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* HopeSpringsEternal: Weaponized by Dream. In "The Oldest Game", Lucifer becomes anti-life. After a pep talk with Matthew, Dream becomes hope, brightening Hell. Lucifer can't top that, as to overcome that, they are admitting they cannot return to Heaven.

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* HopeSpringsEternal: Weaponized by Dream. In "The Oldest Game", Lucifer becomes overcomes the universe Morpheus has become by becoming anti-life. After a pep talk with Matthew, Dream becomes hope, brightening Hell. Lucifer can't top that, as to overcome that, hope, they are admitting would have to admit they cannot return to Heaven.
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avoiding misinterpretation that it's his first move


** The extent of Dream's weakness without his tools is greater in the TV version. In his interaction with the mocking demon Squatterbloat, Dream telling him to mind his tone to the King of Dreams somewhat comes off as an empty threat, whereas in the comic Dream punctuates his warning by easily overpowering Squatterbloat and sending him flying, making it a legitimate case of BullyingADragon. In the comic, he's never seriously threatened during the Oldest Game and plays the winning move immediately, but in the TV version he almost gets destroyed and needs Mathew's support.
** Lucifer gets this to some extent by being the one who engages Dream in the oldest game and losing, rather than it being the demon Choronzon. Comic Lucifer Morningstar was never beaten by Dream in any fashion and merely annoyed Dream had got the better of hell.

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** The extent of Dream's weakness without his tools is greater in the TV version. In his interaction with the mocking demon Squatterbloat, Dream telling him to mind his tone to the King of Dreams somewhat comes off as an empty threat, whereas in the comic Dream punctuates his warning by easily overpowering Squatterbloat and sending him flying, making it a legitimate case of BullyingADragon. In the comic, he's never seriously threatened during the Oldest Game and plays the winning move immediately, without hesitation, but in the TV version he almost gets destroyed and needs Mathew's support.
** Lucifer gets this to some extent by being the one who engages Dream in the oldest game and losing, rather than it being the demon Choronzon. Comic Lucifer Morningstar was never beaten by Dream in any fashion and merely annoyed Dream had got the better of hell.Hell.
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* AdaptationalBackstoryChange: The ''Sandman'' comic is set in the DC Universe, co-existing with superheroes like the Justice League. John's backstory had him using the ruby to become a supervillain before being taken down by the Justice League and confined in Arkham Asylum. The TV series is set in something more like the real world, with no superheroes or supervillains, so John's backstory involves more generic "arson, murder, and general mayhem" and his confinement is in an unnamed institution in upstate New York.

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* AdaptationalBackstoryChange: The ''Sandman'' comic is set in the DC Universe, co-existing with superheroes like the Justice League. John's John Dee's backstory had him using the ruby to become a supervillain named Doctor Destiny before being taken down by the Justice League and confined in Arkham Asylum. The TV series is set in something more like the real world, with no superheroes or supervillains, so John's backstory involves more generic "arson, murder, and general mayhem" and his confinement is in an unnamed institution in upstate New York.
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* PragmaticAdaptation: The Helm in the comic was little more than a MacGuffin for Dream, giving him a reason to go to Hell and play The Oldest Game. No explanation was given as to what it did or why he needed it back, beyond the vague allusion to it being one of his tools of office. In the show, it has the power to locate the Ruby (and presumably could have done the same for the Pouch had Dream not already obtained it). This not only gives Dream's quest to retrieve the Helm more weight, since he is no longer chasing after a simple MacGuffin to seemingly no end, but it also gives him away to find The Ruby, since the Fates' answer about its location was much less useful than in the comic.[[note]]This was a copyright-induced necessity, since the Fates' in the comic directed him to the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica.[[/note]]

