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---->'''John''': Look what you've done! (''Voice cracking'') [[FalseFriend You were supposed to be my friend]]!

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---->'''John''': [[WhatTheHellHero Look what you've done! done]]! (''Voice cracking'') [[FalseFriend You were supposed to be my friend]]!
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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman made things worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]]

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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Batman made things worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]]
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* Depending on your choices [[spoiler: if Tiffany knows Bruce is Batman, she begins work on updating some of Batman's tech. Her first design is for an ''assault rifle''. One of Bruce's reactions is to all but recoil in horror stating he ''hates'' guns after what happened to his parents. Tiffany quickly apologizes and asks Bruce if he's ever thought about using one in his work as Batman. Bruce can respond that if he ever started down that path, he'd never come back.]]

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* Depending on your choices [[spoiler: if Tiffany knows Bruce is Batman, she begins work on updating some of Batman's tech. Her first design is for an ''assault rifle''. One of Bruce's reactions is to all but recoil in horror stating he ''hates'' guns after what happened to his parents. Tiffany quickly apologizes and asks Bruce if he's ever thought about using one in his work as Batman. Bruce can respond that if he ever started down that path, [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope he'd never come back.back]].]]
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*** Even worse if Bruce [[spoiler: agrees with Walker in thinking that he'll betray them]].

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*** Even worse if Bruce [[spoiler: agrees with Walker in thinking that he'll betray them]].them]] putting John on the path to Villainy instead.

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** Likewise, the Vigilante Ending for the episode has [[spoiler: John betray Harley while sadly commenting that "Bruce showed me how to be good, Harley. In a way you never could." That Waller ''immediately'' fucks things up makes it that much worse.]]

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** Likewise, the Vigilante Ending for the episode has [[spoiler: John betray Harley while sadly commenting that "Bruce showed me how to be good, Harley. In a way you never could." [[HopeSpot That Waller ''immediately'' immediately fucks things up up]] makes it [[AllForNothing that much worse.]]worse]].]]
*** Even worse if Bruce [[spoiler: agrees with Walker in thinking that he'll betray them]].
---->'''John''': Look what you've done! (''Voice cracking'') [[FalseFriend You were supposed to be my friend]]!
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** Likewise, the Vigilante Ending for the episode has [[spoiler: John betray Harley while sadly commenting that "Bruce showed me how to be good, Harley. In a way you never could." That Waller ''immediately'' fucks things up makes it that much worse.]]
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** Of particular note is the [[spoiler: get-well-soon card he gives Bruce at the funeral, in what seems to be a genuine effort to cheer the man up. If Bruce reacts with offense or takes the relatively gentler option of telling John that those kind of cards aren't given at funerals, John takes the card back and crumbles it up, his disappointment and [[NoSocialSkills frustration with his social skills all too evident.]]]]

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** Of particular note is the [[spoiler: get-well-soon card he gives Bruce at the funeral, in what seems to be a genuine effort to cheer the man up. If Bruce reacts with offense or takes the relatively gentler option of telling John that those kind of cards aren't given at funerals, John takes the card back and crumbles it up, [[SadClown berating himself]] over his disappointment and [[NoSocialSkills frustration with his lack of social skills all too evident.skills.]]]]
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** Of particular note is the [[spoiler: get-well-soon card he gives Bruce at the funeral, in what seems to be a genuine effort to cheer the man up. If Bruce reacts with offense or takes the relatively gentler option of telling John that those kind of cards aren't given at funerals, John takes the card back and crumbles it up, his disappointment and [[NoSocialSkills frustration with his social skills all too evident.]]

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** Of particular note is the [[spoiler: get-well-soon card he gives Bruce at the funeral, in what seems to be a genuine effort to cheer the man up. If Bruce reacts with offense or takes the relatively gentler option of telling John that those kind of cards aren't given at funerals, John takes the card back and crumbles it up, his disappointment and [[NoSocialSkills frustration with his social skills all too evident.]]]]]]
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* John Doe isn't taking his newfound freedom well. Now that he's out of Arkham, he has no idea what to do, even going so far as to say that he "misses those padded walls". Even though he's an insane criminal, you can't help but feel bad for him.
** Of particular note is the [[spoiler: get-well-soon card he gives Bruce at the funeral, in what seems to be a genuine effort to cheer the man up. If Bruce reacts with offense or takes the relatively gentler option of telling John that those kind of cards aren't given at funerals, John takes the card back and crumbles it up, his disappointment and frustration with his social skills all too evident.]]

