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* DealWithTheDevil: Asmodeus is the god of these; devils thay serve him will [[IGaveMyWord always]] honor the ExactWords of contracts they sign, and ''only'' the ExactWords. It's common practice in Cheliax for people who believe that they're going to Hell anyway to sell their soul to specific devils in exchange for various benefits; most of the Project Lawful researchers are coerced into selling their soul for permanent Arcane Sight.
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* DealWithTheDevil: Asmodeus is the god of these; devils thay that serve him will [[IGaveMyWord always]] honor the ExactWords of contracts they sign, and ''only'' the ExactWords. It's common practice in Cheliax for people who believe that they're going to Hell anyway to sell their soul to specific devils in exchange for various benefits; most of the Project Lawful researchers are coerced into selling their soul for permanent Arcane Sight.
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--->'''Abrogail:''' Let Subirachs inflict whatever worse punishment on Sevar she likes so long as it is not [[spoiler:a ''sexual'' one]]! How about a pit of venomous spiders? Many people fear being thrown into a pit of venomous spiders! Even the ones who don't fear it the first time oft fear it more the second time around! Has anybody even ''tried'' throwing Sevar into a pit of venomous spiders? No! And why not? ''I DON'T KNOW. WHY [[spoiler:RAPE]].''"
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--->'''Abrogail:''' Let Subirachs inflict whatever worse punishment on Sevar she likes so long as it is not [[spoiler:a ''sexual'' one]]! How about a pit of venomous spiders? Many people fear being thrown into a pit of venomous spiders! Even the ones who don't fear it the first time oft fear it more the second time around! Has anybody even ''tried'' throwing Sevar into a pit of venomous spiders? No! And why not? ''I DON'T KNOW. WHY [[spoiler:RAPE]].''"''
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*** This irony has a particularly tragic flavour to it, because Keltham's wish to have two dozen wives and 144 children is [[spoiler:part of what led him to mistake his research group for a research ''harem'', which led the Conspiracy down a very different trajectory that made it all the more painful for him to learn the truth later. It's also part of what inspired Abrogail to secretly impregnate 144 women with his sperm to turn the story into a tragedy. All the ''more'' tragic because as mentioned, Keltham quickly discarded his wish as unrealistic, but by then the train had already left the station.]]
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: During Keltham and Carissa's first conversation, Carissa makes an offhand comment that she doesn't know that Asmodeus would want a billion dollars, despite neither Golarion nor dath ilan using dollars as a unit of currency.
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: During Keltham and Carissa's first conversation, Carissa makes an offhand comment that she doesn't know that Asmodeus would want a billion dollars, despite neither Golarion nor dath ilan using dollars as a unit of currency. (The post has since been amended so that it now says "a billion gold".)
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* YouShallNotPass: [[spoiler:Cayden Cailean]] uses all that remains of his power to hold off the other gods while [[spoiler: Pilar Paneda, Carissa Sevar, and Keltham use the Starstone to attain divinity]]. He knows he won't survive, but [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction he never liked being a god anyway]].
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* YouShallNotPass: [[spoiler:Cayden Cailean]] uses all that remains of his power to hold off the other gods while [[spoiler: Pilar Paneda, Carissa Sevar, and Keltham use the Starstone to attain divinity]]. He knows he won't survive, but [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction he never liked being a god anyway]].anyway]].
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* DealWithTheDevil: Asmodeus is the god of these; devils thay serve him will [[IGaveMyWord always honor]] the ExactWords of contracts they sign, and only the ExactWords. It's common practice in Cheliax for people who believe that they're going to Hell anyway to sell their soul to specific devils in exchange for various benefits; most of the Project Lawful researchers are coerced into selling their soul for permanent Arcane Sight.
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* DealWithTheDevil: Asmodeus is the god of these; devils thay serve him will [[IGaveMyWord always honor]] always]] honor the ExactWords of contracts they sign, and only ''only'' the ExactWords. It's common practice in Cheliax for people who believe that they're going to Hell anyway to sell their soul to specific devils in exchange for various benefits; most of the Project Lawful researchers are coerced into selling their soul for permanent Arcane Sight.
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* DealWithTheDevil: Asmodeus is the god of these; devils thay serve him will [[IGaveMyWord always honor]] the ExactWords of contracts they sign, but only the ExactWords. It's common practice in Cheliax for people who believe that they're going to Hell anyway to sell their soul to specific devils in exchange for various benefits; most of the Project Lawful researchers are coerced into selling their soul for permanent Arcane Sight.
