History TearJerker / DragonAgeII

18th Jun '17 1:50:47 PM LadyNorbert
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** What's even worse is that, looking back, [[spoiler: in Act I, Hawke comes within moments of apprehending Quentin when s/he investigates the Foundry, arriving only to see the bastard book it back to his StalkerShrine. That's right, Hawke came within moments of preventing not only his/her mother's death, but the death of almost all the other women Quentin butchered as well as Ser Emeric's.]]
* Ghyslain de Carrac's tale. He's the initial questgiver for the SerialKiller plotline in Act I. At first, he seems like he's just some chauvinistic douche who wants his wife to be dragged home. However, by the end of the quest, it's obvious that he has genuine regrets about his marital problems with Ninette. [[spoiler: The somber tone in his voice when you give him Ninette's ring really makes it hard to not feel a little bad for the guy, especially if the player themselves has had relationship problems.]]

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** What's even worse is that, looking back, [[spoiler: in Act I, 1, Hawke comes within moments of apprehending Quentin when s/he investigates the Foundry, arriving only to see the bastard book it back to his StalkerShrine. That's right, Hawke came within moments of preventing not only his/her mother's death, but the death of almost all the other women Quentin butchered as well as Ser Emeric's.]]
* Ghyslain de Carrac's tale. He's the initial questgiver for the SerialKiller plotline in Act I.1. At first, he seems like he's just some chauvinistic douche who wants his wife to be dragged home. However, by the end of the quest, it's obvious that he has genuine regrets about his marital problems with Ninette. [[spoiler: The somber tone in his voice when you give him Ninette's ring really makes it hard to not feel a little bad for the guy, especially if the player themselves has had relationship problems.]]



* There is an optional conversation in Act III that Hawke can have with Bodahn. Bodahn tells Hawke that it is time for he and Sandal to be moving on. He (Bodahn) is getting old and he needs to see that Sandal is taken care of. Hawke can offer to care for Sandal but Bodahn turns down the offer, explaining that he and Sandal have been offered a place in Empress Celene's court in Orlais. At this point Hawke will turn away from Bodahn and face the fireplace (back to the camera). Then you realize that Hawke is coming to the realization that they are alone. Their father, mother and at least one of their siblings are dead. The other sibling is either also dead, is a Grey Warden, or is in the Gallows as a Circle Mage or a Templar. It serves to highlight that Hawke has utterly failed as the leader of the family despite their best efforts, and the toll it has taken on them. It becomes even more heartbreaking with a friendly Hawke: S/he goes above and beyond to help their companions with their fears, doubts, trials, and tribulations, but still ends up unable to resolve their own troubles. HurtingHero and HeartbrokenBadass, thy name is Hawke.

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* There is an optional conversation in Act III 3 that Hawke can have with Bodahn. Bodahn tells Hawke that it is time for he and Sandal to be moving on. He (Bodahn) is getting old and he needs to see that Sandal is taken care of. Hawke can offer to care for Sandal but Bodahn turns down the offer, explaining that he and Sandal have been offered a place in Empress Celene's court in Orlais. At this point Hawke will turn away from Bodahn and face the fireplace (back to the camera). Then you realize that Hawke is coming to the realization that they are alone. Their father, mother and at least one of their siblings are dead. The other sibling is either also dead, is a Grey Warden, or is in the Gallows as a Circle Mage or a Templar. It serves to highlight that Hawke has utterly failed as the leader of the family despite their best efforts, and the toll it has taken on them. It becomes even more heartbreaking with a friendly Hawke: S/he goes above and beyond to help their companions with their fears, doubts, trials, and tribulations, but still ends up unable to resolve their own troubles. HurtingHero and HeartbrokenBadass, thy name is Hawke.



* Another small moment is when Feynriel sends you a letter at the beginning of Act II. If sent to the Dalish, he remarks on his loneliness among the elves. Things are bad enough for Feynriel that the only person he feels he can confide in is basically a stranger whom he encountered briefly a few years ago, albeit one who had a huge impact in his life.

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* Another small moment is when Feynriel sends you a letter at the beginning of Act II.2. If sent to the Dalish, he remarks on his loneliness among the elves. Things are bad enough for Feynriel that the only person he feels he can confide in is basically a stranger whom he encountered briefly a few years ago, albeit one who had a huge impact in his life.



* [[spoiler: After Leandra's death in Act II, clicking on her door has Hawke mention they simply ''refuse'' to touch anything in [[ShrineToTheFallen the room]]. The DLC includes such small things as Hawke throwing coins into the fountain in ''Mark of the Assassin'' because it was a tradition Leandra enjoyed, as well as their DeadPersonConversation in ''Legacy''. All of this paints a very tragic picture that Hawke ''never'' quite gets over their mother's death and ''still'' carries it around with them as [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure]].]]

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* [[spoiler: After Leandra's death in Act II, 2, clicking on her door has Hawke mention they simply ''refuse'' to touch anything in [[ShrineToTheFallen the room]]. The DLC includes such small things as Hawke throwing coins into the fountain in ''Mark of the Assassin'' because it was a tradition Leandra enjoyed, as well as their DeadPersonConversation in ''Legacy''. All of this paints a very tragic picture that Hawke ''never'' quite gets over their mother's death and ''still'' carries it around with them as [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure]].]]



