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* Some of Creator/YoshiyukiTomino's entries into the SuperRobot genre, namely ''Anime/{{Zambot 3}}'' and ''Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon'' contain elements that subvert the idealism and BlackAndWhiteMorality of other SuperRobot shows [[spoiler:not to mention incorporating {{Everybody Dies Ending}}s, as per his Kill 'Em All nickname]]. For instance, in ''Zambot 3'', the protagonists of the Jin family are not praised for their efforts for the majority of the series, but are instead condemned as the cause of the problem. Somewhat justified, seeing as the populace is rather uninformed, and Zambot 3, like any other HumongousMecha, causes a fair bit of property damage and human casualties in its own right. Most series just choose not to address it. Additionally, it is implied in ''Ideon'' that [[spoiler:the Ide was just using the crew that defends it in an EvilPlan to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.]] Suffice it to say, while ''Ideon'' is infamously cynical, ''Zambot 3'' could at least be seen as having a BittersweetEnding depending on how one interprets [[spoiler:the Gaizok being defeated at the cost of the lives of all but one protagonist, along with the populace coming around to recognize the Zambot pilots as heroes.]]
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* Some of Creator/YoshiyukiTomino's entries into the SuperRobot genre, SuperRobotGenre, namely ''Anime/{{Zambot 3}}'' ''Anime/Zambot3'' and ''Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon'' contain elements that subvert the idealism and BlackAndWhiteMorality of other SuperRobot Super Robot shows [[spoiler:not to mention incorporating {{Everybody Dies Ending}}s, as per his Kill 'Em All nickname]]. For instance, in ''Zambot 3'', the protagonists of the Jin family are not praised for their efforts for the majority of the series, but are instead condemned as the cause of the problem. Somewhat justified, seeing as the populace is rather uninformed, and Zambot 3, like any other HumongousMecha, causes a fair bit of property damage and human casualties in its own right. Most series just choose not to address it. Additionally, it is implied in ''Ideon'' that [[spoiler:the Ide was just using the crew that defends it in an EvilPlan to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.]] Suffice it to say, while ''Ideon'' is infamously cynical, ''Zambot 3'' could at least be seen as having a BittersweetEnding depending on how one interprets [[spoiler:the Gaizok being defeated at the cost of the lives of all but one protagonist, along with the populace coming around to recognize the Zambot pilots as heroes.]]
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* ''Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor'' is a RealRobot version of ''Evangelion'' and even more cynical than ''Evangelion'' (the Festum view the humans as bastards and are right in their judgment). The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsK'' that served as its debut where you can save the pilots who died in the series is done through a SadisticChoice style unlock (you can only unlock one set of units). Meanwhile ''Heaven and Earth'' and ''Right of Left'' is pretty much day and night of idealism and cynicism.
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* ''Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor'' is a RealRobot RealRobotGenre version of ''Evangelion'' and even more cynical than ''Evangelion'' (the Festum view the humans as bastards and are right in their judgment). The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsK'' that served as its debut where you can save the pilots who died in the series is done through a SadisticChoice style unlock (you can only unlock one set of units). Meanwhile ''Heaven and Earth'' and ''Right of Left'' is pretty much day and night of idealism and cynicism.
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** ''Anime/Macross7'', which straddles the line between RealRobot and SuperRobot, is about as idealistic as it gets. During the first few episodes, the main character looks like a fish-out-of-water ActualPacifist trying to end a space war by SINGING AT PEOPLE while they're killing each other and one side is [[spoiler: eating the other's souls in order to fully awaken {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that will bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt]]. And, at the end, [[HeelFaceTurn it works]] [[RedemptionEarnsLife in the best way possible]].
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** ''Anime/Macross7'', which straddles the line between RealRobot RealRobotGenre and SuperRobot, SuperRobotGenre, is about as idealistic as it gets. During the first few episodes, the main character looks like a fish-out-of-water ActualPacifist trying to end a space war by SINGING AT PEOPLE while they're killing each other and one side is [[spoiler: eating the other's souls in order to fully awaken {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that will bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt]]. And, at the end, [[HeelFaceTurn it works]] [[RedemptionEarnsLife in the best way possible]].
