.]] None of the answers are right, and all heartbreaking to see.

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* [[spoiler: The death of Aveline's husband]] in the prologue. The player must choose [[spoiler: whether to make Aveline perform a mercy kill, to have Hawke do it, or let the clearly distraught Aveline decide.]] None of the answers are right, and all are heartbreaking to see.



* The ending, if you stop and think about it. [[spoiler: Hawke loses one of his/her siblings at the beginning of the game, and then loses the other either to the taint, the Grey Wardens, the Templars, or the Circle. His/her mother gets murdered in a gruesome manner by a completely ''insane'' serial killer. He/she cannot save the Viscount of Kirkwall, who is murdered by the Arishok. He/she is unable to stop the fighting between Meredith and Orsino, which leads to mage-templar relations dropping to an all-time low. He/she is duped by Anders' plot and made an (unwitting) accomplice in an act of terrorism that leads to war. He/she is forced to flee Kirkwall, abandoning the city that he/she worked so hard to try to save. His/her friends eventually [[TheFellowshipHasEnded go their separate ways]], still friends but no longer united. At ''best,'' Hawke is able to find some happiness with a romanced partner (if you went that route), but they are forced to separate as Hawke goes on the run. The poor guy/girl cannot catch a break. And, as if [[CosmicPlaything the world didn't hate him/her enough]], it is possible for Hawke to die in the Fade during ''Inquisition''.]]
** [[spoiler: Though if Hawke lives in ''Inquisition'', in the ''Trespasser'' DLC he returns to Kirkwall to work together with Varric, who was elected Viscount.]]

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* The ending, if you stop and think about it. [[spoiler: Hawke loses one of his/her siblings at the beginning of the game, and then loses the other either to the taint, the Grey Wardens, the Templars, or the Circle. His/her mother gets murdered in a gruesome manner by a completely ''insane'' serial killer. He/she cannot save the Viscount of Kirkwall, who is murdered by the Arishok. He/she is unable to stop the fighting between Meredith and Orsino, which leads to mage-templar mage-Templar relations dropping to an all-time low. He/she S/he is duped by Anders' plot and made an (unwitting) accomplice in an act of terrorism that leads to war. He/she is forced to flee Kirkwall, abandoning the city that he/she worked so hard to try to save. His/her friends eventually [[TheFellowshipHasEnded go their separate ways]], still friends but no longer united. At ''best,'' Hawke is able to find some happiness with a romanced partner (if you went that route), but they are forced to separate as Hawke goes who is the only one accompanying him/her on the run.run after the end of the game. The poor guy/girl cannot catch a break. And, as if [[CosmicPlaything the world didn't hate him/her enough]], it is possible for Hawke to die in the Fade during ''Inquisition''.]]
** [[spoiler: Though if Hawke lives in ''Inquisition'', in the ''Trespasser'' DLC he s/he returns to Kirkwall to work together with Varric, who was elected Viscount.]]



* Merrill's final personal quest is just horrible. To elaborate, after years of build up after she obtains the necessary tools [[spoiler: to reconstruct the Eluvian and possibly unlock hidden secrets about her culture, she finds that in order to truly complete it, she must first contact the demon who gave her access to blood magic in the first place.]] After a long trek back up to Sundermount, you finally approach the cave where [[spoiler: Merrill made her blood pact with the demon, only to find that Keeper Marethari has not only beaten you there, but revealed that she has [[HeroicSacrifice allowed the demon to possess her in order to prevent it from taking Merrill]]. You must then go through a lengthy battle with the Pride abomination that Merrill's mentor and adoptive mother has become (as an added kick to the gut, mid-way through the battle the abomination will take the form of Marethari and attempt to fool you into thinking you've won and she's regained consciousness, only to stab Merrill in the stomach as she tries to hug her and then continue fighting once more), and, after losing her only hope of restoring her culture as well as her Keeper, you head out the cave.]] But wait, there's more! A group of hunters who will be waiting outside the cave will now question you as to what happened, the best case scenario involves [[spoiler: Merrill being completely abandoned by her clan, and, as word spreads, all other Dalish clans that she may ever meet,]] the worst case scenario involves [[spoiler: slaughtering the hunters as well as every other member of her clan.]] To wrap things up, if you've chosen not to romance Merrill, [[spoiler: the epilogue states that all of Hawke's companions eventually split apart, and for Merrill, this means that she will now have to travel the world alone, hunted by the Chantry for being an apostate and a blood mage, and rejected by her people for causing the death of her Keeper and potentially the rest of her clan.]]
** This is also not mentioning the [[SarcasmMode sweet and comforting comments]] that Anders and Fenris have for her, such as "... the world is a poorer place with you left in it"[[note]]Fenris will say, "For once, I agree with you." if he's present[[/note]] and [[spoiler: "I'm not sorry she's dead. I'm only sorry she died for you."]]
*** To be fair, Fenris follows that up with [[spoiler:"Let's hope the sacrifice of someone who cared for you that much isn't wasted." Which makes sense, really. He doesn't hate the Keeper, even though she was a mage too, because she was strong enough to sacrifice herself to protect someone from dangerous magic. He's basically saying he hopes Merrill can become like her.]]