* While Ser Wesley's death is generally regarded as more poignant than the death of either Bethany or Carver, the latter can still be a highly emotional moment given the right context. Say, for example, that you just completed Act I as a Warrior/Rogue and with Bethany accompanying you most of the time. Then you want to try out what a Mage plays like... but this means you have to watch your sister, with whom you really feel you share a bond at this point, die. Seeing Bethany's lifeless body while Ser Wesley delivers his short but moving eulogy... It's not so much the moment itself that is sad, it's that you know what would've become of each unfortunate sibling had they survived, and the realization that they got robbed of so many experiences, good or bad, and the chance to grow into the person they each wanted to be.

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* While Ser Wesley's death is generally regarded as more poignant than the death of either Bethany or Carver, the latter can still be a highly emotional moment given the right context. Say, for example, that you just completed Act I 1 as a Warrior/Rogue and with Bethany accompanying you most of the time. Then you want to try out what a Mage plays like... but this means you have to watch your sister, with whom you really feel you share a bond at this point, die. Seeing Bethany's lifeless body while Ser Wesley delivers his short but moving eulogy... It's not so much the moment itself that is sad, it's that you know what would've become of each unfortunate sibling had they survived, and the realization that they got robbed of so many experiences, good or bad, and the chance to grow into the person they each wanted to be.



* Most possible endings to the [[spoiler: Anders]] romance arc. [[spoiler: The tragedy starts from his personal quest in Act II, "Dissent." Justice seizes control of him towards the end. If Hawke doesn't talk him down, Anders will kill an innocent mage. Even if he spares the girl, he's still filled with doubts. Enter the romance. Anders seems to perk up. He believes Hawke is his anchor...until Act III rolls around. At the beginning, Anders claims to want to rid himself of Justice. He asks for Hawke's help in doing so. Witness Anders trying to get rid of his personal belongings. Witness him putting distance between himself and Hawke. Witness him blowing up the Chantry with innocents still inside so he can send a message about oppression. He also used Hawke to unwittingly help him, which could easily be seen as a personal betrayal. At this point, Hawke has a tough decision: Keep him around knowing he betrayed them, send him away, or kill him outright. Worse, he won't even really fight this. He believes his life is forfeit. His face and Hawke's after the Chantry blows up makes it abundantly clear he's not fully comfortable with what he's done. He just felt it had to be to save his people. It's such a change from the light, flirty Anders in ''Awakening'', it seems even sadder in comparison.]]

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* Most possible endings to the [[spoiler: Anders]] romance arc. [[spoiler: The tragedy starts from his personal quest in Act II, 2, "Dissent." Justice seizes control of him towards the end. If Hawke doesn't talk him down, Anders will kill an innocent mage. Even if he spares the girl, he's still filled with doubts. Enter the romance. Anders seems to perk up. He believes Hawke is his anchor...until Act III 3 rolls around. At the beginning, Anders claims to want to rid himself of Justice. He asks for Hawke's help in doing so. Witness Anders trying to get rid of his personal belongings. Witness him putting distance between himself and Hawke. Witness him blowing up the Chantry with innocents still inside so he can send a message about oppression. He also used Hawke to unwittingly help him, which could easily be seen as a personal betrayal. At this point, Hawke has a tough decision: Keep him around knowing he betrayed them, send him away, or kill him outright. Worse, he won't even really fight this. He believes his life is forfeit. His face and Hawke's after the Chantry blows up makes it abundantly clear he's not fully comfortable with what he's done. He just felt it had to be to save his people. It's such a change from the light, flirty Anders in ''Awakening'', it seems even sadder in comparison.]]



** [[spoiler: Anders's]] whole character arc is a huge tearjerker in itself - watching him descend from [[spoiler: sweet but snarky charmer]] to [[spoiler:compassionate healer fighting against his dark side to paranoid murderer as his situation with murderous Templars and an impatient Justice slowly grinds his mental state down]] is just heartbreaking. In Acts I and II, he knows what's happening to him, he knows he's a danger to himself and others around him, and in Act II he even [[spoiler:turns away from the mage underground and seems to gain some control over himself after the incident with Ella - but between Acts II and III Justice reasserts itself and Anders fully gives in to their cause. His eventual betrayal, and seeing the once heroic Healer of Darktown kill innocent people, despite the good intentions, hurts a lot.]]

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** [[spoiler: Anders's]] whole character arc is a huge tearjerker in itself - watching him descend from [[spoiler: sweet but snarky charmer]] to [[spoiler:compassionate healer fighting against his dark side to paranoid murderer as his situation with murderous Templars and an impatient Justice slowly grinds his mental state down]] is just heartbreaking. In Acts I 1 and II, 2, he knows what's happening to him, he knows he's a danger to himself and others around him, and in Act II 2 he even [[spoiler:turns away from the mage underground and seems to gain some control over himself after the incident with Ella - but between Acts II 2 and III 3, Justice reasserts itself and Anders fully gives in to their cause. His eventual betrayal, and seeing the once heroic Healer of Darktown kill innocent people, despite the good intentions, hurts a lot.]]



** For bonus tears, if it's Bethany? [[spoiler:Listen to Varric. The man is ''devastated.'' Major voice acting props to Creator/BrianBloom, because if Hawke's own broken heart doesn't move the player to tears, Varric's ''will.'' "Oh, Sunshine," indeed.]]

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** For bonus tears, if it's Bethany? [[spoiler:Listen to Varric. The man is ''devastated.'' Major voice acting props to Creator/BrianBloom, because if Hawke's own broken heart doesn't move the player to tears, Varric's ''will.'' Not only that, but the way he talks about the matter when they get back to Kirkwall just lets you know that he will never, ever stop blaming himself for her death. "Oh, Sunshine," indeed.]]



