History SoYouWantTo / AvoidUnfortunateImplications

2nd Dec '17 2:45:46 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Do not apply AlwaysChaoticEvil to ''any'' group of sapient beings -- race, ethnicity, nationality, age group, religion, gender, sexuality, species (whether you are writing SpeculativeFiction or not), etc. Ever. Even ideological movements populated by large numbers of true believers, or active conformists, inevitably have a handful of inactive conformists or quiet dissenters. Even ''[[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons the Wehrmacht]]'' had a handful of senior commanders who couldn't have been hung for War Crimes (admittedly among hundreds), and several actively good people were party members. For example, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] helped protect Chinese civilians in Nanking/Nanjing during the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler Oskar Schindler]] protected Jews from enslavement, rental, and death during UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gert_Fr%C3%B6be Gert Fröbe]] (who's now known for his postwar acting career in movies like ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'') also helped Jews escape.

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* Do not apply AlwaysChaoticEvil to ''any'' group of sapient beings -- race, ethnicity, nationality, age group, religion, gender, sexuality, species (whether you are writing SpeculativeFiction or not), etc. Ever. Even ideological movements populated by large numbers of true believers, or active conformists, inevitably have a handful of inactive conformists or quiet dissenters. Even ''[[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons the Wehrmacht]]'' had a handful of senior commanders who couldn't have been hung for War Crimes (admittedly among hundreds), and several actively good people were party members. For example, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] helped protect Chinese civilians in Nanking/Nanjing [[UsefulNotes/WhyMaoChangedHisName Nanking/Nanjing]] during the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler Oskar Schindler]] protected Jews from enslavement, rental, and death during UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust (as depicted in ''Film/SchindlersList''), and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gert_Fr%C3%B6be org/wiki/Gert_Fröbe Gert Fröbe]] (who's now known for his postwar acting career in movies like ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'') also helped Jews escape.
21st Nov '17 9:39:26 AM WaterBlap
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** Is it for RapeAsRedemption? Unless you do not care about being called out, censored or sued, avoid using the variant where someone is raped and this makes him or her "realize" how much he or she was engaging in risky behaviour, needs to settle down, acting provocatively etc... Any justification you may come up with will most likely fall flat on its face. Please note that victim-blaming is ''extremely'' likely to offend the audience, and even more so in the context of rape; the only possibly workable exceptions may be the UnreliableNarrator or a highly skillful BlackComedy. The rape or realization thereof being the HeelRealization moment for the ''rapist'' ''may'' be workable, ''as long as the victim is not being blamed by the narrative and the act of rape is not idealized or glorified or somehow sympathetic,'' '''''and''''' ''the victim doesn't exist solely for the redemption of the rapist.''

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** Is it for RapeAsRedemption? RapePortrayedAsRedemption? Unless you do not care about being called out, censored or sued, avoid using the variant where someone is raped and this makes him or her "realize" how much he or she was engaging in risky behaviour, needs to settle down, acting provocatively etc... Any justification you may come up with will most likely fall flat on its face. Please note that victim-blaming is ''extremely'' likely to offend the audience, and even more so in the context of rape; the only possibly workable exceptions may be the UnreliableNarrator or a highly skillful BlackComedy. The rape or realization thereof being the HeelRealization moment for the ''rapist'' ''may'' be workable, ''as long as the victim is not being blamed by the narrative and the act of rape is not idealized or glorified or somehow sympathetic,'' '''''and''''' ''the victim doesn't exist solely for the redemption of the rapist.''
17th Nov '17 11:32:26 PM Twiddler
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* AcceptableTargets won't be seen as such by everyone. No matter how acceptable you believe the target is, you should not be surprised if some of your audience disagrees. At the *very* least, expect members of that acceptable target group to be offended.

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* AcceptableTargets won't be seen as such by everyone. No matter how acceptable you believe the target is, you should not be surprised if some of your audience disagrees. At the *very* ''very'' least, expect members of that acceptable target group to be offended.
1st Oct '17 1:03:28 PM Piterpicher
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** Suicide and suicidal thoughts may be the ultimate act of violence to oneself, but most suicidal people ''aren't'' a risk to anyone other than themselves, unless somehow interrupted mid-suicide ''and'' armed with a lethal weapon like a gun. This is actually one of the worst depictions with [[TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs some of the worst implications possible]] - portraying suicidal people as evil, dangerous, or only capable of being dealt with by professionals encourages people who believe these depictions to abandon them out of fear rather than be what they need most - friends who can watch out for them and discuss their feelings without judgment or the threat of arrest and incarceration.

