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13th Apr '16 2:29:13 AM Eniena
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* The works of Koichi Ohata a textbook examples of being incredibly cynical to the point they could be considered nihilistic. ''Anime/Genocyber'' and ''Anime/MDGeist'' are some of the most famous.

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* The works of Koichi Ohata have a textbook few genuinely good examples of anime of being incredibly very, very cynical to the point they could be considered nihilistic. ''Anime/Genocyber'' ''Genocyber'' and ''Anime/MDGeist'' are some of both the most famous.notable items.
8th Apr '16 12:34:51 PM aurora-australis
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* AxisPowersHetalia, where the characters are countries, ist most of the time idealistic, with none of the characters being really evil and [[TheDitz Italy]] never really getting into serious trouble. The anime has his cynical moments, for example, when the Baltic states have to live under Russias rule, but there are a lot of scenes that are pretty heartwarming such as Poland saying he'll try to be less selfish in the future, or [[JerkassWithAHeartofGold South Italy]] thanking Spain after Spain fought Turkey for him. It should also be noted that while some countries sometimes behave nasty and violent, it usually doesn't end well for them. Prussia, who laughs about Austria after he defeated him in the Seven Years' War, gets beaten up by Hungary, and Russia, who wants to get friends, has the problem that everyone is scared about him.

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* AxisPowersHetalia, where the characters are countries, ist most of the time idealistic, with none of the characters being really evil and [[TheDitz Italy]] never really getting into serious trouble. The anime has his cynical moments, for example, when the Baltic states have to live under Russias rule, but there are a lot of scenes that are pretty heartwarming such as Poland saying he'll try to be less selfish in the future, or [[JerkassWithAHeartofGold South Italy]] thanking Spain after Spain fought Turkey for him. It should also be noted that while some countries sometimes behave nasty and violent, it usually doesn't end well for them. Prussia, who laughs about Austria after he defeated him in the Seven Years' War, gets beaten up by Hungary, Hungary [[note]] In RealLife, Prussia got dissolved after WorldWarII because the Allies saw the country as too militaristic. Can be seen as example for violence being no solution. [[/note]], and Russia, who wants to get friends, has the problem that everyone is scared about him.
8th Apr '16 12:29:07 PM aurora-australis
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* The works of Koichi Ohata a textbook examples of being incredibly cynical to the point they could be considered nihilistic. ''Anime/Genocyber'' and ''Anime/MDGeist'' are some of the most famous

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* The works of Koichi Ohata a textbook examples of being incredibly cynical to the point they could be considered nihilistic. ''Anime/Genocyber'' and ''Anime/MDGeist'' are some of the most famous famous.
* AxisPowersHetalia, where the characters are countries, ist most of the time idealistic, with none of the characters being really evil and [[TheDitz Italy]] never really getting into serious trouble. The anime has his cynical moments, for example, when the Baltic states have to live under Russias rule, but there are a lot of scenes that are pretty heartwarming such as Poland saying he'll try to be less selfish in the future, or [[JerkassWithAHeartofGold South Italy]] thanking Spain after Spain fought Turkey for him. It should also be noted that while some countries sometimes behave nasty and violent, it usually doesn't end well for them. Prussia, who laughs about Austria after he defeated him in the Seven Years' War, gets beaten up by Hungary, and Russia, who wants to get friends, has the problem that everyone is scared about him.
** The movie falls firmly on the idealistic side with the countries, despite their differences, working together to fight an alien invasion. It turns out that the aliens only invaded because they didn't know what fun is. They leave peacefully after Italy shows them.
31st Jan '16 11:08:29 AM hamza678
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** ''VideoGame/{{Aikatsu}}'' is also idealistic. The idols support each other and become friends most of the time while having fun. Even the few bits of drama are resolved with happy ends.