** [[spoiler:Fenris killing his sister is heartbreaking. "I would have given you anything." The betrayal in his voice is just... GideonEmery ''nails'' that scene.]]

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** [[spoiler:Fenris killing his sister is heartbreaking. "I would have given you anything." The betrayal in his voice is just... GideonEmery Creator/GideonEmery ''nails'' that scene.]]



* Beforehand, [[SecondActBreakUp the break-up between Fenris and a romanced Hawke in Act II can count as this]]. In a series where the [[PowerOfLove power of love]] can cause Zevran to do a [[HeelFaceTurn Heel Face Turn]], Isabela to come back and save the day, Morrigan to soften her heart, and can give Justice an insight into humanity, it's a nasty little subversion of the idea that love solves everything and an effective [[PlayerPunch Player Punch]] the first time around.

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* Beforehand, [[SecondActBreakUp the break-up between Fenris and a romanced Hawke in Act II 2 can count as this]]. In a series where the [[PowerOfLove power of love]] ThePowerOfLove can cause Zevran to do a [[HeelFaceTurn Heel Face Turn]], Isabela to come back and save the day, Morrigan to soften her heart, and can give Justice an insight into humanity, it's a nasty little subversion of the idea that love solves everything and an effective [[PlayerPunch Player Punch]] the first time around.



* Isabela's back story. Isabela’s mother coldly sold her to an Antivan Merchant [[spoiler: when Isabela refused to convert to the Qun]], and although they married, it was basically slavery for her. She was his plaything, punished when she misbehaved, forced to [[RapeAsBackstory entertain his friends]], and was completely miserable until Zevran came and assassinated him. After that, she fell in love with someone else, and when the man she loved proposed to her, Isabela fled, triggered by her horrible experiences with her first husband, which broke the guy’s heart. Isabela became afraid of love and relationships because everyone in her life that should have loved her betrayed her, used her for their own selfish gain, and was abusive towards her. How is that not heartbreaking?

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* Isabela's back story. Isabela’s mother coldly sold her to an Antivan Merchant merchant [[spoiler: when Isabela refused to convert to the Qun]], and although they married, it was basically slavery for her. She was his plaything, punished when she misbehaved, forced to [[RapeAsBackstory entertain his friends]], and was completely miserable until Zevran came and assassinated him. After that, she fell in love with someone else, and when the man she loved proposed to her, Isabela fled, triggered by her horrible experiences with her first husband, which broke the guy’s heart. Isabela became afraid of love and relationships because everyone in her life that should have loved her betrayed her, used her for their own selfish gain, and was abusive towards her. How is that not heartbreaking?



*** Merrill even all but concedes to their cold words (not by name but by an acknowledgement of what they've often snapped at her about) by "Merrill, Friend Or Foe?" if you pursue her rivalry path (which is very easy to pursue with [[spoiler:Forbidden Knowledge in Act II, as you can seek out the evil tomes even if you killed Idunna, which will be quest marked (though their locations are not stated) after finding the first one; destroying each one gives a hefty rivalry boost and a final quest point]]), and while some of the dialogue in the midst of pursuing her rivalry can have Hawke genuinely be concerned for her well-being as she grows angrier about his/her potential and likely "betrayal" involving the Eluvian, she becomes more reclusive around him/her as a result. The rivalry branch of her specialization tree really compounds this, as when compared to most of the others' (Fenris' is "agree[ing] to disagree," Isabela's is like a beleaguered husband [her] avoiding his argumentative wife [Hawke], Varric will tell Hawke's story whether he likes it or not, etc.), hers is much more personal: "Accepted nowhere, Merrill has learned that she can depend only on herself."

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*** Merrill even all but concedes to their cold words (not by name but by an acknowledgement of what they've often snapped at her about) by "Merrill, Friend Or Foe?" if you pursue her rivalry path (which is very easy to pursue with [[spoiler:Forbidden Knowledge in Act II, 2, as you can seek out the evil tomes even if you killed Idunna, which will be quest marked (though their locations are not stated) after finding the first one; destroying each one gives a hefty rivalry boost and a final quest point]]), and while some of the dialogue in the midst of pursuing her rivalry can have Hawke genuinely be concerned for her well-being as she grows angrier about his/her potential and likely "betrayal" involving the Eluvian, she becomes more reclusive around him/her as a result. The rivalry branch of her specialization tree really compounds this, as when compared to most of the others' (Fenris' is "agree[ing] to disagree," Isabela's is like a beleaguered husband [her] avoiding his argumentative wife [Hawke], Varric will tell Hawke's story whether he likes it or not, etc.), hers is much more personal: "Accepted nowhere, Merrill has learned that she can depend only on herself."



* At the close of Act II, the Arishok declares open war on Kirkwall in response to their constant provocations. Isabela has what they came for -- the Tome of Koslun -- but flees the city with it before the attack began. If her friendship or rivalry level is high enough, however, she comes back to try to save Hawke from the Arishok. Diplomatic!Hawke seems fairly magnanimous, and Snarky!Hawke seizes the opportunity to wisecrack (as always) but Aggressive!Hawke ''[[EtTuBrute really]]'' [[WeUsedToBeFriends doesn't]] take her abandonment well.

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* At the close of Act II, 2, the Arishok declares open war on Kirkwall in response to their constant provocations. Isabela has what they came for -- the Tome of Koslun -- but flees the city with it before the attack began. If her friendship or rivalry level is high enough, however, she comes back to try to save Hawke from the Arishok. Diplomatic!Hawke seems fairly magnanimous, and Snarky!Hawke seizes the opportunity to wisecrack (as always) but Aggressive!Hawke ''[[EtTuBrute really]]'' [[WeUsedToBeFriends doesn't]] take her abandonment well.



