History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / WebOriginal

9th Jun '18 9:56:07 PM BunnyStar
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* Many object shows like WebAnimation/BattleForDreamIsland and WebAnimation/InanimateInsanity lie firmly planted in the middle.
20th May '18 5:19:31 PM BunnyStar
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* ''WebAnimation/HanazukiFullOfTreasures is firmly planted on the idealistic side.

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* ''WebAnimation/HanazukiFullOfTreasures ''WebAnimation/HanazukiFullOfTreasures'' is firmly planted on the idealistic side.
20th May '18 5:18:39 PM BunnyStar
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* Despite looking like a cute, colorful kids show, ''WebAnimation/HappyTreeFriends'' is very firmly planted on the cynical side for all of its gore and death.


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* ''WebAnimation/HanazukiFullOfTreasures is firmly planted on the idealistic side.
19th May '18 5:27:46 AM mariofan1000
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* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' ends up somewhere in the middle. The writing is much more cynical than [[Anime/DragonBallZ the source material]], with most of the characters being [[AdaptationalJerkass generally nastier and unpleasant]], the universe essentially running on borrowed time because [[EldrichAbomination Mr. Popo]] is too high to destroy it, it deconstructs many aspects of the original series such as Goku's questionable parenting of Gohan, and there are a lot of BlackComedy gags such as various innocent characters getting killed or [[spoiler: Yamcha in Future Trunks' timeline committing suicide.]] However, all that said, its still based on ''Dragon Ball Z'', a highly idealistic show where the good guys always win, DefeatMeansFriendship, and where ThePowerOfFriendship can save the day, and the show never really contradicts any of those themes - It's just given a more cynical shell.

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* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' ends up somewhere in the middle. The writing is much more cynical than [[Anime/DragonBallZ the source material]], with most of the characters being [[AdaptationalJerkass generally nastier and unpleasant]], the universe essentially running on borrowed time because [[EldrichAbomination [[EldritchAbomination Mr. Popo]] is too high to destroy it, it deconstructs many aspects of the original series such as Goku's questionable parenting of Gohan, and there are a lot of BlackComedy gags such as various innocent characters getting killed or [[spoiler: Yamcha in Future Trunks' timeline committing suicide.]] However, all that said, its still based on ''Dragon Ball Z'', a highly idealistic show where the good guys always win, DefeatMeansFriendship, and where ThePowerOfFriendship can save the day, and the show never really contradicts any of those themes - It's just given a more cynical shell.
18th May '18 5:32:30 PM mariofan1000
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* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' ends up somewhere in the middle. The writing is much more cynical than [[Anime/DragonBallZ the source material]], with most of the characters being [[AdaptationalJerkass generally nastier and unpleasant]], the universe essentially running on borrowed time because [[EldrichAbomination Mr. Popo]] is too high to destroy it, it deconstructs many aspects of the original series such as Goku's questionable parenting of Gohan, and there are a lot of BlackComedy gags such as various innocent characters getting killed or [[spoiler: Yamcha in Future Trunks' timeline committing suicide.]] However, all that said, its still based on ''Dragon Ball Z'', a highly idealistic show where the good guys always win, DefeatMeansFriendship, and where ThePowerOfFriendship can save the day, and the show never really contradicts any of those themes - It's just given a more cynical shell.
19th Apr '18 5:48:58 AM Tyk5919
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* This is [[DiscussedTrope discussed]] in ''Literature/TheCityOfNever'', conveniently between [[TheCynic Michael Seer]] and [[WideEyedIdealist Mathilda Summerwood]]. The story itself deconstruct the concepts as a whole, exploring that while life isn't perfect and ''shouldn't'' be perfect, there's no reason to wallow in misery either, and that it's basic human instinct to survive, [[ApocalypseHow regardless of the situation that occurs in the story]].



* Worm occupies an odd place; on one hand the heroes can be incompetent and or corrupt and harsh actions are needed; on the other hand it's shown that an over reliance on an ends justifies the means mentality is precisely why the world's a complete mess (the evil conspiracy's only accomplishments were during their more benevolent phase, with their actions in the malevolent phase either not accomplishing shit or making the world worse.)

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* Worm ''{{Worm}}'' occupies an odd place; on one hand the heroes can be incompetent and or corrupt and harsh actions are needed; on the other hand it's shown that an over reliance on an ends justifies the means mentality is precisely why the world's a complete mess (the evil conspiracy's only accomplishments were during their more benevolent phase, with their actions in the malevolent phase either not accomplishing shit or making the world worse.)
31st Aug '17 1:23:59 AM LordYAM
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* Worm occupies an odd place; on one hand the heroes can be incompetent and or corrupt and harsh actions are needed; on the other hand it's shown that an over reliance on an ends justifies the means mentality is precisely why the world's a complete mess (the evil conspiracy's only accomplishments were during their more benevolent phase, with their actions in the malevolent phase either not accomplishing shit or making the world worse.)
16th Aug '17 6:30:38 PM MagiMecha
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** By the time Volume 4, things seem to head back into the idealistic side of things: [[spoiler: Ruby is ultimately unwavering in her idealistic beliefs and is still striving to make them work, Weiss finally abandons her father after losing everything, Blake is given the verbal DopeSlap for her running away antics and seeks to reclaim White Fang from Adam Taurus and Yang is rebuilt physically and mentally and she rushes out to hunt down her wayward sister.]]
9th Apr '17 1:36:10 PM nombretomado
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* ''SailorNothing'' occupies an odd place -- it's ''far'' grimmer than its inspiration ''Franchise/SailorMoon'', but ultimately has a core of idealism. ThePowerOfFriendship plays an important role in keeping the heroine together, and [[spoiler:the key to defeating the BigBad ultimately turns out to be ''forgiveness'']].

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* ''SailorNothing'' ''Literature/SailorNothing'' occupies an odd place -- it's ''far'' grimmer than its inspiration ''Franchise/SailorMoon'', but ultimately has a core of idealism. ThePowerOfFriendship plays an important role in keeping the heroine together, and [[spoiler:the key to defeating the BigBad ultimately turns out to be ''forgiveness'']].
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