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* John Doe isn't taking his newfound freedom well. Now that he's out of Arkham, [[StrangerInAFamiliarLand he has no idea what to do, do]], even going so far as to say that he "misses those padded walls". Even though he's an insane criminal, you can't help but feel bad for him.
** Of particular note is the [[spoiler: get-well-soon card he gives Bruce at the funeral, in what seems to be a genuine effort to cheer the man up. If Bruce reacts with offense or takes the relatively gentler option of telling John that those kind of cards aren't given at funerals, John takes the card back and crumbles it up, his disappointment and [[NoSocialSkills frustration with his social skills all too evident.]]
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** Hell, the entire fight is one big tearjerker: [[spoiler: The Joker throughout the episode was so enthusiastic about being a hero and partner to Batman, and then he breaks down once his darker urges get the best of him and violently murders the agents trying to arrest him in a bloodbath. He spends the entire fight cry-laughing and you can see the heartbreak on his face whenever Batman punches him. The kicker is at the climax when Batman has him cornered and Joker laments that his desire to be admired by Batman failed and caused Joker to lose himself, and once both fighters are down from exhaustion? The Joker sadly accepts that he can't be a hero and admits he knew Batman used him the entire time, but can't bring himself to hate him because him had so much fun spending time with Batman and asks Bruce if he ever thought of John as a true friend. No matter your answer, it's still sad; if you say yes, Joker, in a fit of self-loathing, declares Batman must be as crazy as him to think of someone as twisted as the Joker as a friend, and if you say no, Joker accepts this and declares that from now on, they are enemies.]]

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** Hell, the entire fight is one big tearjerker: [[spoiler: The Joker throughout the episode was so enthusiastic about being a hero and partner to Batman, and then he breaks down once his darker urges get the best of him and violently murders the agents trying to arrest him in a bloodbath. He spends the entire fight cry-laughing and you can see the heartbreak on his face whenever Batman punches him. The kicker is at the climax when Batman has him cornered and Joker laments that his desire to be admired by Batman failed and caused Joker to lose himself, and once both fighters are down from exhaustion? The Joker sadly accepts that he can't be a hero and admits he knew Batman used him the entire time, but can't bring himself to hate him because him he had so much fun spending time with Batman and asks Bruce if he ever thought of John as a true friend. No matter your answer, it's still sad; if you say yes, Joker, in a fit of self-loathing, declares Batman must be as crazy as him to think of someone as twisted as the Joker as a friend, and if you say no, Joker accepts this and declares that from now on, they are enemies.]]
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*If you [[spoiler: choose the option in the villain Joker ending that has Bruce rasp "I wish I'd never met you." Joker looks genuinely hurt for a moment. . .then he proceeds to ''stab Bruce in the side.'']]
----> '''[[spoiler: Joker ''': Oh Bruce. . .you say the ''cruelest'' things!]]
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[[caption-width-right:350:"A tragedy like that, at such a young age, must have been crippling..."]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:"A tragedy like that, at such a young age, must have been crippling."]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:"A tragedy like that, at such a young age, must have been crippling.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:"A tragedy like that, at such a young age, must have been crippling.]]
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* Back in ep 3 John can say he was waiting his whole life to be noticed during the cafe scene and in the vigilante route he picks The Joker as a superhero name and says people are going to remember the name. It turns into this when [[spoiler:Alfred shows Bruce media reports showing the horror of The Joker's rampage and that people associate the name Joker with terror. Looks like John got what he wanted but not in the way he was hoping for.]]

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* Back in ep 3 Episode 3, John can say he was waiting his whole life to be noticed during the cafe scene and in the vigilante route route, he picks The Joker "The Joker" as a superhero name and says it's a name people are going to remember the name. remember. It turns into this when [[spoiler:Alfred shows Bruce media new reports showing the horror of The the Joker's rampage and that people associate the name Joker "Joker" with terror. Looks like John got what he wanted wanted, but not in the way he was hoping for.]]