* There's a conversation with Aveline in Act III where she mentions that, according to the Fereldan army, she has been assumed dead for the past seven years, since few survived Ostagar. Her recollection of the battle is heartbreaking, because it recalls that sinking feeling as Loghain withdrew, leaving those who looked at the beacon on top of the Tower of Ishal, expecting salvation, with nothing. She mentions that any officer who returns to Ferelden will be reinstated with honors by King Alistair, but it's clear from both her tone and Hawke's that, were they to return, they would [[StrangerInAFamiliarLand be out of their element, though back home]]. It just shows how much the years in Kirkwall have changed all of them.
* The conclusion of Varric's companion quest in Act II. Choosing to kill [[spoiler:Bartrand]] may not feel like that big a deal at first; after all, [[spoiler:Varric has, by that point, repeatedly expressed a desire to do so, and you as Hawke probably feel much the same way. It also seems like the merciful option, especially if you don't have Anders with you and have no reason to think Bartrand isn't beyond help.]] Then comes the conversation as the party walks away, and [[spoiler:Varric admits it was the hardest thing he's ever had to do. And then, years later in Act III, he tells Fenris not to kill ''his'' sister, saying that it won't make him feel any better, and that he would know.]] The other option isn't much better, and in some ways may be worse, as [[spoiler:sparing Bartrand's life means saddling Varric with the emotional burden of having a sibling who will likely never recover, but on whom he cannot give up hope.]]

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* There's a conversation with Aveline in Act III 3 where she mentions that, according to the Fereldan army, she has been assumed dead for the past seven years, since few survived Ostagar. Her recollection of the battle is heartbreaking, because it recalls that sinking feeling as Loghain withdrew, leaving those who looked at the beacon on top of the Tower of Ishal, expecting salvation, with nothing. She mentions that any officer who returns to Ferelden will be reinstated with honors by King Alistair, but it's clear from both her tone and Hawke's that, were they to return, they would [[StrangerInAFamiliarLand be out of their element, though back home]]. It just shows how much the years in Kirkwall have changed all of them.
* The conclusion of Varric's companion quest in Act II.2. Choosing to kill [[spoiler:Bartrand]] may not feel like that big a deal at first; after all, [[spoiler:Varric has, by that point, repeatedly expressed a desire to do so, and you as Hawke probably feel much the same way. It also seems like the merciful option, especially if you don't have Anders with you and have no reason to think Bartrand isn't beyond help.]] Then comes the conversation as the party walks away, and [[spoiler:Varric admits it was the hardest thing he's ever had to do. And then, years later in Act III, 3, he tells Fenris not to kill ''his'' sister, saying that it won't make him feel any better, and that he would know.]] The other option isn't much better, and in some ways may be worse, as [[spoiler:sparing Bartrand's life means saddling Varric with the emotional burden of having a sibling who will likely never recover, but on whom he cannot give up hope.]]



* Merrill and Fenris have a small conversation about Anders in Act III, and Merrill says she feels sorry for him because he's broken the thing he was trying to save. It's heartbreaking, especially considering how nasty he is to her.
* The last conversation with an Anders who you romanced as a rival [[spoiler: and spared after siding with the Templars]] in the Gallows Courtyard. [[spoiler: He says he wishes Hawke had killed him, says he hates the idea of siding against "his people," i.e. mages, indicates that he wants to die in the final battle or kill himself after, and then tells Hawke he will always love him/her and kisses him/her.]] Generally a horribly tearjerking scene.
* There's a painful party banter in Act III regarding Merrill and Aveline if Aveline [[spoiler: does not marry Donnic and quits being captain of the guard.]] Merrill observes that she's walking away. Aveline protests that it's the best choice, but Merrill says it's only the easy one, and Aveline was always the person who made the hard choices. It was why Merrill liked her. BrokenPedestal indeed, and heartbreaking, in Merrill's normally sweet voice.
* Losing a character can cause personal tear jerkers, or at least melancholy. Not even going into the crueler decisions Hawke is allowed to make (like the above regarding Fenris), or Hawke's sibling(s) dying (also noted above), or having to kill former companions if their rivalries or friendships aren't high enough by Act III, and one can lose Isabela as early as Act II. Most of the rest of the characters have some opinion on the Mage and Templar conflict or types of magic (Anders, Fenris, Merrill all have extensive personal quests in act II and III), Hawke's siblings are already heavily skewed one way or the other, Varric doesn't have a crisis point with Hawke, Sebastian is really only around in act II and III, and Aveline is the earliest companion met outside of Hawke's family (and thus a little ahead of anyone besides the sibling in racking up friendship or rivalry). But if one doesn't give some focus to Isabela one way or the other in Act I as well as II, it's really easy to lose her in comparison, and [[spoiler: it can leave a hollow feeling to know she's off adventuring elsewhere, having left her TrueCompanions of the game behind (since if you don't take them to the Deep Roads without Anders, even Bethany or Carver can come back)]]. It's especially frustrating with low rivalry, since Hawke and Isabela are catty to each other but not to the point of confiding in each other, which is driven home by [[spoiler:the meta kind of acknowledgement that Isabela won't be coming back, like she would have if you had a high friendship or rivalry]].