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** Explored via the ShowWithinAShow ''Gekiganger 3'', which as an old-school SuperRobot series is pretty much set all the way towards idealism, while ''Nadesico'' itself is a great deal more cynical. Certain characters in the show try to emulate the worldview of ''Gekiganger'', and it never goes well. [[spoiler:"TheEvilEmpire [of Earth] must be destroyed! This is the true meaning of Gekigangar!"]] Poor, Poor Tsukomo Shiratori...
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** Explored via the ShowWithinAShow ''Gekiganger 3'', which as an old-school SuperRobot SuperRobotGenre series is pretty much set all the way towards idealism, while ''Nadesico'' itself is a great deal more cynical. Certain characters in the show try to emulate the worldview of ''Gekiganger'', and it never goes well. [[spoiler:"TheEvilEmpire [of Earth] must be destroyed! This is the true meaning of Gekigangar!"]] Poor, Poor Tsukomo Shiratori...
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** Then it slides into idealism for a while, as the technology hidden by the Royals get revealed and things begin to look up, [[spoiler:then it gets ''really'' worse. The Survey Corps get decimated to nine members, the protagonists learn the truth outside the walls and find out they were all living on borrowed time, the villains of the first half show their tragic side and major characters begin to drop like flies. By the end, the IdiotHero becomes a VillainProtagonist and dies at the hands of his first love not before decimating 80% of humanity, while everything he fights for gets undone after a few centuries when Paradis gets bombed by the descendants of the survivors of the above mentioned massacre.]]
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* Most {{shonen}} works (particularly the action fighter types) tend to fall into the idealistic side. However, there are also other shonen works that fall into the cynical side (like ''Manga/DeathNote''), but they are mistaken as {{seinen}} due to the mood (see WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids) since many {{seinen}} fall into the cynical side, except for the cute {{moe}} ones.
* In HumongousMecha series, RealRobot series tend to fall more toward cynical, while SuperRobot series fall more toward idealistic.
* In HumongousMecha series, RealRobot series tend to fall more toward cynical, while SuperRobot series fall more toward idealistic.
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** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Post Disaster]] timeline is perhaps the most cynical settings since the Universal Century. Taking place in a setting where children are treated as worth less than dirt and have a short life expectancy. Orga's attempt forms the group Tekkadan after forming a mutiny slowly loses their idealism to the realities of war when Biscuit dies but was still able to go back towards the middle of the scale by defeating their enemies and securing a future for themselves but at the cost to the stability of the world they live on as more children end up being enslaved and sent to fight. In the second season, things get even worse as he and many others die in a futile coup against the BigBad of the series and Tekkadan is forever vilified as a result of aligning themselves with [=McGillis=] as people close them are killed in the process. While some of the secondary members of Tekkadan were spared, all the main characters in Tekkadan would perish from the struggle and the antagonist emerging victorious and the surviving idealists also becoming fully cynical in process in spite of an attempt by Rustal trying to create a world that would not have more people like them.
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** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Post Disaster]] timeline is perhaps the most cynical settings setting since the Universal Century. Taking place in a setting where children are treated as worth less than dirt and have a short life expectancy. Orga's attempt forms the group Tekkadan after forming a mutiny slowly loses their idealism to the realities of war when Biscuit dies but was still able to go back towards the middle of the scale by defeating their enemies and securing a future for themselves but at the cost to the stability of the world they live on as more children end up being enslaved and sent to fight. In the second season, things get even worse as he and many others die in a futile coup against the BigBad of the series and Tekkadan is forever vilified as a result of aligning themselves with [=McGillis=] as people close them are killed in the process. While some of the secondary members of Tekkadan were spared, all the main characters in Tekkadan would perish from the struggle and the antagonist emerging victorious and the surviving idealists also becoming fully cynical in process in spite of an attempt by Rustal trying to create a world that would not have more people like them.
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** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual CycleOfViolence between the Earth Federation and the Space Colonies even though some works do have a tinge of idealism to it, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.
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** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual CycleOfViolence CycleOfRevenge between the Earth Federation and the Space Colonies even though some works do have a tinge of idealism to it, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.
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** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual cycle of FromBadToWorse even though some works are, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.
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** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual cycle of FromBadToWorse CycleOfViolence between the Earth Federation and the Space Colonies even though some works are, do have a tinge of idealism to it, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.
