History SadisticChoice / VideoGames

25th Apr '17 7:43:47 PM Onlythrice
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** Episode 4: [[spoiler:Ben, who's been TheLoad for almost the entire season, falls off the balcony in Crawford's belltower. You have to either let him go, fufilling his DeathSeeker mentalities, or save him.]]

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** Episode 4: [[spoiler:Ben, who's been TheLoad for almost the entire season, falls off the balcony in Crawford's belltower. You have to either let him go, fufilling fulfilling his DeathSeeker mentalities, or save him.]]


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** An especially cruel example happens near the end of Season 3. [[spoiler: The final choice of Episode 4 has you begging the BigBad, [[BitchInSheepsClothing Joan]], to spare one of your friends. You're forced to choose between Tripp, a friend who's been with you since the start that you may or may not have recently fallen out with, or Ava, a new ally who's been nothing but helpful to you and Clementine. What the player probably doesn't know is that [[YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo whoever you pick dies]], and the other isn't too happy that you'd be willing to sacrifice them.]]
2nd Apr '17 2:27:54 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* ''Videogame/FableII'' ends with you having to make one of three choices: [[spoiler: use the power of the Spire to resurrect everyone in your family Lucien killed -- your husband/wife, your kids, your dog, even your long-dead sister comes back for a while -- or use it to resurrect the thousands that Lucien killed to power up the Spire. Or you can choose to take 1,000,000 gold, but that's both a major dick move and outside the bounds of this trope. It's not ''quite'' a SadisticChoice, as under normal circumstances all of these people would stay dead, but still a good source of angst if you're looking for one.]]

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* Franchise/{{Fable}}
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''Videogame/FableII'' ends with you having to make one of three choices: [[spoiler: use the power of the Spire to resurrect everyone in your family Lucien killed -- your husband/wife, your kids, your dog, even your long-dead sister comes back for a while -- or use it to resurrect the thousands that Lucien killed to power up the Spire. Or you can choose to take 1,000,000 gold, but that's both a major dick move and outside the bounds of this trope. It's not ''quite'' a SadisticChoice, as under normal circumstances all of these people would stay dead, but still a good source of angst if you're looking for one.]]


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** When you finally take Logan down, [[spoiler: you find out [[VillainHasAPoint he actually had a valid reason for being a tyrant]] - he had to make money to fight [[GreaterScopeVillain the Darkness.]] This leads to another rather unpleasant choice, you can A) keep the promises you made to everyone (in which case many of them will be slaughtered when it comes) or B), break them, and save humanity at the cost of becoming as bad as Logan was. There is a third option, but it's difficult and requires a ''lot'' of planning, and this is to buy ''every'' piece of property you can, and delay the FinalBattle until you have enough money from rent to pay the expenses required to fight the Darkness personally. (Even then, the rather FamilyUnfriendlyAesop is that only those with the money to do so can truly save humanity, which is true more often than not).]]


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26th Mar '17 9:39:40 PM sgamer82
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** At the end of ''Legion's'' Val'sharah storyline, Xavius tries to force one of these on Tyrande Whisperwind. Pursue him to rescue her husband Malfurion, or return to the Temple of Elune to protect it from the corrupted dragon he has unleashed on it. Tyrande, however, immediately chooses to rush to her goddess' temple to protect it, then tasks the player with rescuing Malfurion.

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** At the end of ''Legion's'' Val'sharah storyline, Xavius tries to force one of these on Tyrande Whisperwind. Pursue him to rescue her husband Malfurion, or return to the Temple of Elune Elune, the goddess Tyrande is priestess of, to protect it from the corrupted dragon he has unleashed on it. Tyrande, however, immediately chooses to rush to her goddess' the temple to protect it, then tasks the player with rescuing Malfurion.
26th Mar '17 9:36:58 PM sgamer82
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* ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' has Sylvanas, known for doing a lot of [[KickTheDog monsterous things]] (and yet [[DracoInLeatherPants never seeming to get cited for it]] ), takes [[RebelLeader Darius Crowley's]] [[ActionGirl daughter]] hostage and offers him the following options: Surrender and retreat, giving up his homeland and abandoning the battle, or have his daughter [[YouWillBeAssimilated killed and then reanimated as one of the forsaken]].