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* Merrill's final personal quest is just horrible. To elaborate, after years of build up after she obtains the necessary tools [[spoiler: to reconstruct the Eluvian and possibly unlock hidden secrets about her culture, she finds that in order to truly complete it, she must first contact the demon who gave her access to blood magic in the first place.]] After a long trek back up to Sundermount, you finally approach the cave where [[spoiler: Merrill made her blood pact with the demon, only to find that Keeper Marethari has not only beaten you there, but revealed that she has [[HeroicSacrifice allowed the demon to possess her in order to prevent it from taking Merrill]]. You must then go through a lengthy battle with the Pride abomination that Merrill's mentor and adoptive mother has become (as an added kick to the gut, mid-way through the battle the abomination will take the form of Marethari and attempt to fool you into thinking you've won and she's regained consciousness, only to stab Merrill in the stomach as she tries to hug her and then continue fighting once more), and, after losing her only hope of restoring her culture as well as her Keeper, you head out the cave.]] But wait, there's more! A group of hunters who will be waiting outside the cave will now question you as to what happened, the happened. The best case scenario involves [[spoiler: Merrill being completely abandoned by her clan, and, as word spreads, all other Dalish clans that she may ever meet,]] the meet.]] The worst case scenario involves [[spoiler: slaughtering the hunters as well as every other member of her clan.]] To wrap things up, if you've chosen not to romance Merrill, [[spoiler: the epilogue states that all of Hawke's companions eventually split apart, and for Merrill, this means that she will now have to travel the world alone, hunted by the Chantry for being an apostate and a blood mage, and rejected by her people for causing the death of her Keeper and potentially the rest of her clan.]]
** This is also not mentioning the [[SarcasmMode sweet and comforting comments]] that Anders and Fenris have for her, such as "... the world is a poorer place with you left in it"[[note]]Fenris will say, "For once, I agree with you." if he's present[[/note]] and [[spoiler: "I'm not sorry she's dead. I'm only sorry she died for you."]]
*** To be fair, Fenris follows that up with [[spoiler:"Let's hope the sacrifice of someone who cared for you that much isn't wasted." Which This makes sense, really. He doesn't hate the Keeper, even though she was a mage too, because she was strong enough to sacrifice herself to protect someone from dangerous magic. He's basically saying he hopes Merrill can become like her.]]



*** Merrill even all but concedes to their cold words (not by name but by an acknowledgement of what they've often snapped at her about) by "Merrill, Friend Or Foe?" if you pursue her rivalry path (which is very easy to pursue with [[spoiler:Forbidden Knowledge in Act II, as you can seek out the evil tomes even if you killed Idunna, which will be quest markered (though their locations are not stated) after finding the first one; destroying each one gives a hefty rivalry boost and a final quest point]]), and while some of the dialogue in the midst of pursuing her rivalry can have Hawke genuinely be concerned for her well-being as she grows angrier about his/her potential and likely "betrayal" involving the Eluvian, she becomes more reclusive around him/her as a result. The rivalry branch of her specialization tree really compounds this, as when compared to most of the others' (Fenris' is "agree[ing] to disagree," Isabela's is like a beleaguered husband [her] avoiding his argumentative wife [Hawke], Varric will tell Hawke's story whether he likes it or not, etc.), hers is much more personal: "Accepted nowhere, Merrill has learned that she can depend only on herself."

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*** Merrill even all but concedes to their cold words (not by name but by an acknowledgement of what they've often snapped at her about) by "Merrill, Friend Or Foe?" if you pursue her rivalry path (which is very easy to pursue with [[spoiler:Forbidden Knowledge in Act II, as you can seek out the evil tomes even if you killed Idunna, which will be quest markered marked (though their locations are not stated) after finding the first one; destroying each one gives a hefty rivalry boost and a final quest point]]), and while some of the dialogue in the midst of pursuing her rivalry can have Hawke genuinely be concerned for her well-being as she grows angrier about his/her potential and likely "betrayal" involving the Eluvian, she becomes more reclusive around him/her as a result. The rivalry branch of her specialization tree really compounds this, as when compared to most of the others' (Fenris' is "agree[ing] to disagree," Isabela's is like a beleaguered husband [her] avoiding his argumentative wife [Hawke], Varric will tell Hawke's story whether he likes it or not, etc.), hers is much more personal: "Accepted nowhere, Merrill has learned that she can depend only on herself."



