History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / AnimeAndManga

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** Then came [[PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Rebellion]], and Kyubey's and Homura's attempts to outdo each other drove the cynicsm UpToEleven.
26th Jul '17 2:10:25 PM Ninja857142
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** You could say that Naruto's conflicts always come down to this - his idealism vs. his opponents' cynicism. Naruto vs Haku (though he didn't even have to try with him), Zabuza, Neji, Gaara, Sasuke, Nagato... All the major opponents end up with Naruto either succeeding or failing in changing their lives. [[spoiler:This is probably the real reason why he wants to beat Sasuke: because he tried and failed to do this]].

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** You could say that Naruto's conflicts always come down to this - his idealism vs. his opponents' cynicism. Naruto vs Haku (though he didn't even have to try with him), Zabuza, Neji, Gaara, Sasuke, Nagato... All the major opponents end up with Naruto either succeeding or failing in changing their lives. [[spoiler:This is probably the real reason why he wants to beat Sasuke: because he tried and failed to do this]].this. At the very end of the series, he finally succeeds]].
24th Jul '17 6:18:11 AM CuteThingsLover789
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** ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little. At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise. However, the series turns out to be more cynical than it appears to be, as it goes into great lengths to show the struggles and the hard choices the main girls have to make in the process of achieving their goals. They usually prevail in it, but it comes at a fairly great cost. By the end, it pretty much sits on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The BigBad (through her Dragon) is actually still alive in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]

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** ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little. At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise. However, the series turns out to be more cynical than it appears to be, as it goes into great lengths to show the struggles and the hard choices the main girls have to make in the process of achieving their goals. They usually prevail in it, but it comes at a fairly great cost. By the end, it pretty much sits on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The BigBad main villain (through her Dragon) [[TheDragon Dragon]]) is actually still alive ''still alive'' in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]
24th Jul '17 6:15:33 AM CuteThingsLover789
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** ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little. At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise. However, as the series goes on, it turns out that the main characters have to struggle a lot and make hard choices that costs them something in the process of achieving their goals, making it more cynical than what it appears to be. By the end, it pretty much sits on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The BigBad (through her Dragon) is actually still alive in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]

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** ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little. At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise. However, as the series goes on, it turns out that to be more cynical than it appears to be, as it goes into great lengths to show the main characters have to struggle a lot struggles and make the hard choices that costs them something the main girls have to make in the process of achieving their goals, making goals. They usually prevail in it, but it more cynical than what it appears to be.comes at a fairly great cost. By the end, it pretty much sits on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The BigBad (through her Dragon) is actually still alive in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]
24th Jul '17 5:42:36 AM CuteThingsLover789
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** ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little. At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise. However, as the series goes on, it turns out that the main characters have to struggle a lot and make hard choices that costs them something in the process of achieving their goals, making it more cynical than what it appears to be. By the end, it pretty much on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The BigBad (through her Dragon) is actually still alive in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]

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** ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little. At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise. However, as the series goes on, it turns out that the main characters have to struggle a lot and make hard choices that costs them something in the process of achieving their goals, making it more cynical than what it appears to be. By the end, it pretty much sits on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The BigBad (through her Dragon) is actually still alive in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]
24th Jul '17 5:41:33 AM CuteThingsLover789
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** ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little. At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise. However, as the series goes on, it turns out that the main characters have to struggle a lot and make hard choices that costs them something in the process of achieving their goals, making it more cynical than what it appears to be. By the end, it pretty much on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The BigBad (through her Dragon) is actually still alive in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]
24th Jul '17 5:18:30 AM CuteThingsLover789
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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is perhaps one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be, as it has the heroes lose even more support than they did in the previous arcs and the fact that [[spoiler:the humans actually ''cheat'' to win the battle against the Chimera Ants]].

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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is perhaps one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be, as it has be. HumansAreBastards is the heroes lose even more support than they did in one of the previous arcs major themes for the arc, there are ''a lot'' of sacrifices made in this arc, and the fact "supposed" heroes start doing a lot of morally questionable actions in the battle against Chimera Ants, [[spoiler:especially when Gon becomes so much of an AntiHero that [[spoiler:the he actually threatens to kill someone innocent, and that the humans actually ''cheat'' to win the battle against the Chimera Ants]].Ants by using [[NukeEm the Rose.]]]]
22nd Jul '17 8:33:04 PM CuteThingsLover789
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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is perhaps one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be, as it has the heroes lose even more support than they did in the previous arcs and the fact that [[spoiler:the humans actually ''cheat'' to win the battle against the Chimera Ants]].


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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is perhaps one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be, as it has the heroes lose even more support than they did in the previous arcs and the fact that [[spoiler:the humans actually ''cheat'' to win the battle against the Chimera Ants]].
22nd Jul '17 8:31:22 PM CuteThingsLover789
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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is perhaps one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and even in the end the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be, as it has the heroes lose even more support than they did in the previous arcs and the fact that [[spoiler:the humans actually ''cheat'' to win the battle against the Chimera Ants]].

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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is perhaps one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and even in the end the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be, as it has the heroes lose even more support than they did in the previous arcs and the fact that [[spoiler:the humans actually ''cheat'' to win the battle against the Chimera Ants]].
22nd Jul '17 8:30:45 PM CuteThingsLover789
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* ''Manga/HunterxHunter'' is one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and even in the end the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be, as it has the heroes lose even more support than they did in the previous arcs and the fact that [[spoiler:the humans actually ''cheat'' to win the battle against the Chimera Ants]].

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* ''Manga/HunterxHunter'' ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is perhaps one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and even in the end the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be, as it has the heroes lose even more support than they did in the previous arcs and the fact that [[spoiler:the humans actually ''cheat'' to win the battle against the Chimera Ants]].
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