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* ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' has Sylvanas, known for doing a lot of [[KickTheDog monsterous things]] (and yet [[DracoInLeatherPants never seeming to get cited for it]] ), ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'':
** Sylvanas
takes [[RebelLeader Darius Crowley's]] [[ActionGirl daughter]] hostage and offers him the following options: Surrender and retreat, giving up his homeland and abandoning the battle, or have his daughter [[YouWillBeAssimilated killed and then reanimated as one of the forsaken]].


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** At the end of ''Legion's'' Val'sharah storyline, Xavius tries to force one of these on Tyrande Whisperwind. Pursue him to rescue her husband Malfurion, or return to the Temple of Elune to protect it from the corrupted dragon he has unleashed on it. Tyrande, however, immediately chooses to rush to her goddess' temple to protect it, then tasks the player with rescuing Malfurion.
22nd Mar '17 2:04:06 PM Crackalacking
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* Near the end of the prologue in ''VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder'', Deathshead has Blazkowicz and his surviving squad mates captured, and forces Blazkowicz to choose either Fergus or Wyatt to be taken away and "put to the scalpel". Doing so changes the story in a number of ways, both subtle (hotwiring/lock-picking minigame) and not-so-subtle (different characters join LaResistance depending on who you save).

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* Near the end of the prologue in ''VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder'', Deathshead has Blazkowicz and his surviving squad mates captured, and forces Blazkowicz to choose either Fergus or Wyatt to be taken away and "put to the scalpel". Doing so changes the story in a number of ways, both subtle (hotwiring/lock-picking minigame) and not-so-subtle (different characters join LaResistance depending on who you save). And there's no [[TakeaThirdOption third option]] either - take too long to choose, and you ALL die. You ''have'' to choose either Fergus or Wyatt.
2nd Jan '17 9:04:47 AM MyFinalEdits
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* In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'', Hot Coldman, in a manner similar to SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker's "Social Experiment" from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', managed to leak Peace Walker's false data to NORAD with the intention of forcing the military to choose between launching nukes, namely with the belief that humans don't possess the will to launch nukes, although he also hints that he truly doesn't care if they did launch in either case.

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* ''Franchise/MetalGear'':
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In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'', Hot Coldman, in a manner similar to SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker's "Social Experiment" from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', managed to leak Peace Walker's false data to NORAD with the intention of forcing the military to choose between launching nukes, namely with the belief that humans don't possess the will to launch nukes, although he also hints that he truly doesn't care if they did launch in either case.



