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seeking Viconia out after Shadowheart's death reveals that Shar told her to get rid of the cult even though Viconia notes that they were completely loyal.


* The fate of Viconia, if you were a fan of hers in the original ''VideoGame/BaldursGate''. She was always evil, yeah, but it was a [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic sort of evil]] and she did in fact have code of honor focused more on survival to the point of ruthlessness rather than on rampant dog-kicking, and was heavily implied to be that way largely because of [[SocialDarwinist the culture in which she was raised]]. Even her relationship with Shar was shaped by her traumatic past and [[DeliberateValuesDissonance the drow equation]] of [[TheSacredDarkness darkness with comfort and protection]]. In her non-romanced ending, even if her alignment wasn't changed, she was described as continuing to perform heroic feats, to the point that the queen of the elven city of Suldanessalar personally thanked her for saving it from a Zhentarim plot, and she even proved willing to defy Shar, such as when she slew a cult she founded in Shar's name for betraying her. And yet, by the time the player encounters her in this age, she is a Shar high priestess responsible for the horrifically cruel indoctrination of Shadowheart, a sadistic, abusive, manipulative monster whom the player has no choice but to put down. And you can't even argue that this is a timeline where Viconia never traveled with the Bhaalspawn of Candlekeep, as she has the gems she was given as a reward for saving Suldanessalar in her quarters. Worse, her old traveling companions Jaheira and Minsc both speak of her with nothing but contempt, and are glad to see her dead. It can easily feel like a TakeThat to her old fanbase.

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* The fate of Viconia, if you were a fan of hers in the original ''VideoGame/BaldursGate''. She was always evil, yeah, but it was a [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic sort of evil]] and she did in fact have code of honor focused more on survival to the point of ruthlessness rather than on rampant dog-kicking, and was heavily implied to be that way largely because of [[SocialDarwinist the culture in which she was raised]]. Even her relationship with Shar was shaped by her traumatic past and [[DeliberateValuesDissonance the drow equation]] of [[TheSacredDarkness darkness with comfort and protection]]. In her non-romanced ending, even if her alignment wasn't changed, she was described as continuing to perform heroic feats, to the point that the queen of the elven city of Suldanessalar personally thanked her for saving it from a Zhentarim plot, and she even proved willing to defy Shar, such as when she slew a cult she founded in Shar's name for betraying her. plot. And yet, by the time the player encounters her in this age, she is a Shar high priestess responsible for the horrifically cruel indoctrination of Shadowheart, Shadowheart for the sake of a goddess who isn't even hiding the fact that she intends to replace her with her protege, a sadistic, abusive, manipulative monster whom the player has no choice but to put down. And you can't even argue that this is a timeline where Viconia never traveled with the Bhaalspawn of Candlekeep, as she has the gems she was given as a reward for saving Suldanessalar in her quarters. Worse, her old traveling companions Jaheira and Minsc both speak of her with nothing but contempt, and are glad to see her dead. It can easily feel like a TakeThat to her old fanbase.
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seems to be based on player choice


* If Orpheus is a Mindflayer at the end of the game, Lae'zel will attempt to kill him when he appears one last time. You can either let her do the deed...or stab her in the back to stop her. Doing the latter nets you a poignant scene of Lae'zel realizing you betrayed her in her final moments, as she bleeds out on the ground with her face twisted in a combination of anger and despair at the PC's actions.

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* If Orpheus is a Mindflayer at the end of the game, Lae'zel will can potentially attempt to kill him when he appears one last time. You can either let her do the deed...or stab her in the back to stop her. Doing the latter nets you a poignant scene of Lae'zel realizing you betrayed her in her final moments, as she bleeds out on the ground with her face twisted in a combination of anger and despair at the PC's actions.
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* To get the last Umbral Gem, you'll have to confront Yurgir, a devil that was forced into servitude and now has to kill Shars Justiciars. When you encounter him, he's got quite the entourage, and fighting them directly will not end well for you. Having him kill his minions does result in a somewhat funny (albeit gory) cut-scene... But then there's the matter of his pet Displacer Beast. Break out the tissue box here, because when you tell him to kill his pet and you succeed on the dice roll, the resulting scene resembles someone deciding to [[MercyKill end the suffering of a pet they've had for a long time]].

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* To get the last Umbral Gem, you'll have to confront Yurgir, a devil that was forced into servitude and now has to kill Shars Shar's Justiciars. When you encounter him, he's got quite the entourage, and fighting them directly will not end well for you. Having him kill his minions does result in a somewhat funny (albeit gory) cut-scene... But then there's the matter of his pet Displacer Beast. Break out the tissue box here, because when you tell him to kill his pet and you succeed on the dice roll, the resulting scene resembles someone deciding to [[MercyKill end the suffering of a pet they've had for a long time]].



