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17th Apr '17 5:32:49 PM portaljumper339
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* In ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'', the heroes frequently come to the conclusion that the Andalite scientists who created the ability to morph into animals must have also added the ability to not feel pain as your organs and bones transform with a sickening sound.

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* In ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'', the heroes frequently come to the conclusion that the Andalite scientists who created the ability to morph into animals must have also added the ability to not feel pain as your organs and bones transform with a sickening sound. It's often described as not painful, but imparting the feeling that pain ''should'' be happening, sort of like getting one's teeth worked on after getting shot up with Novocain.
10th Apr '17 5:44:31 PM nombretomado
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* Not touched upon at all in SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/RoughDraft'' and its sequel ''Final Draft'', where the protagonist is erased from existence and becomes a "[[DifferentlyPoweredIndividual functional]]", gaining various abilities specific to his "function", in this case that of an interdimentional customs official. He lives in a water tower that links to several parallel worlds. His job is to let other functionals and normal people through, provided they follow the rules and pay their customs duties. His powers include super-strength, super-speed, nigh-invulnerability, knowledge of advanced martial arts, knowledge of all contraband items and duties, and the ability to determine what a person is carrying at a glance. At one point, he is running away at super-speed from soldiers and helicopter gunships. Nobody mentions that he should be bouncing instead of running, but he is able to zig-zag, avoiding bullets. The soldiers then take a pill that temporarily allows them to move as fast as him. The second novel briefly touches upon the functionals using advanced quantum physics to do whatever they please (something about taking pieces of themselves from myriad other worlds, where their powers are the norm).

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* Not touched upon at all in SergeyLukyanenko's Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/RoughDraft'' and its sequel ''Final Draft'', where the protagonist is erased from existence and becomes a "[[DifferentlyPoweredIndividual functional]]", gaining various abilities specific to his "function", in this case that of an interdimentional customs official. He lives in a water tower that links to several parallel worlds. His job is to let other functionals and normal people through, provided they follow the rules and pay their customs duties. His powers include super-strength, super-speed, nigh-invulnerability, knowledge of advanced martial arts, knowledge of all contraband items and duties, and the ability to determine what a person is carrying at a glance. At one point, he is running away at super-speed from soldiers and helicopter gunships. Nobody mentions that he should be bouncing instead of running, but he is able to zig-zag, avoiding bullets. The soldiers then take a pill that temporarily allows them to move as fast as him. The second novel briefly touches upon the functionals using advanced quantum physics to do whatever they please (something about taking pieces of themselves from myriad other worlds, where their powers are the norm).
10th Jan '17 8:17:03 AM AceOfScarabs
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** If attempting something like this without such an exchange, they have to use their own mental skills to do so, with a related physical cost... Avoidance of which is described as (paraphrased) "preventing your brain being flicked out your ears". One example is in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', where a mathematically-inclined wizard spends some time working out a long-distance teleportation spell to account for angular momentum (which they end up dumping on a kangaroo, since it has to go ''somewhere'').

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** If attempting something like this without such an exchange, they have to use their own mental skills to do so, with a related physical cost... Avoidance of which is described as (paraphrased) "preventing your brain being flicked out your ears".ears", as Rincewind discovers during one of his few actually magical feats when he picks a lock with magical telekinesis during the events of ''Discworld/TheLightFantastic'', and the strain of shifting the tiny metal parts of the lock exhausted him. One example is in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', where a mathematically-inclined wizard spends some time working out a long-distance teleportation spell to account for angular momentum (which they end up dumping on a kangaroo, since it has to go ''somewhere'').
28th Aug '16 9:12:33 AM FuzzyBoots
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* Hugo Danner, from Literature/Gladiator, has SuperStrength and NighInvulnerability. He specifically mentions that if he wasn't invulnerable, his own strength would have destroyed his body. Also, he needs to eat a lot and when he gets tired he can sleep for twenty hours to recover his energy.