** Bethany sounds like she's sobbing while begging Hawke to get up. Both Bethany and Carver's reactions are especially harsh when you realize that they have already lost one sibling and are faced with the prospect of losing the other.

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** Bethany sounds like she's sobbing while begging Hawke to get up. Both Bethany and Carver's reactions are especially harsh when you realize remember that they have already lost one sibling and are faced with the prospect of losing the other.
20th Jan '17 12:36:14 PM LadyNorbert
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* [[spoiler:Larius' or Janeka]]'s fates at the end of Legacy. [[spoiler:The former has been a ghoul desperately fighting Corypheus' influence for decades after his Calling, and the latter is a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks she could potentially stop all future [[TheBlight Blights]] by taking control of Corypheus]]. No matter what you do, [[spoiler:one is killed by the other]] and [[spoiler:Corypheus ends up possessing the survivor of the final battle]].

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* [[spoiler:Larius' or Janeka]]'s fates at the end of Legacy. [[spoiler:The former has been a ghoul desperately fighting Corypheus' influence for decades after his Calling, and the latter is a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks she could potentially stop all future [[TheBlight [[TheCorruption Blights]] by taking control of Corypheus]]. No matter what you do, [[spoiler:one is killed by the other]] and [[spoiler:Corypheus ends up possessing the survivor of the final battle]].
8th Nov '16 8:51:14 AM Imjustme
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* Most possible endings to the [[spoiler: Anders]] romance arc. [[spoiler: The tragedy starts from his personal quest in Act II, "Dissent." Vengeance seizes control of him towards the end. If Hawke doesn't talk him down, Anders will kill an innocent mage. Even if he spares the girl, he's still filled with doubts. Enter the romance. Anders seems to perk up. He believes Hawke is his anchor...until Act III rolls around. At the beginning, Anders claims to want to rid himself of Vengeance. He asks for Hawke's help in doing so. Witness Anders trying to get rid of his personal belongings. Witness him putting distance between himself and Hawke. Witness him blowing up the Chantry with innocents still inside so he can send a message about oppression. He also used Hawke to unwittingly help him, which could easily be seen as a personal betrayal. At this point, Hawke has a tough decision: Keep him around knowing he betrayed them, send him away, or kill him outright. Worse, he won't even really fight this. He believes his life is forfeit. His face and Hawke's after the Chantry blows up makes it abundantly clear he's not fully comfortable with what he's done. It's such a change from the light, flirty Anders in ''Awakening'', it seems even sadder in comparison.]]

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* Most possible endings to the [[spoiler: Anders]] romance arc. [[spoiler: The tragedy starts from his personal quest in Act II, "Dissent." Vengeance Justice seizes control of him towards the end. If Hawke doesn't talk him down, Anders will kill an innocent mage. Even if he spares the girl, he's still filled with doubts. Enter the romance. Anders seems to perk up. He believes Hawke is his anchor...until Act III rolls around. At the beginning, Anders claims to want to rid himself of Vengeance.Justice. He asks for Hawke's help in doing so. Witness Anders trying to get rid of his personal belongings. Witness him putting distance between himself and Hawke. Witness him blowing up the Chantry with innocents still inside so he can send a message about oppression. He also used Hawke to unwittingly help him, which could easily be seen as a personal betrayal. At this point, Hawke has a tough decision: Keep him around knowing he betrayed them, send him away, or kill him outright. Worse, he won't even really fight this. He believes his life is forfeit. His face and Hawke's after the Chantry blows up makes it abundantly clear he's not fully comfortable with what he's done. He just felt it had to be to save his people. It's such a change from the light, flirty Anders in ''Awakening'', it seems even sadder in comparison.]]



** [[spoiler: Anders's]] whole character arc is a huge tearjerker in itself - watching him descend from [[spoiler: sweet but snarky charmer]] to [[spoiler:compassionate healer fighting against his dark side to paranoid murderer as Vengeance corrupts him]] is just heartbreaking. In Acts I and II, he knows he's slowly descending into evil, he knows he's a danger to himself and others around him, and in Act II he even [[spoiler:turns away from the mage underground and seems to gain some control over himself after the incident with Ella - but between Acts II and III Vengeance reasserts itself and Anders gives in to his (literal) demons. His eventual betrayal, and seeing the once heroic Healer of Darktown kill innocent people, hurts a lot.]]