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* If you reject Vlaakith's offer and successfully convince Lae'Zel to do the same, she will have a major crisis of faith. For the first time in the story, you see the resolute Githyanki warrior break down upon seeing how the highest power and object of worship in her culture has forsaken her, to the point where she'll be in denial for awhile afterwards, as she believes she can still win Vlaakith's favor. It's not until Voss comes to her that she accepts the truth and snaps out of her funk.

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!! Lae'Zel
Lae'zel
* If you reject Vlaakith's offer and successfully convince Lae'Zel Lae'zel to do the same, she will have a major crisis of faith. For the first time in the story, you see the resolute Githyanki warrior break down upon seeing how the highest power and object of worship in her culture has forsaken her, to the point where she'll be in denial for awhile afterwards, as she believes she can still win Vlaakith's favor. It's not until Voss comes to her that she accepts the truth and snaps out of her funk.



* If Orpheus is a Mindflayer at the end of the game, Lae'Zel will attempt to kill him when he appears one last time. You can either let her do the deed...or stab her in the back to stop her. Doing the latter nets you a poignant scene of Lae'Zel realizing you betrayed her in her final moments, as she bleeds out on the ground with her face twisted in a combination of anger and despair at the PC's actions.

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* If Orpheus is a Mindflayer at the end of the game, Lae'Zel Lae'zel will attempt to kill him when he appears one last time. You can either let her do the deed...or stab her in the back to stop her. Doing the latter nets you a poignant scene of Lae'Zel Lae'zel realizing you betrayed her in her final moments, as she bleeds out on the ground with her face twisted in a combination of anger and despair at the PC's actions.
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* If he ''does'' go through with the ritual, [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide the power]] ''[[DrunkOnTheDarkSide instantly]]'' [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide goes to his head]] -- He moves into Cazador's palace and declares that he plans to create his own legion of vampire spawn and take his place as the most powerful vampire to ever live... Much like Cazador wanted. It's just... ''Horrible'' to see him become everything he always hated.

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* If he ''does'' go through with the ritual, [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide the power]] ''[[DrunkOnTheDarkSide instantly]]'' [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide goes to his head]] -- He moves into Cazador's palace and declares that he plans to create his own legion of vampire spawn and take his place as the most powerful vampire to ever live... Much like Cazador wanted. It's just... ''Horrible'' ''horrible'' to see him become everything he always hated.



* If you defend him from Araj's advances in Act II, but once he opens up to you later, rebuke him by saying you only slept with him for fun not to "deal with all this", he has a particularly cutting response:

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* If you defend him from Araj's advances in Act II, but once he opens up to you later, rebuke him by saying you only slept with him for fun fun, not to "deal with all this", he has a particularly cutting response:



* Arguably the worst way to end things with him, or at least ''one'' of the worst, is to just flat-out refuse to help him take Cazador's place in the Rite without trying to talk some sense into him. He'll maul Cazador to death the same way he always does, then once his breakdown's over he dismissively tells his siblings "(they) can do whatever (they) want", snaps Cazador's staff over his knee (presumably [[FateWorseThanDeath trapping the 7000 other spawn in the dungeons forever]]), and declares that he's [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere "done with this" and "done with]] ''[[ScrewThisImOuttaHere (the player)]]''" before leaving for good. It doesn't matter how much he liked you beforehand or even if you were a couple -- One way or another, [[WeUsedToBeFriends your relationship is as dead as the vampire on the ground]].

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* Arguably the worst way to end things with him, or at least ''one'' of the worst, is to just flat-out flat out refuse to help him take Cazador's place in the Rite without trying to talk some sense into him. He'll maul Cazador to death the same way he always does, then once his breakdown's over he dismissively tells his siblings "(they) can do whatever (they) want", snaps Cazador's staff over his knee (presumably [[FateWorseThanDeath trapping the 7000 other spawn in the dungeons forever]]), and declares that he's [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere "done with this" and "done with]] ''[[ScrewThisImOuttaHere (the player)]]''" before leaving for good. It doesn't matter how much he liked you beforehand or even if you were a couple -- One way or another, [[WeUsedToBeFriends your relationship is as dead as the vampire on the ground]].





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\n* In Early Access, Astarion can admit that he was lying about a dream being "enticing" and open up to the player character that he dreamed of "[his] master, Cazador". The player then has the option of making a ''breathtakingly insensitive'' joke about not knowing Astarion was into having a master in the bedroom. Astarion immediately flies into nuclear rage at a level hitherto unseen (possibly why the scene got cut from the full release for being out of character) and threatens to brutally kill the player character "on instinct, just to fulfill [his] need to hear [them] scream". It doesn't track with Astarion's general behavior (trying to charm, manipulate, and please the party for his own survival), but absolutely matches with the PTSD he must have from all the RapeByProxy Cazador made him go through - and opens up awful implications that Cazador personally assaulted him, on top of the honeypot missions.

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