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* Merrill and Fenris have a small conversation about Anders in Act III, 3, and Merrill says she feels sorry for him because he's broken the thing he was trying to save. It's heartbreaking, especially considering how nasty he is to her.
* The last conversation with an Anders who whom you romanced as a rival [[spoiler: and spared after siding with the Templars]] in the Gallows Courtyard. [[spoiler: He says he wishes Hawke had killed him, says he hates the idea of siding against "his people," i.e. mages, indicates that he wants to die in the final battle or kill himself after, and then tells Hawke he will always love him/her and kisses him/her.]] Generally a horribly tearjerking scene.
* There's a painful party banter in Act III 3 regarding Merrill and Aveline if Aveline [[spoiler: does not marry Donnic and quits being captain of the guard.]] Merrill observes that she's walking away. Aveline protests that it's the best choice, but Merrill says it's only the easy one, and Aveline was always the person who made the hard choices. It was why Merrill liked her. BrokenPedestal indeed, and heartbreaking, in Merrill's normally sweet voice.
* Losing a character can cause personal tear jerkers, or at least melancholy. Not even going into the crueler decisions Hawke is allowed to make (like the above regarding Fenris), or Hawke's sibling(s) dying (also noted above), or having to kill former companions if their rivalries or friendships aren't high enough by Act III, 3, and one can lose Isabela as early as Act II. 2. Most of the rest of the characters have some opinion on the Mage and Templar conflict or types of magic (Anders, Fenris, Merrill all have extensive personal quests in act II Acts 2 and III), 3), Hawke's siblings are already heavily skewed one way or the other, Varric doesn't have a crisis point with Hawke, Sebastian is really only around in act II Acts 2 and III, 3, and Aveline is the earliest companion met outside of Hawke's family (and thus a little ahead of anyone besides the sibling in racking up friendship or rivalry). But if one doesn't give some focus to Isabela one way or the other in Act I 1 as well as II, 2, it's really easy to lose her in comparison, and [[spoiler: it can leave a hollow feeling to know she's off adventuring elsewhere, having left her TrueCompanions of the game behind (since if you don't take them to the Deep Roads without Anders, even Bethany or Carver can come back)]]. It's especially frustrating with low rivalry, since Hawke and Isabela are catty to each other but not to the point of confiding in each other, which is driven home by [[spoiler:the meta kind of acknowledgement that Isabela won't be coming back, like she would have if you had a high friendship or rivalry]].



* The end of ''Legacy,'' provided it was finished in Act III or near the end of Act II. Hawke's conversation with [[spoiler: the imaginary Leandra]] resonates with anyone whose ever lost an important loved one.

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* The end of ''Legacy,'' provided it was finished in Act III 3 or near the end of Act II.2. Hawke's conversation with [[spoiler: the imaginary Leandra]] resonates with anyone whose ever lost an important loved one.



* [[spoiler:Larius' or Janeka]]'s fates at the end of Legacy. [[spoiler:The former has been a ghoul desperately fighting Corypheus' influence for decades after his Calling, and the latter is a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks she could potentially stop all future [[TheCorruption Blights]] by taking control of Corypheus]]. No matter what you do, [[spoiler:one is killed by the other]] and [[spoiler:Corypheus ends up possessing the survivor of the final battle]].

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* [[spoiler:Larius' or Janeka]]'s fates at the end of Legacy. [[spoiler:The former has been a ghoul desperately fighting Corypheus' Corypheus's influence for decades after his Calling, and the latter is a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks she could potentially stop all future [[TheCorruption Blights]] by taking control of Corypheus]]. No matter what you do, [[spoiler:one is killed by the other]] and [[spoiler:Corypheus ends up possessing the survivor of the final battle]].
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** For bonus tears, if it's Bethany? [[spoiler:Listen to Varric. The man is ''devastated.'' Major voice acting props to Creator/BrianBloom, because if Hawke's own broken heart doesn't move the player to tears, Varric's ''will.'' "Oh, Sunshine," indeed.]]
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** And to make matters worse, it's revealed in Dragon Age Inquistion that [[spoiler:there is a way to cure the Tranquils]].

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** And to make matters worse, it's revealed in Dragon Age Inquistion ''Inquisition'' that [[spoiler:there is a way to cure the Tranquils]].Tranquility]].



** [[TheMourningAfter Along the]] [[HeartbrokenBadass same lines]], you can run into Zevran in act three. If he loved and lost the Warden in an imported save, he turns down Isabela's offer of sex, saying the wounds are too fresh - even though it's been seven years at this point.

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** [[TheMourningAfter Along the]] [[HeartbrokenBadass same lines]], you can run into Zevran in act three. If he loved and lost the Warden in an imported save, he turns down Isabela's offer of sex, saying the wounds are too fresh - even though it's been seven ''seven'' years at this point.



* [[spoiler: The death of Aveline's husband]] in the prologue. The player must choose [[spoiler: whether to make Aveline perform a mercy kill, to have Hawke do it, or let the clearly distraught Aveline decide.]] None of the answers are right, and all heartbreaking to see.

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* [[spoiler: The death of Aveline's husband]] in the prologue. The player must choose [[spoiler: whether to make Aveline perform a mercy kill, to have Hawke do it, or let the clearly distraught Aveline decide.]] None of the answers are right, and all are heartbreaking to see.