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** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Cosmic]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Era]] is widely considered as one of the darkest of the non-UC Gundam timelines due to the EvilVersusEvil nature of the conflict. One faction is controlled by a [[FantasticRacism genocidal terrorist organization]] while the other is turning into an increasingly militaristic regime built on [[SuperiorSpecies genetic supremacism]]. Both sides are equally willing to [[LeaveNoSurvivors slaughter prisoners]], [[ThePurge purge dissidents]], [[NukeEm use WMDs on their enemies and allies alike]], and [[ForScience conduct depraved science experiments with no regard for human life]]. By the end of the First Bloody Valentine War, the leaders of both have the stated goal of [[FinalSolution wiping out the other to the last person]]. However, despite all this, the timeline has an idealistic bent, emphasizing how [[OnlySaneMan Kira, Lacus, Athrun and their friends]] alongside all the decent people from both sides coming together to prevent their genocidal leadership from destroying everything, and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny SEED Destiny]]'' ends on a note implying that things can finally change for the better and that Naturals and Coordinators can overcome their hatreds given time and the removal of those who had been exploiting said hatreds for their own agendas.
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** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Cosmic]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Era]] is widely considered as one of the darkest of the non-UC Gundam timelines due to the EvilVersusEvil nature of the conflict. One faction is controlled by a [[FantasticRacism genocidal terrorist organization]] while the other is turning into an increasingly militaristic regime built on [[SuperiorSpecies genetic supremacism]]. Both sides are equally willing to [[LeaveNoSurvivors slaughter prisoners]], [[ThePurge purge dissidents]], [[NukeEm use WMDs on their enemies and allies alike]], and [[ForScience conduct depraved science experiments with no regard for human life]]. By the end of the First Bloody Valentine War, the leaders of both have the stated goal of [[FinalSolution wiping out the other to the last person]]. However, despite all this, the timeline has an idealistic bent, emphasizing how [[OnlySaneMan Kira, Lacus, Athrun and their friends]] alongside all the decent people from both sides coming together to prevent their genocidal leadership from destroying everything, and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny SEED Destiny]]'' ends on a note implying that things can finally change for the better and that Naturals and Coordinators can overcome their hatreds given time and the removal of those who had been exploiting said hatreds for their own agendas.
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** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAge Advanced Generation]] starts out as idealistic in the First generation before veering down into cynicism in the Second Generation only to end with an idealistic ending in the third, with Flit Asuno going from WideEyedIdealist to KnightTemplar, Asemu deciding that the only way to keep both sides from destroying each other is to keep things at a stalemated ForeverWar, and Kio's attempts to connect with his foes met with repeated failure. The Vagans, meanwhile, see-saw from [[HiddenAgendaVillain enigmatic villains]] to [[AntiVillain legitimately aggrieved]] only to lose all sympathy with TheReveal of their leader's true goal. That said, despite everything being set up for a truly blood-soaked finale, the series ends on a idealistic note despite all the death with Kio's efforts bearing fruit, Flit and even Ezelcant letting go of their hatred, both sides working together to save the Second Moon and the implication in the final scene that humanity is moving towards a better future.
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** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAge Advanced Generation]] starts out as idealistic in the First generation before veering down into cynicism in the Second Generation only to end with an idealistic ending in the third, with Flit Asuno going from WideEyedIdealist to KnightTemplar, a genocidal KnightTemplar seeking to destroy the Vagans for all the trauma he has suffered, Asemu deciding that the only way to keep both sides from destroying each other is to keep things at a stalemated ForeverWar, and Kio's attempts to connect with his foes met with repeated failure. The Vagans, meanwhile, see-saw from [[HiddenAgendaVillain enigmatic villains]] to [[AntiVillain legitimately aggrieved]] only to lose all sympathy with TheReveal of their leader's true goal. That said, despite everything being set up for a truly blood-soaked finale, the series ends on a idealistic note despite all the death with Kio's efforts bearing fruit, Flit and even Ezelcant letting go of their hatred, both sides working together to save the Second Moon and the implication in the final scene that humanity is moving towards a better future.
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Only UC and PD can truly be considered cynical. CE and AG, despite all the hate these timelines get(moreso for AG than CE, which has some popularity due to nostalgia and SRW fix-its) aren't that cynical, and we're honestly supposed to view their endings as idealistic leaning despite how bittersweet they are. This trope isn't YMMV so just because you think it is cynical due to the mass death that occurs or contempt at either timeline dosen't mean it is the authoritoral intent.