* There may be a trend here: like ''FarCry 2'' and ''VideoGame/InFamous'', ''AlphaProtocol'' forces you to choose between the life of someone you care about, and the lives of many people you don't know. [[spoiler:And just like them, the character you care about exits the story either way (though for once, she has a chance of not exiting in a body bag.)]] Interestingly in [[spoiler: Rome]], the choice is even more difficult. While the utilitarian decesion is to save the greater number of people, saving [[spoiler: just Madison]] hurts the greater objectives of Halbeck further as she survives to campaign against them politically whereas if she dies the anti-terror laws, that were the motive of the attack, are passed.
** Alpha Protocol has another example in the Taipei missions: Thorton has to stop Omen Deng from assassinating Taiwanese President Ronald Sung [[spoiler: or at least he ''thinks'' Omen Deng is the assassin]] and at one point, he manages to recover Omen Deng's flash drive. The problem? The flash drive has protection software that ''deletes the disk when opened'', so Thorton has to choose to either save the data about the assassination, or save the data about deliberately instigated riots planned to happen in the future. If he saves the data about the assassination, President Ronald Sung's life is saved but hundreds of people get killed in the ensuing riots. If he saves the data about the riots, the president puts extra security around to stop the riots before they happen, but the assassin successfully kills Sung.
* In ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' you can invoke this on any inexperienced Engineer. When you sap his sentry you have to force him to either fix it, resulting in you being able to get away and possibly sapping again, or try and kill you and risk loosing his sentry. Most inexperienced Engies do not realise that the spy can instantaneously place a second Sapper as soon as the first one is removed, and those that do are often not nimble enough to catch experienced spies, who often lure them away long enough so that the sapper destroys the sentry.
** In this, [[TakeAThirdOption the third option]] for the Engineer would be to [[spoiler: alert their teammates that a [[MemeticMutation "SPAH'S SAPPIN' MAH SENTRY!"]] and let them do the gunning down while the Engy fixes his sentry.]]
** Similarly, any person who plays Medic will at some point come across a situation where two or more people run up to them while burning or bleeding to death with neither dispenser nor health kit in sight. Your healing beam can only focus on one patient at a time. Occasionally the victims will have enough health that a particularly fast and skilled Medic will be able to bounce just enough healing to each patient for all of them to survive, but this is rarely the case.
* None of the endings in VideoGame/DeusEx are exactly happy but a better example occurs when JC is holed up with his injured brother. Government agents arrive and you can either go out through the door to fight them or slip out the window and leave Paul to his fate. The choice is more difficult if you have specialized your character for stealth.
** [[spoiler:This becomes almost a non choice if you know that you get captured when you're "killed" (which will happen inevitably regardless of choice) and that the only thing that truly chooses whether Paul lives or dies is if you exit the room via the door or escape out the window, respectively.]]

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* There may be a trend here: like ''FarCry 2'' and ''VideoGame/InFamous'', ''AlphaProtocol'' ''VideoGame/AlphaProtocol'':
** The game
forces you to choose between the life of someone you care about, and the lives of many people you don't know. [[spoiler:And just like them, the character you care about exits the story either way (though for once, she has a chance of not exiting in a body bag.)]] Interestingly in [[spoiler: Rome]], the choice is even more difficult. While the utilitarian decesion is to save the greater number of people, saving [[spoiler: just Madison]] hurts the greater objectives of Halbeck further as she survives to campaign against them politically whereas if she dies the anti-terror laws, that were the motive of the attack, are passed.
** Alpha Protocol has another example in During the Taipei missions: missions, Thorton has to stop Omen Deng from assassinating Taiwanese President Ronald Sung [[spoiler: or at least he ''thinks'' Omen Deng is the assassin]] and at one point, he manages to recover Omen Deng's flash drive. The problem? The flash drive has protection software that ''deletes the disk when opened'', so Thorton has to choose to either save the data about the assassination, or save the data about deliberately instigated riots planned to happen in the future. If he saves the data about the assassination, President Ronald Sung's life is saved but hundreds of people get killed in the ensuing riots. If he saves the data about the riots, the president puts extra security around to stop the riots before they happen, but the assassin successfully kills Sung.
* In ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' you ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'':
** You
can invoke this on any inexperienced Engineer. When you sap his sentry you have to force him to either fix it, resulting in you being able to get away and possibly sapping again, or try and kill you and risk loosing his sentry. Most inexperienced Engies do not realise that the spy can instantaneously place a second Sapper as soon as the first one is removed, and those that do are often not nimble enough to catch experienced spies, who often lure them away long enough so that the sapper destroys the sentry.
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sentry. In this, [[TakeAThirdOption the third option]] for the Engineer would be to [[spoiler: alert their teammates that a [[MemeticMutation "SPAH'S SAPPIN' MAH SENTRY!"]] and let them do the gunning down while the Engy fixes his sentry.]]
** Similarly, any Any person who plays Medic will at some point come across a situation where two or more people run up to them while burning or bleeding to death with neither dispenser nor health kit in sight. Your healing beam can only focus on one patient at a time. Occasionally the victims will have enough health that a particularly fast and skilled Medic will be able to bounce just enough healing to each patient for all of them to survive, but this is rarely the case.
* None of the endings in VideoGame/DeusEx ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' are exactly happy but a better an example occurs when JC is holed up with his injured brother. Government agents arrive and you can either go out through the door to fight them or slip out the window and leave Paul to his fate. The choice is more difficult if you have specialized your character for stealth.
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stealth. [[spoiler:This becomes almost a non choice if you know that you get captured when you're "killed" (which will happen inevitably regardless of choice) and that the only thing that truly chooses whether Paul lives or dies is if you exit the room via the door or escape out the window, respectively.]]



