History SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped / Literature

25th Aug '16 6:46:51 AM StFan
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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh. "Totalitarianism is bad." of Orwell like "Slavery is bad" of Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" of Chaplin's "Great Dictator" are obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, subtle art.
** Though the point these novels were making may seem clearly obvious today, it's important to note that ''Animal Farm'' and ''1984'' were published in the 1940's, when Stalin was still regarded by a good deal of the general public in the West as a hero due to his support in World War 2, and many members of the Western intelligentsia were enraptured by or at minimum genuinely sympathetic to the Communist Soviet political system. ''Animal Farm'' in particular was written during the War and initially had difficulty getting published because of pro-Soviet sentiment in Britain at the time.
** Also in ''Animal Farm'', [[FullCircleRevolution it's not very hard for one oppressive government to rise from the ashes of another]].

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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh. "Totalitarianism is bad." of Orwell like "Slavery is bad" of Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" of Chaplin's "Great Dictator" are obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, subtle art.
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Though the point these novels were making may seem clearly obvious today, it's important to note that ''Animal Farm'' and ''1984'' were published in the 1940's, when Stalin was still regarded by a good deal of the general public in the West as a hero due to his support in World War 2, II, and many members of the Western intelligentsia were enraptured by or at minimum genuinely sympathetic to the Communist Soviet political system. ''Animal Farm'' in particular was written during the War and initially had difficulty getting published because of pro-Soviet sentiment in Britain at the time.
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time. Also in ''Animal Farm'', [[FullCircleRevolution it's not very hard for one oppressive government to rise from the ashes of another]].



* Glen Cook's ''Literature/BlackCompany'' novels have a lot to say about warfare and human nature, particularly as depicted in HighFantasy. The first book strongly implies that most BlackAndWhiteMorality shown in HighFantasy is actually the result of history being written by the winners (who them portray themselves as the purest light, and their foes as blackest darkness). The Lady is a story of redemption, but also of GreyAndGrayMorality, as it is repeatedly emphasized that, while she may be evil, she is not nearly as evil as her husband.

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Glen Cook's ''Literature/BlackCompany'' novels have a lot to say about warfare and human nature, particularly as depicted in HighFantasy. The first book strongly implies that most BlackAndWhiteMorality shown in HighFantasy is actually the result of history being written by the winners (who them portray themselves as the purest light, and their foes as blackest darkness). The Lady is a story of redemption, but also of GreyAndGrayMorality, as it is repeatedly emphasized that, while she may be evil, she is not nearly as evil as her husband.
1st Jul '16 11:22:28 PM CaptEquinox
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* ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' has a number of {{Aesop}}s: DrugsAreBad; creating a SinisterSurveillance [[PoliceState State]] in the pursuit of a War on Drugs that results in no one trusting anyone else enough to form genuine attachments is just as bad; preying on the weak and powerless in order to profit from them is equally reprehensible. These are all delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but given that these problems continue in our society to this very day, they're a message that needs to be heard.

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* Creator/PhilipKDick's ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' has a number of {{Aesop}}s: DrugsAreBad; creating a SinisterSurveillance [[PoliceState State]] in the pursuit of a War on Drugs that results in no one trusting anyone else enough to form genuine attachments is just as bad; preying on the weak and powerless in order to profit from them is equally reprehensible. These are all delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but given that these problems continue in our society to this very day, they're a message that needs to be heard.
27th Jun '16 9:33:40 AM ShorinBJ
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** In the later books, there's the explicit message "You can't rely on your elders to have all the answers." As wise as they might seem, your parents and your mentors have probably made more mistakes than they'd like to admit, and not all of your teachers can be trusted to handle power responsibly. In the end, you can only rely on your own conscience.

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** In the later books, there's the explicit message "You can't rely on your elders to have all the answers." As wise as they might seem, your parents and your mentors have probably made more mistakes than they'd like to admit, and not all of your teachers can be trusted to handle power responsibly. Even Dumbledore makes mistakes, and when he sees Harry for the last time, he says "I have known, for some time now, that you are the better man." In the end, you can only rely on your own conscience.
30th May '16 4:34:38 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* ''TheSwordOfTruth'' is a DoorStopper twelve-book series of AuthorFilibuster from the fourth book on, about the evils of extreme Socialism and of the importance of individual rights and freedom. Although the D'Haran Empire under Richard is no less of an autocracy than the Imperial Order, it is one guided by a firm sense of individual liberty championing the idea that every individual should be the best that they can be, and should be free to benefit based on the effort they put in and the skills they possess, and how this benefits society as a whole. By contrast, people under the Imperial Order are living in absolute squalor, and there is a fear of being anything more than mediocre to avoid rising above anyone else and drawing undue attention and punishment from those in power, and how this drags down all of society with it.

