History SadisticChoice / VideoGames

2nd Jan '17 9:04:47 AM MyFinalEdits
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* In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'', Hot Coldman, in a manner similar to SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker's "Social Experiment" from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', managed to leak Peace Walker's false data to NORAD with the intention of forcing the military to choose between launching nukes, namely with the belief that humans don't possess the will to launch nukes, although he also hints that he truly doesn't care if they did launch in either case.

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In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'', Hot Coldman, in a manner similar to SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker's "Social Experiment" from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', managed to leak Peace Walker's false data to NORAD with the intention of forcing the military to choose between launching nukes, namely with the belief that humans don't possess the will to launch nukes, although he also hints that he truly doesn't care if they did launch in either case.



* There may be a trend here: like ''FarCry 2'' and ''VideoGame/InFamous'', ''AlphaProtocol'' forces you to choose between the life of someone you care about, and the lives of many people you don't know. [[spoiler:And just like them, the character you care about exits the story either way (though for once, she has a chance of not exiting in a body bag.)]] Interestingly in [[spoiler: Rome]], the choice is even more difficult. While the utilitarian decesion is to save the greater number of people, saving [[spoiler: just Madison]] hurts the greater objectives of Halbeck further as she survives to campaign against them politically whereas if she dies the anti-terror laws, that were the motive of the attack, are passed.
** Alpha Protocol has another example in the Taipei missions: Thorton has to stop Omen Deng from assassinating Taiwanese President Ronald Sung [[spoiler: or at least he ''thinks'' Omen Deng is the assassin]] and at one point, he manages to recover Omen Deng's flash drive. The problem? The flash drive has protection software that ''deletes the disk when opened'', so Thorton has to choose to either save the data about the assassination, or save the data about deliberately instigated riots planned to happen in the future. If he saves the data about the assassination, President Ronald Sung's life is saved but hundreds of people get killed in the ensuing riots. If he saves the data about the riots, the president puts extra security around to stop the riots before they happen, but the assassin successfully kills Sung.
* In ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' you can invoke this on any inexperienced Engineer. When you sap his sentry you have to force him to either fix it, resulting in you being able to get away and possibly sapping again, or try and kill you and risk loosing his sentry. Most inexperienced Engies do not realise that the spy can instantaneously place a second Sapper as soon as the first one is removed, and those that do are often not nimble enough to catch experienced spies, who often lure them away long enough so that the sapper destroys the sentry.
** In this, [[TakeAThirdOption the third option]] for the Engineer would be to [[spoiler: alert their teammates that a [[MemeticMutation "SPAH'S SAPPIN' MAH SENTRY!"]] and let them do the gunning down while the Engy fixes his sentry.]]
** Similarly, any person who plays Medic will at some point come across a situation where two or more people run up to them while burning or bleeding to death with neither dispenser nor health kit in sight. Your healing beam can only focus on one patient at a time. Occasionally the victims will have enough health that a particularly fast and skilled Medic will be able to bounce just enough healing to each patient for all of them to survive, but this is rarely the case.
* None of the endings in VideoGame/DeusEx are exactly happy but a better example occurs when JC is holed up with his injured brother. Government agents arrive and you can either go out through the door to fight them or slip out the window and leave Paul to his fate. The choice is more difficult if you have specialized your character for stealth.
** [[spoiler:This becomes almost a non choice if you know that you get captured when you're "killed" (which will happen inevitably regardless of choice) and that the only thing that truly chooses whether Paul lives or dies is if you exit the room via the door or escape out the window, respectively.]]

