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1st May '16 3:53:29 AM aye_amber
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* The dragons from ''Literature/DragonridersOfPern'' generally range from 20 to 42 ft. long, with wingspans not anywhere near large enough to support that much weight in flight. Much later in the series, it's [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] that they're instinctively using telekinesis to help out the flight process. Since their [[PsychicPowers telepathic and teleportation abilities]] were known long before this, it's not a huge leap.

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* The dragons from ''Literature/DragonridersOfPern'' generally range from 20 to 42 ft. long, with wingspans not anywhere near large enough to support that much weight in flight. Much later in the series, it's [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] {{retcon}}ned that they're instinctively using telekinesis to help out the flight process. Since their [[PsychicPowers telepathic and teleportation abilities]] were known long before this, it's not a huge leap.



* Played straight in the BE Archive story ''[[http://www.bearchive.com/~stories/stories/keepsautodoc.html Keeps The Autodoc Away]]'', where a couple hack the eponymous [=AutoDoc=] to [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor "cure" them of being out of shape]]. Al tells [[LiteralGenie the machine]] to, [[BiggusDickus among other things]], turn all his fat into a set of enormous, powerful muscles. Near the end, it is revealed, aside from his [[GagPenis seven-foot erection]] knocking him out from blood loss, that his enormous muscles had shattered almost every bone in his body. If it wasn't already obvious, this story [[NotSafeForWork isn't exactly safe for work]].

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* Played straight in the BE Archive story ''[[http://www.bearchive.com/~stories/stories/keepsautodoc.html Keeps The Autodoc Away]]'', where a couple hack the eponymous [=AutoDoc=] to [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor "cure" them of being out of shape]]. Al tells [[LiteralGenie the machine]] to, [[BiggusDickus among other things]], turn all his fat into a set of enormous, powerful muscles. Near the end, it is revealed, aside from his [[GagPenis seven-foot erection]] knocking him out from blood loss, that his enormous muscles had shattered almost every bone in his body. If it wasn't already obvious, this story [[NotSafeForWork isn't exactly safe for work]].work.]]



* Exploited in ''Literature/DoraWilkSeries''. When [[spoiler:Miron]] gains [[PlayingWithFire fire powers]], he also becomes fire-resistant, as otherwise he'd burn himself any time he tried to use this new skill. When a group of [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Thrones]] visit him and burn down the building he's in, he survives thanks to that.

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* Exploited in ''Literature/DoraWilkSeries''. ''Literature/DoraWilkSeries.'' When [[spoiler:Miron]] [[spoiler: Miron]] gains [[PlayingWithFire fire powers]], he also becomes fire-resistant, as otherwise he'd burn himself any time he tried to use this new skill. When a group of [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Thrones]] visit him and burn down the building he's in, he survives thanks to that.



* Something similar to ''Belgariad'' also holds for magic in ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''. A wizard who wants to move a large weight telekinetically needs to harness some secondary force to avoid being crushed by the mass he's lifting; e.g. in ''Light Fantastic'', a wizard levitates himself by dropping a weight off a roof and transferring the force to himself. This rule seems to be often ignored [[RuleOfCool if it would get in the way of the story]], however.
** If attempting something like this without such an exchange, they have to use their own mental skills to do so, with a related physical cost... avoidance of which is described as (paraphrased) "preventing your brain being flicked out your ears". One example is in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', where a mathematically-inclined wizard spends some time working out a long-distance teleportation spell to account for angular momentum (which they end up dumping on a kangaroo, since it has to go ''somewhere'').

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* Something similar to ''Belgariad'' also holds for magic in ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''. A wizard who wants to move a large weight telekinetically needs to harness some secondary force to avoid being crushed by the mass he's lifting; e.g. in ''Light Fantastic'', a wizard levitates himself by dropping a weight off a roof and transferring the force to himself. This rule seems to be often ignored [[RuleOfCool if it would get in the way of the story]], story,]] however.
** If attempting something like this without such an exchange, they have to use their own mental skills to do so, with a related physical cost... avoidance Avoidance of which is described as (paraphrased) "preventing your brain being flicked out your ears". One example is in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', where a mathematically-inclined wizard spends some time working out a long-distance teleportation spell to account for angular momentum (which they end up dumping on a kangaroo, since it has to go ''somewhere'').



*** Which raises the question of [[FridgeLogic how they figured out it was impossible in the first place]].

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*** Which raises the question of [[FridgeLogic how they figured out it was impossible in the first place]].place.]]