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* DealWithTheDevil: Asmodeus is the god of these; devils thay serve him will [[IGaveMyWord always honor]] the ExactWords of contracts they sign, but and only the ExactWords. It's common practice in Cheliax for people who believe that they're going to Hell anyway to sell their soul to specific devils in exchange for various benefits; most of the Project Lawful researchers are coerced into selling their soul for permanent Arcane Sight.
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* DealWithTheDevil: Asmodeus is the god of these; devils thay serve him will [[IGaveMyWord always honor]] the ExactWords of contracts they sign, but only the ExactWords. It's common practice in Cheliax for people who believe that they're going to Hell anyway to sell their soul to specific devils in exchange for various benefits; most of the Project Lawful researchers are coerced into selling their soul for permanent Arcane Sight.
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* InformedAttractiveness: When a character is said to be extremely attractive, further details usually aren't forthcoming and we just have to take their word for it. This isn't so bad in Carissa's case, since her [[https://glowfic.com/characters/13808?view=galleries avatar model]] is [[https://models.com/people/adria-arjona literally a model]], so you can ''see'' how pretty she is. Unfortunately Abrogail doesn't have that going for her; [[https://glowfic.com/icons/226000 the face shown in her avatar]] isn't ''ugly'', but it doesn't corroborate her alleged beauty either. It isn't until ''very'' late into the story that we're shown a [[https://glowfic.com/icons/305263 couple]] of [[https://i.imgur.com/37Tro7p.png examples]] of how we're ''really'' supposed to see her.
** Where this really hits Carissa is whenever she gets a magical beauty treatment. We're told she's noticeably prettier, and we're shown other people noticing this — eventually, to the point where strangers are intimidated by her on the basis of her looks alone — but we do not get to see a significantly prettier Carissa. At best, her most attractive avatar photos are used a bit more often.
** Where this really hits Carissa is whenever she gets a magical beauty treatment. We're told she's noticeably prettier, and we're shown other people noticing this — eventually, to the point where strangers are intimidated by her on the basis of her looks alone — but we do not get to see a significantly prettier Carissa. At best, her most attractive avatar photos are used a bit more often.
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* NotSoStoic: Abadar and Irori, who both generally radiate a stately calm, both have their moments.
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* NotSoStoic: Abadar and Irori, who both generally radiate a stately calm, both have their moments.
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* SafeSaneAndConsensual: Cheilax, being evil, does not follow this. One of their standard corruption techniques is to get someone used to willing partners that feign reluctance to have sex and then trick them into committing an actual rape. In particular, they're hoping to use Keltham's sexual sadism to get him to [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope jump off the slippery slope]] into actual rape and abuse.
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* SafeSaneAndConsensual: Cheilax, Cheliax, being evil, Evil, does not follow this. One of their standard corruption techniques is to get someone used to willing partners that feign reluctance to have sex and then trick them into committing an actual rape. In particular, they're hoping to use Keltham's sexual sadism to get him to [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope jump off the slippery slope]] into actual rape and abuse.
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** Two: After making it through the fortress, the last obstacle that stands between a would-be god and the Starstone is the invulnerable godlike being Achaekek, which exists in order to prevent mortals from trying to usurp the power of the gods. If you are deliberately trying to become a god and actually manage to reach the Starstone, Achaekek will Gate in from Abbadon and kill you and there is literally nothing anyone can do about it. (Achakek won't intervene to prevent someone from [[LoopholeAbuse accidentally]] becoming a god, though.)
** Three: Even if you do manage to touch the Starstone and become a god, you now have to deal with the fact that Golarion already has a lot of gods, they generally don't want new gods around to mess up the existing balance of power, and unless one or more of them has a good reason to defend you, your new existance as a diety will be very, very brief.
** Three: Even if you do manage to touch the Starstone and become a god, you now have to deal with the fact that Golarion already has a lot of gods, they generally don't want new gods around to mess up the existing balance of power, and unless one or more of them has a good reason to defend you, your new existance as a diety will be very, very brief.
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** Two: After making it through the fortress, the last obstacle that stands between a would-be god and the Starstone is the invulnerable godlike being Achaekek, which exists in order to prevent mortals from trying to usurp the power of the gods. If you are deliberately trying to become a god and actually manage to reach the Starstone, Achaekek will Gate in from Abbadon and kill you and there is literally nothing anyone can do about it. (Achakek (Achaekek won't intervene to prevent someone from [[LoopholeAbuse accidentally]] becoming a god, though.)