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* Hugo Danner, from Literature/Gladiator, ''Literature/{{Gladiator}}'', has SuperStrength and NighInvulnerability. He specifically mentions that if he wasn't invulnerable, his own strength would have destroyed his body. Also, he needs to eat a lot and when he gets tired he can sleep for twenty hours to recover his energy.
11th Jul '16 6:37:20 PM ErikModi
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** One of their energy weapons is an "anti-armor laser" in the leg, the emitter in the heel of their foot. The main character of the first book, in addition to suffering the arthritis and anemia, has chronic pain in that ankle, which he attributes to his overuse of the laser during a particularly brutal mission.
14th Jun '16 9:51:49 AM ChronoLegion
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* Some of these are mentioned in ''Literature/SuperPowereds'', but most aren't. For example, Sasha has SuperSpeed. It's stated that her perception speeds up along with her speed, but only at the same proportion. This means that, while running fast, she has trouble aiming her hits properly, the same way a normal human would when running. She also has ''some'' protection from hitting things at great speeds, but not enough to keep her from shattering every bone in her hand by attempting to punch a girl who can turn her skin into steel. Her recovery is also sped up from certain effects, such as an electric shock ([[spoiler:during her second fight, she goes up against a {{Technopath}}, wearing a suit made by her GadgeteerGenius twin brother and ends up receiving a powerful electric shock on contact; as she's convulsing on the floor, the ref is counting down from 10; at 2, though, she manages to recover enough to get up; the other girl, suffering from a broken rib, immediately concedes defeat, as her suit's battery was drained by the shock]]). Indeed, besides, the Supers, there is a significantly larger percentage of Powereds, people with super powers but without the ability to control them reliably. They tend to be looked down upon and seen as dangerous by both normal humans and Supers.

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* Some of these are mentioned in ''Literature/SuperPowereds'', but most aren't. For example, Sasha has SuperSpeed. It's stated that her perception speeds up along with her speed, but only at the same proportion. This means that, while running fast, she has trouble aiming her hits properly, the same way a normal human would when running. She also has ''some'' protection from hitting things at great speeds, but not enough to keep her from shattering every bone in her hand by attempting to punch a girl who can turn her skin into steel. Her recovery is also sped up from certain effects, such as an electric shock ([[spoiler:during her second fight, she goes up against a {{Technopath}}, wearing a suit made by her GadgeteerGenius twin brother and ends up receiving a powerful electric shock on contact; as she's convulsing on the floor, the ref is counting down from 10; at 2, though, she manages to recover enough to get up; the other girl, suffering from a broken rib, immediately concedes defeat, as her suit's battery was drained by the shock]]). Indeed, besides, the Supers, there is a significantly larger percentage of Powereds, people with super powers but without the ability to control them reliably. They tend to be looked down upon and seen as dangerous by both normal humans and Supers. The main characters are former Powereds, who have been turned into Supers through an experimental secret therapy, designed to give them a measure of control.
14th Jun '16 9:50:14 AM ChronoLegion
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* The empowered characters in ''Literature/TheAccidentalSuperheroine'' have near-complete control over the molecules of their bodies, but are (largely) constrained by the laws of physics, requiring clever tweaks to be able to do things like fly.

