History Series / IClaudius

21st Jun '16 7:13:40 PM Narsil
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** To Caligula, it's Livia is a case of GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave. But it's presented as perversion on his part (one of his many, many perversions).

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** To Caligula, it's Livia is a case of GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave. But it's presented as perversion on his part (one of his many, many perversions).
21st Jun '16 7:12:32 PM Narsil
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* IWasQuiteALooker: Livia in "What Shall We Do About Claudius?". She is also a case of GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave, as stated by the person she was addressing in the above episode.

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* IWasQuiteALooker: We see [[EvilMatriarch Augustus's wife Livia]] as a middle-aged woman, then an elderly widow, then an unbelievably old crone. But as she comments to Claudius late in life, she was quite a dish in her youth:
-->'''Claudius:''' The most beautiful in the world, they say.\\
'''Livia:''' There was one other. [[UsefulNotes/CleopatraVII But she was in Egypt]]. And besides, she didn't last as long as I have.
** To Caligula, it's
Livia in "What Shall We Do About Claudius?". She is also a case of GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave, GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave. But it's presented as stated by the person she was addressing in the above episode.perversion on his part (one of his many, many perversions).
6th Jun '16 5:34:08 PM costanton11
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** John Rhys-Davies' character, Macro, plays a key role in the downfall of Sejanus and accession of Caligula, and then disappears without explanation. In the book, Caligula soon got suspicious of him (probably correctly, for once), tricked him into giving up the command of the Praetorian Guard by promising to make him the governor of Egypt instead, and then had him arrested and forced both him and his wife to commit suicide.

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** John Rhys-Davies' character, Macro, plays a key role in the downfall of Sejanus and accession of Caligula, and then disappears without explanation.explanation, although it's implied that he died since Caligula mentioned that he considered giving Cassius his command. In the book, Caligula soon got suspicious of him (probably correctly, for once), tricked him into giving up the command of the Praetorian Guard by promising to make him the governor of Egypt instead, and then had him arrested and forced both him and his wife to commit suicide.
23rd May '16 4:15:04 PM costanton11
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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Pretty much all men in the series bear one or more of the names Tiberius, Nero, Gaius, Drusus, or Germanicus, and of course Julius, Claudius, or Caesar, with other recurring names such as Marcus, Lucius, and Agrippa thrown in, while many of the women are some variant of Julia, Livia or Agrippina. It's discussed in the novel, where Claudius muses on how much his own historical research has been hampered by the inability of earlier authors to keep their Steves separated and distinct, and that he'll have to be careful not to fall into the same trap. This is actually TruthInTelevision: in the upper crust of Roman society, the variety of first names for men was quite limited, and for women even more limited. A given ''gens'' (clan, more or less) would often recycle anywhere from two to six given names and certain variations on them, to the point where a man named Quintus, say, might have three sons named Quintus distinguished by different middle names or epithets like "Elder", "Younger", "the Tall", "The Dark", etc.

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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Pretty much all men in the series bear one or more of the names Tiberius, Nero, Gaius, Drusus, or Germanicus, and of course Julius, Claudius, or Caesar, with other recurring names such as Marcus, Lucius, and Agrippa thrown in, while many of the women are some variant of Julia, Livia or Agrippina.Agrippina, with a few Octavias and Drusillas as well. It's discussed in the novel, where Claudius muses on how much his own historical research has been hampered by the inability of earlier authors to keep their Steves separated and distinct, and that he'll have to be careful not to fall into the same trap. This is actually TruthInTelevision: in the upper crust of Roman society, the variety of first names for men was quite limited, and for women even more limited. A given ''gens'' (clan, more or less) would often recycle anywhere from two to six given names and certain variations on them, to the point where a man named Quintus, say, might have three sons named Quintus distinguished by different middle names or epithets like "Elder", "Younger", "the Tall", "The Dark", etc.
22nd May '16 11:00:56 AM costanton11
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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Pretty much all men in the series bear one or more of the names Tiberius, Nero, Gaius, Drusus, or Germanicus, while many of the women are some variant of Julia, Livia or Agrippina. It's discussed in the novel, where Claudius muses on how much his own historical research has been hampered by the inability of earlier authors to keep their Steves separated and distinct, and that he'll have to be careful not to fall into the same trap. This is actually TruthInTelevision: in the upper crust of Roman society, the variety of first names for men was quite limited, and for women even more limited. A given ''gens'' (clan, more or less) would often recycle anywhere from two to six given names and certain variations on them, to the point where a man named Quintus, say, might have three sons named Quintus distinguished by different middle names or epithets like "Elder", "Younger", "the Tall", "The Dark", etc.

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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Pretty much all men in the series bear one or more of the names Tiberius, Nero, Gaius, Drusus, or Germanicus, and of course Julius, Claudius, or Caesar, with other recurring names such as Marcus, Lucius, and Agrippa thrown in, while many of the women are some variant of Julia, Livia or Agrippina. It's discussed in the novel, where Claudius muses on how much his own historical research has been hampered by the inability of earlier authors to keep their Steves separated and distinct, and that he'll have to be careful not to fall into the same trap. This is actually TruthInTelevision: in the upper crust of Roman society, the variety of first names for men was quite limited, and for women even more limited. A given ''gens'' (clan, more or less) would often recycle anywhere from two to six given names and certain variations on them, to the point where a man named Quintus, say, might have three sons named Quintus distinguished by different middle names or epithets like "Elder", "Younger", "the Tall", "The Dark", etc.
14th May '16 6:25:22 PM mlsmithca
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-->'''Tiberius:''': Let me go you fat, drunken cow!
-->'''Julia:''': FAT?!