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* The ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' franchise is all over the scale with ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0080WarInThePocket Gundam 0080]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Gundam 0083]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamMSIgloo MS Igloo]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeed Gundam SEED]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Gundam AGE]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans]]'' leaning to the cynical side, ''[[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam G Gundam]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Gundam Wing]]'', ''[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X]]'', ''Anime/TurnAGundam'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Gundam 00]]'' to the idealistic side, and the rest like the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Gundam Unicorn]]'' falling somewhere in the middle.
** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual cycle of FromBadToWorse even though it has a tendency to flip-flop to idealistic from time to time, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.
** The [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Future Century]] is a SuperRobot show, which predisposes it for idealism. Although it takes place in a CrapsackWorld with plenty of corruption and SceneryGorn, it is also the only timeline that actually found a way to end mass-casualty warfare; the problem is fixing the system used to replace it.
** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual cycle of FromBadToWorse even though it has a tendency to flip-flop to idealistic from time to time, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.
** The [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Future Century]] is a SuperRobot show, which predisposes it for idealism. Although it takes place in a CrapsackWorld with plenty of corruption and SceneryGorn, it is also the only timeline that actually found a way to end mass-casualty warfare; the problem is fixing the system used to replace it.
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* The ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' franchise is all over the scale with ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0080WarInThePocket Gundam 0080]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Gundam 0083]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamMSIgloo MS Igloo]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeed Gundam SEED]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Gundam AGE]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans]]'' leaning to the cynical side, ''[[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam G Gundam]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Gundam Wing]]'', ''[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X]]'', ''Anime/TurnAGundam'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Gundam 00]]'' to the idealistic side, and the rest like the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'', ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Gundam Unicorn]]'' falling somewhere in the middle.
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** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual cycle of FromBadToWorse even thoughit has a tendency to flip-flop to idealistic from time to time, some works are, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies.
** The [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Future Century]] on the other hand, isa SuperRobot show, which predisposes it for idealism.far more idealistic. Although it takes place in a CrapsackWorld with plenty of corruption and SceneryGorn, it is also the only timeline that actually found a way to end mass-casualty warfare; the problem is fixing the system used to replace it.
** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual cycle of FromBadToWorse even though
** The [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Future Century]] on the other hand, is
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** [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX The After War era]] starts off as a CrapsackWorld in the culimination of an apocalyptic war and a mass ColonyDrop leading to the death of 99% of the human race, and everyone trying to survive by whatever means necessary. However, it gets much better. In the end, the Frost Brothers are defeated, the Satellite System is destroyed, the myth of Newtypes as weapons of war or the next step of human evolution, which drove the world-ending war in the first place, is refuted, and the warmongering leaders of the New Earth Federation and the Space Colonies are both wiped out (by the [[NiceJobFixingItVillain Frost Brothers]]). Ultimately, the remnants of the governments finally make peace with each other, and the various protagonists all survive in a world that is gradually recovering, making this one of the most idealistic series in the franchise to date.
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Cosmic]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Era]] is widely considered as the darkest of the non-UC Gundam timelines. One faction is controlled by a [[FantasticRacism genocidal terrorist ideology]] while the other is turning into an increasingly militaristic regime built on [[SuperiorSpecies genetic supremacism]]. Both sides are equally willing to [[LeaveNoSurvivors slaughter prisoners]], [[ThePurge purge dissidents]], [[NukeEm use WMDs on their enemies and allies alike]], and [[ForScience conduct depraved science experiments with no regard for human life]]. By the end, the leaders of both have the stated goal of [[FinalSolution wiping out the other to the last person]]. [[OnlySaneMan Kira, Lacus, Athrun and their friends]] [[HumansAreBastards end up being the only ones]] that keep humanity from destroying itself. When they aren't there, as summarized by [[WoobieDestroyerofWorlds Rau Le Creuset]] regarding the life in CE:
---> ''"It's like we're walking through a maze of sorts. There are always so many paths to choose from. We pick a path, and we follow it. You people walk your path believing that something you desire is waiting for you. I walk it to confirm that there is nothing there."''
*** That being said, there is just enough hope at the end of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny SEED Destiny]]'' to believe that things can finally change for the better and that Naturals and Coordinators can overcome their hatreds given time and the removal of those who had been exploiting said hatreds for their own agendas.