* The look on Batman's face when [[spoiler:Vigilante!Joker finally snaps]].
** Hell, the entire fight is one big tearjerker: [[spoiler:The Joker throughout the episode was so enthusiastic about being a hero and partner to Batman and then he breaks down once his darker urges get the best of him and violently murders the agents trying to arrest him in a blood bath. He spends the entire fight cry-laughing and you can see the heartbreak on his face whenever Batman punches him. The kicker is at the climax when Batman has The Joker cornered and The Joker laments that his desire to be admired by Batman failed and caused The Joker to lose himself, and once both fighters are down from exhaustion? The Joker sadly accepts that he can't be a hero and admits he knew Batman used him the entire time but can't bring himself to hate him because The Joker had so much fun spending time with Batman and asks Bruce if he ever thought of John as a true friend. No matter your answer it's still sad. if you say yes The Joker in a fit of self loathing declares Batman must be as crazy as him to think of someone as twisted as The Joker as a friend and if you say no The Joker accepts this and declares from now on they are enemies.]]

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* The look on Batman's face when [[spoiler:Vigilante!Joker [[spoiler:Vigilante Joker finally snaps]].
** Hell, the entire fight is one big tearjerker: [[spoiler:The [[spoiler: The Joker throughout the episode was so enthusiastic about being a hero and partner to Batman Batman, and then he breaks down once his darker urges get the best of him and violently murders the agents trying to arrest him in a blood bath.bloodbath. He spends the entire fight cry-laughing and you can see the heartbreak on his face whenever Batman punches him. The kicker is at the climax when Batman has The Joker him cornered and The Joker laments that his desire to be admired by Batman failed and caused The Joker to lose himself, and once both fighters are down from exhaustion? The Joker sadly accepts that he can't be a hero and admits he knew Batman used him the entire time time, but can't bring himself to hate him because The Joker him had so much fun spending time with Batman and asks Bruce if he ever thought of John as a true friend. No matter your answer answer, it's still sad. sad; if you say yes The Joker yes, Joker, in a fit of self loathing self-loathing, declares Batman must be as crazy as him to think of someone as twisted as The the Joker as a friend friend, and if you say no The no, Joker accepts this and declares that from now on on, they are enemies.]]
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** Hell the entire fight is one big tear jerker[[spoiler:The Joker throughout the episode was so enthusiastic about being a hero and partner to Batman and then he breaks down once his darker urges get the best of him and violently murders the agents trying to arrest him in a blood bath. He spends the entire fight cry laughing and you can see the heartbreak on his face whenever Batman punches him. The kicker is at the climax when Batman has The Joker cornered and The Joker laments that his desire to be admired by Batman failed and caused The Joker to lose himself, and once both fighters are down from exhaustion? The Joker sadly accepts that he can't be a hero and admits he knew Batman used him the entire time but can't bring himself to hate him because The Joker had so much fun spending time with Batman and asks Bruce if he ever thought of John as a true friend. No matter your answer it's still sad. if you say yes The Joker in a fit of self loathing declares Batman must be as crazy as him to think of someone as twisted as The Joker as a friend and if you say no The Joker accepts this and declares from now on they are enemies.]]

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** Hell Hell, the entire fight is one big tear jerker[[spoiler:The tearjerker: [[spoiler:The Joker throughout the episode was so enthusiastic about being a hero and partner to Batman and then he breaks down once his darker urges get the best of him and violently murders the agents trying to arrest him in a blood bath. He spends the entire fight cry laughing cry-laughing and you can see the heartbreak on his face whenever Batman punches him. The kicker is at the climax when Batman has The Joker cornered and The Joker laments that his desire to be admired by Batman failed and caused The Joker to lose himself, and once both fighters are down from exhaustion? The Joker sadly accepts that he can't be a hero and admits he knew Batman used him the entire time but can't bring himself to hate him because The Joker had so much fun spending time with Batman and asks Bruce if he ever thought of John as a true friend. No matter your answer it's still sad. if you say yes The Joker in a fit of self loathing declares Batman must be as crazy as him to think of someone as twisted as The Joker as a friend and if you say no The Joker accepts this and declares from now on they are enemies.]] ]]
* The end of the Villain route has a couple CryForTheDevil moments of its own if you take the sympathetic dialog options. [[spoiler:Joker goes into cardiac arrest, and Bruce sounds incredibly distraught as his attempts at resuscitation appear to fail - Joker survives, of course, but he seems utterly ''baffled'' that Bruce didn't just let him die, saying that nobody would blame him, coming off as if the lingering vestiges of pre-Joker John [[DeathSeeker think he deserves it]] (and even if Bruce says his life has value, he bitterly laughs it off as another example of a pointless code). ''Then'' he says that at least part of him knew he was being fooled the entire time Bruce was undercover in the Pact, because why would a guy like that really want to be his friend? Which cuts even deeper if you remember Harley saying exactly the same thing when you first met...]]
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* In the Villain route, Jim Gordon [[spoiler:betrays Batman by handing him over to Joker in exchange for a map of the virus bombs' locations, then gets shot in both legs by Joker to slow him down. Even if Batman says that he forgives Gordon and urges him to use it to save as many lives as he can, Gordon will be debilitated from that point onward and feel so guilty about his actions that he'll refuse to take his job back even if you have Waller pull some strings on his behalf.]]
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[[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman made things worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]]

