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**** It's strange to see how often the anvil "All this civil defense stuff won't work" stands in for, and to a certain extent, undermines, the "Nuclear arms race must end before we all die" anvil. The artists seem to have had the ludicrous impression that the average Brit or Yank expected to survive swimmingly and needed to be disabused of that idea before they would care about nuclear war.
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***He probably should have thanked him for something else: Larry Schweikart noted in his book ''America's Victories'' that Reagan's approval rating rose sharply after the movie aired. The public wanted someone tough enough to head it off.
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* John Varley's 1984 short story "The Manhattan Phone Book (Abridged)" is based on the premise that America's phone books are lists of people who will all be dead if a nuclear war occurs. The anvil is that such a war is not survivable, much less winnable, and that science fiction "after the bomb" stories are just stories. He drops it in gut-wrenching fashion by detailing a number of horrible ways that people who survive the first detonations will suffer and die in the hours and days after the attack.[[/folder]]
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**** In that case, he can only have attacked Socialism, because that's what Marx/Engels described as the last stage before Communism. Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat, which does away with Capitalism (among other things). Marx' Communism is, finally, the equal rule by the entire body of mankind; where any form of totalitarism is not necessary anymore. That's also why it was the USSR - the Union of Soviet '''Socialist''' Republics. Orwell bloody well knew that they hadn't reached (and would never reach) even a single percent of Communism. And '''that's''' why he had to drop that anvil.
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**** In that case, he can only have attacked Socialism, because that's what Marx/Engels [[strike: Marx/Engels]] Lenin described as the last stage before Communism. Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat, which does away with Capitalism (among other things). Marx' Communism is, finally, the equal rule by the entire body of mankind; where any form of totalitarism is not necessary anymore. That's also why it was the USSR - the Union of Soviet '''Socialist''' Republics. Orwell bloody well knew that they hadn't reached (and would never reach) even a single percent of Communism. And '''that's''' why he had to drop that anvil.
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*****News Flash: Marxism-Leninism is not the only "socialism." Orwell, having fought in the Spanish Civil War with the POUM and FAI in Spain saw their libertarian, democratic varieties of it. That's what he supported, in contrast to the grey hell of 1984 and, say, modern North Korea.
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**Not only that but the entire penal system appears to consistent of flogging (corporal punishment) and hanging (capital punishment) if the AuthorTract and examples given are anything to go by. Note to Heinlein: that ''was'' done for centuries, and still is in many countries. Surprise-that does not, in itself, make crime rates go down, and can arguably make them worse.
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** ''Many'' anvils are dropped in the arc involving Davan's dad and a "Hell House" - a [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10042006.shtml Haunted House aimed at scaring people into accepting Christianity.]] And yes - they are real. The quote on the last page is especially Anvilicious
---> R.K. Milholland's Dad: Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
---> R.K. Milholland's Dad: Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
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** As at least one comedian has stated - "There should be no more Holocaust movies after Schindler's List. There's just no way you can do better!"
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* Australian pub rock band Midnight Oil pretty much built a career out of dropping anvils about politics and social issues, particularly nuclear disarmament, Aborigine rights, and the working class.
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*Fritz Lang's ''{{Metropolis}}'' says "The mediator between the head and the hands must be the heart" about a million times (more in the unabridged version), ending with a shot of Freder (the heart) joining the hands of John Frederson (the head) and Gort (the hands). And it's true.
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* An in-universe example occurs in ''GalaxyQuest'' -- "Never give up! Never surrender!" -- as well as the various anvils dropped by the movie itself. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] at various points by the Thermians.
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** And the anti-racism message of ''The Sneeches''. In fact, a great many of his books drop a pretty obvious anvil of some sort; but then, sutblety is not necessarily useful or effective when writing for children.
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** How ironic that the so-called fundamentalists are the most hypocritical of his followers.
*** First, that's your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions being like the terminus of the colon. Second, have you ever noticed how the only people calling conservative Christians "fundamentalists" are people who are strongly critical of them? Third, are you sure you're judging all the "fundamentalists" or are you judging millions of people by some jerk you know or by media potrayals? Fourth, when the United Church of Christ proved how tolerant and loving they were by running ads implying that conservative churches don't want black people or handicapped folks to attend, did you find that hypocritical? Fifth, sure, there's lots of hypocrites in the church, but come on by and we'll make room for one more.
*** I don't know, some of the more inclusive, modern followers trample all over some of Jesus' teachings. Luke 15:26 comes to mind.
**** Excuse me? At least in my Bible that's a nondescript passage in the middle of the Prodigal Son story.
*** First, that's your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions being like the terminus of the colon. Second, have you ever noticed how the only people calling conservative Christians "fundamentalists" are people who are strongly critical of them? Third, are you sure you're judging all the "fundamentalists" or are you judging millions of people by some jerk you know or by media potrayals? Fourth, when the United Church of Christ proved how tolerant and loving they were by running ads implying that conservative churches don't want black people or handicapped folks to attend, did you find that hypocritical? Fifth, sure, there's lots of hypocrites in the church, but come on by and we'll make room for one more.
*** I don't know, some of the more inclusive, modern followers trample all over some of Jesus' teachings. Luke 15:26 comes to mind.
**** Excuse me? At least in my Bible that's a nondescript passage in the middle of the Prodigal Son story.
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* Hank Beebe's musical review "Tuscaloosa's Calling Me...But I'm not Going" opens with "Only Right Here in New York City," a sarcasm-fest about how everyone outside NYC sees the city as a unique hellhole with crime and corrpution problems no other city has. Example: "Phoenix folks have never heard a gun | Only right here, in New York City | The rest of the world's too busy having fun | And Washington! A trip to Washington | Is an upper no one could ever up | They're all so wise there | And no one lies there | And no one's ever heard the word corrupt!"
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** And, of course, the obvious messages of the One Ring: Power Corrupts, and The End Does Not Justify The Means.
** And, of course, the obvious messages of the One Ring: Power Corrupts, and The End Does Not Justify The Means.
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**** Agreed. In 37 years since the Roe vs. Wade ruling, 8 doctors or other clinic workers have been killed by abortion opponents who chose to turn to murder. For perspective, compare the Virginia Tech massacre (32 people in 2.5 hours), Columbine shooters (13 people in just 23 minutes) and home grown attacks by radicalized Muslims (29 people in the roughly nine years since 9/11). This anvil needs dropping like we need an anvil dropped about supermodels getting pregnant at Renaissance fairs.
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**** I say that all the time about the Spanish Civil War (and I am not Spanish).
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**** The one abortion-related shooting that has happened since Obama took office had nothing to do with the health care bill (it was garden variety crazy), it happened before the bill was even released to the Congresscritters and it didn't happen at a clinic--a minor point, the doctor is still dead....but it goes to the troper's credibility. It seems that books about civil war may turn out to be accurate prophecies if the best thing people portraying themselves as smarter and cooler heads ("Hurp Durp") can do is make wild claims that have nothing to do with reality.