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* PragmaticAdaptation: The Helm in the comic was little more than a MacGuffin for Dream, giving him a reason to go to Hell and play The Oldest Game. No explanation was given as to what it did or why he needed it back, beyond the vague allusion to it being one of his tools of office. In the show, it has the power to locate the Ruby (and presumably could have done the same for the Pouch had Dream not already obtained it). This not only gives Dream's quest to retrieve the Helm more weight, since as he is no longer chasing after a simple MacGuffin to seemingly no end, but it also gives him away a way to find The Ruby, since the Fates' answer about its location was much less useful than in the comic.[[note]]This was a copyright-induced necessity, since the Fates' in the comic directed him to the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica.[[/note]]
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* PragmaticAdaptation: The Helm in the comic was little more than a MacGuffin for Dream, giving him a reason to go to Hell and play The Oldest Game. No explanation was given as to what it did or why he needed it back, beyond the vague allusion to it being one of his tools of office. In the show, it has the power to locate the Ruby (and presumably could have done the same for the Pouch had Dream not already obtained it). This not only gives Dream's quest to retrieve the Helm more weight, since he is no longer chasing after a simple MacGuffin to seemingly no end, but it also gives him away to find The Ruby, since the Fates' answer about its location was much less useful than in the comic.[[note]]This was a copyright-induced necessity, since the Fates' in the comic directed him to the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica.[[/note]]

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* HopeSpot: Dream recovers his helm which leads him straight to the ruby... but John's alteration causes it to reject him.

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** Rosemary gets the gas station attendant to call the police and even draw a gun to protect her from John Dee but he overhears and the Amulet of Protection kills the attendant, leaving her still at his mercy.
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Dream recovers his helm which leads him straight to the ruby... but John's alteration causes it to reject him.
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* CompositeCharacter: In the comic, Squatterbloat was just the gatekeeper, and another demon, Etrigan, leads Morpheus through Hell to the meeting with Lucifer. In the series Etrigan is adapted out (due to, like John Constantine before him, being [[ComicBook/{{Etrigan}} a character from the DC universe that presumably would cause rights issues) and Squatterbloat performs both duties.

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* CompositeCharacter: In the comic, Squatterbloat was just the gatekeeper, and another demon, Etrigan, leads Morpheus through Hell to the meeting with Lucifer. In the series Etrigan is adapted out (due to, like John Constantine before him, being [[ComicBook/{{Etrigan}} a character from the DC universe universe]] that presumably would cause rights issues) and Squatterbloat performs both duties.
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* CompositeCharacter: In the comic, Squatterbloat was just the gatekeeper, and another demon, Etrigan, leads Morpheus through Hell to the meeting with Lucifer. In the series Etrigan is adapted out (due to, like John Constantine before him, being [ComicBook/{{Etrigan}} a character from the DC universe that presumably would cause rights issues) and Squatterbloat performs both duties.

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* CompositeCharacter: In the comic, Squatterbloat was just the gatekeeper, and another demon, Etrigan, leads Morpheus through Hell to the meeting with Lucifer. In the series Etrigan is adapted out (due to, like John Constantine before him, being [ComicBook/{{Etrigan}} [[ComicBook/{{Etrigan}} a character from the DC universe that presumably would cause rights issues) and Squatterbloat performs both duties.
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* CompositeCharacter: In the comic, Squatterbloat was just the gatekeeper, and another demon, Etrigan, leads Morpheus through Hell to the meeting with Lucifer. In the series, Etrigan is adapted out and Squatterbloat performs both duties.

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* CompositeCharacter: In the comic, Squatterbloat was just the gatekeeper, and another demon, Etrigan, leads Morpheus through Hell to the meeting with Lucifer. In the series, series Etrigan is adapted out (due to, like John Constantine before him, being [ComicBook/{{Etrigan}} a character from the DC universe that presumably would cause rights issues) and Squatterbloat performs both duties.
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John, seeking the warehouse where the ruby is stored, gets a lift from a good Samaritan, who becomes increasingly worried the more she learns about her passenger.

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John, seeking the warehouse where the ruby is stored, gets a lift from a good Samaritan, samaritan, who becomes increasingly worried the more she learns about her passenger.
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** In the comic, the demon Mazikeen is basically missing one entire side of her head. In the series, her disfigurement is more superficial.

