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** What's even sadder is that [[spoiler:Batman's on a frantic search for Alfred, and he has to fix the computer and make his Detective Vision work in order to help find him. Once Alfred is found, Batman removes the rubble from under him, only to find that Alfred is already dying, and his "final words" are: "Please... don't add me to the weight you carry" right before [[DiedInYourArmsTonight passing away in Batman's arms from his injuries]]. As the Dark Knight feels grieved, we get a glimpse of him kneeling beside his dead parents, followed by a brief pause... and a BigNo from him... before he slams his Shock Gloves onto the ground and discovers his EurekaMoment when he hears the voices of the medical staff from the GCPD in his head, then discovers that he has to shock Alfred back to life]].

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** What's even sadder is that [[spoiler:Batman's on a frantic search for Alfred, and he has to fix the computer and make his Detective Vision work in order to help find him. Once Alfred is found, Batman removes the rubble from under him, only to find that Alfred is already dying, and his "final words" are: "Please... don't "Don't add me to the weight you carry" right before [[DiedInYourArmsTonight passing away in Batman's arms from his injuries]]. As the Dark Knight feels grieved, we get a glimpse of him kneeling beside his dead parents, followed by a brief pause... and a BigNo from him... before he slams his Shock Gloves onto the ground and discovers his EurekaMoment when he hears the voices of the medical staff from the GCPD in his head, then discovers that he has to shock Alfred back to life]].
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*** Even saddening is that the music that plays in the background [[spoiler:while all these aforementioned events happen in the Batcave]] is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1G251NNRko "I Have Left Enough Life in Him for Some Final Words... If You Hurry"]], followed, closely enough, by [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lER0rqEKy8s "Allies"]].

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*** Even saddening is that the music that plays in the background [[spoiler:while all these aforementioned events happen in the Batcave]] is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1G251NNRko "I Have Left Enough Life in Him for Some Final Words... If You Hurry"]], followed, closely enough, by [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lER0rqEKy8s "Allies"]]. Talk about having a sad, [[Music/ElvisPresley "Blue Christmas"]].
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*** Even saddening is that the music that plays in the background [[spoiler:while all these aforementioned events happen in the Batcave]] is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1G251NNRko "I Have Left Enough Life in Him for Some Final Words... If You Hurry"]], followed, closely enough, by [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lER0rqEKy8s "Allies"]].

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* [[spoiler: Alfred's near death when Bane invades the Batcave. As Batman tries to revive him, [[BeneathTheMask the subtitles give his name as Bruce Wayne, rather than Batman]].]]

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* [[spoiler: Alfred's near death when after Bane invades has invaded the Batcave. As Batman tries to revive him, [[BeneathTheMask the subtitles give his name as Bruce Wayne, rather than Batman]].]]
** What's even sadder is that [[spoiler:Batman's on a frantic search for Alfred, and he has to fix the computer and make his Detective Vision work in order to help find him. Once Alfred is found, Batman removes the rubble from under him, only to find that Alfred is already dying, and his "final words" are: "Please... don't add me to the weight you carry" right before [[DiedInYourArmsTonight passing away in Batman's arms from his injuries]]. As the Dark Knight feels grieved, we get a glimpse of him kneeling beside his dead parents, followed by a brief pause... and a BigNo from him... before he slams his Shock Gloves onto the ground and discovers his EurekaMoment when he hears the voices of the medical staff from the GCPD in his head, then discovers that he has to shock Alfred back to life]].
** [[spoiler:After Alfred is revived, Batman suffers a HeroicBSOD when he takes off his mask briefly, goes to the computer, and reflects on the visions of the dead bank manager, his dead parents (again) and Alfred's OnlyMostlyDead body, right before Alfred encourages him. There's even a photo of a young Bruce with his parents while Alfred consoles him, and he starts regaining his composure. After he is called to head back to Blackgate Prison, Alfred tells him, "They need you," and the Dark Knight responds, "No, they need ''us''." So touching. Also doubles as a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}.
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* The end of the [[spoiler:Mad Hatter]] questline. [[spoiler:Despite Batman successfully saving the kidnapped girl, she is so traumatized by the experience that she's continually sobbing and, when Batman tries to comfort her that everything's fine now, she asserts that it's not.]]

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* The end of the [[spoiler:Mad Hatter]] questline. [[spoiler:Despite Batman successfully saving the kidnapped girl, she is so traumatized by the experience that she's continually sobbing and, when Batman tries to comfort her that everything's fine now, she asserts that it's not. It seems to be implied that he may have raped the poor girl.]]

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No, he\'s right. There\'s absolutely no hint to his story being a lie this time around. Heck, we\'re seeing things how Joker\'s mind perceives his origins during the scene, and he\'s not actually telling Harley anything about his past at the time either (he can\'t lie about something he\'s not actually talking about out loud). Plus, it matches how he described his origins in Arkham City. Granted, the Multiple Choice Past can still be in effect, since Joker\'s memory of the events is a bit warped, but there\'s absolutely nothing to suggest that something along those line did not happen to him.


* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:backstory is from ComicBook/TheKillingJoke is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals...]]
** Tears might be from the [[MultipleChoicePast accompanying grain of salt]], though.

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* The fact that (as hinted at in Arkham City, but ''[[MultipleChoicePast possibly]]'' confirmed here) the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:backstory is from ComicBook/TheKillingJoke is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals...]]
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Of course, what we see is how Joker's mind perceives his origins, and the [[MultipleChoicePast accompanying grain of salt]], though.events shown are vague and fractured, hinting that he doesn't fully remember things properly, but otherwise what is shown strongly hints towards the events being at the very least partially true (or as close as we're gonna get to it).]]
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*** Well, to be fair, the thing about Joker is that it's constantly ambiguous as to whether Joker actually cares, so it ''could'' be a subversion.
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** Tears might be from the [[MultipleChoicePast accompanying grain of salt]], though.

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** Tears might be from the [[MultipleChoicePast accompanying grain of salt]], though.though.
* When Batman's hallucinating under Copperhead's poison, one of the things he sees is Alfred lecturing him about [[DisappointedInYou how he's disgraced the Wayne family name and how personally disappointed Alfred is in him.]] Truly hammers home the relationship between Bruce and Alfred.
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It\'s the Joker. Lying is kind of what he does.


* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:backstory is from ComicBook/TheKillingJoke is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals...]]

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* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:backstory is from ComicBook/TheKillingJoke is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals...]]]]
** Tears might be from the [[MultipleChoicePast accompanying grain of salt]], though.
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** Even sadder because she [[spoiler:doesn't even gain a friend in the Joker]], though she thinks she does. [[spoiler:He's just manipulating her]] and it's so hard to watch because he'll be doing it to her for years and years and it causes [[spoiler:her to become Harley Quinn]] in the first place.

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** Even sadder because she [[spoiler:doesn't even gain a friend in the Joker]], Joker, though she thinks she does. [[spoiler:He's He's just manipulating her]] and it's her. It's so hard to watch because he'll be doing it to her for years and years and it causes [[spoiler:her her to become Harley Quinn]] Quinn in the first place.]]
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** Even sadder because she [[spoiler:doesn't even gain a friend in the Joker]], though she thinks she does. He's just manipulating her and it's so hard to watch because he'll be doing it to her for years and years and it causes her to become Harley Quinn in the first place.

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** Even sadder because she [[spoiler:doesn't even gain a friend in the Joker]], though she thinks she does. He's [[spoiler:He's just manipulating her her]] and it's so hard to watch because he'll be doing it to her for years and years and it causes her [[spoiler:her to become Harley Quinn Quinn]] in the first place.
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** Even sadder because she [[spoiler:doesn't even gain a friend in the Joker]], though she thinks she does. He's just manipulating her and it's so hard to watch because he'll be doing it to her for years and years and it causes her to become Harley Quinn in the first place.
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* [[spoiler:Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]

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* [[spoiler:Loeb's Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]
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There\'s no in-universe hint at that point that he\'s lying.


* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:backstory is from ComicBook/TheKillingJoke is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals...]]
** Tears might be from the [[MultipleChoicePast accompanying grain of salt]], though.

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* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:backstory is from ComicBook/TheKillingJoke is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals...]]
** Tears might be from the [[MultipleChoicePast accompanying grain of salt]], though.
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Playing through the game reveals that Loeb\'s pretty bad.


* [[spoiler:Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. There's also the fact that, unlike DarkVictory where he was killed while planning to take advantage of the situation to reclaim his authority, Loeb was still police commissioner when he died so he may not have been as bad as the comic version. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]

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* [[spoiler:Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. There's also the fact that, unlike DarkVictory where he was killed while planning to take advantage of the situation to reclaim his authority, Loeb was still police commissioner when he died so he may not have been as bad as the comic version. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]
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* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:[[HistoryRepeats a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley]]. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred even has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.]]

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* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:[[HistoryRepeats a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley]].Alley, mere feet from the site of the murders of Thomas & Martha Wayne]]. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred even has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.]]

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* The fact that in this version of her back story [[spoiler:Harley was just lonely and wanted a friend.]]
* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:backstory is from [[TheKillingJoke]] is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals....]]

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* The fact that in In this version of her back story story, [[spoiler:Harley was just lonely and wanted a friend.]]
* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:backstory is from [[TheKillingJoke]] ComicBook/TheKillingJoke is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals....]]chemicals...]]
** Tears might be from the [[MultipleChoicePast accompanying grain of salt]], though.
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* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:his backstory from [[TheKillingJoke]] is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals....]]

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* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:his backstory [[spoiler:backstory is from [[TheKillingJoke]] is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals....]]
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** What's also sad, and a little creepy, is that [[spoiler:while rewinding the scenario at the crime scene, there's a point where Bruce's parents flicker back into their chalk outlines. This case ''really'' touched a raw nerve for him.]]