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** Suicide and suicidal thoughts may be the ultimate act of violence to oneself, but most suicidal people ''aren't'' a risk to anyone other than themselves, unless somehow interrupted mid-suicide ''and'' armed with a lethal weapon like a gun. This is actually one of the worst depictions with [[TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs [[JustForFun/TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs some of the worst implications possible]] - portraying suicidal people as evil, dangerous, or only capable of being dealt with by professionals encourages people who believe these depictions to abandon them out of fear rather than be what they need most - friends who can watch out for them and discuss their feelings without judgment or the threat of arrest and incarceration.
11th Aug '17 4:34:24 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Do not apply AlwaysChaoticEvil to ''any'' group of sapient beings -- race, ethnicity, nationality, age group, religion, gender, sexuality, species (whether you are writing SpeculativeFiction or not), etc. Ever. Even ideological movements populated by large numbers of true believers, or active conformists, inevitably have a handful of inactive conformists or quiet dissenters. Even ''[[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons the Wehrmacht]]'' had a handful of senior commanders who couldn't have been hung for War Crimes (admittedly among hundreds), and several actively good people were party members. For example, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] helped protect Chinese civilians in Nanking/Nanjing during the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler Oskar Schindler]] protected Jews from enslavement, rental, and death during UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gert_Fr%C3%B6be Gert Fröbe]] (who's now known for his postwar acting career in movies like ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'') also helped Jews escape.)

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* Do not apply AlwaysChaoticEvil to ''any'' group of sapient beings -- race, ethnicity, nationality, age group, religion, gender, sexuality, species (whether you are writing SpeculativeFiction or not), etc. Ever. Even ideological movements populated by large numbers of true believers, or active conformists, inevitably have a handful of inactive conformists or quiet dissenters. Even ''[[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons the Wehrmacht]]'' had a handful of senior commanders who couldn't have been hung for War Crimes (admittedly among hundreds), and several actively good people were party members. For example, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] helped protect Chinese civilians in Nanking/Nanjing during the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler Oskar Schindler]] protected Jews from enslavement, rental, and death during UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gert_Fr%C3%B6be Gert Fröbe]] (who's now known for his postwar acting career in movies like ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'') also helped Jews escape.)
escape.
11th Aug '17 4:33:24 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Do not apply AlwaysChaoticEvil to ''any'' group of sapient beings [[note]] race, ethnicity, nationality, age (young or old), religion, gender, sexuality, sexual orientation, species (whether you are writing SpeculativeFiction or not) [[/note]]. Ever. Even ideological movements populated by large numbers of true believers, or active conformists, inevitably have a handful of inactive conformists or quiet dissenters - even ''[[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons the Wehrmacht]]'' had a handful of senior commanders who couldn't have been hung for War Crimes (admittedly among hundreds), and several actively good people were party members [[note]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] helped protect Chinese civilians in Nanking/Nanjing during the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler Oskar Schindler]] protected Jews from enslavement, rental, and death during UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gert_Fr%C3%B6be Gert Fröbe]] (who's now known for his postwar acting career in movies like ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'' also helped Jews escape [[/note]].

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* Do not apply AlwaysChaoticEvil to ''any'' group of sapient beings [[note]] -- race, ethnicity, nationality, age (young or old), group, religion, gender, sexuality, sexual orientation, species (whether you are writing SpeculativeFiction or not) [[/note]].not), etc. Ever. Even ideological movements populated by large numbers of true believers, or active conformists, inevitably have a handful of inactive conformists or quiet dissenters - even dissenters. Even ''[[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons the Wehrmacht]]'' had a handful of senior commanders who couldn't have been hung for War Crimes (admittedly among hundreds), and several actively good people were party members [[note]] members. For example, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] helped protect Chinese civilians in Nanking/Nanjing during the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler Oskar Schindler]] protected Jews from enslavement, rental, and death during UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gert_Fr%C3%B6be Gert Fröbe]] (who's now known for his postwar acting career in movies like ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'' ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'') also helped Jews escape [[/note]].
escape.)
5th Aug '17 1:09:07 PM SeptimusHeap
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5th Aug '17 1:09:03 PM SeptimusHeap
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* Be ''very'' careful in regard to children or young teenagers (or childlike looking characters) and how you choose to depict them. The TokenMiniMoe, the Really700YearsOld childlike, and the underage-looking {{Uke}} may be nigh-omnipresent characters especially in {{anime}}, {{manga}}, and VisualNovels, but often these characters are created solely to pander to a [[{{lolicon}} specific]] [[{{shotacon}} demographic]], one you may not want your work associated with (or one you may not want associating with your work or yourself). If there is no valid plot or setting reason[[note]]e.g. DeliberateValuesDissonance as applied to mediaeval fantasy[[/note]] for their existence beyond a HandWave created just so they can be there, at least consider the idea of making the character an older teenager or an adult instead, ''especially'' if the character is portrayed as sexually available.