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Cosmic]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Era]] is widely considered as the darkest of the non-UC Gundam timelines. One faction is controlled by a [[FantasticRacism genocidal terrorist ideology]] while the other is turning into an increasingly militaristic regime built on [[SuperiorSpecies genetic supremacism]]. Both sides are equally willing to [[LeaveNoSurvivors slaughter prisoners]], [[ThePurge purge dissidents]], [[NukeEm use WMDs on their enemies and allies alike]], and [[ForScience conduct depraved science experiments with no regard for human life]]. By the end, the leaders of both have the stated goal of [[FinalSolution wiping out the other to the last person]]. [[OnlySaneMan Kira, Lacus, Athrun and their friends]] [[HumansAreBastards end up being the only ones]] that keep humanity from destroying itself. When they aren't there, as summarized by [[WoobieDestroyerofWorlds Rau Le Creuset]] regarding the life in CE:
---> ''"It's like we're walking through a maze of sorts. There are always so many paths to choose from. We pick a path, and we follow it. You people walk your path believing that something you desire is waiting for you. I walk it to confirm that there is nothing there."''
*** That being said, there is just enough hope at the end of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny SEED Destiny]]'' to believe that things can finally change for the better and that Naturals and Coordinators can overcome their hatreds given time and the removal of those who had been exploiting said hatreds for their own agendas.
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** [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX The After War era]] starts off as a CrapsackWorld in the culimination culmination of an apocalyptic war and a mass ColonyDrop leading to the death of 99% of the human race, and everyone trying to survive by whatever means necessary. However, it gets much better. In the end, the Frost Brothers are defeated, the Satellite System is destroyed, the myth of Newtypes as weapons of war or the next step of human evolution, which drove the world-ending war in the first place, is refuted, and the warmongering leaders of the New Earth Federation and the Space Colonies are both wiped out (by the [[NiceJobFixingItVillain Frost Brothers]]). Ultimately, the remnants of the governments finally make peace with each other, and the various protagonists all survive in a world that is gradually recovering, making this one of the most idealistic series in the franchise to date.
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Cosmic]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Era]] is widely considered as one of the darkest of the non-UC Gundamtimelines. timelines due to the EvilVersusEvil nature of the conflict. One faction is controlled by a [[FantasticRacism genocidal terrorist ideology]] organization]] while the other is turning into an increasingly militaristic regime built on [[SuperiorSpecies genetic supremacism]]. Both sides are equally willing to [[LeaveNoSurvivors slaughter prisoners]], [[ThePurge purge dissidents]], [[NukeEm use WMDs on their enemies and allies alike]], and [[ForScience conduct depraved science experiments with no regard for human life]]. By the end, end of the First Bloody Valentine War, the leaders of both have the stated goal of [[FinalSolution wiping out the other to the last person]]. However, despite all this, the timeline has an idealistic bent, emphasizing how [[OnlySaneMan Kira, Lacus, Athrun and their friends]] [[HumansAreBastards end up being alongside all the only ones]] that keep humanity decent people from both sides coming together to prevent their genocidal leadership from destroying itself. When they aren't there, as summarized by [[WoobieDestroyerofWorlds Rau Le Creuset]] regarding the life in CE:
---> ''"It's like we're walking through a maze of sorts. There are always so many paths to choose from. We pick a path,everything, and we follow it. You people walk your path believing that something you desire is waiting for you. I walk it to confirm that there is nothing there."''
*** That being said, there is just enough hope at the end of''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny SEED Destiny]]'' to believe ends on a note implying that things can finally change for the better and that Naturals and Coordinators can overcome their hatreds given time and the removal of those who had been exploiting said hatreds for their own agendas.
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Cosmic]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Era]] is widely considered as one of the darkest of the non-UC Gundam
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** As a sharp contrast to the AD timeline, the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAge Advanced Generation]] slides down towards complete cynicism over the show's three-generation timespan, with Flit Asuno going from WideEyedIdealist to KnightTemplar, Asemu deciding that the only way to keep both sides from destroying each other is to keep things at a stalemated ForeverWar, and Kio's attempts to connect with his foes met with repeated failure. The Vagans, meanwhile, see-saw from [[HiddenAgendaVillain enigmatic villains]] to [[AntiVillain legitimately aggreived]] and then back to unsympathetic with TheReveal of their leader's true goal, and all perish for it -- ultimately. Although at the surface it seems to slide back into idealism at the end, it is at best a BittersweetEnding for the finale.
