History TearJerker / DragonAgeII

9th Sep '17 10:13:11 PM LadyNorbert
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* [[spoiler: The death of Aveline's husband]] in the prologue. The player must choose [[spoiler: whether to make Aveline perform a mercy kill, to have Hawke do it, or let the clearly distraught Aveline decide.]] None of the answers are right, and all are heartbreaking to see.

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* [[spoiler: The death of Aveline's husband]] in ** It's also worth noting that the prologue. The player must choose [[spoiler: whether to make Aveline perform a mercy kill, to have Hawke do it, or let the clearly distraught Aveline decide.]] None of the answers are right, and all are heartbreaking to see.



* This game truly drives home the horror of the Tranquil. [[spoiler:Anders attempts to rescue another mage named Karl only to realize that Karl had been made Tranquil and the Templars had been waiting for him. After Vengeance seizes control of Anders briefly, the disturbance in the Veil allows Karl to temporarily regain his emotions, in which he begs Anders to kill him before he forgets what feeling emotions is like. Even worse is that Karl lapses back into Tranquility.]]

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* This game truly drives home the horror of the Tranquil. [[spoiler:Anders attempts to rescue another mage named Karl only to realize that Karl had been made Tranquil and the Templars had been waiting for him. After Vengeance seizes control of Anders briefly, the disturbance in the Veil allows Karl to temporarily regain his emotions, in which he begs Anders to kill him before he forgets what feeling emotions is like. Even worse is that Karl then lapses back into Tranquility.]]



* Ghyslain de Carrac's tale. He's the initial questgiver for the SerialKiller plotline. At first, he seems like he's just some chauvinistic douche who wants his wife to be dragged home. However, by the end of the quest, it's obvious that he has genuine regrets about his marital problems with Ninette. [[spoiler: The somber tone in his voice when you give him Ninette's ring really makes it hard to not feel a little bad for the guy, especially if the player themselves has had relationship problems.]]

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* Ghyslain de Carrac's tale. He's the initial questgiver quest giver for the SerialKiller plotline. At first, he seems like he's just some chauvinistic douche who wants his wife to be dragged home. However, by the end of the quest, it's obvious that he has genuine regrets about his marital problems with Ninette. [[spoiler: The somber tone in his voice when you give him Ninette's ring really makes it hard to not feel a little bad for the guy, especially if the player themselves has had relationship problems.]]



* [[spoiler: After Leandra's death, clicking on her door has Hawke mention they simply ''refuse'' to touch anything in [[ShrineToTheFallen the room]]. The DLC includes such small things as Hawke throwing coins into the fountain in ''Mark of the Assassin'' because it was a tradition Leandra enjoyed, as well as their DeadPersonConversation in ''Legacy''. All of this paints a very tragic picture that Hawke ''never'' quite gets over their mother's death and ''still'' carries it around with them as [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure]].]]

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* ** [[spoiler: After Leandra's death, clicking on her door has Hawke mention they simply ''refuse'' to touch anything in [[ShrineToTheFallen the room]]. The DLC includes such small things as Hawke throwing coins into the fountain in ''Mark of the Assassin'' because it was a tradition Leandra enjoyed, as well as their DeadPersonConversation in ''Legacy''. All of this paints a very tragic picture that Hawke ''never'' quite gets over their mother's death and ''still'' carries it around with them as [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure]].]]
1st Aug '17 4:18:52 AM yin_13147
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* Ghyslain de Carrac's tale. He's the initial questgiver for the SerialKiller plotline in Act 1. At first, he seems like he's just some chauvinistic douche who wants his wife to be dragged home. However, by the end of the quest, it's obvious that he has genuine regrets about his marital problems with Ninette. [[spoiler: The somber tone in his voice when you give him Ninette's ring really makes it hard to not feel a little bad for the guy, especially if the player themselves has had relationship problems.]]