* In the penultimate story mission of ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'': [[spoiler: The player is forced to choose between going to Magarac Island to save some friends that STAG had kidnapped and strapped explosives to, but in doing so allow Killbane to escape; or go after Killbane and kill him, but in doing so allow your homies to die.]]
** Mocked in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' in the first mission, where you must choose one of two world-changing bills as a short button pressing event--a bill to support a cure for cancer ("Fuck Cancer") or a bill to end world hunger ("Let Them Eat Cake"). In a later mission, [[BigBad Zinyak]] offers you a choice to either continue your quest to rescue Matt Miller/oppose the Zin Empire (and face further opposition from the Zin) or give yourself up and ensure the safety of what's left of the human race (and [[spoiler: get a NonstandardGameOver where you're bluntly told [[ILied "ZINYAK LIED"]]]]).

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* ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'':
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In the penultimate story mission of ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'': mission, [[spoiler: The the player is forced to choose between going to Magarac Island to save some friends that STAG had kidnapped and strapped explosives to, but in doing so allow Killbane to escape; or go after Killbane and kill him, but in doing so allow your homies to die.]]
** Mocked in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' in the first mission, where you must choose one of two world-changing bills as a short button pressing event--a bill to support a cure for cancer ("Fuck Cancer") or a bill to end world hunger ("Let Them Eat Cake"). In a later mission, [[BigBad Zinyak]] offers you a choice to either continue your quest to rescue Matt Miller/oppose the Zin Empire (and face further opposition from the Zin) or give yourself up and ensure the safety of what's left of the human race (and [[spoiler: get a NonstandardGameOver where you're bluntly told [[ILied "ZINYAK LIED"]]]]).
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* Mocked in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' in the first mission, where you must choose one of two world-changing bills as a short button pressing event--a bill to support a cure for cancer ("Fuck Cancer") or a bill to end world hunger ("Let Them Eat Cake"). In a later mission, [[BigBad Zinyak]] offers you a choice to either continue your quest to rescue Matt Miller/oppose the Zin Empire (and face further opposition from the Zin) or give yourself up and ensure the safety of what's left of the human race (and [[spoiler: get a NonstandardGameOver where you're bluntly told [[ILied "ZINYAK LIED"]]]]).
1st Jan '17 4:30:09 PM Truffle
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* ''VideoGame/HeavyRain'' is fond of this, but the most prominent example is the chapter where Ethan is ordered to kill a drug dealer. At first it seems like it's going to be an easy choice, but then he shows you [[spoiler: a photo of his two young daughters, all while begging you not to shoot him.]] Suddenly the decision gets a whole lot harder, especially when you take into account that the killer won't reveal any more clues to Shaun's whereabouts unless Ethan kills the man.
1st Jan '17 4:20:18 PM Truffle
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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]] This wouldn't be much of a sadistic choice if not for the fact that ButtonMashing to survive the electrocution is frustratingly difficult, whilst submitting will save you time and sore thumbs.

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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]] This wouldn't be much of a sadistic choice if not for the fact that ButtonMashing to survive the electrocution is frustratingly difficult, whilst submitting will save you time and sore thumbs.is the easier, albeit less moral decision.
1st Jan '17 4:17:14 PM Truffle
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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]]

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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]]]] This wouldn't be much of a sadistic choice if not for the fact that ButtonMashing to survive the electrocution is frustratingly difficult, whilst submitting will save you time and sore thumbs.
1st Jan '17 4:15:14 PM Truffle
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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]]
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