** And then there's [[ShapeShifter Kid Dinosaur]], who can change into any dinosaur he wants...but he can't increase or decrease his body's mass. So he can become a T-Rex, but the T-Rex is only 4 feet tall.
* ''Literature/HereticsOfDune'' sees [[spoiler:Miles Teg]] gain SuperSpeed, but needs to become a BigEater to compensate (several characters lampshade his Big Eating). He also gets his hands badly bruised and torn from hitting his enemies at such speeds.
* In the ''Literature/TheShahnameh'', written by Ferdowsi of Tus, the main hero, Rostam, at the beginning of the story is too strong to walk, since with every step he would ram his leg into the earth up to the waist. He had to pray to his god to make him weaker to actually be able to walk normally.

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** And then there's [[ShapeShifter Kid Dinosaur]], who can change into any dinosaur he wants...but But he can't increase or decrease his body's mass. So he can become a T-Rex, but the T-Rex is only 4 feet tall.
* ''Literature/HereticsOfDune'' sees [[spoiler:Miles [[spoiler: Miles Teg]] gain SuperSpeed, but needs to become a BigEater to compensate (several characters lampshade his Big Eating). He also gets his hands badly bruised and torn from hitting his enemies at such speeds.
* In the ''Literature/TheShahnameh'', ''Literature/TheShahnameh,'' written by Ferdowsi of Tus, the main hero, Rostam, at the beginning of the story is too strong to walk, since with every step he would ram his leg into the earth up to the waist. He had to pray to his god to make him weaker to actually be able to walk normally.



** The problem with super-strength is further discussed when [[spoiler: Harry]] becomes the Winter Knight and among it's many assets recieves greater strength, to the point of being able to bench press 400 kilos. But Butters suspect that this increased strength isn't actually something that comes with the Winter Mantle as much as that the Mantle bypasses the natural inhibitors around the use of ones muscles. This means that since the Winter Knight doesn't recieve the RequiredSecondaryPowers for increased strength his body will burn out more easily and will therefore be easier to remove if Mab is unhappy with him.
*** Although it's perfectly possible that Butters is wrong and [[spoiler: Harry]] ''does'' have the RequiredSecondaryPowers that enable him to recover from physical efforts faster. In ''Literature/SkinGame'', he's stuck on the distant island for a year with nothing to do but almost fanatically practice LeParkour. Without any powers overtraining should have worn him down pretty quickly, but instead just made him much more muscular and strong and agile enough to [[spoiler: hold his own against Tessa while [[BroughtDownToBadass deprived both of his magic and Winter power]]]].
** Sometimes this trope is the loophole that Harry uses to get himself out of impossible situations, especially when motorcycle-jousting with a limo.

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** The problem with super-strength is further discussed when [[spoiler: Harry]] becomes the Winter Knight and among it's many assets recieves receives greater strength, to the point of being able to bench press 400 kilos. But Butters suspect that this increased strength isn't actually something that comes with the Winter Mantle as much as that the Mantle bypasses the natural inhibitors around the use of ones muscles. This means that since the Winter Knight doesn't recieve receive the RequiredSecondaryPowers for increased strength his body will burn out more easily and will therefore be easier to remove if Mab is unhappy with him.
*** Although it's perfectly possible that Butters is wrong and [[spoiler: Harry]] ''does'' have the RequiredSecondaryPowers that enable him to recover from physical efforts faster. In ''Literature/SkinGame'', he's stuck on the distant island for a year with nothing to do but almost fanatically practice LeParkour. Without any powers overtraining should have worn him down pretty quickly, but instead just made him much more muscular and strong and agile enough to [[spoiler: hold his own against Tessa while [[BroughtDownToBadass deprived both of his magic and Winter power]]]].
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** Sometimes this trope is the loophole that Harry uses to get himself out of impossible situations, especially when motorcycle-jousting motorcycle jousting with a limo.



** Specifically addressed for flight though. "I know that you find it counterintuitive to project wind both ahead of you and behind...but you body was not designed for high speed flight... if you do not take measures to protect yourself, especially your eyes, even relatively minor amounts of particulate matter in the air could blind you or other bring your flight to a ... terminally instructive conclusion. Adept fliers accomplish it so naturally that they have no need to consciously think about creating the shield."
* Lampshaded as early as the first scene of ''Literature/TheRunelords'' in which two men who each have multiple endowments of strength engage in a fight which the narrator explains is little more than "bone breaking contest" for though they both have super strength, that power does nothing to harden their bones. The books further illustrate the need to balance ones endowments such as balancing 'brawn' with 'grace', 'metabolism' 'stamina', and 'wit'.