** Three: Even if you do manage to touch the Starstone and become a god, you now have to deal with the fact that Golarion already has a lot of gods, they generally don't want new gods around to mess up the existing balance of power, and unless one or more of them has a good reason to defend you, your newexistance existence as a diety deity will be very, very brief. brief.
** Three: Even if you do manage to touch the Starstone and become a god, you now have to deal with the fact that Golarion already has a lot of gods, they generally don't want new gods around to mess up the existing balance of power, and unless one or more of them has a good reason to defend you, your new
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* BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: If we assume Dou-Bral ''became'' Zon-Kuthon, rather than having been replaced by him, he certainly fits the bill. Originally a god of beauty, love, and the arts, he returned from the Dark Tapestry as a god of mutilation, misery, and torture; and proceeded to lash out at his sister and torture his father.
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* BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: If we assume Dou-Bral ''became'' Zon-Kuthon, rather than having been replaced by him, he certainly fits the bill. Originally a god of beauty, love, and the arts, he returned from the Dark Tapestry as a god of mutilation, misery, and torture; and proceeded to lash out at his sister and torture his father. He is described as literally having had his utility function inverted, such that Zon-Kuthon hates everything Dou-Bral loved and loves everything he hated.
-->''A half-ton of explosive going off in the same room isn't a combat attack, it's just you being dead.''
* LanguageEqualsThought: Asmodia can't figure out why she's so happy about having Korva around, because:
-->''The Chelish dialect of Taldane does have a word for 'friend'. It just doesn't use it for anything.''
-->''The Chelish dialect of Taldane does have a word for 'friend'. It just doesn't use it for anything.''
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--->Immense pride, that she's come this far, to cast Irori free and proceed on her own unhindered.\\
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(this last message is not going to come across at all clearly, given how much it [[BatmanGrabsAGun contradicts Irori's domain]], but He is TRYING REALLY HARD TO CONVEY IT ANYWAYS)
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(this last message is not going to come across at all clearly, given how much it [[BatmanGrabsAGun contradicts Irori's domain]], but He is TRYING REALLY HARD TO CONVEY IT ANYWAYS)ANYWAYS)''
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* YouShallNotPass: Cayden Cailean uses all that remains of his power to hold off the other gods while [[spoiler: Pilar Paneda, Carissa Sevar, and Keltham use the Starstone to attain divinity]]. He knows he won't survive, but [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction he never liked being a god anyway]].
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* YouShallNotPass: Cayden Cailean [[spoiler:Cayden Cailean]] uses all that remains of his power to hold off the other gods while [[spoiler: Pilar Paneda, Carissa Sevar, and Keltham use the Starstone to attain divinity]]. He knows he won't survive, but [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction he never liked being a god anyway]].
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* NotSoStoic: Abadar and Irori, who both generally radiate a stately calm, both have their moments.
-->'''Abadar:''' "KHEMET I NEED HELP UNDERSTANDING MORTALS"
** Irori's is mixed with a heavy dose of OOCIsSeriousBusiness:
--->Immense pride, that she's come this far, to cast Irori free and proceed on her own unhindered.\\
An apology, that He ever thought that [[spoiler:Carissa Sevar]] needed His meddling aid.\\
His last benediction that she be about her own Way of [[spoiler:Carissa Sevar]], now.\\
[[SuddenlyShouting ALSO]] IF [[spoiler:CARISSA SEVAR]] FAILS IN HER TASK CAN SHE PLEASE VOLUNTARILY PRAY ABOUT THAT IMPORTANT FACT TO IOMEDAE OR ERECURA OR NORGORBER OR LITERALLY ANY OTHER GOD WHO MIGHT HEAR AND UNDERSTAND HER BECAUSE IT IS SUPER NOT IRORI'S NATURE TO TAKE UP HER TASK IF SHE FAILS AND THIS IS AN UNUSUALLY INCONVENIENT TIME FOR THAT FACT TO BE TRUE\\
(this last message is not going to come across at all clearly, given how much it [[BatmanGrabsAGun contradicts Irori's domain]], but He is TRYING REALLY HARD TO CONVEY IT ANYWAYS)
-->'''Abadar:''' "KHEMET I NEED HELP UNDERSTANDING MORTALS"
** Irori's is mixed with a heavy dose of OOCIsSeriousBusiness:
--->Immense pride, that she's come this far, to cast Irori free and proceed on her own unhindered.\\
An apology, that He ever thought that [[spoiler:Carissa Sevar]] needed His meddling aid.\\
His last benediction that she be about her own Way of [[spoiler:Carissa Sevar]], now.\\
[[SuddenlyShouting ALSO]] IF [[spoiler:CARISSA SEVAR]] FAILS IN HER TASK CAN SHE PLEASE VOLUNTARILY PRAY ABOUT THAT IMPORTANT FACT TO IOMEDAE OR ERECURA OR NORGORBER OR LITERALLY ANY OTHER GOD WHO MIGHT HEAR AND UNDERSTAND HER BECAUSE IT IS SUPER NOT IRORI'S NATURE TO TAKE UP HER TASK IF SHE FAILS AND THIS IS AN UNUSUALLY INCONVENIENT TIME FOR THAT FACT TO BE TRUE\\
(this last message is not going to come across at all clearly, given how much it [[BatmanGrabsAGun contradicts Irori's domain]], but He is TRYING REALLY HARD TO CONVEY IT ANYWAYS)
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* OutsideContextProblem: Keltham's knowledge from another world makes him one for Golgarion, and not even the gods (with the possible exception of Nethys) really understand just what it is they're dealing with.