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Post Disaster]] is perhaps one of the most cynical settings, even if put in comparison to the darker titles. Taking place in a setting where children are treated as worth less than dirt and have a short life expectancy. Orga's attempt forms the group Tekkadan after forming a mutiny slowly loses their idealism to the realities of war when Biscuit dies but was still able to go back towards the middle of the scale by defeating their enemies and securing a future for themselves but at the cost to the stability of the world they live on as more children end up being enslaved and sent to fight. In the second season, it has a significantly much more cynical tone as he and many others die in a futile coup against the BigBad of the series and Tekkadan is forever vilified as a result of aligning themselves with [=McGillis=] as people close them are killed in the process. While some of the secondary members of Tekkadan were spared, all the main characters in Tekkadan would perish from the struggle and the antagonist emerging victorious and the surviving idealists also becoming fully cynical in process in spite of an attempt by Rustal trying to create a world that would not have more people like them.
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Post Disaster]] is perhaps one of the most cynical settings, even if put in comparison to the darker titles. Taking place in a setting where children are treated as worth less than dirt and have a short life expectancy. Orga's attempt forms the group Tekkadan after forming a mutiny slowly loses their idealism to the realities of war when Biscuit dies but was still able to go back towards the middle of the scale by defeating their enemies and securing a future for themselves but at the cost to the stability of the world they live on as more children end up being enslaved and sent to fight. In the second season, it has a significantly much more cynical tone as he and many others die in a futile coup against the BigBad of the series and Tekkadan is forever vilified as a result of aligning themselves with [=McGillis=] as people close them are killed in the process. While some of the secondary members of Tekkadan were spared, all the main characters in Tekkadan would perish from the struggle and the antagonist emerging victorious and the surviving idealists also becoming fully cynical in process in spite of an attempt by Rustal trying to create a world that would not have more people like them.
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** As a sharp contrast to the AD timeline, the The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAge Advanced Generation]] slides starts out as idealistic in the First generation before veering down towards complete into cynicism over in the show's three-generation timespan, Second Generation only to end with an idealistic ending in the third, with Flit Asuno going from WideEyedIdealist to KnightTemplar, Asemu deciding that the only way to keep both sides from destroying each other is to keep things at a stalemated ForeverWar, and Kio's attempts to connect with his foes met with repeated failure. The Vagans, meanwhile, see-saw from [[HiddenAgendaVillain enigmatic villains]] to [[AntiVillain legitimately aggreived]] and then back aggrieved]] only to unsympathetic lose all sympathy with TheReveal of their leader's true goal, goal. That said, despite everything being set up for a truly blood-soaked finale, the series ends on a idealistic note despite all the death with Kio's efforts bearing fruit, Flit and all perish for it -- ultimately. Although at even Ezelcant letting go of their hatred, both sides working together to save the surface it seems to slide back into idealism at Second Moon and the end, it is at best a BittersweetEnding for implication in the finale.
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** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Post Disaster]] timeline is perhapsone of the most cynical settings, even if put in comparison to settings since the darker titles.Universal Century. Taking place in a setting where children are treated as worth less than dirt and have a short life expectancy. Orga's attempt forms the group Tekkadan after forming a mutiny slowly loses their idealism to the realities of war when Biscuit dies but was still able to go back towards the middle of the scale by defeating their enemies and securing a future for themselves but at the cost to the stability of the world they live on as more children end up being enslaved and sent to fight. In the second season, it has a significantly much more cynical tone things get even worse as he and many others die in a futile coup against the BigBad of the series and Tekkadan is forever vilified as a result of aligning themselves with [=McGillis=] as people close them are killed in the process. While some of the secondary members of Tekkadan were spared, all the main characters in Tekkadan would perish from the struggle and the antagonist emerging victorious and the surviving idealists also becoming fully cynical in process in spite of an attempt by Rustal trying to create a world that would not have more people like them.them.
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamTheWitchFromMercury Ad Stella]] is one of the most idealistic timelines in the franchise, ending in a finale with virtually no character deaths and Suletta forcing a solution that keeps everyone alive, even seemingly doomed characters like Ericht. The ending shows every character living in peace and moving on with their lives.
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Post Disaster]] timeline is perhaps
** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamTheWitchFromMercury Ad Stella]] is one of the most idealistic timelines in the franchise, ending in a finale with virtually no character deaths and Suletta forcing a solution that keeps everyone alive, even seemingly doomed characters like Ericht. The ending shows every character living in peace and moving on with their lives.
