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** If a woman ''is'' the main character of your song, how much murder they do? Or how miserable they are at their current situation?
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* There are a range of firearms, depending on period and location. Flintlocks for 18th-century highwaymen, revolvers for 19th-century outlaws, Thompson and Sten guns for 20th-century Irish rebels.
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* There are a range of firearms, depending on period and location. Flintlocks for 18th-century highwaymen, revolvers for 19th-century outlaws, Armalites, Thompson and Sten guns for 20th-century Irish rebels.
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* HonorBeforeReason is a good one, especially in rebel and outlaw songs. The protagonist does not surrender against overwhelming odds -- he would rather die than give up his freedom.
* Lost love, in which one partner is murdered by the other or they are trying to find each other. There must be regret if murder occurs.
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* Good places to set a folksong:
** On the sea.
** Any seaport.
** Dublin, Belfast, Carrickfergus, Glencoe.
** If Australian, Gundagai. For travel songs, a long string of sheep-stations and river crossings is necessary.
** The mountains of Mourne or Wicklow.
** A well-known European battlefield, such as the Somme or Waterloo.
** A less-known European battlefield, such as St. Valery or Valenciennes.
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* A broken token such as a ring or badge, perhaps separated beforehand to give lovers something to remember each other by. At the end, they present their matching tokens to recognize each other.
* There are a range of firearms, depending on period and location. Flintlocks for 18th-century highwaymen, revolvers for 19th-century outlaws, Thompson and Sten guns for 20th-century Irish rebels.
* Hand weapons are typically knives (for murdering false loves) or pikes (for fighting in the 1798 Irish Rising).
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* Appropriate uniforms ([[SweetPollyOliver for the ladies]]) or dresses ([[UnplannedCrossdressing for the men]]) are common.
* If the song is Irish, a patriotic token is often necessary - a ribbon, a shamrock, or badge. A flag may be wrapped around the protagonist.
* The woman in a love song may wear a green or yellow ribbon to remember her love by.
* [[ManInAKilt Plaides]], especially in songs about Scottish regiments.
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* What does your protagonist do for a living? He might be a soldier, sailor (especially a whaler), logger, miner, [[DeterminedHomesteader homesteader]], [[TheHighwayman outlaw]], moonshiner, or rebel against the perfidious English.
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* What does your protagonist do for a living? He might be a soldier, sailor (especially a whaler), logger, miner, [[DeterminedHomesteader homesteader]], [[TheHighwayman outlaw]], moonshiner, [[HillbillyMoonshiner moonshiner]], or rebel against the perfidious English.
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** "My name is (whatever), I'm a (profession)."
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* The protagonist should have a dangerous and poorly-paid profession. If a civilian, it should also be back-breakingly strenuous. The exceptions are usually unlawful.
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* The protagonist should have a dangerous dangerous, physically strenuous, and poorly-paid profession. If a civilian, it should also be back-breakingly strenuous. The exceptions are usually unlawful.profession.
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* The song should begin with one of the following lines:
** "It was in eighteen-hundred and (insert date here)."
** "Come all you bold (whatevers) and list to my song."
** "As I was a-walking down by (wherever)."
* With regards to time periods, it should begin one morning in May, though June and bleak December are okay in a pinch.
** "It was in eighteen-hundred and (insert date here)."
** "Come all you bold (whatevers) and list to my song."
** "As I was a-walking down by (wherever)."
* With regards to time periods, it should begin one morning in May, though June and bleak December are okay in a pinch.
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* How will someone die in your song? [[AlwaysMurder Murder]] is the most common option, but others include execution and [[IncurableCoughOfDeath undescribed illness]].
* What does your protagonist do for a living? He might be a soldier, sailor, logger, miner, [[DeterminedHomesteader homesteader]], [[TheHighwayman outlaw]], moonshiner, or rebel against the perfidious English.
* Where does the story take place? The ocean is always popular, as are pretty much any town or mountain in Ireland, Scotland or the American West. Common specific locations include Botany Bay and Dublin.
* What does your protagonist do for a living? He might be a soldier, sailor, logger, miner, [[DeterminedHomesteader homesteader]], [[TheHighwayman outlaw]], moonshiner, or rebel against the perfidious English.
* Where does the story take place? The ocean is always popular, as are pretty much any town or mountain in Ireland, Scotland or the American West. Common specific locations include Botany Bay and Dublin.
