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22nd May '16 5:24:25 PM saffronpanther
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* ''Literature/TheObituaryWriter'', understandably, gets unsubtle about the need to move on after a great tragedy, such as the death of a loved one. But considering how easy it would be to cross the DespairEventHorizon and lose what's left of one's life, it's a fair point to make.
-->'''[[spoiler:Vivian]]''': I wasted thirteen years hoping he was alive somewhere. Thirteen years holding onto a dream.
-->'''[[spoiler:Claire]]''': But shouldn’t we hold onto our dreams?
-->'''[[spoiler:Vivian]]''': Not when they keep us from moving forward.
23rd Feb '16 7:06:11 PM Sabariel95
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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh. "Totalitarianism is bad." of Orwell like "Slavery is bad" of Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" of Chaplin's "Great Dictator" are obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, sublte art.

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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh. "Totalitarianism is bad." of Orwell like "Slavery is bad" of Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" of Chaplin's "Great Dictator" are obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, sublte subtle art.
15th Jan '16 12:00:34 PM Anddrix
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* A lot of Dickens falls under this heading. He gets away with his anvils because they're never based on the idea that [[ViewersAreMorons Readers Are Morons]] and need lessons in basic decency, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking they are always motivated by genuine passion, fury against real injustices, and a need to increase word count.]] There is a particularly powerful one in ''[[Literature/AChristmasCarol A Christmas Carol in Prose, Being a Ghost Story of Christmas]]'':

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* A lot of Dickens falls under this heading. He gets away with his anvils because they're never based on the idea that [[ViewersAreMorons Readers Are Morons]] Morons and need lessons in basic decency, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking they are always motivated by genuine passion, fury against real injustices, and a need to increase word count.]] There is a particularly powerful one in ''[[Literature/AChristmasCarol A Christmas Carol in Prose, Being a Ghost Story of Christmas]]'':
12th Dec '15 12:59:10 AM CassandraLeo
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* ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' has a number of {{Aesop}}s: DrugsAreBad; creating a sinister SurveillanceState in the pursuit of a War on Drugs that results in no one trusting anyone else enough to form genuine attachments is just as bad; preying on the weak and powerless in order to profit from them is equally reprehensible. These are all delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but given that these problems continue in our society to this very day, they're a message that needs to be heard.

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* ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' has a number of {{Aesop}}s: DrugsAreBad; creating a sinister SurveillanceState SinisterSurveillance [[PoliceState State]] in the pursuit of a War on Drugs that results in no one trusting anyone else enough to form genuine attachments is just as bad; preying on the weak and powerless in order to profit from them is equally reprehensible. These are all delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but given that these problems continue in our society to this very day, they're a message that needs to be heard.
11th Dec '15 11:54:53 PM CassandraLeo
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** The novels also aren't very subtle in the way the hellish treatment of women is depicted. But, given that many of the same things happen ''in our world to this very day'', this is the kind of thing many readers probably need to see.


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* ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' has a number of {{Aesop}}s: DrugsAreBad; creating a sinister SurveillanceState in the pursuit of a War on Drugs that results in no one trusting anyone else enough to form genuine attachments is just as bad; preying on the weak and powerless in order to profit from them is equally reprehensible. These are all delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but given that these problems continue in our society to this very day, they're a message that needs to be heard.
30th Sep '15 12:29:44 PM DDRMASTERM
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* ''Uncle Tom's Cabin'' basically consisted of Harriet Beecher Stowe gathering together a whole bunch of stories of actual people who were actually enslaved, then changing the names and adding in a plot to tie it together.

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* ''Uncle ''[[UncleTomsCabin Uncle Tom's Cabin'' Cabin]]'' basically consisted of Harriet Beecher Stowe gathering together a whole bunch of stories of actual people who were actually enslaved, then changing the names and adding in a plot to tie it together.
26th Sep '15 7:09:33 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the AmeliasNotebook installment "Oh Boy Amelia", Carly drops a nice one on classmate Clarisse (paraphrased):

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* In the AmeliasNotebook Literature/AmeliasNotebook installment "Oh Boy Amelia", Carly drops a nice one on classmate Clarisse (paraphrased):
23rd Sep '15 10:30:23 AM ladyofthelibrary
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* In the AmeliasNotebook installment "Oh Boy Amelia", Carly drops a nice one on classmate Clarisse (paraphrased):
--> There's no such thing as a boy thing or a girl thing. What you mean is it's not ''your'' thing.
13th Sep '15 8:35:21 AM RookEncounte
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** What makes this really profound is that the framing of the story is the discovery of historical records of the declaration centuries later. The civilization now in existence finds it almost incomprehensible that they were so warlike, dropping the second major anvil: true devoted pacifism is possible on a large-scale level.
26th Aug '15 7:03:13 PM irrevenant
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** But ''Heinlein'' did not see ''The Forever War'' as being in any way the opposite of ''Starship Troopers'', and told Haldeman that he very much liked ''The Forever War''. Heinlein went out of his way to do that publicly.

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** But ''Heinlein'' did not see ''The Forever War'' as being in any way the opposite of ''Starship Troopers'', and told Haldeman that he very much liked ''The Forever War''. Heinlein went out of his way to do that publicly.publicly[[note]]Heinlein seems to have a rare ability to be anvilicious from a variety of different perspectives. It's hard to imagine the sort of mind that would write both Starship Troopers '''and''' StrangerInAStrangeLand[[/note]].
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