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* Be ''very'' careful in regard to children or young teenagers (or childlike looking characters) and how you choose to depict them. The TokenMiniMoe, the Really700YearsOld childlike, and the underage-looking {{Uke}} may be nigh-omnipresent characters especially in {{anime}}, {{manga}}, and VisualNovels, but often these characters are created solely to pander to a [[{{lolicon}} specific]] [[{{shotacon}} [[LoliconAndShotacon specific demographic]], one you may not want your work associated with (or one you may not want associating with your work or yourself). If there is no valid plot or setting reason[[note]]e.g. DeliberateValuesDissonance as applied to mediaeval fantasy[[/note]] for their existence beyond a HandWave created just so they can be there, at least consider the idea of making the character an older teenager or an adult instead, ''especially'' if the character is portrayed as sexually available.
6th Jul '17 5:50:24 AM GeekyBinka
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* Consider who you are putting at the center of the story. Is it reasonable for a MightyWhitey outsider to take leadership and save the day rather than native leaders with lots of experience of solving problems on their own turf? Remember that characters do not necessarily have to be white, male, or heterosexual. Every culture has something to share, and having a more variegated cast adds a more diverse outlook on life. And [[LeadYouCanRelateTo main characters]] [[WhiteMaleLead are one of the least likely character types to be members of a minority]], which can send unfortunate implications that the straight white male perspective is the most important or the 'default', so at least consider varying the POV character a little.

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* Consider who you are putting at the center of the story. Is it reasonable for a MightyWhitey outsider to take leadership and save the day rather than native leaders with lots of experience of solving problems on their own turf? Remember that characters do not necessarily have to be white, male, white or heterosexual. Every culture has something to share, and having a more variegated cast adds a more diverse outlook on life. And [[LeadYouCanRelateTo main characters]] [[WhiteMaleLead are one of the least likely character types to be members of a minority]], which can send unfortunate implications that the straight white male perspective is the most important or the 'default', so at least consider varying the POV character a little.



* Do be aware that the attempt to avoid ''some'' UnfortunateImplications can create ''others,'' and occasionally worse ones. For example, if you aren't careful picking a victim character to avoid BlackDudeDiesFirst or DisposableWoman or BuryYourGays, you can end up with one of the ones you ''didn't'' pick if that applies. Trying too severely to avoid the UnfortunateImplications in GetBackInTheCloset and HideYourLesbians and similar tropes can backfire into AllGaysArePromiscuous, and vice versa. Misogynist or sexist toward women unfortunate implications are a huge minefield for this - carelessly trying to avert them without an idea of why they are problematic can make a work seem misandrist and applying DoubleStandards - with racial implications being similar (e.g. having the white guy do the UncleTomfoolery in a case of PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy doesn't instantly make it not-racist).

* Have multiple, varied examples of any given minority. [[Disney/{{Pocahontas}} If you must make the tribe chief bigoted and aggressive, make his daughter compassionate and open-minded]]. If your female protagonist is a proud warrior who's never picked up a saucepan in her life, place her alongside a peer or authority figure who's typically, confidently feminine- and whose personal agency ''doesn't'' [[RealWomenNeverWearDresses suffer]] for it. Increasing the emotional diversity of whatever group you're focusing on is the easiest way to avoid stereotyping- and create new plot opportunities, as well.

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* Do be aware that the attempt to avoid ''some'' UnfortunateImplications can create ''others,'' and occasionally worse ones. For example, if you aren't careful picking a victim character to avoid BlackDudeDiesFirst or DisposableWoman or BuryYourGays, you can end up with one of the ones you ''didn't'' pick if that applies. Trying too severely to avoid the UnfortunateImplications in GetBackInTheCloset and HideYourLesbians and similar tropes can backfire into AllGaysArePromiscuous, and vice versa. Misogynist or sexist toward women unfortunate implications are a huge minefield for this - carelessly trying to avert them without an idea of why they are problematic can make a work seem misandrist and applying DoubleStandards versa - with racial implications being similar (e.g. having the white guy do the UncleTomfoolery in a case of PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy doesn't instantly make it not-racist).