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** [[spoiler: Anders's]] whole character arc is a huge tearjerker in itself - watching him descend from [[spoiler: sweet but snarky charmer]] to [[spoiler:compassionate healer fighting against his dark side to paranoid murderer as Vengeance corrupts him]] his situation with murderous Templars and an impatient Justice slowly grinds his mental state down]] is just heartbreaking. In Acts I and II, he knows he's slowly descending into evil, what's happening to him, he knows he's a danger to himself and others around him, and in Act II he even [[spoiler:turns away from the mage underground and seems to gain some control over himself after the incident with Ella - but between Acts II and III Vengeance Justice reasserts itself and Anders fully gives in to his (literal) demons. their cause. His eventual betrayal, and seeing the once heroic Healer of Darktown kill innocent people, despite the good intentions, hurts a lot.]]
22nd Jul '16 12:45:06 AM OnTheHillside
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** Hearing the growing fear and desperation in [[spoiler:Hawke]]'s voice as they're following the blood trail, especially if [[spoiler:Hawke is normally a DeadpanSnarker]]. Normally, the only guy who gets to play with my heartstrings like that is Creator/JossWhedon.

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** Hearing the growing fear and desperation in [[spoiler:Hawke]]'s voice as they're following the blood trail, especially if [[spoiler:Hawke is normally a DeadpanSnarker]]. Normally, the only guy who gets to play with my heartstrings like that is Creator/JossWhedon.
28th Jun '16 4:36:41 AM Wilderstorm
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** The way his voice wavers is heartbreaking. Another flawlessly delivered scene from GideonEmery.
-->'''Fenris''': I've never remembered anything from before the ritual. To have it all come back in a rush, only to lose it... I can't. I ''can't''.
-->'''Hawke, desperately''': We can work through this.

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** The way his voice wavers before settling into defeat is heartbreaking. Another flawlessly delivered scene from GideonEmery.
scene, made all the more devastating by the fear growing in ''Hawke's'' voice as s/he realizes what is happening.
-->'''Fenris''': I've never remembered anything from before the ritual.anything. To have it all come back in a rush, only to lose it... I can't. I ''can't''.
-->'''Hawke, desperately''':
can't.
-->'''Hawke''':
We can work through this.
27th Jun '16 11:18:11 AM Wilderstorm
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-->'''Fenris''': All I wanted was to be happy... just for a little while. Forgive me.

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-->'''Hawke, desperately''': We can work through this.
-->'''Fenris''': I'm sorry. I feel like such a fool. All I wanted was to be happy... just for a little while. Forgive me.
27th Jun '16 11:16:28 AM Wilderstorm
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** The way his voice wavers is heartbreaking. Another flawlessly delivered scene from GideonEmery.
-->'''Fenris''': I've never remembered anything from before the ritual. To have it all come back in a rush, only to lose it... I can't. I ''can't''.
-->'''Fenris''': All I wanted was to be happy... just for a little while. Forgive me.
19th Jun '16 2:37:18 AM Koveras
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* During the Templar endgame, just before [[spoiler:Orsino transforms himself into a Harvester]], he tells Hawke and Meredith of the irony that he has never actually used blood magic in his entire previous life. The way he says this, however, with a mix of resentment and resignation of someone given no choice but to live up to entirely false accusations in his voice is utterly heartbreaking.

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* During the Templar endgame, just before [[spoiler:Orsino transforms himself into a Harvester]], he tells Hawke and Meredith of the irony that he has never actually used blood magic in his entire previous life. life before. The way he says this, however, with a bitter mix of resentment and resignation of someone given no choice but to live up to entirely false accusations in his voice is utterly heartbreaking.
19th Jun '16 2:36:26 AM Koveras
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* During the Templar endgame, just before [[spoiler:Orsino transforms himself into a Harvester]], he tells Hawke and Meredith of the irony that he has never actually used blood magic in his entire previous life. The way he says this, however, with a mix of resentment and resignation of someone given no choice but to live up to entirely false accusations in his voice is utterly heartbreaking.
30th May '16 10:32:26 AM AnotherGuy
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** This is also not mentioning the [[SarcasmMode sweet and comforting comments]] that Anders and Fenris have for her, such as "... the world is a poorer place with you left in it" and [[spoiler: "I'm not sorry she's dead. I'm only sorry she died for you."]]

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** This is also not mentioning the [[SarcasmMode sweet and comforting comments]] that Anders and Fenris have for her, such as "... the world is a poorer place with you left in it" it"[[note]]Fenris will say, "For once, I agree with you." if he's present[[/note]] and [[spoiler: "I'm not sorry she's dead. I'm only sorry she died for you."]]
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