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* There may be a trend here: like ''FarCry 2'' and ''VideoGame/InFamous'', ''AlphaProtocol'' ''VideoGame/AlphaProtocol'':
** The game
forces you to choose between the life of someone you care about, and the lives of many people you don't know. [[spoiler:And just like them, the character you care about exits the story either way (though for once, she has a chance of not exiting in a body bag.)]] Interestingly in [[spoiler: Rome]], the choice is even more difficult. While the utilitarian decesion is to save the greater number of people, saving [[spoiler: just Madison]] hurts the greater objectives of Halbeck further as she survives to campaign against them politically whereas if she dies the anti-terror laws, that were the motive of the attack, are passed.
** Alpha Protocol has another example in During the Taipei missions: missions, Thorton has to stop Omen Deng from assassinating Taiwanese President Ronald Sung [[spoiler: or at least he ''thinks'' Omen Deng is the assassin]] and at one point, he manages to recover Omen Deng's flash drive. The problem? The flash drive has protection software that ''deletes the disk when opened'', so Thorton has to choose to either save the data about the assassination, or save the data about deliberately instigated riots planned to happen in the future. If he saves the data about the assassination, President Ronald Sung's life is saved but hundreds of people get killed in the ensuing riots. If he saves the data about the riots, the president puts extra security around to stop the riots before they happen, but the assassin successfully kills Sung.
* In ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' you ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'':
** You
can invoke this on any inexperienced Engineer. When you sap his sentry you have to force him to either fix it, resulting in you being able to get away and possibly sapping again, or try and kill you and risk loosing his sentry. Most inexperienced Engies do not realise that the spy can instantaneously place a second Sapper as soon as the first one is removed, and those that do are often not nimble enough to catch experienced spies, who often lure them away long enough so that the sapper destroys the sentry.
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sentry. In this, [[TakeAThirdOption the third option]] for the Engineer would be to [[spoiler: alert their teammates that a [[MemeticMutation "SPAH'S SAPPIN' MAH SENTRY!"]] and let them do the gunning down while the Engy fixes his sentry.]]
** Similarly, any Any person who plays Medic will at some point come across a situation where two or more people run up to them while burning or bleeding to death with neither dispenser nor health kit in sight. Your healing beam can only focus on one patient at a time. Occasionally the victims will have enough health that a particularly fast and skilled Medic will be able to bounce just enough healing to each patient for all of them to survive, but this is rarely the case.
* None of the endings in VideoGame/DeusEx ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' are exactly happy but a better an example occurs when JC is holed up with his injured brother. Government agents arrive and you can either go out through the door to fight them or slip out the window and leave Paul to his fate. The choice is more difficult if you have specialized your character for stealth.
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stealth. [[spoiler:This becomes almost a non choice if you know that you get captured when you're "killed" (which will happen inevitably regardless of choice) and that the only thing that truly chooses whether Paul lives or dies is if you exit the room via the door or escape out the window, respectively.]]



* In the penultimate story mission of ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'': [[spoiler: The player is forced to choose between going to Magarac Island to save some friends that STAG had kidnapped and strapped explosives to, but in doing so allow Killbane to escape; or go after Killbane and kill him, but in doing so allow your homies to die.]]
** Mocked in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' in the first mission, where you must choose one of two world-changing bills as a short button pressing event--a bill to support a cure for cancer ("Fuck Cancer") or a bill to end world hunger ("Let Them Eat Cake"). In a later mission, [[BigBad Zinyak]] offers you a choice to either continue your quest to rescue Matt Miller/oppose the Zin Empire (and face further opposition from the Zin) or give yourself up and ensure the safety of what's left of the human race (and [[spoiler: get a NonstandardGameOver where you're bluntly told [[ILied "ZINYAK LIED"]]]]).

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* ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'':
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In the penultimate story mission of ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'': mission, [[spoiler: The the player is forced to choose between going to Magarac Island to save some friends that STAG had kidnapped and strapped explosives to, but in doing so allow Killbane to escape; or go after Killbane and kill him, but in doing so allow your homies to die.]]
** Mocked in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' in the first mission, where you must choose one of two world-changing bills as a short button pressing event--a bill to support a cure for cancer ("Fuck Cancer") or a bill to end world hunger ("Let Them Eat Cake"). In a later mission, [[BigBad Zinyak]] offers you a choice to either continue your quest to rescue Matt Miller/oppose the Zin Empire (and face further opposition from the Zin) or give yourself up and ensure the safety of what's left of the human race (and [[spoiler: get a NonstandardGameOver where you're bluntly told [[ILied "ZINYAK LIED"]]]]).
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* Mocked in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' in the first mission, where you must choose one of two world-changing bills as a short button pressing event--a bill to support a cure for cancer ("Fuck Cancer") or a bill to end world hunger ("Let Them Eat Cake"). In a later mission, [[BigBad Zinyak]] offers you a choice to either continue your quest to rescue Matt Miller/oppose the Zin Empire (and face further opposition from the Zin) or give yourself up and ensure the safety of what's left of the human race (and [[spoiler: get a NonstandardGameOver where you're bluntly told [[ILied "ZINYAK LIED"]]]]).
1st Jan '17 4:30:09 PM Truffle
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* ''VideoGame/HeavyRain'' is fond of this, but the most prominent example is the chapter where Ethan is ordered to kill a drug dealer. At first it seems like it's going to be an easy choice, but then he shows you [[spoiler: a photo of his two young daughters, all while begging you not to shoot him.]] Suddenly the decision gets a whole lot harder, especially when you take into account that the killer won't reveal any more clues to Shaun's whereabouts unless Ethan kills the man.
1st Jan '17 4:20:18 PM Truffle
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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]] This wouldn't be much of a sadistic choice if not for the fact that ButtonMashing to survive the electrocution is frustratingly difficult, whilst submitting will save you time and sore thumbs.