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* The empowered characters in ''Literature/TheAccidentalSuperheroine'' have near-complete control over the molecules of their bodies, but are (largely) constrained by the laws of physics, requiring clever tweaks to be able to do things like fly.fly.
* Some of these are mentioned in ''Literature/SuperPowereds'', but most aren't. For example, Sasha has SuperSpeed. It's stated that her perception speeds up along with her speed, but only at the same proportion. This means that, while running fast, she has trouble aiming her hits properly, the same way a normal human would when running. She also has ''some'' protection from hitting things at great speeds, but not enough to keep her from shattering every bone in her hand by attempting to punch a girl who can turn her skin into steel. Her recovery is also sped up from certain effects, such as an electric shock ([[spoiler:during her second fight, she goes up against a {{Technopath}}, wearing a suit made by her GadgeteerGenius twin brother and ends up receiving a powerful electric shock on contact; as she's convulsing on the floor, the ref is counting down from 10; at 2, though, she manages to recover enough to get up; the other girl, suffering from a broken rib, immediately concedes defeat, as her suit's battery was drained by the shock]]). Indeed, besides, the Supers, there is a significantly larger percentage of Powereds, people with super powers but without the ability to control them reliably. They tend to be looked down upon and seen as dangerous by both normal humans and Supers.
14th Jun '16 9:39:41 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Literature/StarCarrier'', ships moving near the speed of light (for example, {{Space Fighter}}s launching a near-''c'' AlphaStrike) generate a gravity well ahead of them to clear away dust particles and such, which would cause severe damage if struck at relativistic speeds.

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* In ''Literature/StarCarrier'', ships moving near the speed of light (for example, {{Space Fighter}}s launching a near-''c'' AlphaStrike) generate a gravity well ahead of them to clear away dust particles and such, which would cause severe damage if struck at relativistic speeds. Unlike the above-mentioned ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' example, the author points out that a small enough ship that's always falling into a black hole wouldn't need InertialDampening, as the gravity well would be acting equally on the craft and everything in it. Basically, the pilot would just feel a little nauseous from a constant feeling of falling, but astronauts should be used to that. Even maneuvering wouldn't require any dampening, since it involves projecting a singularity to the side and allowing the craft to travel along the curved space-time (but still straight from the craft's point of view).
19th May '16 6:01:47 AM Morgenthaler
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* In Creator/LarryNiven's ''KnownSpace'' series, humanity has developed teleportation technology that has distance and mass limits due to the Law of Conservation of Energy. Teleporting east-west doesn't generate many problems, but teleporting too far north-south generates problems because of the difference in orbital velocities between where you are and where you were. In short, teleport too far north or south, and you arrive at your destination as a human-shaped exploding nuclear weapon.

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* In Creator/LarryNiven's ''KnownSpace'' ''Literature/KnownSpace'' series, humanity has developed teleportation technology that has distance and mass limits due to the Law of Conservation of Energy. Teleporting east-west doesn't generate many problems, but teleporting too far north-south generates problems because of the difference in orbital velocities between where you are and where you were. In short, teleport too far north or south, and you arrive at your destination as a human-shaped exploding nuclear weapon.
1st May '16 3:53:29 AM aye_amber
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* The dragons from ''Literature/DragonridersOfPern'' generally range from 20 to 42 ft. long, with wingspans not anywhere near large enough to support that much weight in flight. Much later in the series, it's [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] that they're instinctively using telekinesis to help out the flight process. Since their [[PsychicPowers telepathic and teleportation abilities]] were known long before this, it's not a huge leap.

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* The dragons from ''Literature/DragonridersOfPern'' generally range from 20 to 42 ft. long, with wingspans not anywhere near large enough to support that much weight in flight. Much later in the series, it's [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] {{retcon}}ned that they're instinctively using telekinesis to help out the flight process. Since their [[PsychicPowers telepathic and teleportation abilities]] were known long before this, it's not a huge leap.



* Played straight in the BE Archive story ''[[http://www.bearchive.com/~stories/stories/keepsautodoc.html Keeps The Autodoc Away]]'', where a couple hack the eponymous [=AutoDoc=] to [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor "cure" them of being out of shape]]. Al tells [[LiteralGenie the machine]] to, [[BiggusDickus among other things]], turn all his fat into a set of enormous, powerful muscles. Near the end, it is revealed, aside from his [[GagPenis seven-foot erection]] knocking him out from blood loss, that his enormous muscles had shattered almost every bone in his body. If it wasn't already obvious, this story [[NotSafeForWork isn't exactly safe for work]].