* The ending, if you stop and think about it. [[spoiler: Hawke loses one of his/her siblings at the beginning of the game, and then loses the other either to the taint, the Grey Wardens, the Templars, or the Circle. His/her mother gets murdered in a gruesome manner by a completely ''insane'' serial killer. He/she cannot save the Viscount of Kirkwall, who is murdered by the Arishok. He/she is unable to stop the fighting between Meredith and Orsino, which leads to mage-templar relations dropping to an all-time low. He/she is duped by Anders' plot and made an (unwitting) accomplice in an act of terrorism that leads to war. He/she is forced to flee Kirkwall, abandoning the city that he/she worked so hard to try to save. His/her friends eventually [[TheFellowshipHasEnded go their separate ways]], still friends but no longer united. At ''best,'' Hawke is able to find some happiness with a romanced partner (if you went that route), but they are forced to separate as Hawke goes on the run. The poor guy/girl cannot catch a break. And, as if [[CosmicPlaything the world didn't hate him/her enough]], it is possible for Hawke to die in the Fade during ''Inquisition''.]]
** [[spoiler: Though if Hawke lives in ''Inquisition'', in the ''Trespasser'' DLC he returns to Kirkwall to work together with Varric, who was elected Viscount.]]

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* The ending, if you stop and think about it. [[spoiler: Hawke loses one of his/her siblings at the beginning of the game, and then loses the other either to the taint, the Grey Wardens, the Templars, or the Circle. His/her mother gets murdered in a gruesome manner by a completely ''insane'' serial killer. He/she cannot save the Viscount of Kirkwall, who is murdered by the Arishok. He/she is unable to stop the fighting between Meredith and Orsino, which leads to mage-templar mage-Templar relations dropping to an all-time low. He/she S/he is duped by Anders' plot and made an (unwitting) accomplice in an act of terrorism that leads to war. He/she is forced to flee Kirkwall, abandoning the city that he/she worked so hard to try to save. His/her friends eventually [[TheFellowshipHasEnded go their separate ways]], still friends but no longer united. At ''best,'' Hawke is able to find some happiness with a romanced partner (if you went that route), but they are forced to separate as Hawke goes who is the only one accompanying him/her on the run.run after the end of the game. The poor guy/girl cannot catch a break. And, as if [[CosmicPlaything the world didn't hate him/her enough]], it is possible for Hawke to die in the Fade during ''Inquisition''.]]
** [[spoiler: Though if Hawke lives in ''Inquisition'', in the ''Trespasser'' DLC he s/he returns to Kirkwall to work together with Varric, who was elected Viscount.]]



* Merrill's final personal quest is just horrible. To elaborate, after years of build up after she obtains the necessary tools [[spoiler: to reconstruct the Eluvian and possibly unlock hidden secrets about her culture, she finds that in order to truly complete it, she must first contact the demon who gave her access to blood magic in the first place.]] After a long trek back up to Sundermount, you finally approach the cave where [[spoiler: Merrill made her blood pact with the demon, only to find that Keeper Marethari has not only beaten you there, but revealed that she has [[HeroicSacrifice allowed the demon to possess her in order to prevent it from taking Merrill]]. You must then go through a lengthy battle with the Pride abomination that Merrill's mentor and adoptive mother has become (as an added kick to the gut, mid-way through the battle the abomination will take the form of Marethari and attempt to fool you into thinking you've won and she's regained consciousness, only to stab Merrill in the stomach as she tries to hug her and then continue fighting once more), and, after losing her only hope of restoring her culture as well as her Keeper, you head out the cave.]] But wait, there's more! A group of hunters who will be waiting outside the cave will now question you as to what happened, the best case scenario involves [[spoiler: Merrill being completely abandoned by her clan, and, as word spreads, all other Dalish clans that she may ever meet,]] the worst case scenario involves [[spoiler: slaughtering the hunters as well as every other member of her clan.]] To wrap things up, if you've chosen not to romance Merrill, [[spoiler: the epilogue states that all of Hawke's companions eventually split apart, and for Merrill, this means that she will now have to travel the world alone, hunted by the Chantry for being an apostate and a blood mage, and rejected by her people for causing the death of her Keeper and potentially the rest of her clan.]]
** This is also not mentioning the [[SarcasmMode sweet and comforting comments]] that Anders and Fenris have for her, such as "... the world is a poorer place with you left in it"[[note]]Fenris will say, "For once, I agree with you." if he's present[[/note]] and [[spoiler: "I'm not sorry she's dead. I'm only sorry she died for you."]]
*** To be fair, Fenris follows that up with [[spoiler:"Let's hope the sacrifice of someone who cared for you that much isn't wasted." Which makes sense, really. He doesn't hate the Keeper, even though she was a mage too, because she was strong enough to sacrifice herself to protect someone from dangerous magic. He's basically saying he hopes Merrill can become like her.]]

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* Merrill's final personal quest is just horrible. To elaborate, after years of build up after she obtains the necessary tools [[spoiler: to reconstruct the Eluvian and possibly unlock hidden secrets about her culture, she finds that in order to truly complete it, she must first contact the demon who gave her access to blood magic in the first place.]] After a long trek back up to Sundermount, you finally approach the cave where [[spoiler: Merrill made her blood pact with the demon, only to find that Keeper Marethari has not only beaten you there, but revealed that she has [[HeroicSacrifice allowed the demon to possess her in order to prevent it from taking Merrill]]. You must then go through a lengthy battle with the Pride abomination that Merrill's mentor and adoptive mother has become (as an added kick to the gut, mid-way through the battle the abomination will take the form of Marethari and attempt to fool you into thinking you've won and she's regained consciousness, only to stab Merrill in the stomach as she tries to hug her and then continue fighting once more), and, after losing her only hope of restoring her culture as well as her Keeper, you head out the cave.]] But wait, there's more! A group of hunters who will be waiting outside the cave will now question you as to what happened, the happened. The best case scenario involves [[spoiler: Merrill being completely abandoned by her clan, and, as word spreads, all other Dalish clans that she may ever meet,]] the meet.]] The worst case scenario involves [[spoiler: slaughtering the hunters as well as every other member of her clan.]] To wrap things up, if you've chosen not to romance Merrill, [[spoiler: the epilogue states that all of Hawke's companions eventually split apart, and for Merrill, this means that she will now have to travel the world alone, hunted by the Chantry for being an apostate and a blood mage, and rejected by her people for causing the death of her Keeper and potentially the rest of her clan.]]
** This is also not mentioning the [[SarcasmMode sweet and comforting comments]] that Anders and Fenris have for her, such as "... the world is a poorer place with you left in it"[[note]]Fenris will say, "For once, I agree with you." if he's present[[/note]] and [[spoiler: "I'm not sorry she's dead. I'm only sorry she died for you."]]
*** To be fair, Fenris follows that up with [[spoiler:"Let's hope the sacrifice of someone who cared for you that much isn't wasted." Which This makes sense, really. He doesn't hate the Keeper, even though she was a mage too, because she was strong enough to sacrifice herself to protect someone from dangerous magic. He's basically saying he hopes Merrill can become like her.]]



