History Series / Rome

20th Apr '18 2:34:09 PM Aurelian
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* EveryoneHasStandards: Timon murders, beats, rapes and tortures on Atia's orders, but having spent hours mercilessly torturing Servilia, finally snaps and walks out when Atia tells him to kill her.
20th Apr '18 12:39:10 PM Aurelian
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* AttackAttackRetreatRetreat: Erastes Fulman heads to Vorenus' house with his henchmen, intending to kill Vorenus, only to find ''legionaries'' standing guard outside. [[OhCrap He quickly changes his mind and leaves.]]
17th Apr '18 5:53:40 PM TheWoosterCode
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** When Octavian wins his first big battle, the two generals who make it happen die. With them out of the way, Maecenas tells Octavian he can now take sole credit for the victory. This shows him as an unscrupulous character

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** When Octavian wins his first big battle, the two generals who make it happen die. With them out of the way, Maecenas tells Octavian he can now take sole credit for the victory. This shows him as an unscrupulous charactercharacter.
** Octavian tells Livia what he expects of her as his wife, all the squeezing her hand tighter and tighter. She looks alarmed and pained, but when he politely and resolutely tells her he will beat her, not for any misbehaviour on her part but for his own sexual pleasure, she stiffens her spine and agrees, unflinching. Even Octavian can see [[SilkHidingSteel what kind of woman she is,]] and he's very pleased.
17th Apr '18 5:23:59 PM TheWoosterCode
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** [[MagnificentBastard Octavian]] tricks Cicero into making him consul, suggesting that he wants the title out of vanity and that, being so young, he would require Cicero's constant guidance. If you watch closely, you can ''see'' the moment he pastes a naïve, UpperClassTwit look on his face.

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** [[MagnificentBastard Octavian]] tricks Cicero into making him consul, suggesting that he wants the title out of vanity and that, being so young, [[PuppetKing he would require Cicero's constant guidance. guidance.]] If you watch closely, you can ''see'' the moment he pastes a naïve, UpperClassTwit look on his face.


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* PuppetKing: Cleopatra takes to role with gusto. She explicitly refers to herself as Caesar's puppet queen, and doesn't care so long as being one gets her back on the throne. Smart move, considering her brother refused to entertain the notion that a great Ptolemy like himself could ever be beneath anyone, and ended up getting unceremoniously offed by his Roman masters.
** Averted ''hard'' with Octavian. He lets Cicero and the Senate believe he's just a malleable nineteen-year-old to get them to name him Consul. As soon as he's in power, he makes it clear that he's smarter than all of them and gets to work installing his military dictatorship.
16th Apr '18 12:47:11 PM Aurelian
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* HistoricalDomainCharacter: Easily half the major characters: UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar, Brutus, Cassius, Mark Antony, UsefulNotes/PompeyTheGreat, Creator/{{Cicero}}, Cato, UsefulNotes/{{Augustus}}, UsefulNotes/CleopatraVII, Vercingetorix, Agrippa... Technically even Vorenus and Pullo, though in their case it was simply taking the names of two of Caesar's real centurions mentioned in his book ''De bello Gallico'' and creating the characters from whole cloth.

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* HistoricalDomainCharacter: Easily half the major characters: UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar, Brutus, Cassius, Mark Antony, UsefulNotes/PompeyTheGreat, Creator/{{Cicero}}, Cato, UsefulNotes/{{Augustus}}, [[UsefulNotes/{{Augustus}} Octavian]], UsefulNotes/CleopatraVII, Vercingetorix, Agrippa...Agrippa, Maecenas, Lepidus... Technically even Vorenus and Pullo, though in their case it was simply taking the names of two of Caesar's real centurions mentioned in his book ''De bello Gallico'' and creating the characters from whole cloth.


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* PretextForWar: This is a big deal for the Romans, as it's not good to be seen as the aggressor in a conflict. Hence the various factions try to goad each other into declaring war, or otherwise search for a justification, however flimsy, for attacking the enemy.
16th Apr '18 12:27:59 PM Aurelian
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* HonorBeforeReason: The most defining characteristic of Vorenus. To the point that when Cleopatra asks him if his best friend Pullo is a good man, he asks her to define "good".