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** ''VideoGame/{{Aikatsu}}'' ''Anime/{{Aikatsu}}'' is also idealistic. The idols support each other and become friends most of the time while having fun. Even the few bits of drama are resolved with happy ends.
7th Jan '16 7:50:56 PM Eniena
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* The works of Koichi Ohata a textbook examples of being incredibly cynical to the point they could be considered nihilistic. ''Anime/Genocyber'' and ''Anime/MDGeist'' are some of the most famous
28th Dec '15 4:23:11 PM WillBGood
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** Near, [[spoiler:who ends up defeating Light with Mello's help]], is somewhere around the middle; better than Light, yet a bit worse than L. Mello, his [[TheRival rival]], by contrast, is just as ruthless as Light, to the point that his antics make Light seem almost ''heroic'' by comparison during his first appearance. [[spoiler:After all, ''he'' kidnapped Sayu and killed members of his own Mafia after they'd OutlivedTheirUsefuleness, and while Light himself murdered the Director of the Japanese Police for similar reasons, he was for the most part trying to ''rescue'' his father and sister.]]

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** Near, [[spoiler:who ends up defeating Light with Mello's help]], is somewhere around the middle; better than Light, yet a bit worse than L. Mello, his [[TheRival rival]], by contrast, is just as ruthless as Light, to the point that his antics make Light seem almost ''heroic'' by comparison during his first appearance. [[spoiler:After all, ''he'' kidnapped Sayu and killed members of his own Mafia after they'd OutlivedTheirUsefuleness, [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Outlived Their Usefulness]], and while Light himself murdered the Director of the Japanese Police for similar reasons, he was for the most part trying to ''rescue'' his father and sister.]]
15th Nov '15 5:35:05 PM dinohunterpat
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** [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX The After War era]] starts off as a CrapsackWorld in the culimination of an apocalyptic war and a mass ColonyDrop leading to the death of 99% of the human race, and everyone trying to survive by whatever means necessary, however it gets much better. In the end, the Frost Brothers are defeated, the Satellite System is destroyed, the myth of Newtypes as weapons of war or the next step of human evolution, which drove the world-ending war in the first place is refuted, the warmongering leaders of the New Earth Federation and the Space Colonies are both wiped out(by the [[NiceJobFixingItVillain Frost Brothers]]) and the remnants of the governments finally making peace with each other, and the various protagonists all survive in a world that is gradually recovering, making this one of the most idealistic series in the franchise to date.

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** [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX The After War era]] starts off as a CrapsackWorld in the culimination of an apocalyptic war and a mass ColonyDrop leading to the death of 99% of the human race, and everyone trying to survive by whatever means necessary, however it gets much better. In the end, the Frost Brothers are defeated, the Satellite System is destroyed, the myth of Newtypes as weapons of war or the next step of human evolution, which drove the world-ending war in the first place is refuted, the warmongering leaders of the New Earth Federation and the Space Colonies are both wiped out(by out (by the [[NiceJobFixingItVillain Frost Brothers]]) and the remnants of the governments finally making peace with each other, and the various protagonists all survive in a world that is gradually recovering, making this one of the most idealistic series in the franchise to date.
23rd Sep '15 11:29:23 AM Gamermaster
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*** The first battle never goes well for the heroes. During the first encounter in As, both Nanoha and Fate get their weapons destroyed and Nanoha gets hospitalized. If the heroes always won, there'd be no chance for growth.

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*** The first battle never goes well for the heroes. During the first encounter in As, ''A's'' both Nanoha and Fate get their weapons destroyed and Nanoha gets hospitalized. If the heroes always won, there'd be no chance for growth.
4th Sep '15 2:18:14 AM manat31790
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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' remains on optimistic ends despite different moods, settings, and characterizations of multiple story arcs.
23rd Aug '15 10:22:52 AM nombretomado
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** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical, affected by Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown battle with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred of Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual cycle of FromBadToWorse and KillEmAll, though it has a tendency to flip-flop to idealistic from time to time, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ZetaGundam and {{Gundam ZZ}} and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.

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** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical, affected by Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown battle with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred of Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual cycle of FromBadToWorse and KillEmAll, though it has a tendency to flip-flop to idealistic from time to time, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ZetaGundam ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and {{Gundam ZZ}} ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.
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