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* Ghyslain de Carrac's tale. He's the initial questgiver for the SerialKiller plotline in Act 1.plotline. At first, he seems like he's just some chauvinistic douche who wants his wife to be dragged home. However, by the end of the quest, it's obvious that he has genuine regrets about his marital problems with Ninette. [[spoiler: The somber tone in his voice when you give him Ninette's ring really makes it hard to not feel a little bad for the guy, especially if the player themselves has had relationship problems.]]



* Another small moment is when Feynriel sends you a letter at the beginning of Act 2. If sent to the Dalish, he remarks on his loneliness among the elves. Things are bad enough for Feynriel that the only person he feels he can confide in is basically a stranger whom he encountered briefly a few years ago, albeit one who had a huge impact in his life.

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* Another small moment is when Feynriel sends you a letter at the beginning of Act 2.the act. If sent to the Dalish, he remarks on his loneliness among the elves. Things are bad enough for Feynriel that the only person he feels he can confide in is basically a stranger whom he encountered briefly a few years ago, albeit one who had a huge impact in his life.



** [[TheMourningAfter Along the]] [[HeartbrokenBadass same lines]], you can run into Zevran in act three. If he loved and lost the Warden in an imported save, he turns down Isabela's offer of sex, saying the wounds are too fresh - even though it's been ''seven'' years at this point.

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** [[TheMourningAfter Along the]] [[HeartbrokenBadass same lines]], you can run into Zevran in act three. Act 3. If he loved and lost the Warden in an imported save, he turns down Isabela's offer of sex, saying the wounds are too fresh - -- even though it's been ''seven'' years at this point.



* Losing a character can cause personal tearjerkers, or at least melancholy. Not even going into the crueler decisions Hawke is allowed to make (regarding Fenris, for example), or Hawke's sibling(s) dying, or having to kill former companions if their rivalries or friendships aren't high enough by Act 3--one can lose Isabela as early as Act 2. Most of the rest of the characters have some opinion on the Mage and Templar conflict or types of magic (Anders, Fenris, Merrill all have extensive personal quests in Acts 2 and 3), Hawke's siblings are already heavily skewed one way or the other, Varric doesn't have a crisis point with Hawke, Sebastian is really only around in Acts 2 and 3, and Aveline is the earliest companion met outside of Hawke's family (and thus a little ahead of anyone besides the sibling in racking up friendship or rivalry). But if one doesn't give some focus to Isabela one way or the other in Act 1 as well as 2, it's really easy to lose her in comparison, and [[spoiler: it can leave a hollow feeling to know she's off adventuring elsewhere, having left her TrueCompanions of the game behind (since if you don't take them to the Deep Roads without Anders, even Bethany or Carver can come back)]]. It's especially frustrating with low rivalry, since Hawke and Isabela are catty to each other but not to the point of confiding in each other, which is driven home by [[spoiler:the meta kind of acknowledgement that Isabela won't be coming back, like she would have if you had a high friendship or rivalry]].

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* Losing a character can cause personal tearjerkers, or at least melancholy. Not even going into the crueler decisions Hawke is allowed to make (regarding Fenris, for example), or Hawke's sibling(s) dying, or having to kill former companions if their rivalries or friendships aren't high enough by Act 3--one 3 -- one can lose Isabela as early as Act 2. Most of the rest of the characters have some opinion on the Mage and Templar conflict or types of magic (Anders, Fenris, Merrill all have extensive personal quests in Acts 2 and 3), Hawke's siblings are already heavily skewed one way or the other, Varric doesn't have a crisis point with Hawke, Sebastian is really only around in Acts 2 and 3, and Aveline is the earliest companion met outside of Hawke's family (and thus a little ahead of anyone besides the sibling in racking up friendship or rivalry). But if one doesn't give some focus to Isabela one way or the other in Act 1 as well as 2, it's really easy to lose her in comparison, and [[spoiler: it can leave a hollow feeling to know she's off adventuring elsewhere, having left her TrueCompanions of the game behind (since if you don't take them to the Deep Roads without Anders, even Bethany or Carver can come back)]]. It's especially frustrating with low rivalry, since Hawke and Isabela are catty to each other but not to the point of confiding in each other, which is driven home by [[spoiler:the meta kind of acknowledgement that Isabela won't be coming back, like she would have if you had a high friendship or rivalry]].



