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16th Feb '17 8:17:07 PM laurasophie
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* ''Literature/CatchTwentyTwo'': War is insane. Furthermore, the only way to survive in war is to let yourself go crazy too (not that that's a guarantee of survival for the various characters in the novel). Ostensibly about UsefumNotes/WorldWarII, but there's a reason it was immensely popular during TheVietnamWar.

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* ''Literature/CatchTwentyTwo'': War is insane. Furthermore, And the only way to survive in war is to let yourself go people crazy enough to willingly participate in a war are the people far too (not that that's a guarantee of survival for the various characters in the novel). crazy to be trusted to make their own decisions. Ostensibly about UsefumNotes/WorldWarII, but there's a reason it was immensely popular during TheVietnamWar.
16th Feb '17 8:10:14 PM laurasophie
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* ''Literature/CatchTwentyTwo'': War makes you crazy. Ostensibly about UsefumNotes/WorldWarII, but there's a reason it was immensely popular during TheVietnamWar.

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* ''Literature/CatchTwentyTwo'': War makes you crazy.is insane. Furthermore, the only way to survive in war is to let yourself go crazy too (not that that's a guarantee of survival for the various characters in the novel). Ostensibly about UsefumNotes/WorldWarII, but there's a reason it was immensely popular during TheVietnamWar.
7th Jan '17 4:41:41 PM nombretomado
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* The ''WickedLovely'' series -- "There are always choices."

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* The ''WickedLovely'' ''Literature/WickedLovely'' series -- "There are always choices."
27th Oct '16 10:54:33 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' has many examples of these. The best may be the lines '"Bread!" boomed a man behind her. "We want bread, bastard!" In a heartbeat, a thousand voices took up the chant. King Joffrey and King Robb and King Stannis were forgotten, and King Bread ruled alone.'

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* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has many examples of these. The best may be the lines '"Bread!" boomed a man behind her. "We want bread, bastard!" In a heartbeat, a thousand voices took up the chant. King Joffrey and King Robb and King Stannis were forgotten, and King Bread ruled alone.'
8th Oct '16 8:47:50 PM Hadjorim
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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh.

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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn draw in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh.
8th Oct '16 8:47:05 PM Hadjorim
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** Orwell, like "Slavery is bad" from Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" from Chaplin's "Great Dictator" seems obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, subtle art. Though the point these novels were making may seem clearly obvious today, it's important to note that ''Animal Farm'' and ''1984'' were published in the 1940's, when Stalin was still regarded by a good deal of the general public in the West as a hero due to his support in World War II, and many members of the Western intelligentsia were enraptured by or at minimum genuinely sympathetic to the Communist Soviet political system. ''Animal Farm'' in particular was written during the War and initially had difficulty getting published because of pro-Soviet sentiment in Britain at the time. Also in ''Animal Farm'', [[FullCircleRevolution it's not very hard for one oppressive government to rise from the ashes of another]].

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** Orwell, Orwell's message, like "Slavery is bad" from Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" from Chaplin's "Great Dictator" Dictator", seems obvious today and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works.it was published. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, subtle art. Though the point these novels were making may seem clearly obvious today, it's important to note that ''Animal Farm'' and ''1984'' were published in the 1940's, when Stalin was still regarded by a good deal of the general public in the West as a hero due to his support in World War II, and many members of the Western intelligentsia were enraptured by or at minimum genuinely sympathetic to the Communist Soviet political system. ''Animal Farm'' in particular was written during the War and initially had difficulty getting published because of pro-Soviet sentiment in Britain at the time. Also in ''Animal Farm'', [[FullCircleRevolution it's not very hard for one oppressive government to rise from the ashes of another]].
8th Oct '16 8:46:24 PM Hadjorim
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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh. "Totalitarianism is bad." of Orwell like "Slavery is bad" of Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" of Chaplin's "Great Dictator" are obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, subtle art.\\\
Though the point these novels were making may seem clearly obvious today, it's important to note that ''Animal Farm'' and ''1984'' were published in the 1940's, when Stalin was still regarded by a good deal of the general public in the West as a hero due to his support in World War II, and many members of the Western intelligentsia were enraptured by or at minimum genuinely sympathetic to the Communist Soviet political system. ''Animal Farm'' in particular was written during the War and initially had difficulty getting published because of pro-Soviet sentiment in Britain at the time. Also in ''Animal Farm'', [[FullCircleRevolution it's not very hard for one oppressive government to rise from the ashes of another]].