*** Merrill even all but concedes to their cold words (not by name but by an acknowledgement of what they've often snapped at her about) by "Merrill, Friend Or Foe?" if you pursue her rivalry path (which is very easy to pursue with [[spoiler:Forbidden Knowledge in Act II, as you can seek out the evil tomes even if you killed Idunna, which will be quest markered (though their locations are not stated) after finding the first one; destroying each one gives a hefty rivalry boost and a final quest point]]), and while some of the dialogue in the midst of pursuing her rivalry can have Hawke genuinely be concerned for her well-being as she grows angrier about his/her potential and likely "betrayal" involving the Eluvian, she becomes more reclusive around him/her as a result. The rivalry branch of her specialization tree really compounds this, as when compared to most of the others' (Fenris' is "agree[ing] to disagree," Isabela's is like a beleaguered husband [her] avoiding his argumentative wife [Hawke], Varric will tell Hawke's story whether he likes it or not, etc.), hers is much more personal: "Accepted nowhere, Merrill has learned that she can depend only on herself."

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*** Merrill even all but concedes to their cold words (not by name but by an acknowledgement of what they've often snapped at her about) by "Merrill, Friend Or Foe?" if you pursue her rivalry path (which is very easy to pursue with [[spoiler:Forbidden Knowledge in Act II, as you can seek out the evil tomes even if you killed Idunna, which will be quest markered marked (though their locations are not stated) after finding the first one; destroying each one gives a hefty rivalry boost and a final quest point]]), and while some of the dialogue in the midst of pursuing her rivalry can have Hawke genuinely be concerned for her well-being as she grows angrier about his/her potential and likely "betrayal" involving the Eluvian, she becomes more reclusive around him/her as a result. The rivalry branch of her specialization tree really compounds this, as when compared to most of the others' (Fenris' is "agree[ing] to disagree," Isabela's is like a beleaguered husband [her] avoiding his argumentative wife [Hawke], Varric will tell Hawke's story whether he likes it or not, etc.), hers is much more personal: "Accepted nowhere, Merrill has learned that she can depend only on herself."



** Bethany sounds like she's sobbing while begging Hawke to get up. Both Bethany and Carver's reactions are especially harsh when you realize that they have already lost one sibling and are faced with the prospect of losing the other.

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** Bethany sounds like she's sobbing while begging Hawke to get up. Both Bethany and Carver's reactions are especially harsh when you realize remember that they have already lost one sibling and are faced with the prospect of losing the other.
20th Jan '17 12:36:14 PM LadyNorbert
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* [[spoiler:Larius' or Janeka]]'s fates at the end of Legacy. [[spoiler:The former has been a ghoul desperately fighting Corypheus' influence for decades after his Calling, and the latter is a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks she could potentially stop all future [[TheBlight Blights]] by taking control of Corypheus]]. No matter what you do, [[spoiler:one is killed by the other]] and [[spoiler:Corypheus ends up possessing the survivor of the final battle]].

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* [[spoiler:Larius' or Janeka]]'s fates at the end of Legacy. [[spoiler:The former has been a ghoul desperately fighting Corypheus' influence for decades after his Calling, and the latter is a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks she could potentially stop all future [[TheBlight [[TheCorruption Blights]] by taking control of Corypheus]]. No matter what you do, [[spoiler:one is killed by the other]] and [[spoiler:Corypheus ends up possessing the survivor of the final battle]].
8th Nov '16 8:51:14 AM Imjustme
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* Most possible endings to the [[spoiler: Anders]] romance arc. [[spoiler: The tragedy starts from his personal quest in Act II, "Dissent." Vengeance seizes control of him towards the end. If Hawke doesn't talk him down, Anders will kill an innocent mage. Even if he spares the girl, he's still filled with doubts. Enter the romance. Anders seems to perk up. He believes Hawke is his anchor...until Act III rolls around. At the beginning, Anders claims to want to rid himself of Vengeance. He asks for Hawke's help in doing so. Witness Anders trying to get rid of his personal belongings. Witness him putting distance between himself and Hawke. Witness him blowing up the Chantry with innocents still inside so he can send a message about oppression. He also used Hawke to unwittingly help him, which could easily be seen as a personal betrayal. At this point, Hawke has a tough decision: Keep him around knowing he betrayed them, send him away, or kill him outright. Worse, he won't even really fight this. He believes his life is forfeit. His face and Hawke's after the Chantry blows up makes it abundantly clear he's not fully comfortable with what he's done. It's such a change from the light, flirty Anders in ''Awakening'', it seems even sadder in comparison.]]