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-->'''Tiberius:''': -->'''Tiberius:''' Let me go you fat, drunken cow!
-->'''Julia:''': -->'''Julia:''' FAT?!
2nd May '16 6:14:32 PM costanton11
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** Tiberius' son Drusus is mainly referred to as Castor.
2nd May '16 6:12:47 PM costanton11
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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Pretty much all men in the series bear one or more of the names Tiberius, Nero, Gaius or Germanicus, while many of the women are some variant of Julia, Livia or Agrippina. It's discussed in the novel, where Claudius muses on how much his own historical research has been hampered by the inability of earlier authors to keep their Steves separated and distinct, and that he'll have to be careful not to fall into the same trap. This is actually TruthInTelevision: in the upper crust of Roman society, the variety of first names for men was quite limited, and for women even more limited. A given ''gens'' (clan, more or less) would often recycle anywhere from two to six given names and certain variations on them, to the point where a man named Quintus, say, might have three sons named Quintus distinguished by different middle names or epithets like "Elder", "Younger", "the Tall", "The Dark", etc.

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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Pretty much all men in the series bear one or more of the names Tiberius, Nero, Gaius Gaius, Drusus, or Germanicus, while many of the women are some variant of Julia, Livia or Agrippina. It's discussed in the novel, where Claudius muses on how much his own historical research has been hampered by the inability of earlier authors to keep their Steves separated and distinct, and that he'll have to be careful not to fall into the same trap. This is actually TruthInTelevision: in the upper crust of Roman society, the variety of first names for men was quite limited, and for women even more limited. A given ''gens'' (clan, more or less) would often recycle anywhere from two to six given names and certain variations on them, to the point where a man named Quintus, say, might have three sons named Quintus distinguished by different middle names or epithets like "Elder", "Younger", "the Tall", "The Dark", etc.
2nd Apr '16 9:46:32 PM mlsmithca
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** Messalina's reaction to being told she can't see Claudius. Her slow, eye-bulging, 360 look at the soldiers surrounding her is rather expressive.

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** Messalina's reaction to being told she can't see Claudius. Her slow, eye-bulging, 360 look at the soldiers surrounding her is rather expressive. She gets a second one shortly afterward when Praetorian guardsman Geta shows up with a warrant for her execution with Claudius' signature on it.
2nd Apr '16 9:38:40 PM mlsmithca
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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: Did all the signs and prophecies mentioned in the series really come true, or were they just coincidences? Did Claudius really see the Sibyl on his deathbed or was it just a DyingDream? Did Herod die a horrible death because he tried to set himself up as a god and the real God struck him down, or was ''that'' just a coincidence? The narrative seems to imply that supernatural forces might have been at work within the story, (and many of the characters were dead certain of it, at least.)

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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: MaybeMagicMaybeMundane:
**
Did all the signs and prophecies mentioned in the series really come true, or were they just coincidences? Did Claudius really see the Sibyl on his deathbed or was it just a DyingDream? Did Herod die a horrible death because he tried to set himself up as a god and the real God struck him down, or was ''that'' just a coincidence? The narrative seems to imply that supernatural forces might have been at work within the story, story (and many of the characters were dead certain of it, at least.) least).



* OhCrap: Several, but extra points to Sejanus' look when Tiberius denounces him in the senate. Also, Messalina's reaction to being told she can't see Claudius. Her slow, eye-bulging, 360 look at the soldiers surrounding her is rather expressive.

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* OhCrap: Several, but extra OhCrap:
** Extra
points to Sejanus' look when Tiberius denounces him in the senate. Also, Senate; he assumes that Macro has delivered a proclamation naming him to a position of even more responsibility, and his proud expression gradually gives way to absolute terror as Tiberius' message shifts to observing how terrible it is to have deep trust betrayed.
** At the celebration of Messalina's bigamous marriage to Silius, Mnester is busy joking about seeing a cloud in the shape of Claudius rising over Ostia, until it farts and blows itself out to sea - but his demeanour changes from playful to alarmed in a heartbeat as he announces that he can see a troop of guards marching up the hill toward the villa. Silius bids him welcome them and give them wine, but Mnester says their swords are drawn. A MassOhCrap follows soon after when one of the guests runs in, screaming that Claudius has returned to Rome and the guards have come to arrest them all.
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Messalina's reaction to being told she can't see Claudius. Her slow, eye-bulging, 360 look at the soldiers surrounding her is rather expressive.



* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Pretty much all men in the series bear one or more of the names Tiberius, Nero, Gaius or Germanicus, while many of the women are some variant of Julia, Livia or Agrippina. It's discussed in the novel, where Claudius muses on how much his own historical research has been hampered by the inability of earlier authors to keep their Steves separated and distinct, and that he'll have to be careful ot to fall into the same trap.
** This is actually TruthInTelevision: In the upper crust of Roman society, the variety of first names for men was quite limited, and for women even more limited. A given ''gens'' (clan, more or less) would often recycle anywhere from two to six given names and certain variations on them, to the point where A man named Quintus, say, might have three sons named Quintus distinguished by different middle names or epithets like "Elder", "Younger", "the Tall", "The Dark", etc.

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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Pretty much all men in the series bear one or more of the names Tiberius, Nero, Gaius or Germanicus, while many of the women are some variant of Julia, Livia or Agrippina. It's discussed in the novel, where Claudius muses on how much his own historical research has been hampered by the inability of earlier authors to keep their Steves separated and distinct, and that he'll have to be careful ot not to fall into the same trap.
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trap. This is actually TruthInTelevision: In in the upper crust of Roman society, the variety of first names for men was quite limited, and for women even more limited. A given ''gens'' (clan, more or less) would often recycle anywhere from two to six given names and certain variations on them, to the point where A a man named Quintus, say, might have three sons named Quintus distinguished by different middle names or epithets like "Elder", "Younger", "the Tall", "The Dark", etc.
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