History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / AnimeAndManga

24th Oct '16 10:21:58 PM Gamermaster
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* The MagicalGirl genre is idealistic. ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'', as mentioned under VideoGames, is idealistic. [[MixAndMatch Put them together]] and you get ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', where [[AntiVillain villains who can be redeemed]] [[HeelFaceTurn will be redeemed]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship after they get beaten around a bit]], [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman anyone who acts human will be treated as a person]] regardless of how [[CloningBlues they]] [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots were]] [[{{Cyborg}} born]], all [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned]] and {{artificial|Human}} children will eventually find a loving family they can go home to, and all {{Smug Snake}}s will receive a well-deserved (and painful) end.

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* The MagicalGirl genre is idealistic. ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'', as mentioned under VideoGames, is idealistic. [[MixAndMatch Put them together]] and you get ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', where [[AntiVillain villains who can be redeemed]] [[HeelFaceTurn will be redeemed]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship after they get beaten around a bit]], [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman anyone who acts human will be treated as a person]] regardless of how [[CloningBlues they]] [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots were]] [[{{Cyborg}} born]], all [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned]] and {{artificial|Human}} children will eventually find [[HappilyAdopted a loving family they can go home to, to]], and all {{Smug Snake}}s will receive a well-deserved (and painful) end.
29th Sep '16 10:06:36 AM Monolaf317
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* Being a {{shonen}}, ''Manga/OsomatsuKun'' fell mostly onto the idealistic side. Its sequel, ''Anime/OsomatsuSan'', one the other hand, falls onto the cynical side. The brothers are now BeadyEyedLoser {{Manchild}} {{NEET}}s [[{{Dismotivation}} that stay that way]] in a ComedicSociopathy-ridden show.
21st Sep '16 5:50:36 AM matteste
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* The works of Koichi Ohata have a few genuinely good examples of anime of being very, very cynical to the point they could be considered nihilistic. ''Genocyber'' and ''Anime/MDGeist'' are both the most notable items.

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* The works of Koichi Ohata have a few genuinely good examples of anime of being very, very cynical to the point they could be considered nihilistic. ''Genocyber'' ''Anime/{{Genocyber}}'' and ''Anime/MDGeist'' are both the most notable items.items. ''Anime/CyberneticsGuardian'' however by contrast ends up much more idealistic than his usual fare.
16th Sep '16 10:26:46 AM FF32
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* Like ''Anime/{{Akira}}'', ''Anime/KotouraSan'' starts out on the incredibly cynical side of the spectrum, but gradually becomes more and more idealistic as the TwelveEpisodeAnime progresses on.

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* Like ''Anime/{{Akira}}'', ''Manga/{{Akira}}'', ''Anime/KotouraSan'' starts out on the incredibly cynical side of the spectrum, but gradually becomes more and more idealistic as the TwelveEpisodeAnime progresses on.
4th Sep '16 5:54:16 PM Knightofbalance
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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has quite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' [[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[DeconReconSwitch ''Eva'' and ''FLCL's'']] [[SpiritualSuccessor child.]]

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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has quite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' [[UpToEleven broke the scale again and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[DeconReconSwitch ''Eva'' Eva and ''FLCL's'']] FLCL's]] [[SpiritualSuccessor child.]]
4th Sep '16 5:52:58 PM Knightofbalance
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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has quite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' [[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualSuccessor ''Eva'' and ''FLCL's'']] [[DeconReconSwitch child.]]

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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has quite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' [[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualSuccessor [[DeconReconSwitch ''Eva'' and ''FLCL's'']] [[DeconReconSwitch [[SpiritualSuccessor child.]]
4th Sep '16 5:52:11 PM Knightofbalance
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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has quite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' [[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualAntithesis Eva]] [[SpiritualSuccessor and FlCL's]] [[DeconReconSwitch child.]]

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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has quite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' [[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualAntithesis Eva]] [[SpiritualSuccessor ''Eva'' and FlCL's]] ''FLCL's'']] [[DeconReconSwitch child.]]
4th Sep '16 5:51:10 PM Knightofbalance
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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has guite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' [[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualAntithesis Eva]] [[SpiritualSuccessor and FlCL's]] [[DeconReconSwitch child.]]

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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has guite quite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' [[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualAntithesis Eva]] [[SpiritualSuccessor and FlCL's]] [[DeconReconSwitch child.]]
4th Sep '16 5:50:31 PM Knightofbalance
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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has guite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke teh scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' b[[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualAntithesis Eva]] [[SpiritualSuccessor and FlCL's]] [[DeconReconSwitch child.]]

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*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has guite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke teh the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' b[[UpToEleven [[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualAntithesis Eva]] [[SpiritualSuccessor and FlCL's]] [[DeconReconSwitch child.]]
4th Sep '16 5:48:47 PM Knightofbalance
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** In all actuality, ''Anime/{{FLCL}}'' (Also made by Studio Gainax) is more akin to being the ''Anti-Eva'' since [[WhiteAndGrayMorality there is no defined villian]], [[CharacterDevelopment A great deal of the characters grow out of their flaws]] and get a mostly HappyEnding. Both were also made in very similar circumstances, with both Hideaki Anno and the rest of Studio Gainax both went through bouts of depression. However, since ''Evangelion'' was responsible for depressing Gainax, through Newton's Third Law, it's counterpart ''FLCL'' was made shortly afterward to counteract it.
*** Just as well, ''Gurren Lagann'' has guite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's are NotSoDifferent from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke teh scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' b[[UpToEleven broke the scale and rebuilt it.]] It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[SpiritualAntithesis Eva]] [[SpiritualSuccessor and FlCL's]] [[DeconReconSwitch child.]]
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