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[[spoiler: *[[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman made things worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]]
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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman made things worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]]

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* Back in ep 3 John can say he was waiting his whole life to be noticed during the cafe scene and in the vigilante route he picks The Joker as a superhero name and says people are going to remember the name. It turns into this when [[spoiler:Alfred shows Bruce media reports showing the horror of The Joker's rampage and that people associate the name Joker with terror. Looks like John got what he wanted but not in the way he was hoping for.]]
[[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman made things worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]]
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** Hell the entire fight is one big tear jerker[[spoiler:The Joker throughout the episode was so enthusiastic about being a hero and partner to Batman and then he breaks down once his darker urges get the best of him and violently murders the agents trying to arrest him in a blood bath. He spends the entire fight cry laughing and you can see the heartbreak on his face whenever Batman punches him. The kicker is at the climax when Batman has The Joker cornered and The Joker laments that his desire to be admired by Batman failed and caused The Joker to lose himself, and once both fighters are down from exhaustion? The Joker sadly accepts that he can't be a hero and admits he knew Batman used him the entire time but can't bring himself to hate him because The Joker had so much fun spending time with Batman and asks Bruce if he ever thought of John as a true friend. No matter your answer it's still sad. if you say yes The Joker in a fit of self loathing declares Batman must be as crazy as him to think of someone as twisted as The Joker as a friend and if you say no The Joker accepts this and declares from now on they are enemies.]]

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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman made things worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]].

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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman made things worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]].]]]]
* The look on Batman's face when [[spoiler:Vigilante!Joker finally snaps]].
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* The death of [[spoiler: Carmine Falcone]] can come across as this. [[spoiler: Even if most would agrree (and even choose to say in-game) that [[AssholeVictim he had it coming]], his last moments were actually quite nice and calm, and he even could reveal that he had some form of appreciation for Bruce]].

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* The death of [[spoiler: Carmine Falcone]] can come across as this. [[spoiler: Even if most would agrree agree (and even choose to say in-game) that [[AssholeVictim he had it coming]], his last moments were actually quite nice and calm, and he even could reveal that he had some form of appreciation for Bruce]].
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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman make things more worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]].

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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman make made things more worse in both seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]].
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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that *[[EveryoneHasStandards Batman make things more worse after both season.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]].

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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that *[[EveryoneHasStandards [[EveryoneHasStandards Batman make things more worse after in both season.seasons of the game.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]].
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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that *[[EveryoneHasStandards Batman make things more worse after both season.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman and renew your relationship with John Doe or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]].

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* [[spoiler: After Joker's arrest, Alfred decides to leave Bruce permanently after realizing that *[[EveryoneHasStandards Batman make things more worse after both season.]] It's heartbreaking that Bruce pleaded for him to stay but he made his mind up. Depending on the player's choice, you can give up Alfred and continue being Batman and renew your relationship with John Doe or [[HeartwarmingMoment you could give up being Batman, to make Alfred reconsider leaving Bruce.]]]].
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!! Episode 5
* Selina attacking and choking Tiffany when she [[spoiler:admits to killing The Riddler]] shows just how much Selina cared about [[spoiler:Nygma]].
* Batman's subsequent WhatTheHellHero to Tiffany, which potentially drives her away into being a fugitive, when the entire series had hinted she'd be Lucius' successor. [[spoiler:Veers into Heartwarming if Bruce forgives her, and offers to mentor her as a "sentence" for her crime -- and she hugs him.]]

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