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The most defining characteristic of Vorenus. To the point that when Cleopatra asks him if his best friend Pullo is a good man, he asks her to define "good"."good".
** Also Brutus. It does make sense to kill Antony at the same time as Caesar, but Brutus insists that they are tyrant killers, not murderers. Leaving Antony alive does indeed cost Brutus and his allies dearly.
11th Jan '18 11:32:17 PM Scoutstr295
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** In Season 2, Cleopatra travels to Rome with Caesarion, the child she conceived with Caesar before his assassination, to appeal to both Mark Antony and Octavian to endorse her son's claim to the throne. In reality, Cleopatra was actually in Rome at the time of the assassination and immediately feared for her life and the life of the then-unborn Caesarion, and fled to Alexandria and stayed there until the political upheaval died down. Thus, it would have made no sense for Cleopatra and Caesarion to personally meet with Antony and Octavian, since the latter two were fighting each other for control of the empire already by that point and ''would not have hesitated'' to immediately kill a third potential successor.

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** In Season 2, Cleopatra travels to Rome with Caesarion, the child she conceived had with Caesar before his assassination, to appeal to both Mark Antony and Octavian to endorse her son's his claim to the throne. In reality, Cleopatra was actually in Rome at the time of the assassination and immediately feared for her life and the life of the then-unborn Caesarion, her unborn baby's, and fled to Alexandria and stayed there until the political upheaval died down. Thus, it would have made no sense for Cleopatra and Caesarion to personally meet with Antony and Octavian, since the latter two were fighting each other for control of the empire already by that point themselves laying competing claims to Caesar's title and ''would not have hesitated'' to immediately kill a third potential successor. Caesarion's fate is also as an example, whereas in the show he [[spoiler:survives and lives with Titus Pullo]], in real life he was [[spoiler:killed on Octavian's orders]].
11th Jan '18 11:22:31 PM Scoutstr295
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** In season 1, Atia of the Julii mistakenly believes her son Octavian (the future Augustus) had a sexual encounter with her uncle Gaius Julius Caesar while they were alone in a closet together (in fact, Caesar had an epileptic fit and was trying to keep his condition a secret). She later applauds Octavian for it, and beams at the political influence this will give their family. This was intended to be DeliberateValuesDissonance due to her approving of pederasty. However, there are a few problems. Yes, it was perfectly acceptable for a Roman man to want to have sex with other men, or even boys of any age - as long as those men / boys were ''not other freeborn citizens''. A freeborn male, if sued by another citizen for "serving" another man sexually (i.e. bottoming or giving fellatio), could lose all his rights to ever be elected to political office, as well as lose his civil right of protection under the law.[[note]] He'd gain the status of "infamy", just like prostitutes, theatre actors and non-slave gladiators, all of whom were thought to sell sexual services at least on the side.[[/note]] And as the younger partner, Octavian would automatically be assumed to have bottomed.[[note]] This is actually were we get the rumors that Julius Caesar was bisexual: At age 19, he spent some time as a sort of ambassador to a foreign king's court, and there were rumors of them having an affair. As the younger, lower-ranking partner, Caesar would have had no legal defense if his political enemies had ever managed to make the rumors stick and take him to court over the matter. Hence the smear-campaign of "Ceasar is a man to any woman, and a woman to any man."[[/note]] Atia would never have risked her son's future like that. Also, Octavian was still a minor at the time (under 15) - in that case, any adult man who seduced him would be treated just as if he had raped him: with the death penalty. (Because it was thought that [[DefiledForever such a seduction would "corrupt" the future citizen into wanting to serve men sexually for the rest of his life]].)

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** In season Season 1, Atia of the Julii mistakenly believes her son Octavian (the future Augustus) had a sexual encounter with her uncle Gaius Julius Caesar while they were alone in a closet together (in fact, Caesar had an epileptic fit and was trying to keep his condition a secret). She later applauds Octavian for it, and beams at the political influence this will give their family. This was intended to be DeliberateValuesDissonance due to her approving of pederasty. However, there are a few problems. Yes, it was perfectly acceptable for a Roman man to want to have sex with other men, or even boys of any age - as long as those men / boys were ''not other freeborn citizens''. A freeborn male, if sued by another citizen for "serving" another man sexually (i.e. bottoming or giving fellatio), could lose all his rights to ever be elected to political office, as well as lose his civil right of protection under the law.[[note]] He'd gain the status of "infamy", just like prostitutes, theatre actors and non-slave gladiators, all of whom were thought to sell sexual services at least on the side.[[/note]] And as the younger partner, Octavian would automatically be assumed to have bottomed.[[note]] This is actually were we get the rumors that Julius Caesar was bisexual: At age 19, he spent some time as a sort of ambassador to a foreign king's court, and there were rumors of them having an affair. As the younger, lower-ranking partner, Caesar would have had no legal defense if his political enemies had ever managed to make the rumors stick and take him to court over the matter. Hence the smear-campaign of "Ceasar is a man to any woman, and a woman to any man."[[/note]] Atia would never have risked her son's future like that. Also, Octavian was still a minor at the time (under 15) - in that case, any adult man who seduced him would be treated just as if he had raped him: with the death penalty. (Because it was thought that [[DefiledForever such a seduction would "corrupt" the future citizen into wanting to serve men sexually for the rest of his life]].))
** In Season 2, Cleopatra travels to Rome with Caesarion, the child she conceived with Caesar before his assassination, to appeal to both Mark Antony and Octavian to endorse her son's claim to the throne. In reality, Cleopatra was actually in Rome at the time of the assassination and immediately feared for her life and the life of the then-unborn Caesarion, and fled to Alexandria and stayed there until the political upheaval died down. Thus, it would have made no sense for Cleopatra and Caesarion to personally meet with Antony and Octavian, since the latter two were fighting each other for control of the empire already by that point and ''would not have hesitated'' to immediately kill a third potential successor.
30th Dec '17 9:09:53 AM Wyldchyld
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* {{Guyliner}}: On Mark Antony, when he's in Egypt. [[FetishFuel YUM.]]