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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]] This wouldn't be much of a sadistic choice if not for the fact that ButtonMashing to survive the electrocution is frustratingly difficult, whilst submitting will save you time and sore thumbs.is the easier, albeit less moral decision.
1st Jan '17 4:17:14 PM Truffle
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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]]

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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]]]] This wouldn't be much of a sadistic choice if not for the fact that ButtonMashing to survive the electrocution is frustratingly difficult, whilst submitting will save you time and sore thumbs.
1st Jan '17 4:15:14 PM Truffle
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** A variation occurs in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid.'' When Snake is captured, Ocelot gives him two choices; endure torture, or submit and accept defeat. A few hints are dropped in the dialogue beforehand, but the repercussions aren't explicitly clear until you reach the end of the game. Submitting results in [[spoiler: Meryl's death,]] while enduring the torture [[spoiler: saves her.]]
1st Jan '17 4:09:58 PM Truffle
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* Invoked by Eggman during ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2.'' Sonic has the last chaos emerald needed to power the ARK's laser cannon, and in order to coerce Sonic into cooperating, Eggman holds Amy hostage, threatening to shoot her unless Sonic hands over the emerald. [[spoiler: Naturally Sonic chooses to save Amy, but Eggman was well aware that the emerald was fake, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard using Sonic's own ploy against him.]]]]
24th Dec '16 11:50:00 AM nombretomado
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* A sadistic choice plays a pivotal role in the backstory of ''{{Arcanum}}'': one of the dwarf clans carelessly allowed humans access to their secrets of technology, humans [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters used that technology to destructive ends]], and a delegation of elves petitioned the dwarf king Loghaire Thunderstone to allow them retribution against the clan (elves, being InHarmonyWithNature, suffered most from the industrial revolution). To allow elves to interfere in the dwarven justice system would violate the clan's honor, but upsetting the elves could have led to a war which would have devastated the continent. Loghaire eventually gave in to the elves' demands, but was so ashamed of his decision that he abdicated the throne and exiled himself from his people.

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* A sadistic choice plays a pivotal role in the backstory of ''{{Arcanum}}'': ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'': one of the dwarf clans carelessly allowed humans access to their secrets of technology, humans [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters used that technology to destructive ends]], and a delegation of elves petitioned the dwarf king Loghaire Thunderstone to allow them retribution against the clan (elves, being InHarmonyWithNature, suffered most from the industrial revolution). To allow elves to interfere in the dwarven justice system would violate the clan's honor, but upsetting the elves could have led to a war which would have devastated the continent. Loghaire eventually gave in to the elves' demands, but was so ashamed of his decision that he abdicated the throne and exiled himself from his people.
28th Nov '16 3:35:00 PM MummyGaGa
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* Episode Four of VideoGame/BatmanTheTelltaleSeries provided a huge one. [[spoiler: Harvey Dent wanted to go into Wayne Manor to defeat Bruce Wayne while Penguin was attempting to hack into the bat-computer while he is inside Wayne Enterprises. Either you must head back to Wayne Manor to stop Harvey Dent while forcing Batman to give up all of technology to prevent Penguin into hacking the bat-computer and knowing everything about Batman or you head to Wayne Enterprises to stop Penguin while leaving the fates of Alfred and Lucius unknown when Wayne Manor was burnt to the ground.]]
9th Nov '16 9:33:44 AM nombretomado
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* Rare example not offered to the story's hero: Torn in ''JakIIRenegade'' has to make a [[FriendOrIdolDecision Love Interest or Underground Movement Decision]]. He chooses Ashelin over the Underground, and as a result Praxis gets his hands on the Precursor Stone.

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* Rare example not offered to the story's hero: Torn in ''JakIIRenegade'' ''VideoGame/JakIIRenegade'' has to make a [[FriendOrIdolDecision Love Interest or Underground Movement Decision]]. He chooses Ashelin over the Underground, and as a result Praxis gets his hands on the Precursor Stone.
17th Oct '16 3:33:07 AM Morgenthaler
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* At one point in ''AdventRising'', you are forced to choose to save either your brother or your fiancee. [[spoiler:The one you choose to save ends up dead later in the story, and the villains [[WhatTheHellHero guilt trip you for failing to save the other one]]. Worse yet, there's a glitch that sometimes switches your choice to the other person, so it's all meaningless]].

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* At one point in ''AdventRising'', ''VideoGame/AdventRising'', you are forced to choose to save either your brother or your fiancee. [[spoiler:The one you choose to save ends up dead later in the story, and the villains [[WhatTheHellHero guilt trip you for failing to save the other one]]. Worse yet, there's a glitch that sometimes switches your choice to the other person, so it's all meaningless]].
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