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** Specifically addressed for flight though. "I know that you find it counterintuitive counter intuitive to project wind both ahead of you and behind...but behind... But you body was not designed for high speed flight... if If you do not take measures to protect yourself, especially your eyes, even relatively minor amounts of particulate matter in the air could blind you or other bring your flight to a ... terminally a... Terminally instructive conclusion. Adept fliers accomplish it so naturally that they have no need to consciously think about creating the shield."
* Lampshaded as early as the first scene of ''Literature/TheRunelords'' in which two men who each have multiple endowments of strength engage in a fight which the narrator explains is little more than "bone breaking contest" for though they both have super strength, that power does nothing to harden their bones. The books further illustrate the need to balance ones endowments such as balancing 'brawn' with 'grace', 'metabolism' 'stamina', and 'wit'.'wit.'



* Addressed for {{teleportation}} in the third ''Literature/YoungWizards'' novel, ''High Wizardry''. When Dairine first becomes a wizard [[PowersAsPrograms she gets a computer which does the spells for her]], with Dairine acting as the power source (sort of a training-wheels for wizards). After a long-range teleport renders her nauseous, [[PowersAsPrograms she opens up the source code for the teleportation spell]], determined to improve it... only to find that it's highly complex, dealing with all the things that are needed to keep a human alive when teleporting over long distance. She wisely decides to leave it alone until she has a lot more experience.

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* Addressed for {{teleportation}} in the third ''Literature/YoungWizards'' novel, ''High Wizardry''. When Dairine first becomes a wizard [[PowersAsPrograms she gets a computer which does the spells for her]], with Dairine acting as the power source (sort of a training-wheels for wizards). After a long-range teleport renders her nauseous, [[PowersAsPrograms she opens up the source code for the teleportation spell]], determined to improve it... only Only to find that it's highly complex, dealing with all the things that are needed to keep a human alive when teleporting over long distance. She wisely decides to leave it alone until she has a lot more experience.



* In the DaleBrown novel ''Fatal Terrain'', Jon Masters mentions that though the variable airframe on the Wolverine cruise missiles allows for incredible maneuverability, they have to be limited below what they can really do because pulling super high-G maneuvers causes the explosives to cook off or something and a super-maneuverable missile's a fat lot of good when it blows itself up before even reaching the target.

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* In the DaleBrown Creator/DaleBrown novel ''Fatal Terrain'', Jon Masters mentions that though the variable airframe on the Wolverine cruise missiles allows for incredible maneuverability, they have to be limited below what they can really do because pulling super high-G maneuvers causes the explosives to cook off or something and a super-maneuverable missile's a fat lot of good when it blows itself up before even reaching the target.



** Because the ability to eat all the food you want and not gain a pound is such a big downside... It ''is'' an actual problem once, when she is given standard prisoner rations for a length of time and halfway starves to death. So it's a ''serious'' problem then, but still-- it's once, in 13 novels and counting.
** The longevity-granting Prolong treatment comes with the drawback of extending all life periods--imagine the gawky teen phase lasting 20 years.

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** Because the ability to eat all the food you want and not gain a pound is such a big downside... It ''is'' an actual problem once, when she is given standard prisoner rations for a length of time and halfway starves to death. So it's a ''serious'' problem then, but still-- still -- it's once, in 13 novels and counting.
** The longevity-granting Prolong treatment comes with the drawback of extending all life periods--imagine periods -- imagine the gawky teen phase lasting 20 years.



** The series' version of a ReactionlessDrive is the "impeller", which generates gravity bands above and below the ship, allowing it to "surf" forward. However, an [[InertiaIsACruelMistress inertial compensator]] is required for the stupendous levels of acceleration to be survivable. The results of compensator failure are...[[ChunkySalsaRule not pleasant]].

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** The series' version of a ReactionlessDrive is the "impeller", which generates gravity bands above and below the ship, allowing it to "surf" forward. However, an [[InertiaIsACruelMistress inertial compensator]] is required for the stupendous levels of acceleration to be survivable. The results of compensator failure are...[[ChunkySalsaRule not pleasant]].pleasant.]]
1st May '16 3:48:22 AM aye_amber
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* In the AlexVerus novels, elemental mages generally get their required secondary power for free, just by being what they are. It's pretty much impossible to burn a Fire Mage, drown a Water Mage, and so on.