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* ''TheSwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/TheSwordOfTruth'' is a DoorStopper twelve-book series of AuthorFilibuster from the fourth book on, about the evils of extreme Socialism and of the importance of individual rights and freedom. Although the D'Haran Empire under Richard is no less of an autocracy than the Imperial Order, it is one guided by a firm sense of individual liberty championing the idea that every individual should be the best that they can be, and should be free to benefit based on the effort they put in and the skills they possess, and how this benefits society as a whole. By contrast, people under the Imperial Order are living in absolute squalor, and there is a fear of being anything more than mediocre to avoid rising above anyone else and drawing undue attention and punishment from those in power, and how this drags down all of society with it.
22nd May '16 5:24:25 PM saffronpanther
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* ''Literature/TheObituaryWriter'', understandably, gets unsubtle about the need to move on after a great tragedy, such as the death of a loved one. But considering how easy it would be to cross the DespairEventHorizon and lose what's left of one's life, it's a fair point to make.
-->'''[[spoiler:Vivian]]''': I wasted thirteen years hoping he was alive somewhere. Thirteen years holding onto a dream.
-->'''[[spoiler:Claire]]''': But shouldn’t we hold onto our dreams?
-->'''[[spoiler:Vivian]]''': Not when they keep us from moving forward.
23rd Feb '16 7:06:11 PM Sabariel95
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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh. "Totalitarianism is bad." of Orwell like "Slavery is bad" of Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" of Chaplin's "Great Dictator" are obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, sublte art.

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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' and ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', both by Creator/GeorgeOrwell, with an anvil of "Totalitarianism is bad." You have the villains doing the horrible things they do ''literally'' ForTheEvulz. The thing is, like all examples on this page, ''it works.'' The world of 1984 is insanely horrifying and bleak, and yet disturbingly credible at the same time, with parallels that we all can drawn in the real world. Which means while the world is ridiculous, we're too scared to laugh. "Totalitarianism is bad." of Orwell like "Slavery is bad" of Harriet Bleecher-Stowe or "Hitler is bad" of Chaplin's "Great Dictator" are obvious and saying so in an unsubtle way may seem somewhat silly. Not so at the time of these works. These were times that needed strong, effective propaganda against these very real evils. These unsubtle works may have done more real good than any great, sublte subtle art.
15th Jan '16 12:00:34 PM Anddrix
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* A lot of Dickens falls under this heading. He gets away with his anvils because they're never based on the idea that [[ViewersAreMorons Readers Are Morons]] and need lessons in basic decency, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking they are always motivated by genuine passion, fury against real injustices, and a need to increase word count.]] There is a particularly powerful one in ''[[Literature/AChristmasCarol A Christmas Carol in Prose, Being a Ghost Story of Christmas]]'':

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* A lot of Dickens falls under this heading. He gets away with his anvils because they're never based on the idea that [[ViewersAreMorons Readers Are Morons]] Morons and need lessons in basic decency, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking they are always motivated by genuine passion, fury against real injustices, and a need to increase word count.]] There is a particularly powerful one in ''[[Literature/AChristmasCarol A Christmas Carol in Prose, Being a Ghost Story of Christmas]]'':
12th Dec '15 12:59:10 AM CassandraLeo
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* ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' has a number of {{Aesop}}s: DrugsAreBad; creating a sinister SurveillanceState in the pursuit of a War on Drugs that results in no one trusting anyone else enough to form genuine attachments is just as bad; preying on the weak and powerless in order to profit from them is equally reprehensible. These are all delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but given that these problems continue in our society to this very day, they're a message that needs to be heard.

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* ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' has a number of {{Aesop}}s: DrugsAreBad; creating a sinister SurveillanceState SinisterSurveillance [[PoliceState State]] in the pursuit of a War on Drugs that results in no one trusting anyone else enough to form genuine attachments is just as bad; preying on the weak and powerless in order to profit from them is equally reprehensible. These are all delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but given that these problems continue in our society to this very day, they're a message that needs to be heard.
11th Dec '15 11:54:53 PM CassandraLeo
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** The novels also aren't very subtle in the way the hellish treatment of women is depicted. But, given that many of the same things happen ''in our world to this very day'', this is the kind of thing many readers probably need to see.


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* ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' has a number of {{Aesop}}s: DrugsAreBad; creating a sinister SurveillanceState in the pursuit of a War on Drugs that results in no one trusting anyone else enough to form genuine attachments is just as bad; preying on the weak and powerless in order to profit from them is equally reprehensible. These are all delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but given that these problems continue in our society to this very day, they're a message that needs to be heard.
30th Sep '15 12:29:44 PM DDRMASTERM
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* ''Uncle Tom's Cabin'' basically consisted of Harriet Beecher Stowe gathering together a whole bunch of stories of actual people who were actually enslaved, then changing the names and adding in a plot to tie it together.

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* ''Uncle ''[[UncleTomsCabin Uncle Tom's Cabin'' Cabin]]'' basically consisted of Harriet Beecher Stowe gathering together a whole bunch of stories of actual people who were actually enslaved, then changing the names and adding in a plot to tie it together.
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