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* Played straight in the BE Archive story ''[[http://www.bearchive.com/~stories/stories/keepsautodoc.html Keeps The Autodoc Away]]'', where a couple hack the eponymous [=AutoDoc=] to [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor "cure" them of being out of shape]]. Al tells [[LiteralGenie the machine]] to, [[BiggusDickus among other things]], turn all his fat into a set of enormous, powerful muscles. Near the end, it is revealed, aside from his [[GagPenis seven-foot erection]] knocking him out from blood loss, that his enormous muscles had shattered almost every bone in his body. If it wasn't already obvious, this story [[NotSafeForWork isn't exactly safe for work]].work.]]



* Exploited in ''Literature/DoraWilkSeries''. When [[spoiler:Miron]] gains [[PlayingWithFire fire powers]], he also becomes fire-resistant, as otherwise he'd burn himself any time he tried to use this new skill. When a group of [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Thrones]] visit him and burn down the building he's in, he survives thanks to that.

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* Exploited in ''Literature/DoraWilkSeries''. ''Literature/DoraWilkSeries.'' When [[spoiler:Miron]] [[spoiler: Miron]] gains [[PlayingWithFire fire powers]], he also becomes fire-resistant, as otherwise he'd burn himself any time he tried to use this new skill. When a group of [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Thrones]] visit him and burn down the building he's in, he survives thanks to that.



* Something similar to ''Belgariad'' also holds for magic in ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''. A wizard who wants to move a large weight telekinetically needs to harness some secondary force to avoid being crushed by the mass he's lifting; e.g. in ''Light Fantastic'', a wizard levitates himself by dropping a weight off a roof and transferring the force to himself. This rule seems to be often ignored [[RuleOfCool if it would get in the way of the story]], however.
** If attempting something like this without such an exchange, they have to use their own mental skills to do so, with a related physical cost... avoidance of which is described as (paraphrased) "preventing your brain being flicked out your ears". One example is in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', where a mathematically-inclined wizard spends some time working out a long-distance teleportation spell to account for angular momentum (which they end up dumping on a kangaroo, since it has to go ''somewhere'').

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* Something similar to ''Belgariad'' also holds for magic in ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''. A wizard who wants to move a large weight telekinetically needs to harness some secondary force to avoid being crushed by the mass he's lifting; e.g. in ''Light Fantastic'', a wizard levitates himself by dropping a weight off a roof and transferring the force to himself. This rule seems to be often ignored [[RuleOfCool if it would get in the way of the story]], story,]] however.
** If attempting something like this without such an exchange, they have to use their own mental skills to do so, with a related physical cost... avoidance Avoidance of which is described as (paraphrased) "preventing your brain being flicked out your ears". One example is in ''Discworld/TheLastContinent'', where a mathematically-inclined wizard spends some time working out a long-distance teleportation spell to account for angular momentum (which they end up dumping on a kangaroo, since it has to go ''somewhere'').



*** Which raises the question of [[FridgeLogic how they figured out it was impossible in the first place]].

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*** Which raises the question of [[FridgeLogic how they figured out it was impossible in the first place]].place.]]



** And then there's [[ShapeShifter Kid Dinosaur]], who can change into any dinosaur he wants...but he can't increase or decrease his body's mass. So he can become a T-Rex, but the T-Rex is only 4 feet tall.
* ''Literature/HereticsOfDune'' sees [[spoiler:Miles Teg]] gain SuperSpeed, but needs to become a BigEater to compensate (several characters lampshade his Big Eating). He also gets his hands badly bruised and torn from hitting his enemies at such speeds.
* In the ''Literature/TheShahnameh'', written by Ferdowsi of Tus, the main hero, Rostam, at the beginning of the story is too strong to walk, since with every step he would ram his leg into the earth up to the waist. He had to pray to his god to make him weaker to actually be able to walk normally.