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* In the AlexVerus Literature/AlexVerus novels, elemental mages generally get their required secondary power for free, just by being what they are. It's pretty much impossible to burn a Fire Mage, drown a Water Mage, and so on.
13th Apr '16 9:36:46 AM InterLoper
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*** Although it's perfectly possible that Butters is wrong and [[spoiler: Harry]] ''does'' have the RequiredSecondaryPowers that enable him to recover from physical efforts faster. In ''Literature/SkinGame'', he's stuck on the distant island for a year with nothing to do but almost fanatically practice LeParkour. Without any powers overtraining should have worn him down pretty quickly, but instead just made him much more muscular and strong and agile enough to [[spoiler: hold his own against Tessa while [[BroughtDownToBadass deprived both of his magic and Winter power]]]].
22nd Mar '16 11:37:08 PM GamerFromJump2
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** The series' version of a ReactionlessDrive is the "impeller", which generates gravity bands above and below the ship, allowing it to "surf" forward. However, an [[InertiaIsACruelMistress inertial compensator]] is required for the stupendous levels of acceleration to be survivable. The results of compensator failure are...[[ChunkySalsaRule not pleasant]].
14th Mar '16 2:26:27 AM GamerFromJump2
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** The longevity-granting Prolong treatment comes with the drawback of extending all life periods--imagine the gawky teen phase lasting 20 years.
** A partnership with a [[BondCreatures treecat]] granted a friend for life, enhanced mental stability, and in some cases, even LivingLieDetector empathy. But early bonds were tragic, due to humans lacking the RSP of a 2-300 year lifespan. The prolong treatment granted the ability.
2nd Jan '16 10:50:54 PM nombretomado
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* In ''SoonIWillBeInvincible'', Dr. Impossible, a MadScientist, has superhuman strength and durability from a lab accident. However, he's not as strong as any of the superheroes who have superhuman strength as a power, and all his plans revolve around Mad Science rather than his own brawn. Considering that he's a SuperVillain in a ComicBook-like world, FailureIsTheOnlyOption, so presumably he would have to have some degree of superhuman strength or toughness just to survive all the times he gets thrown around, beat up and concussed by heroes.

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* In ''SoonIWillBeInvincible'', ''Literature/SoonIWillBeInvincible'', Dr. Impossible, a MadScientist, has superhuman strength and durability from a lab accident. However, he's not as strong as any of the superheroes who have superhuman strength as a power, and all his plans revolve around Mad Science rather than his own brawn. Considering that he's a SuperVillain in a ComicBook-like world, FailureIsTheOnlyOption, so presumably he would have to have some degree of superhuman strength or toughness just to survive all the times he gets thrown around, beat up and concussed by heroes.
30th Dec '15 10:49:26 PM jormis29
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** The RequiredSecondaryPowers necessary to use the magical gadgets of folklore and mythology are acknowledged in some of the novels as well. For instance, seven-league-boots exist, but using them requires extensive magical protection and preparation, since having one leg miles ahead of the other can cause [[GroinAttack certain difficulties]] if done wrong.

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** The RequiredSecondaryPowers necessary to use the magical gadgets of folklore and mythology are acknowledged in some of the novels as well. For instance, seven-league-boots SevenLeagueBoots exist, but using them requires extensive magical protection and preparation, since having one leg miles ahead of the other can cause [[GroinAttack certain difficulties]] if done wrong.
23rd Nov '15 11:52:11 AM DyolfKnip
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** This is a case of DidntDoTheResearch. Nearly ''all'' teleportation around the surface of a rotating sphere would cause lethal and destructive velocity issues, including east-west transfers. On Earth, 0º and 180º longitude are travelling at nearly mach 3 relative to each other. In fact, the only exception would be be traveling to the same lat/long in the opposite north/south hemisphere; all the relative velocities would be the same. There's still altitude-induced differences, but they would be very minor in comparison (about 3 mph difference between Mt Everest and Challenger Deep).
8th Oct '15 6:53:16 AM FuzzyBoots
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* In ''TheMagicians'', Quentin attempts to fly to the moon as his graduation thesis. While he successfully casts spells to achieve escape velocity and survive in a vacuum without oxygen, he neglects to shield himself from cosmic radiation and in less than an hour lands back on Earth with the equivalent of a really bad sunburn.

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* In ''TheMagicians'', ''Literature/TheMagicians'', Quentin attempts to fly to the moon as his graduation thesis. While he successfully casts spells to achieve escape velocity and survive in a vacuum without oxygen, he neglects to shield himself from cosmic radiation and in less than an hour lands back on Earth with the equivalent of a really bad sunburn.



* In ''VideoGame/{{Crysis}}: Legion'', when he first cloaks, Alcatraz is surprised to see that his weapon also gets cloaked. This implies that existing methods of active camouflage don't do so.

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Crysis}}: Legion'', when he first cloaks, Alcatraz is surprised to see that his weapon also gets cloaked. This implies that existing methods of active camouflage don't do so.so.
* The empowered characters in ''Literature/TheAccidentalSuperheroine'' have near-complete control over the molecules of their bodies, but are (largely) constrained by the laws of physics, requiring clever tweaks to be able to do things like fly.
29th Sep '15 12:46:59 AM SkArcher
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* In the AlexVerus novels, elemental mages generally get their required secondary power for free, just by being what they are. It's pretty much impossible to burn a Fire Mage, drown a Water Mage, and so on.
** On the other hand, the required secondary power for Alex's divination has to be learned - it's the ability to block out his own divinatory abilities so as not to GoMadFromTheRevelation.
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