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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh. "Totalitarianism is bad." of Orwell
** Orwell,
like "Slavery is bad" of from Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" of from Chaplin's "Great Dictator" are seems obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, subtle art.\\\
Though the point these novels were making may seem clearly obvious today, it's important to note that ''Animal Farm'' and ''1984'' were published in the 1940's, when Stalin was still regarded by a good deal of the general public in the West as a hero due to his support in World War II, and many members of the Western intelligentsia were enraptured by or at minimum genuinely sympathetic to the Communist Soviet political system. ''Animal Farm'' in particular was written during the War and initially had difficulty getting published because of pro-Soviet sentiment in Britain at the time. Also in ''Animal Farm'', [[FullCircleRevolution it's not very hard for one oppressive government to rise from the ashes of another]].
13th Sep '16 7:44:16 AM Gravidef
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** What makes this particularly effective is that [[spoiler: K.A. Applegate deliberately didn't have a grand, glorious final battle with the Animorphs finally triumphing--Rachel's death was done with a quick blow, and Jake's PTSD results in his choosing to kill nearly ''18,000'' defenseless Yeerks. When readers complained that the ending wasn't "cool" enough, Applegate took them to task by saying that the ''whole point of the books'' was the war isn't something to venerate or find fun--it's something that tears families apart, kills innocents, and destroys lives forever.]]

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** What makes this particularly effective is that [[spoiler: K.A. Applegate deliberately didn't have a grand, glorious final battle with the Animorphs finally triumphing--Rachel's death was done with a quick blow, the Yeerks surrender and peace is declared through negotiation, and Jake's PTSD results in his choosing to kill nearly ''18,000'' defenseless Yeerks. When some readers complained that the ending wasn't "cool" enough, Applegate took them to task by saying that the ''whole point of the books'' was the war isn't something to venerate or find fun--it's something that tears families apart, kills innocents, and destroys lives forever.]]
13th Sep '16 7:41:07 AM Gravidef
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** What makes this particularly effective is that [[spoiler: K.A. Applegate deliberately didn't have a grand, glorious final battle with the Animorphs finally triumphing--Rachel's death was done with a quick blow, and Jake's PTSD results in his choosing to kill nearly ''18,000'' defenseless Yeerks. When readers complained that the ending wasn't "cool" enough, Applegate took them to task by saying that the ''whole point of the books'' was the war isn't something to venerate or find fun--it's something that tears families apart, kills innocents, and destroys lives forever.]]
13th Sep '16 7:13:48 AM Gravidef
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** Also from ''The Lorax'': "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."

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** Also from ''The Lorax'': "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."" It's particularly effective because this is spoken to a child, implying that kids must care about the future if they want to keep the world from being devastated.



** ''The Butter Battle Book'' is about the Cold War arms race, of all things.

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** ''The Butter Battle Book'' is about both the pointlessness of war and [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids the Cold War arms race, race]], of all things.things. Two tribes called the Yooks and the Zooks are divided by a wall, and the societies can't get along because the Yooks eat their bread butter-side up, while the Zooks do the same butter-side ''down.'' Both groups start developing weapons to attack the other, a process which escalates until they independently develop the "Bitsy Big-Boy Boomeroo," a bomb capable of wiping out all life. The story ends with a child--the narrator--watching as his grandfather and the opposing side stand poised to drop their Boomeroos, begging for an answer: "Who'll drop it first?" It's a simple but powerful way of saying that wanting to kill someone or disliking a society simply because they're different from you is, for lack of a better term, completely ''stupid.''
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