* Have multiple, varied examples of any given minority. [[Disney/{{Pocahontas}} If you must make the tribe chief bigoted and aggressive, make his daughter compassionate and open-minded]]. If your female protagonist is a proud warrior who's never picked up a saucepan in her life, place her alongside a peer or authority figure who's typically, confidently feminine- and whose personal agency ''doesn't'' [[RealWomenNeverWearDresses suffer]] for it. Increasing the emotional diversity of whatever group you're focusing on is the easiest way to avoid stereotyping- and create new plot opportunities, as well.



** There are definitely examples of works set in TheDungAges-based fantasy worlds which use the misogyny and racism of their settings to skewer the way these operate in the real world, but there are also definitely examples of these sorts of stories which use oppression as superficial window-dressing [[DarkerAndEdgier to indicate that it's 'gritty']] (or even as titillation). There isn't any reason to automatically assume a world where people can breathe underwater, walk on clouds, shoot fireballs out of their nostrils and use dragon dung as currency would have the exact same sexual and racial politics as 1950s America, and doing this would suggest, at least, a failure of your own imagination.

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** There are definitely examples of works set in TheDungAges-based fantasy worlds which use the misogyny and racism of their settings to skewer the way these operate in the real world, but there are also definitely examples of these sorts of stories which use oppression as superficial window-dressing [[DarkerAndEdgier to indicate that it's 'gritty']] (or even as titillation). There isn't any reason to automatically assume a world where people can breathe underwater, walk on clouds, shoot fireballs out of their nostrils and use dragon dung as currency would have the exact same sexual and racial politics as 1950s America, and doing this would suggest, at least, a failure of your own imagination.
24th Jun '17 1:27:18 AM MAI742
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* Do not apply AlwaysChaoticEvil to a race, ethnicity, nationality, age (young or old), religion, gender, sexuality, sexual orientation, species (whether you are writing SpeculativeFiction or not), or groups of sentient beings in general. It can be less problematically applied to an institution or corporation or movement or whatever, but even with that, be careful to specify that every being in, say, a nation, does not belong to that group. Most Germans in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII weren't Nazis, for example. It's also good characterization not to make every single member of an organization [[CardCarryingVillain flat-out evil]] or monstrous, as that rarely is the case in real life. Hell, even the Nazi Party had its good eggs, including [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] (who helped protect Chinese civilians in Nanking/Nanjing during the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar), [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler Oskar Schindler]] (who worked tirelessly to help Jews escape UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, as depicted in ''Film/SchindlersList''), and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gert_Fr%C3%B6be Gert Fröbe]] (who's now known for his postwar acting career in movies like ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'', but before that, he used his position in the Nazi Party to help Jews escape much like Schindler did).

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* Do not apply AlwaysChaoticEvil to a ''any'' group of sapient beings [[note]] race, ethnicity, nationality, age (young or old), religion, gender, sexuality, sexual orientation, species (whether you are writing SpeculativeFiction or not), not) [[/note]]. Ever. Even ideological movements populated by large numbers of true believers, or groups active conformists, inevitably have a handful of sentient beings in general. It can be less problematically applied to an institution inactive conformists or corporation or movement or whatever, but quiet dissenters - even with that, be careful to specify that every being in, say, ''[[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons the Wehrmacht]]'' had a nation, does not belong to that group. Most Germans in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII weren't Nazis, handful of senior commanders who couldn't have been hung for example. It's also War Crimes (admittedly among hundreds), and several actively good characterization not to make every single member of an organization [[CardCarryingVillain flat-out evil]] or monstrous, as that rarely is the case in real life. Hell, even the Nazi Party had its good eggs, including people were party members [[note]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe John Rabe]] (who helped protect Chinese civilians in Nanking/Nanjing during the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar), UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler Oskar Schindler]] (who worked tirelessly to help protected Jews escape from enslavement, rental, and death during UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, as depicted in ''Film/SchindlersList''), and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gert_Fr%C3%B6be Gert Fröbe]] (who's now known for his postwar acting career in movies like ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'', but before that, he used his position in the Nazi Party to help ''Film/ChittyChittyBangBang'' also helped Jews escape much like Schindler did).
[[/note]].
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