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** What's also sad, and a little creepy, is that [[spoiler:while rewinding the scenario at the crime scene, there's a point where Bruce's parents flicker back into their chalk outlines. This case ''really'' touched a raw nerve for him.]]
* The fact that in this version of her back story [[spoiler:Harley was just lonely and wanted a friend.]]
* The fact that the Arkham Joker's [[spoiler:his backstory from [[TheKillingJoke]] is incredibly sad and tragic. He's still being pushed to do the job at Ace chemicals....
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* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred even has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.]]

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* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:a [[spoiler:[[HistoryRepeats a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley.Alley]]. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred even has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.]]
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* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred even has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.]]

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* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred even has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.]]
** What's also sad, and a little creepy, is that [[spoiler:while rewinding the scenario at the crime scene, there's a point where Bruce's parents flicker back into their chalk outlines. This case ''really'' touched a raw nerve for him.
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* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.]]

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* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred even has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.]]
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* The end of the [[spoiler:Mad Hatter]] questline. [[spoiler:Despite Batman successfully saving the kidnapped girl, she is so traumatized by the experience that she's continually sobbing and, when Batman tries to comfort her that everything's fine now, she asserts that it's not.]]

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* The end of the [[spoiler:Mad Hatter]] questline. [[spoiler:Despite Batman successfully saving the kidnapped girl, she is so traumatized by the experience that she's continually sobbing and, when Batman tries to comfort her that everything's fine now, she asserts that it's not.]]
* The final casefile Batman investigates is centered around [[spoiler:a double homicide of two wealthy socialites in Crime Alley. The two were friends of Bruce and had just gotten engaged, only for the man's best friend to kill them out of jealousy. However when Bruce confronts the killer, he's noticeably angrier than usual and begins projecting his anger at his own parents' deaths onto the killer. Alfred has to contact him during the middle of the confrontation because of how erratic Bruce's vitals are. It just serves as another sign that Bruce will never get over that loss.
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* [[spoiler: Alfred's near death when Bane invades the Batcave. As Batman tries to revive him, the subtitles give his name as Bruce Wayne, rather than Batman.]]

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* [[spoiler: Alfred's near death when Bane invades the Batcave. As Batman tries to revive him, [[BeneathTheMask the subtitles give his name as Bruce Wayne, rather than Batman.Batman]].]]
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It was Dark Victory, not The Long Halloween.


* [[spoiler:Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. There's also the fact that, unlike TheLongHalloween where he was killed while planning to take advantage of the situation to reclaim his authority, Loeb was still police commissioner when he died so he may not have been as bad as the comic version. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]

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* [[spoiler:Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. There's also the fact that, unlike TheLongHalloween DarkVictory where he was killed while planning to take advantage of the situation to reclaim his authority, Loeb was still police commissioner when he died so he may not have been as bad as the comic version. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]
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* [[spoiler: Alfred's near death when Bane invades the Batcave. As Batman tries to revive him, the subtitles give his name as Bruce Wayne, rather than Batman.]]

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* [[spoiler: Alfred's near death when Bane invades the Batcave. As Batman tries to revive him, the subtitles give his name as Bruce Wayne, rather than Batman.]]
* The end of the [[spoiler:Mad Hatter]] questline. [[spoiler:Despite Batman successfully saving the kidnapped girl, she is so traumatized by the experience that she's continually sobbing and, when Batman tries to comfort her that everything's fine now, she asserts that it's not.
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* [[spoiler:Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. There's also the fact that, unlike TheLongHalloween where he was killed while planning to take advantage of the situation to reclaim his authority, Loeb was still police commissioner when he died so he may not have been as bad as the comic version. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]

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* [[spoiler:Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. There's also the fact that, unlike TheLongHalloween where he was killed while planning to take advantage of the situation to reclaim his authority, Loeb was still police commissioner when he died so he may not have been as bad as the comic version. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]
* [[spoiler: Alfred's near death when Bane invades the Batcave. As Batman tries to revive him, the subtitles give his name as Bruce Wayne, rather than Batman.
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** Compounded is that the only time he expresses an emotion is when fighting Bane. To have kept all that rage bottled up for so long...

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** Compounded is that the only time he expresses an emotion is when fighting Bane. To have kept all that rage bottled up for so long...long...
* [[spoiler:Loeb's death. Yes, the man was corrupt and a major part of Gotham's problems, but he was so callously killed off. There's also the fact that, unlike TheLongHalloween where he was killed while planning to take advantage of the situation to reclaim his authority, Loeb was still police commissioner when he died so he may not have been as bad as the comic version. Even Batman's angered when Loeb dies, and he doesn't like the cops in this game.]]
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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J4j6fMwIxw This ad]], which just serves to emphasize that Bruce's life has always been one tragedy or fight after another.

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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J4j6fMwIxw This ad]], which just serves to emphasize that Bruce's life has always been one tragedy or fight after another.another.
** Compounded is that the only time he expresses an emotion is when fighting Bane. To have kept all that rage bottled up for so long...
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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J4j6fMwIxw This ad]], which just serves to emphasize that Bruce's life has always been one tragedy or fight after another.

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