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** The MagicalGirl genre is idealistic. ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'', as mentioned under VideoGames, is idealistic. Put them together and you get ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', where [[AntiVillain villains who can be redeemed]] [[HeelFaceTurn will be redeemed]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship after they get beaten around a bit]], [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman anyone who acts human will be treated as a person]] regardless of how [[CloningBlues they]] [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots were]] [[{{Cyborg}} born]], all [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned]] and {{artificial|Human}} children will eventually find [[HappilyAdopted a loving family they can go home to]], and all {{Smug Snake}}s will receive a well-deserved (and painful) end.
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** The MagicalGirl genre is idealistic. ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'', as mentioned under VideoGames, is idealistic. Put them together and you get ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', where [[AntiVillain villains who can be redeemed]] [[HeelFaceTurn will be redeemed]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship after they get beaten around a bit]], [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman anyone who acts human will be treated as a person]] regardless of how [[CloningBlues they]] they [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots were]] [[{{Cyborg}} born]], all [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned]] and {{artificial|Human}} children will eventually find [[HappilyAdopted a loving family they can go home to]], and all {{Smug Snake}}s will receive a well-deserved (and painful) end.
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* The works by manga artist ''Creator/{{One}}'', ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' and ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'' have an idealistic outlook, despite a seemingly cynical setting. Characters learn to live happy lives through struggle and [[EarnYourHappyEnding working on self-improvement]].
** ''One Punch Man'' leans a little closer to the middle likely due to Saitama being so powerful that he can easily kill any enemy with ''one punch''. This usually renders characters goals completely meaningless and everyone starts to get a little too depressed as a result. This doesn't mean that it doesn't lean on the idealistic side as characters are finding ways to get satisfaction.
** ''One Punch Man'' leans a little closer to the middle likely due to Saitama being so powerful that he can easily kill any enemy with ''one punch''. This usually renders characters goals completely meaningless and everyone starts to get a little too depressed as a result. This doesn't mean that it doesn't lean on the idealistic side as characters are finding ways to get satisfaction.
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* The works by manga artist ''Creator/{{One}}'', ''Creator/{{ONE}}'', ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' and ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'' have an idealistic outlook, despite a seemingly cynical setting. Characters learn to live happy lives through personal struggle and [[EarnYourHappyEnding working on self-improvement]].
** ''One Punch Man'' leans a little closer to the middle likely due to Saitama being so powerful that he can easily kill any enemy with ''one punch''. This usually renders characters goals completely meaningless and everyone starts to get a little too depressed as a result. This doesn't mean that itdoesn't lean isn't leaning on the idealistic side as characters are fighting in the face of danger and they are finding ways to get satisfaction.
** ''One Punch Man'' leans a little closer to the middle likely due to Saitama being so powerful that he can easily kill any enemy with ''one punch''. This usually renders characters goals completely meaningless and everyone starts to get a little too depressed as a result. This doesn't mean that it
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* Manga artist ''Creator/{{One}}'', creator of ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' and ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'' usually has an idealistic outlook, despite a seemingly cynical setting. Characters learn to live happy lives through struggle and [[EarnYourHappyEnding working on self-improvement]].
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* Manga The works by manga artist ''Creator/{{One}}'', creator of ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' and ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'' usually has have an idealistic outlook, despite a seemingly cynical setting. Characters learn to live happy lives through struggle and [[EarnYourHappyEnding working on self-improvement]].
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* Manga artist ''Creator/One'', creator of ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' and ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'' usually has an idealistic outlook, despite a seemingly cynical setting. Characters learn to live happy lives through struggle and [[EarnYourHappyEnding working on self-improvement]].
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* Manga artist ''Creator/One'', ''Creator/{{One}}'', creator of ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' and ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'' usually has an idealistic outlook, despite a seemingly cynical setting. Characters learn to live happy lives through struggle and [[EarnYourHappyEnding working on self-improvement]].
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* Manga artist ''Creator/One'', creator of ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' and ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'' usually has an idealistic outlook, despite a seemingly cynical setting. Characters learn to live happy lives through struggle and [[EarnYourHappyEnding working on self-improvement]].