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* OutsideContextProblem: Keltham's knowledge from another world makes him one for Golgarion, Golarion, and not even the gods (with the possible exception of Nethys) really understand just what it is they're dealing with.
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-->'''Abrogail:''' I can't take a sixth-circle wizard and tell them that if they don't close the Worldwound in a year, I'll make an artistic production of their suffering such that when they get to Hell their owner will feel impressed and competitive about it, and have them actually close the Worldwound. I tried that just to see if that might work, if maybe all the wizards were just being lazy and unmotivated about actually getting the Worldwound fixed, but no, they actually don't know how to do it, and don't know how to figure out how to do it, no matter how desperate they are. … You can, by means of pain selectively applied, cause your boy to ''keep trying to write'', to keep his hand moving on the paper. If he doesn't know how to write then you can only solve this by ''teaching him how to write''.
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-->'''Abrogail:''' I can't take a sixth-circle wizard and tell them that if they don't close the Worldwound in a year, I'll make an artistic production of their suffering such that when they get to Hell their owner will feel impressed and competitive about it, and have them actually close the Worldwound. [[NotHyperbole I tried that just to see if that might work, work]], if maybe all the wizards were just being lazy and unmotivated about actually getting the Worldwound fixed, but no, they actually don't know how to do it, and don't know how to figure out how to do it, no matter how desperate they are. … You can, by means of pain selectively applied, cause your boy to ''keep trying to write'', to keep his hand moving on the paper. If he doesn't know how to write then you can only solve this by ''teaching him how to write''.
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* GoMadFromTheRevelation: Much of Keltham's teachings involve how to recognize and prevent self-deception. This doesn't mix well with education in Cheliax, with its dedication to eliminating heresy and its ability to read thoughts - finding out that you don't actually believe in Asmodeanism and can no longer pretend to yourself otherwise can have strange effects someone who's built their entire identity around that facade.
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* SafeSaneAndConsensual: Cheilax, being evil, does not follow this. One of their standard corruption techniques is to get someone used to willing partners that feign reluctance to have sex and then trick them into committing an actual rape. In particular, they're hoping to use Keltham's sexual sadism to get him to [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope jump off the slippery slope]] into actual rape and abuse.
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* ShapeshiftingSeducer: Meritxell sometimes changes her appearance using the spell Alter Self before having sex with Keltham so she can look like and pretend to be another person, such as the inhumanly beautiful Abrogail Thrune. [[spoiler: Sometimes it's [[BedTrick not actually Meritxell]] that Keltham is having sex with. Abrogail Thrune arranges for him to impregnate several women, including herself, without his knowledge.]]
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* ShadowArchetype: Cayden Cailean based "Snack Service" on the parts of Pilar Pineda's personality that she'd been repressing.
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* DeathIsCheap: Well, sort of. As in Pathfinder, resurrection spells do require expensive spell components and a high-level caster, but any organization powerful or wealthy enough to employ high-level casters (such as governments and churches) can easily afford them when necessary.
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* DungeonBypass: You know that fortress protecting people from the Starstone? Turns out it wasn't strong enough to withstand antimatter bombs.
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* DungeonBypass: You know that fortress protecting people from housing the Starstone? Turns out it wasn't strong enough to withstand antimatter bombs.