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* How will someone die in your song? [[AlwaysMurder Murder]] is the most common option, but others other possibilities include execution execution, suicide, drowning, [[IFoughtTheLawAndTheLawWon fighting the law]] and [[IncurableCoughOfDeath undescribed illness]].
illness]] (this last is especially good for spurned lovers).
* What does your protagonist do for a living? He might be a soldier,sailor, sailor (especially a whaler), logger, miner, [[DeterminedHomesteader homesteader]], [[TheHighwayman outlaw]], moonshiner, or rebel against the perfidious English.
* Where does the story take place? The ocean is always popular, as are pretty much anytown fair, town, valley or mountain in Ireland, Scotland or the American West. Common specific locations include Botany Bay Bay, Carrickfergus and Dublin.
Dublin.
* How are women portrayed -- do they [[IWillWaitForYou wait for their lover]] to return from his adventures, or does [[AbsenceMakesTheHeartGoYonder absence make the heart go yonder]]? Do they betray their lover, or murder their baby? Are they [[SweetPollyOliver disguised]]?
* What does your protagonist do for a living? He might be a soldier,
* Where does the story take place? The ocean is always popular, as are pretty much any
* How are women portrayed -- do they [[IWillWaitForYou wait for their lover]] to return from his adventures, or does [[AbsenceMakesTheHeartGoYonder absence make the heart go yonder]]? Do they betray their lover, or murder their baby? Are they [[SweetPollyOliver disguised]]?
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* The song should not be set in:
** The White House.
** Paris.
** A private jet or yacht.
* Job categories not found in folksong:
** Insurance.
** Government (except for prison guards).
** Banking (unless robbery is involved).
** White-collar crime.
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* What does your protagonist do for a living? He could might be a soldier, sailor, logger, miner, highwayman, [[DeterminedHomesteader homesteader]], [[TheHighwayman outlaw]], moonshiner, or rebel against the perfidious English.
* Where does the story take place? The ocean is always popular, as are pretty much any town or mountain in Ireland, Scotland or the American West. Common specific locations include Botany Bay and Dublin.
* Where does the story take place? The ocean is always popular, as are pretty much any town or mountain in Ireland, Scotland or the American West. Common specific locations include Botany Bay and Dublin.
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Wait a minute, aren't folk songs traditionally written anonymously?
Well, yeah, but someone had to think them up. This is a tongue-in-cheek guide to some of the more prominent tropes and concepts.
Well, yeah, but someone had to think them up. This is a tongue-in-cheek guide to some of the more prominent tropes and concepts.
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Wait a minute, aren't [[Main/FolkMusic folk songs songs]] traditionally written anonymously?
Well, yeah, but someone had to think them up. This is a tongue-in-cheek guide to some of themore prominent most common tropes and concepts.
Well, yeah, but someone had to think them up. This is a tongue-in-cheek guide to some of the
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Wait a minute, aren't folk songs traditionally written anonymously?
Well, yeah, but someone had to think them up. This is a tongue-in-cheek guide to some of the more prominent tropes and concepts.
Well, yeah, but someone had to think them up. This is a tongue-in-cheek guide to some of the more prominent tropes and concepts.
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* Unless it's a comedic song, and sometimes even then, ''someone has to die''.
* It should involve strong drink. Especially if it's Irish.
* The protagonist should have a dangerous and poorly-paid profession. If a civilian, it should also be back-breakingly strenuous. The exceptions are usually unlawful.
* Romance is always good, but is commonly played with -- the lover is missing, dead, or disguised.
* Criminal actions are common, in which the protagonist is a rebel, smuggler or highwayman.
* The chorus should ''either'' repeat half the words of the previous verse, or consist of lilting ("toorali-oorali-oorali-ay"), or both together.
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* How will someone die in your song? [[AlwaysMurder Murder]] is the most common option, but others include execution and [[IncurableCoughOfDeath undescribed illness]].
* What does your protagonist do for a living? He could be a soldier, sailor, logger, miner, highwayman, moonshiner, or rebel against the perfidious English.
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!'''Necessary Tropes'''
!'''Choices, Choices'''
!'''Pitfalls'''
!'''Potential Subversions'''
!'''Writers' Lounge'''
!!'''Suggested Themes and Aesops'''
!!'''Potential Motifs'''
!!'''Suggested Plots'''
!'''Departments'''
!!'''Set Designer''' / '''Location Scout'''
!!'''Props Department'''
!!'''Costume Designer'''
!!'''Casting Director'''
!!'''Stunt Department'''
!'''Extra Credit'''
!!'''The Greats'''
!!'''The Epic Fails'''