** ''One Punch Man'' leans a little closer to the middle likely due to Saitama being so powerful that he can easily kill any enemy with ''one punch''. This usually renders characters goals completely meaningless and everyone starts to get a little too depressed as a result. This doesn't mean that it doesn't lean on the idealistic side as characters are finding ways to get satisfaction.
** ''Mob Psycho 100'' is more on the idealistic side than ''One Punch Man'' likely due to the main character, Mob, being able to find ways to help him become a better human being which will help him lead a more full-filling life.
** ''One Punch Man'' leans a little closer to the middle likely due to Saitama being so powerful that he can easily kill any enemy with ''one punch''. This usually renders characters goals completely meaningless and everyone starts to get a little too depressed as a result. This doesn't mean that it doesn't lean on the idealistic side as characters are finding ways to get satisfaction.
** ''Mob Psycho 100'' is more on the idealistic side than ''One Punch Man'' likely due to the main character, Mob, being able to find ways to help him become a better human being which will help him lead a more full-filling life.
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** The MagicalGirl genre is idealistic. ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'', as mentioned under VideoGames, is idealistic. [[MixAndMatch Put them together]] and you get ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', where [[AntiVillain villains who can be redeemed]] [[HeelFaceTurn will be redeemed]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship after they get beaten around a bit]], [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman anyone who acts human will be treated as a person]] regardless of how [[CloningBlues they]] [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots were]] [[{{Cyborg}} born]], all [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned]] and {{artificial|Human}} children will eventually find [[HappilyAdopted a loving family they can go home to]], and all {{Smug Snake}}s will receive a well-deserved (and painful) end.
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** The MagicalGirl genre is idealistic. ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'', as mentioned under VideoGames, is idealistic. [[MixAndMatch Put them together]] together and you get ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', where [[AntiVillain villains who can be redeemed]] [[HeelFaceTurn will be redeemed]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship after they get beaten around a bit]], [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman anyone who acts human will be treated as a person]] regardless of how [[CloningBlues they]] [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots were]] [[{{Cyborg}} born]], all [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned]] and {{artificial|Human}} children will eventually find [[HappilyAdopted a loving family they can go home to]], and all {{Smug Snake}}s will receive a well-deserved (and painful) end.
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** ''Anime/TheIdolMaster'' is idealistic one, being a story about multiple production companies and the story of their idols who strive to achieve their dreams. While some rivalries might flair up (such as Yumeno from Deary Stars), the rivalry resolves amicably between both parties.
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** ''Anime/TheIdolMaster'' is idealistic one, being a story about multiple production companies and the story of their idols who strive to achieve their dreams. While some rivalries might flair flare up (such as Yumeno from Deary Stars), the rivalry resolves amicably between both parties.
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** That being said, there is just enough hope at the end of Seed Destiny to believe that things can finally change for the better and that Naturals and Coordinators can overcome their hatreds given time and the removal of those who had been exploiting said hatreds for their own agendas.
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* The ''Anime/PrettyCure'' series is easily an idealistic series, even with its more [[DarkerAndEdgier dramatic and serious]] (for its kind) installments, namely ''Anime/DokiDokiPrettyCure'', ''Anime/FutariWaPrettyCureSplashStar, Anime/HeartcatchPrettyCure'', and ''Anime/HappinessChargePrettyCure''. ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little; At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise, but it soon turns out to be more cynical than it appears to be, as it goes into great lengths to show the struggles and the hard choices the main girls have to make in the process of achieving their goals. They usually prevail in it, but it comes at a fairly great cost. By the end, it pretty much sits on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The main villain (through her [[TheDragon Dragon]]) is actually ''still alive'' in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]
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* The ''Anime/PrettyCure'' series is easily an idealistic series, even with its more [[DarkerAndEdgier dramatic and serious]] (for its kind) installments, namely ''Anime/DokiDokiPrettyCure'', ''Anime/DokiDokiPrecure'', ''Anime/FutariWaPrettyCureSplashStar, Anime/HeartcatchPrettyCure'', and ''Anime/HappinessChargePrettyCure''. ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little; At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise, but it soon turns out to be more cynical than it appears to be, as it goes into great lengths to show the struggles and the hard choices the main girls have to make in the process of achieving their goals. They usually prevail in it, but it comes at a fairly great cost. By the end, it pretty much sits on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The main villain (through her [[TheDragon Dragon]]) is actually ''still alive'' in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]]