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* Most possible endings to the [[spoiler: Anders]] romance arc. [[spoiler: The tragedy starts from his personal quest in Act II, "Dissent." Vengeance Justice seizes control of him towards the end. If Hawke doesn't talk him down, Anders will kill an innocent mage. Even if he spares the girl, he's still filled with doubts. Enter the romance. Anders seems to perk up. He believes Hawke is his anchor...until Act III rolls around. At the beginning, Anders claims to want to rid himself of Vengeance.Justice. He asks for Hawke's help in doing so. Witness Anders trying to get rid of his personal belongings. Witness him putting distance between himself and Hawke. Witness him blowing up the Chantry with innocents still inside so he can send a message about oppression. He also used Hawke to unwittingly help him, which could easily be seen as a personal betrayal. At this point, Hawke has a tough decision: Keep him around knowing he betrayed them, send him away, or kill him outright. Worse, he won't even really fight this. He believes his life is forfeit. His face and Hawke's after the Chantry blows up makes it abundantly clear he's not fully comfortable with what he's done. He just felt it had to be to save his people. It's such a change from the light, flirty Anders in ''Awakening'', it seems even sadder in comparison.]]



** [[spoiler: Anders's]] whole character arc is a huge tearjerker in itself - watching him descend from [[spoiler: sweet but snarky charmer]] to [[spoiler:compassionate healer fighting against his dark side to paranoid murderer as Vengeance corrupts him]] is just heartbreaking. In Acts I and II, he knows he's slowly descending into evil, he knows he's a danger to himself and others around him, and in Act II he even [[spoiler:turns away from the mage underground and seems to gain some control over himself after the incident with Ella - but between Acts II and III Vengeance reasserts itself and Anders gives in to his (literal) demons. His eventual betrayal, and seeing the once heroic Healer of Darktown kill innocent people, hurts a lot.]]

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** [[spoiler: Anders's]] whole character arc is a huge tearjerker in itself - watching him descend from [[spoiler: sweet but snarky charmer]] to [[spoiler:compassionate healer fighting against his dark side to paranoid murderer as Vengeance corrupts him]] his situation with murderous Templars and an impatient Justice slowly grinds his mental state down]] is just heartbreaking. In Acts I and II, he knows he's slowly descending into evil, what's happening to him, he knows he's a danger to himself and others around him, and in Act II he even [[spoiler:turns away from the mage underground and seems to gain some control over himself after the incident with Ella - but between Acts II and III Vengeance Justice reasserts itself and Anders fully gives in to his (literal) demons. their cause. His eventual betrayal, and seeing the once heroic Healer of Darktown kill innocent people, despite the good intentions, hurts a lot.]]
22nd Jul '16 12:45:06 AM OnTheHillside
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** Hearing the growing fear and desperation in [[spoiler:Hawke]]'s voice as they're following the blood trail, especially if [[spoiler:Hawke is normally a DeadpanSnarker]]. Normally, the only guy who gets to play with my heartstrings like that is Creator/JossWhedon.

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** Hearing the growing fear and desperation in [[spoiler:Hawke]]'s voice as they're following the blood trail, especially if [[spoiler:Hawke is normally a DeadpanSnarker]]. Normally, the only guy who gets to play with my heartstrings like that is Creator/JossWhedon.
28th Jun '16 4:36:41 AM Wilderstorm
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** The way his voice wavers is heartbreaking. Another flawlessly delivered scene from GideonEmery.
-->'''Fenris''': I've never remembered anything from before the ritual. To have it all come back in a rush, only to lose it... I can't. I ''can't''.
-->'''Hawke, desperately''': We can work through this.

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** The way his voice wavers before settling into defeat is heartbreaking. Another flawlessly delivered scene from GideonEmery.
scene, made all the more devastating by the fear growing in ''Hawke's'' voice as s/he realizes what is happening.
-->'''Fenris''': I've never remembered anything from before the ritual.anything. To have it all come back in a rush, only to lose it... I can't. I ''can't''.
-->'''Hawke, desperately''':
can't.
-->'''Hawke''':
We can work through this.
27th Jun '16 11:18:11 AM Wilderstorm
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-->'''Fenris''': All I wanted was to be happy... just for a little while. Forgive me.

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-->'''Hawke, desperately''': We can work through this.
-->'''Fenris''': I'm sorry. I feel like such a fool. All I wanted was to be happy... just for a little while. Forgive me.
27th Jun '16 11:16:28 AM Wilderstorm
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** The way his voice wavers is heartbreaking. Another flawlessly delivered scene from GideonEmery.
-->'''Fenris''': I've never remembered anything from before the ritual. To have it all come back in a rush, only to lose it... I can't. I ''can't''.
-->'''Fenris''': All I wanted was to be happy... just for a little while. Forgive me.
19th Jun '16 2:37:18 AM Koveras
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* During the Templar endgame, just before [[spoiler:Orsino transforms himself into a Harvester]], he tells Hawke and Meredith of the irony that he has never actually used blood magic in his entire previous life. The way he says this, however, with a mix of resentment and resignation of someone given no choice but to live up to entirely false accusations in his voice is utterly heartbreaking.

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* During the Templar endgame, just before [[spoiler:Orsino transforms himself into a Harvester]], he tells Hawke and Meredith of the irony that he has never actually used blood magic in his entire previous life. life before. The way he says this, however, with a bitter mix of resentment and resignation of someone given no choice but to live up to entirely false accusations in his voice is utterly heartbreaking.
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