* Most possible endings to the [[spoiler: Anders]] romance arc. [[spoiler: The tragedy starts from his personal quest in Act 2, "Dissent." Justice seizes control of him towards the end. If Hawke doesn't talk him down, Anders will kill an innocent mage. Even if he spares the girl, he's still filled with doubts. Enter the romance. Anders seems to perk up. He believes Hawke is his anchor...until Act 3 rolls around. At the beginning, Anders claims to want to rid himself of Justice. He asks for Hawke's help in doing so. Witness Anders trying to get rid of his personal belongings. Witness him putting distance between himself and Hawke. Witness him blowing up the Chantry with innocents still inside so he can send a message about oppression. He also used Hawke to unwittingly help him, which could easily be seen as a personal betrayal. At this point, Hawke has a tough decision: Keep him around knowing he betrayed them, send him away, or kill him outright. Worse, he won't even really fight this. He believes his life is forfeit. His face and Hawke's after the Chantry blows up makes it abundantly clear he's not fully comfortable with what he's done. He just felt it had to be to save his people. It's such a change from the light, flirty Anders in ''Awakening'', it seems even sadder in comparison.]]

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* Most possible endings to the [[spoiler: Anders]] romance arc. [[spoiler: The tragedy starts from his personal quest in Act 2, "Dissent." Justice seizes control of him towards the end. If Hawke doesn't talk him down, Anders will kill an innocent mage. Even if he spares the girl, he's still filled with doubts. Enter the romance. Anders seems to perk up. He believes Hawke is his anchor... until Act 3 rolls around. At the beginning, Anders claims to want to rid himself of Justice. He asks for Hawke's help in doing so. Witness Anders trying to get rid of his personal belongings. Witness him putting distance between himself and Hawke. Witness him blowing up the Chantry with innocents still inside so he can send a message about oppression. He also used Hawke to unwittingly help him, which could easily be seen as a personal betrayal. At this point, Hawke has a tough decision: Keep him around knowing he betrayed them, send him away, or kill him outright. Worse, he won't even really fight this. He believes his life is forfeit. His face and Hawke's after the Chantry blows up makes it abundantly clear he's not fully comfortable with what he's done. He just felt it had to be to save his people. It's such a change from the light, flirty Anders in ''Awakening'', it seems even sadder in comparison.]]
25th Jul '17 1:40:56 PM perona
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* Losing a character can cause personal tearjerkers, or at least melancholy. Not even going into the crueler decisions Hawke is allowed to make (like the above regarding Fenris), or Hawke's sibling(s) dying (also noted above), or having to kill former companions if their rivalries or friendships aren't high enough by Act 3, and one can lose Isabela as early as Act 2. Most of the rest of the characters have some opinion on the Mage and Templar conflict or types of magic (Anders, Fenris, Merrill all have extensive personal quests in Acts 2 and 3), Hawke's siblings are already heavily skewed one way or the other, Varric doesn't have a crisis point with Hawke, Sebastian is really only around in Acts 2 and 3, and Aveline is the earliest companion met outside of Hawke's family (and thus a little ahead of anyone besides the sibling in racking up friendship or rivalry). But if one doesn't give some focus to Isabela one way or the other in Act 1 as well as 2, it's really easy to lose her in comparison, and [[spoiler: it can leave a hollow feeling to know she's off adventuring elsewhere, having left her TrueCompanions of the game behind (since if you don't take them to the Deep Roads without Anders, even Bethany or Carver can come back)]]. It's especially frustrating with low rivalry, since Hawke and Isabela are catty to each other but not to the point of confiding in each other, which is driven home by [[spoiler:the meta kind of acknowledgement that Isabela won't be coming back, like she would have if you had a high friendship or rivalry]].