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** In the comic, the demon Mazikeen is basically missing one entire side of her head. In the series, half her disfigurement is more superficial.face has been burned off but she still retains an intact skull.
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* FallenAngel: Lucifer, as Morpheus reminds Matthew, was once among the greatest of the angels before falling, and still retains some of their angelic appearance.


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* HumanArchitectureHorror:
** The wall around Hell is constructed out of the merged bodies of some of the damned, who are still conscious and twitch and cry out when Morpheus strikes the gong to announce his arrival (using a striker handed to him by part of the wall).
** As Squatterbloat leads Morpheus through Hell, they pass through a forest where more groaning and twitching bodies are merged horrifyingly with the trees.


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* SecretOtherFamily: When John and Rosemary are bonding over having awful family members, Rosemary says that after she'd been married to her husband ten years and had two daughters with him, she found out that he had another wife and another child in another town.
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* AdaptationalWimp:
** The extent of Dream's weakness without his tools is greater in the TV version. In his interaction with the mocking demon Squatterbloat, Dream telling him to mind his tone to the King of Dreams somewhat comes off as an empty threat, whereas in the comic Dream punctuates his warning by easily overpowering Squatterbloat and sending him flying, making it a legitimate case of BullyingADragon. In the comic, he's never seriously threatened during the Oldest Game and plays the winning move immediately, but in the TV version he almost gets destroyed and needs Mathew's support.
** Lucifer gets this to some extent by being the one who engages Dream in the oldest game and losing, rather than it being the demon Choronzon. Comic Lucifer Morningstar was never beaten by Dream in any fashion and merely annoyed Dream had got the better of hell.


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* OhCrap: When Rosemary gives a ride to John Dee, she at first thinks he's a charming, harmless eccentric... until he starts casually describing the murders he's committed. Her facial expression clearly shows the dawning recognition of what she's got herself into.
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* BloodyBowelsOfHell: The bodies of the damned make up much of Hell's landscape.
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* HopeSpringsEternal: Weaponized by Dream. In "The Oldest Game", Lucifer becomes anti-life. After a pep talk with Matthew, Dream becomes hope, brightening Hell. Lucifer can't think of anything to top that.

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* HopeSpringsEternal: Weaponized by Dream. In "The Oldest Game", Lucifer becomes anti-life. After a pep talk with Matthew, Dream becomes hope, brightening Hell. Lucifer can't think of anything to top that.that, as to overcome that, they are admitting they cannot return to Heaven.
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* HopeSpringsEternal: Weaponized by Dream. In "The Oldest Game", Lucifer becomes anti-life. After a pep talk with Matthew, Dream becomes hope, brightening Hell. Lucifer can't think of anything to top that.
* IHaveManyNames: In the beginning, Dream states Hell is known by many names to mortals, such as Avernus, Tartarus, and Hades.
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Direwolf thing is jossed. I pulled the second one as it's even more incidental


* ActorAllusion: The first image Lucifer (played by Creator/GwendolineChristie) conjures up is a [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseStark direwolf]]. For that matter, when she conjures the nova, the aftermath ends with a blasted landscape while she flaps her demonic wings--not unlike the aftermath of [[Recap/GameOfThronesS7E4TheSpoilsOfWar Daenerys Targaryen's]] [[Recap/GameOfThronesS8E6TheIronThrone infamous rampages]].
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** Even hope itself is changed; instead of the abstract idea of hope, it is Matthew's specific hope out getting out of Hell in one piece.

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** Even hope itself is changed; instead of the abstract idea of hope, it is Matthew's specific hope out of getting out of Hell in one piece.
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* PetTheDog: John Dee spends the episode being ferried to his Ruby by a woman named Rosemary, who becomes more and more terrified as she realizes the confused man she's trying to help is actually a deranged murderer and tries to call the police on him. When they reach their destination and John obtains the Ruby, instead of punishing her for her betrayal, he gives her the Amulet of Protection, explaining that he understands she had done him a kindness and her moment of dishonesty was understandable given the context.


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* SummonBiggerFish: Attempted by Choronzon who nominates Lucifer to represent him in the duel against Dream.

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