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* {{Guyliner}}: On Mark Antony, when he's in Egypt. [[FetishFuel YUM.]]
25th Dec '17 4:50:25 AM Psychopompos007
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In season 1, Atia of the Julii mistakenly believes her son Octavian (the future Augustus) had a sexual encounter with her uncle Gaius Julius Caesar while they were alone in a closet together (in fact, Caesar had an epileptic fit and was trying to keep his condition a secret). She later applauds Octavian for it, and beams at the political influence this will give their family. This was intended to be DeliberateValuesDissonance due to her approving of pederasty. However, there are a few problems. Yes, it was perfectly acceptable for a Roman man to want to have sex with other men, or even boys of any age - as long as those men / boys were ''not other freeborn citizens''. A freeborn male, if sued by another citizen for "serving" another man sexually (i.e. bottoming or giving fellatio), could lose all his rights to ever be elected to political office, as well as lose his civil right of protection under the law.[[note]] He'd gain the status of "infamy", just like prostitutes, theatre actors and non-slave gladiators, all of whom were thought to sell sexual services at least on the side.[[/note]] And as the younger partner, Octavian would automatically be assumed to have bottomed.[[note]] This is actually were we get the rumors that Julius Caesar was bisexual: At age 19, he spent some time as a sort of ambassador to a foreign king's court, and there were rumors of them having an affair. As the younger, lower-ranking partner, Caesar would have had no legal defense if his political enemies had ever managed to make the rumors stick and take him to court over the matter. Hence the smear-campaign of "Ceasar is a man to any woman, and a woman to any man."[[/note]] Atia would never have risked her son's future like that. Also, Octavian was still a minor at the time (under 15) - in that case, any adult man who seduced him would be treated just as if he had raped him: with the death penalty. (Because it was thought that [[DefiledForever such a seduction would "corrupt" the future citizen into wanting to serve men sexually for the rest of his life]].)

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In season 1, Atia of the Julii mistakenly believes her son Octavian (the future Augustus) had a sexual encounter with her uncle Gaius Julius Caesar while they were alone in a closet together (in fact, Caesar had an epileptic fit and was trying to keep his condition a secret). She later applauds Octavian for it, and beams at the political influence this will give their family. This was intended to be DeliberateValuesDissonance due to her approving of pederasty. However, there are a few problems. Yes, it was perfectly acceptable for a Roman man to want to have sex with other men, or even boys of any age - as long as those men / boys were ''not other freeborn citizens''. A freeborn male, if sued by another citizen for "serving" another man sexually (i.e. bottoming or giving fellatio), could lose all his rights to ever be elected to political office, as well as lose his civil right of protection under the law.[[note]] He'd gain the status of "infamy", just like prostitutes, theatre actors and non-slave gladiators, all of whom were thought to sell sexual services at least on the side.[[/note]] And as the younger partner, Octavian would automatically be assumed to have bottomed.[[note]] This is actually were we get the rumors that Julius Caesar was bisexual: At age 19, he spent some time as a sort of ambassador to a foreign king's court, and there were rumors of them having an affair. As the younger, lower-ranking partner, Caesar would have had no legal defense if his political enemies had ever managed to make the rumors stick and take him to court over the matter. Hence the smear-campaign of "Ceasar is a man to any woman, and a woman to any man."[[/note]] Atia would never have risked her son's future like that. Also, Octavian was still a minor at the time (under 15) - in that case, any adult man who seduced him would be treated just as if he had raped him: with the death penalty. (Because it was thought that [[DefiledForever such a seduction would "corrupt" the future citizen into wanting to serve men sexually for the rest of his life]].))
** Titus Pullo is a real person, but he was a centurion instead of a basic legionary. He also took part in the Pharsalus battle (on Pompey side).
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