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** And then there's [[ShapeShifter Kid Dinosaur]], who can change into any dinosaur he wants...but But he can't increase or decrease his body's mass. So he can become a T-Rex, but the T-Rex is only 4 feet tall.
* ''Literature/HereticsOfDune'' sees [[spoiler:Miles [[spoiler: Miles Teg]] gain SuperSpeed, but needs to become a BigEater to compensate (several characters lampshade his Big Eating). He also gets his hands badly bruised and torn from hitting his enemies at such speeds.
* In the ''Literature/TheShahnameh'', ''Literature/TheShahnameh,'' written by Ferdowsi of Tus, the main hero, Rostam, at the beginning of the story is too strong to walk, since with every step he would ram his leg into the earth up to the waist. He had to pray to his god to make him weaker to actually be able to walk normally.



** The problem with super-strength is further discussed when [[spoiler: Harry]] becomes the Winter Knight and among it's many assets recieves greater strength, to the point of being able to bench press 400 kilos. But Butters suspect that this increased strength isn't actually something that comes with the Winter Mantle as much as that the Mantle bypasses the natural inhibitors around the use of ones muscles. This means that since the Winter Knight doesn't recieve the RequiredSecondaryPowers for increased strength his body will burn out more easily and will therefore be easier to remove if Mab is unhappy with him.
*** Although it's perfectly possible that Butters is wrong and [[spoiler: Harry]] ''does'' have the RequiredSecondaryPowers that enable him to recover from physical efforts faster. In ''Literature/SkinGame'', he's stuck on the distant island for a year with nothing to do but almost fanatically practice LeParkour. Without any powers overtraining should have worn him down pretty quickly, but instead just made him much more muscular and strong and agile enough to [[spoiler: hold his own against Tessa while [[BroughtDownToBadass deprived both of his magic and Winter power]]]].
** Sometimes this trope is the loophole that Harry uses to get himself out of impossible situations, especially when motorcycle-jousting with a limo.

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** The problem with super-strength is further discussed when [[spoiler: Harry]] becomes the Winter Knight and among it's many assets recieves receives greater strength, to the point of being able to bench press 400 kilos. But Butters suspect that this increased strength isn't actually something that comes with the Winter Mantle as much as that the Mantle bypasses the natural inhibitors around the use of ones muscles. This means that since the Winter Knight doesn't recieve receive the RequiredSecondaryPowers for increased strength his body will burn out more easily and will therefore be easier to remove if Mab is unhappy with him.
*** Although it's perfectly possible that Butters is wrong and [[spoiler: Harry]] ''does'' have the RequiredSecondaryPowers that enable him to recover from physical efforts faster. In ''Literature/SkinGame'', he's stuck on the distant island for a year with nothing to do but almost fanatically practice LeParkour. Without any powers overtraining should have worn him down pretty quickly, but instead just made him much more muscular and strong and agile enough to [[spoiler: hold his own against Tessa while [[BroughtDownToBadass deprived both of his magic and Winter power]]]].
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** Sometimes this trope is the loophole that Harry uses to get himself out of impossible situations, especially when motorcycle-jousting motorcycle jousting with a limo.



** Specifically addressed for flight though. "I know that you find it counterintuitive to project wind both ahead of you and behind...but you body was not designed for high speed flight... if you do not take measures to protect yourself, especially your eyes, even relatively minor amounts of particulate matter in the air could blind you or other bring your flight to a ... terminally instructive conclusion. Adept fliers accomplish it so naturally that they have no need to consciously think about creating the shield."
* Lampshaded as early as the first scene of ''Literature/TheRunelords'' in which two men who each have multiple endowments of strength engage in a fight which the narrator explains is little more than "bone breaking contest" for though they both have super strength, that power does nothing to harden their bones. The books further illustrate the need to balance ones endowments such as balancing 'brawn' with 'grace', 'metabolism' 'stamina', and 'wit'.