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* Losing a character can cause personal tearjerkers, or at least melancholy. Not even going into the crueler decisions Hawke is allowed to make (like the above regarding Fenris), (regarding Fenris, for example), or Hawke's sibling(s) dying (also noted above), dying, or having to kill former companions if their rivalries or friendships aren't high enough by Act 3, and one 3--one can lose Isabela as early as Act 2. Most of the rest of the characters have some opinion on the Mage and Templar conflict or types of magic (Anders, Fenris, Merrill all have extensive personal quests in Acts 2 and 3), Hawke's siblings are already heavily skewed one way or the other, Varric doesn't have a crisis point with Hawke, Sebastian is really only around in Acts 2 and 3, and Aveline is the earliest companion met outside of Hawke's family (and thus a little ahead of anyone besides the sibling in racking up friendship or rivalry). But if one doesn't give some focus to Isabela one way or the other in Act 1 as well as 2, it's really easy to lose her in comparison, and [[spoiler: it can leave a hollow feeling to know she's off adventuring elsewhere, having left her TrueCompanions of the game behind (since if you don't take them to the Deep Roads without Anders, even Bethany or Carver can come back)]]. It's especially frustrating with low rivalry, since Hawke and Isabela are catty to each other but not to the point of confiding in each other, which is driven home by [[spoiler:the meta kind of acknowledgement that Isabela won't be coming back, like she would have if you had a high friendship or rivalry]].
24th Jul '17 10:24:39 AM Athanasia94
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** This hits especially hard if one remembers how excited Bethany was about reclaiming the Amell estate, only to never get a chance to actually live there.
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* The conclusion of Varric's companion quest in Act 2. Choosing to kill [[spoiler:Bartrand]] may not feel like that big a deal at first; after all, [[spoiler:Varric has, by that point, repeatedly expressed a desire to do so, and you as Hawke probably feel much the same way. It also seems like the merciful option, especially if you don't have Anders with you and have no reason to think Bartrand isn't beyond help.]] Then comes the conversation as the party walks away, and [[spoiler:Varric admits it was the hardest thing he's ever had to do. And then, years later in Act 3, he tells Fenris not to kill ''his'' sister, saying that it won't make him feel any better, and that he would know.]] The other option isn't much better, and in some ways may be worse, as [[spoiler:sparing Bartrand's life means saddling Varric with the emotional burden of having a sibling who will likely never recover, but on whom he cannot give up hope.]]



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* The conclusion of Varric's companion quest in Act 2. Choosing to kill [[spoiler:Bartrand]] may not feel like that big a deal at first; after all, [[spoiler:Varric has, by that point, repeatedly expressed a desire to do so, and you as Hawke probably feel much the same way. It also seems like the merciful option, especially if you don't have Anders with you and have no reason to think Bartrand isn't beyond help.]] Then comes the conversation as the party walks away, and [[spoiler:Varric admits it was the hardest thing he's ever had to do. And then, years later in Act 3, he tells Fenris not to kill ''his'' sister, saying that it won't make him feel any better, and that he would know.]] The other option isn't much better, and in some ways may be worse, as [[spoiler:sparing Bartrand's life means saddling Varric with the emotional burden of having a sibling who will likely never recover, but on whom he cannot give up hope.]]

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* In one conversation, Merrill sighs and asks why Isabela even likes her because her life's so boring in comparison to Isabela's adventure-filled life. Isabela replies that she hopes Merrill never ends up like her because Merrill is a good person and deserves better. It's just really tender how Bela's VA delivers those lines.

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* In one conversation, Merrill sighs and asks why Isabela even likes her because her life's so boring in comparison to Isabela's adventure-filled life. Isabela replies that she hopes Merrill never ends up like her because Merrill is a good person and deserves better. It's just really tender how Bela's VA delivers those lines.


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* In one conversation, Merrill sighs and asks why Isabela even likes her because her life's so boring in comparison to Isabela's adventure-filled life. Isabela replies that she hopes Merrill never ends up like her because Merrill is a good person and deserves better. It's just really tender how Bela's VA delivers those lines.
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