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** Specifically addressed for flight though. "I know that you find it counterintuitive counter intuitive to project wind both ahead of you and behind...but behind... But you body was not designed for high speed flight... if If you do not take measures to protect yourself, especially your eyes, even relatively minor amounts of particulate matter in the air could blind you or other bring your flight to a ... terminally a... Terminally instructive conclusion. Adept fliers accomplish it so naturally that they have no need to consciously think about creating the shield."
* Lampshaded as early as the first scene of ''Literature/TheRunelords'' in which two men who each have multiple endowments of strength engage in a fight which the narrator explains is little more than "bone breaking contest" for though they both have super strength, that power does nothing to harden their bones. The books further illustrate the need to balance ones endowments such as balancing 'brawn' with 'grace', 'metabolism' 'stamina', and 'wit'.'wit.'



* Addressed for {{teleportation}} in the third ''Literature/YoungWizards'' novel, ''High Wizardry''. When Dairine first becomes a wizard [[PowersAsPrograms she gets a computer which does the spells for her]], with Dairine acting as the power source (sort of a training-wheels for wizards). After a long-range teleport renders her nauseous, [[PowersAsPrograms she opens up the source code for the teleportation spell]], determined to improve it... only to find that it's highly complex, dealing with all the things that are needed to keep a human alive when teleporting over long distance. She wisely decides to leave it alone until she has a lot more experience.

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* Addressed for {{teleportation}} in the third ''Literature/YoungWizards'' novel, ''High Wizardry''. When Dairine first becomes a wizard [[PowersAsPrograms she gets a computer which does the spells for her]], with Dairine acting as the power source (sort of a training-wheels for wizards). After a long-range teleport renders her nauseous, [[PowersAsPrograms she opens up the source code for the teleportation spell]], determined to improve it... only Only to find that it's highly complex, dealing with all the things that are needed to keep a human alive when teleporting over long distance. She wisely decides to leave it alone until she has a lot more experience.



* In the DaleBrown novel ''Fatal Terrain'', Jon Masters mentions that though the variable airframe on the Wolverine cruise missiles allows for incredible maneuverability, they have to be limited below what they can really do because pulling super high-G maneuvers causes the explosives to cook off or something and a super-maneuverable missile's a fat lot of good when it blows itself up before even reaching the target.

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* In the DaleBrown Creator/DaleBrown novel ''Fatal Terrain'', Jon Masters mentions that though the variable airframe on the Wolverine cruise missiles allows for incredible maneuverability, they have to be limited below what they can really do because pulling super high-G maneuvers causes the explosives to cook off or something and a super-maneuverable missile's a fat lot of good when it blows itself up before even reaching the target.



** Because the ability to eat all the food you want and not gain a pound is such a big downside... It ''is'' an actual problem once, when she is given standard prisoner rations for a length of time and halfway starves to death. So it's a ''serious'' problem then, but still-- it's once, in 13 novels and counting.
** The longevity-granting Prolong treatment comes with the drawback of extending all life periods--imagine the gawky teen phase lasting 20 years.

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** Because the ability to eat all the food you want and not gain a pound is such a big downside... It ''is'' an actual problem once, when she is given standard prisoner rations for a length of time and halfway starves to death. So it's a ''serious'' problem then, but still-- still -- it's once, in 13 novels and counting.
** The longevity-granting Prolong treatment comes with the drawback of extending all life periods--imagine periods -- imagine the gawky teen phase lasting 20 years.



** The series' version of a ReactionlessDrive is the "impeller", which generates gravity bands above and below the ship, allowing it to "surf" forward. However, an [[InertiaIsACruelMistress inertial compensator]] is required for the stupendous levels of acceleration to be survivable. The results of compensator failure are...[[ChunkySalsaRule not pleasant]].

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** The series' version of a ReactionlessDrive is the "impeller", which generates gravity bands above and below the ship, allowing it to "surf" forward. However, an [[InertiaIsACruelMistress inertial compensator]] is required for the stupendous levels of acceleration to be survivable. The results of compensator failure are...[[ChunkySalsaRule not pleasant]].pleasant.]]
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